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My view of the Giants so far

A1022 : 10/19/2014 8:30 pm
I don't see this loss as a season ender. I didn't think this team could overcome the losses we've had to IR. But we fought the boy's to the end, and turnovers doomed us. I think this defense is good enough to keep us competitive, but our offense scares me more. Without Cruz, Eli seems very hesitant with his throws. Eli and the O-line actually had a good game tonight. But the difference to me was Williams vision. The reason he lasted until the 4th rnd was simply because he doesn't possess NFL RB vision. Their were plays for him to make but his lack of vision caused us a lot of 3rd and longs. I know this season isn't lost, but too many injuries to star players has to take it's toll in the long run.
If the difference in a loss to the division leaders  
81_Great_Dane : 10/19/2014 8:38 pm : link
is the play of a rookie 4th-round RB, then that's not really the difference at all.
I don't think this loss in and of itself is a season ender.  
Vin_Cuccs : 10/19/2014 8:41 pm : link
But paired with the embarrassment in Philadelphia last week and the fact that their next 4 games are vs. Indianapolis, @ Seattle, vs. San Francisco, and vs. Dallas the season is essentially over.

This team would be EXTREMELY lucky to go 1-3 in their next 4 games.

Even if the miraculous happens and they split and go 2-2 in the next 4, that puts their record at 5-6.

Dallas and Philadelphia will both be well out of reach at that point.
Not a season ender but a plunge into mediocrity  
Jupiter : 10/19/2014 8:43 pm : link
Still hoping for 8-8 or 9-7 but they aren't playoff bound.

With Jennings and Schwartz back after the bye, I want to see what this team can do - even without Cruz.
I actually think Williams has good vision . . . .  
TC : 10/19/2014 8:48 pm : link
and much better quickness and speed than he is credited with having. For some reason, most seem to want to define him as stereotypical plodding power RB, and he isn't.

As I wrote below, the problem isn't that he doesn't see what's happening, he doesn't seem to know what to do when the play is not well blocked at the POA.
All hope was lost after last week  
Dave in PA : 10/19/2014 8:51 pm : link
That utterly embarrassing crush job paired with Cruz going down was the end. This team is barely medico if at all. 6-10 maybe 7-9 if they start playing really well.
reality bites sometimes  
micky : 10/19/2014 8:54 pm : link
they are a rebuilding team this year. They'll get a few more W's here or there, but, basically they are building for a few years from now.
RE: reality bites sometimes  
Dave in PA : 10/19/2014 8:58 pm : link
In comment 11930324 micky said:
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they are a rebuilding team this year. They'll get a few more W's here or there, but, basically they are building for a few years from now.


If only Eli was 26 years old again
Last week was ugly, this week was expected.  
CT Charlie : 10/19/2014 8:58 pm : link
But we were never destined for a good year this year. Next year? Better O-line, better LBs, and we'll be competitive.
William's has all the physical gifts  
A1022 : 10/19/2014 8:59 pm : link
But the difference between him and Jennings is he doesn't have the vision to make plays for our offense. But I will say that pro is better than I imagined at this stage of his career
How is  
SoZKillA : 10/19/2014 9:11 pm : link
Eli hesitant ? He looked fine today.

He has no real #1 WR, a Jekyell and Hyde TE, a bad OLIne, no running game and he still has 14 TDs, and almost 70% completion percentage.
The season  
Gmen in 2012 : 10/19/2014 9:11 pm : link
Is over I don't want to hear different. Colts. Seahawks 49ers cowboys come thanksgiving we are a 3-8 football team book it.
My take on the Giants  
OldPolack : 10/19/2014 9:47 pm : link
Good - Possibly the defense with a new DC, and this years picks
Bad - OL, TE,
Ugly - Front Office, DC, OC
As a Giant Fan for over 63 years I hope the Organization can make a turnaround.
This is starting to look like a repeat of the late 60's and the 70's.
If this was a Public Company I would buy Put Options.

RE: I actually think Williams has good vision . . . .  
dpinzow : 10/19/2014 9:50 pm : link
In comment 11930305 TC said:
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and much better quickness and speed than he is credited with having. For some reason, most seem to want to define him as stereotypical plodding power RB, and he isn't.

As I wrote below, the problem isn't that he doesn't see what's happening, he doesn't seem to know what to do when the play is not well blocked at the POA.


Williams' vision needs a lot of work at the NFL level. He just needs more experience and that will happen.

As fir the OP I'm more concerned about the defense than the offense, which didn't do too badly without Cruz and Jennings (MAJOR losses). Look at our WRs and TEs and we really don't have anybody elite aside from OBJ and he's a rookie
We got stuffed at the LOS today  
George : 10/19/2014 9:56 pm : link
That can't be on Williams. I thought he played well when he wasn't getting pancaked in the backfield.

Jim Brown would've gotten creamed out there today.

May the Schwartz be with us.

were ar enot spongeworthy  
JAKK777 : 10/19/2014 10:01 pm : link
as Elaine Bennes would say LOL
williams has no hips  
JAKK777 : 10/19/2014 10:02 pm : link
he cannot cut back
Seeing as how he  
George : 10/19/2014 10:14 pm : link
got into the defensive backfield exactly once today, I find your analysis suspect. It's hard to cut back when you've got three defensive linemen draped all over you.
RE: I actually think Williams has good vision . . . .  
damdevs : 10/19/2014 10:46 pm : link
In comment 11930305 TC said:
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and much better quickness and speed than he is credited with having. For some reason, most seem to want to define him as stereotypical plodding power RB, and he isn't.

As I wrote below, the problem isn't that he doesn't see what's happening, he doesn't seem to know what to do when the play is not well blocked at the POA.
Williams not only lacks vision but what a majority of you guys don't see is that he severely lacks ability to move side too side.

There's a reason why you see him hit the hole when it's there, he looks fantastic, but when he needs to move laterally without missing a step he can't do it.
Offense  
Dragon : 10/20/2014 1:27 am : link
Earl Campbell could not have made much yards behind this line tonight also, why Dallas could not stop the run until tonight. Williams is a rookie who was expected to complement Jennings not be the starter. He is learning everything on the field why because he is our best HB now that Jennings is hurt. Hillis is a 3rd/4th back being asked to become a 2nd back, Cox only returns kicks and lacks breakaway speed. He will never be much of a HB in the NFL but he seems not to fumble the ball which is a plus to this point. We need a speed back to bring fear into the defense at this point we just don't have one.

Our play calling leaves much to be desired it's so dull I can't believe we called another running play after a no gain once again how many times. Eli was good but this was a game he needed to be special like Romo was for his team in the second half. At WR we have two RR and OBJ the rest are camp bodies we have no game changing speed at WR presently. Everybody wants to say OBJ can do that but it looks like he is going to become our slot guy this year no other options presently. Washington was needed in the red zone but was inactive for someone signed midweek can't understand that at all. If he is that bad lets get someone on the roster that can produce or make teams respect his speed. JJ has become a comeback route guy only strange other teams WR's are lighting us up deep or short with ease. It was a big game for our receiving guys and for the most part they exceeded expectations but the lack of special speed kills us.

Our OL well gentlemen you need to be sent to the woodshed and beaten badly so that they can wake the hell up. They are guessing and not performing because they are truly unprepared and it shows. Blocking is about being more physical than the guy across from you not trying to react to the guy when he is buy you. I will say this they play much better when we have the up tempo game going but the dumb mistakes are killers. It's become a mental thing for them since Philly but they were much better tonight than last week. If Pugh is hurt then get him well it's not like he is playing very well right now.

The biggest problem for this team on offense right now is the lack of speed at WR and HB. We have a bye this week if we bring the same guys back after the bye its going to be a very long season with little hope.
Three things  
blueblood'11 : 10/20/2014 8:48 am : link
Turnovers are killing this team. The offensive line is so inconsistent it's getting to point it's almost laughable. Almost like a weekend golfer. One good shot one bad shot.

Lastl but not least, to say the defense is good enough to keep them competitive at this point is a major stretch. As long as Perry Fewell is the DC this defense will always find a way to blow a coverage, give up third and long conversions, and play undisciplned football at the line of scrimmage. Oh, and take your best defensive lineman at this point, Hankins, off the field on third down in possible passing situations.

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