Time for change...Goodbye, Coughlin

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Good lord

Those who talk about his discipline or attention to detail might as well work for ESPN, because those are media constructed descriptions not based in reality. His teams are more often than not ill prepared and definitely not disciplined, but capable of being really good in streaks. It was time to move on after last season, but they balked, and I have little doubt that will set us back an extra year. As for a replacement, who knows (David Shaw?), but sometimes uncertainty is better than getting exactly what you expect, which is the low-end of mediocrity.

Please give me a name of someone right now you want as head coach . TC is a great coach. He is not too old nor has the game passed him by. He is a motivator and administrator . We will no doubt make some changes on the staff if this season continues to go sideways. I feel things will trend up and we finish strong.

with 2003 being the only year he hasn't coached. Think about that, that is incredible. Belichick started his tenure with the Pats in 2000 after a long break since the Cleveland HC job. Reid has been coaching since 99, but Coughlin going from 95-present is just amazing,

I do think it's sad the disrespect this guy gets on the site and how many times fans want to push him out. Jet fans want Rex to stay and TC has given us two Super Bowls and relevancy just about every year here. Even last season when the team could have quit, they went 7-3 down the stretch.

Add Fewell. Reese and Ross. Time to redo coaching staff and front iffice

forever...

But the reality is the NFL is changing and although I don't believe the game is bypassing him I also know we aren't getting results.

I believe if the Giants don't make the playoffs he will retire. He won't want to put Mara in the position to have to fire him making Mara unpopular. He is 60 plus years old and I think he will walk away.

In comment 11930252 arcarsenal said:

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Same posts every year. They went away during the seasons immediately following the SB wins though.

Stil more to do with available talent...

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with 2003 being the only year he hasn't coached. Think about that, that is incredible. Belichick started his tenure with the Pats in 2000 after a long break since the Cleveland HC job. Reid has been coaching since 99, but Coughlin going from 95-present is just amazing, I do think it's sad the disrespect this guy gets on the site and how many times fans want to push him out. Jet fans want Rex to stay and TC has given us two Super Bowls and relevancy just about every year here. Even last season when the team could have quit, they went 7-3 down the stretch.

They stunk last year. 7-3 was a mirage against backup QBs and cost us a top 10 draft pick, but probably saved TC's job.

WTF does that even mean? So we can move on from the players that actually played in those SB victories, but we are permanently stuck with the coach? Yeah, that makes sense, he will coach us forever, get used to being blown out 6 times a season. Or we can acknowledge his previous success while at the same time recognizing his methods are no longer effective...you know, hold two thoughts at the same time, crazy.

not sure who you would bring in to replace him Eddie.

Fault but his.

Tommy is the true Teflon Don

But sometimes the culture of a team must change to bring success back.

This is that time for the Giants. A year too late in my opinion. They should have cleaned house last off-season and started fresh.

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He'll be given a chance to resign after speaking with Judy. Just like after last season when they told him KG was gone and gave him some time to thing about coming back. Remember Reese told the press TC was given some time to think about things.

I may be wrong, but "given a chance to resign" means "given a chance to renounce the $6.7 million the Giants owe him for 2015." That's a lot of money to give up for a little face-saving. And it's not a big favor to him.

:19 - short pass incomplete
:14 - run
Took a timeout
:04 run
Half

The laundry lost of add scenerios is adding up (start the game 3 into the line, last weeks bizzare challenge against Philly, etc).

In comment 11930252 arcarsenal said:

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tell me again about "knowledgeable" NY sports fans.

In comment 11930252 arcarsenal said:

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arc: TC will always be remembered for his 2 great SB runs. However there are glaring problems with this team that he is responsible for. I'd either promote him or retire him at the end of the year.

Bring in a younger D minded replacement that won't mind keeping McAdoo for at least a year.

the NFL is structured to penalize the successful teams and promote the "lesser" under the philosophy of parity. Keep that in mind when you criticize TC and Reese (it's quite alright to go after Quinns' head) in down years. Over the long haul I'll take TC and JR over most other mgt teams.
(I think TC had a lot to say in the hiring of BMc over Gilbride and that this was his way of changing with the times.)

In comment 11930241 SHO'NUFF said:

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and let him call it his way...Green Bay was never this committed to the run. Put the ball in Eli's hands and let Eli do what Eli does best.

This is our main offensive issue. WC offense sets up the run by using short passing game. Doesn't mean they don't run or have a commitment to it, but first downs where we run and gain nothing puts us behind from the get go and this is because Coughlin demands the offense to force the run all the dam time. It's not his philosophy to use the short game to do so. That's the issue with out O right now. Take the handcuffs off the guy and let him do what he was brought in to do.

And ask what current Giants would start for them, maybe Beckham if he developes as expected, maybe Justin Pugh instead of Free or his replacement but who else...I have not seen this wide a disparity in offensive talent since the 70's...and outside of Beckham potentially who scares you on the Giants...

Defensively without injuries we may have better personnel than how we are performing but when you have to run the Will Demps and Fenner's out there in key situations you are asking for trouble.

This team lacks talent, change HC's if you will but there needs to be substantive change in the front office as well...no excuse for the lack of young talent on this roster.

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This team lacks talent, change HC's if you will but there needs to be substantive change in the front office as well...no excuse for the lack of young talent on this roster.

Dawg: I agree. Reese had 5 bad drafts in a row. It looks like he changed people or philosophy b/c it looks like 2013 & 2014 were good drafts. I'd keep Reese around.

The ship is in the process of turning into a better direction. McAdoo was a good hire.

The talent has to improve. Coaching incompetence is not an issue.

According to NFL.com,

Green Bay: Rushes: 175 Passes: 218 % of run plays: 44.5
NY Giants: Rushes: 213 Passes: 230 % of run plays: 48.0

Not a huge difference. In a 60 play game it's a difference of choosing 3 more runs than passes.

Today it probably should have been 70/30 in favor of pass.

vs the Packers being up and running out the clock?

A new head coach. At this point why keep him. It's not his offense anymore. And Fewell's D has hardly impressive at this point.

In comment 11930481 BigBlueDownTheShore said:

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In comment 11930241 SHO'NUFF said: Quote: and let him call it his way...Green Bay was never this committed to the run. Put the ball in Eli's hands and let Eli do what Eli does best. This is our main offensive issue. WC offense sets up the run by using short passing game. Doesn't mean they don't run or have a commitment to it, but first downs where we run and gain nothing puts us behind from the get go and this is because Coughlin demands the offense to force the run all the dam time. It's not his philosophy to use the short game to do so. That's the issue with out O right now. Take the handcuffs off the guy and let him do what he was brought in to do.

that's fucking bullshit. MacAdoo calls his own plays. If you think TC is calling his plays you're a dumbass.People talk shit about "Let MacAdoo run his own offense" as if he fucking had one. He was a TE coach, not an OC, he came here with some plays out of someone else's playbook, threw in a few of his own and TC gave him some and they came up with a paybook. wasn't a case of a tyrant dictatiing an offense, was a case of an established HC giving a noob an opportunity and a helping hand in a position he's never done before at ANY level.You people are high. It's sad.

What's FAR more likely is TC told his fucking Noob OC "To beat Dallas you need to establish the run" and it's quite fitting for an HC to do that and establish a general approach. That the guy doesn't have werewithal to change his approach and adapt is on him, he should or could have made adjustments, don't blame TC for MacAdoos shit. People need to own their own shit, and if MacAdoo doesn't own his then he sucks anyway.

I think TC has done a good job adapting. But at age 68, there is only so much you can change.

If this pass-dominated era was just a fad, I'd trust Coughlin. But if it is here to stay, I fear TC just may not the best guy . I think he still does a good job but this type of football is just not his forte

just influencing them...you just said it yourself.

I see the problem as being mostly the D.

And with a few players excepted like JPP. I just don't see a lot of talent out there..
On paper sure, great players with history behind them.
Now this season….not so much. Ham and eggers. A four man rush that can't mount a push, just standing around. I can't blame that on the HC.

Maybe he does need to go, if he wants. But I think with the current cast any coach would have a problem,

Just me I know I am a minority..

Giants fans, who believe they are so close to the team, have a direct opposite opinion of those in the league when it comes to perceptions.

Talk to front office guys, scouts and assistants and they all speak very highly of TC. His reputation is stellar. Only on BBI do people think he's done or the league has passed him by.

In the same vein, you see the training staff looked at as incompetent here, yet among their peers, they are considered one of, if not, the top organization.

You know what the secret is that most NFL insiders will tell you? 75% of the teams are average, fluid masses, with that group being able to go anywhere from 12-4 to 4-12 with just a couple of positive or negative twists and turns. The Giants are looked at as part of that group.

Fans think they are so close to the pulse of things because they watch the games, but so many really have no clue what perceptions are on the inside, what reputations are and etc.

They look at things in a vacuum. "The Giants are the only team who suck at 3rd down conversions" or something like that, while Washington had converted only ONE 3rd down of 3rd and 10 or more going into yesterday. It is a vacuum that seems to suck the sense out of so many comments.

Super Bowls. He did it without all the pieces in place last time. It's not like he had a stroke and suddenly forgot how to coach. He doesn't have the horses right now. Subpar drafts and more prominently, bad injury issues have left this team with a talent deficit compared with other teams. Pretty simple.

In comment 11930876 Crispino said:

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Super Bowls. He did it without all the pieces in place last time. It's not like he had a stroke and suddenly forgot how to coach. He doesn't have the horses right now. Subpar drafts and more prominently, bad injury issues have left this team with a talent deficit compared with other teams. Pretty simple.

Over the last 8 or so years we are the most successful team in the league and over the last 5 (4 of which we missed playoffs) we've still been a top 10 team over those last 5 years...Other than the 0-6 start we've never been bad since Eli's rookie season... Thats a long sustained run... People need to calm down the team we lost to on the road smacked the Superbowl champions in their house..(score looked a lot closer than the actual game) with out injuries we couldn't have done much better.. When the talent improves we'll beat dallas in dallas once again... After the last 2 drafts I am willing to give Reese another draft as well... Also there aren't any better coaches just sitting out there..

On an almost every week basis, there's virtually no pass rush or pressure generated, the LBs stink, injuries and poor personnel decisions have weakened the secondary, and we know that Fewell will often get outcoached and make strange deployment decisions.

The offense is a work in progress; the OL lacks some talent, the system is new and the OC is a playcalling rookie in the NFL demonstrating some growing pains.

The team as a whole repeats fundamental mistakes and mental errors, which several players kept repeating last night in post-game. FIX IT! It's about focus, attention to detail, mental preparation on the little things and firing out of the locker room ready to play.

I guess Fewell still thinks that Kiwanuka can play in this league when it is pretty clear (for a number of years) that he is toast.

We can't get home with 4, so QBs have all day, and that allows the wide receivers to run around our banged up secondary and Quintin Demps.

It doesn't look like Williams is ready for a starting role. The OL isn't as good as it looked at it's best. There's a depth problem at RB, S, and a rash of injuries at CB.

that is why his defense was so good in 2010 because we were able to generate a pass rush that allowed the system to work properly. Before our run in 2011, we couldn't get a pass rush and that is why we were 31st in defense. The last two years in more of the same. We don't even try to blitz and go man to man. Last year, our defense just feasted off of bad and backup qbs, when we played real qbs, like Romo and Rivers we got toasted.

Reece fucks the team up and some idiots want to get rid of the best thing this team has going for it..TC.

Ridiculous!

guys were in position most of the game they just failed to make plays. Fenner falling down, Demps not even making a play on the ball for the 2nd Escobar TD. Demps missing the sack.

Bryant really hurt them yesterday. and yes, the LBs are invisible. Williams is an over-sized safety - I see no indication he can be their will long term, and there is no other alternative on this team.

My question would be, who could you realistically expect to get that would be an improvement?

I'll hold my laughter until a response is given.

Talent is Starting with the O-line . Its been
a Hodgepodge of Free Agents and Projects .
Not One Single one is Pro Bowl Material or
dominate consistently enough to move the line of
scrimmage.
Williams is still a rookie and needs space to run
hardly shifty .as is the rest of our RB's .
We need a 3rd down back .
Donnell is starting to develope but had a bad game
with two fumbles .
Why can't Moore Beat out Kiwi who has never been an impact
player . Tuck was still a better option .
There is ZERO pass rush we lack an impact linebacker
it was obvious what a Guy Like Beason Brings to the
team but he has a lot of tread on the Tires .
We let are best safety go in Will Hill for smoking a lil weed Ok One thinks he deserves it . Rolle is still playing
good but for how much longer .
Special Teams are tragic in all phases .
Were a 500 Team and thats even a stretch .

with mental deficiencies who post in unrhymed limericks or extra long haikus?

If so, Japan isn't as smart as I once thought.

Its some ass wipe with nothing better to do .
Something you don.t agree with say it or just
go back to your ditch your digging.

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My question would be, who could you realistically expect to get that would be an improvement? I'll hold my laughter until a response is given.

So you'd find missing the playoffs 5 out of the last 6 seasons to be acceptable? Nothing to do with the coaching?

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My question would be, who could you realistically expect to get that would be an improvement? I'll hold my laughter until a response is given.

If the Giants don't turn things around, that will be 3 consecutive seasons without a playoff berth. The Giants can get anyone to do that.

I had no idea who would replace KG after last season, but he still needed to go. And Eli has been much better than he was at any point over the last year and a half. Just like everyone else in the NFL, Coughlin needs to produce results or he needs to go. Fear of the unknown isn't a good enough reason to keep him.

That the Giants have a talent problem.

I'm also not against keeping coach Coughlin and letting him retire on his terms.

I'm just really upset that this team is so inconsisent the last couple of years. And the same issues arise week in and week out.

For the record, I'm not someone who has been ready to push Coughlin out the door after every loss.