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The "WEST COAST" Offense is offensive to me

JAKK777 : 10/20/2014 9:21 am
I knew eventually the teams would start stacking the box and shut it right down

Eli is not mobile enough to "Buy time" to make the WC Offense work....He's no Tony Romo, or Johnny Football, or Joe Montana
or even Arron Rogers

If you really really want the WC Offense you need to play a mobile QB- we have one right on our bench

I never thought I would say this but unless we go back to the
play action offense Eli should take a seat
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So we want a QB  
dep026 : 10/20/2014 9:44 am : link
change the game after he throws for 250 yards and 3 TDs?

Totally makes sense. Thank god Bossman contributed to this thread. Gives the OP someone to share their rattles with.
Yea...  
Modus Operandi : 10/20/2014 9:46 am : link
That Joe Montana guy was like a speed demon.
Eli suxity  
Modus Operandi : 10/20/2014 9:49 am : link


- Arron Rogers
This is very cute.  
rsjem1979 : 10/20/2014 9:49 am : link
Let's scrap the offense OR bench Eli for Ryan Nassib because the offensive line had a bad game in Philly last week.

Pretty fancy thinkin' for a dullard.
you are confusing ellusiveness with speed  
JAKK777 : 10/20/2014 9:49 am : link
Eli stands there like a statue

Reminds me of our old QB "Lurch" Collins

Eli cannot even spin out of the way.....he has 2 left feet
No one is confusing anything other than you mistaking BBI for  
Riggies : 10/20/2014 9:51 am : link
Giants.com, a place for which you will surely be much better suited.
and what do you have to say about the topic  
JAKK777 : 10/20/2014 9:54 am : link
is where I post your main concern? Don't read them

There is no law saying you must contribute nothing to this topic
RE: and what do you have to say about the topic  
dep026 : 10/20/2014 9:58 am : link
In comment 11931173 JAKK777 said:
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is where I post your main concern? Don't read them

There is no law saying you must contribute nothing to this topic


There should be a law for starting moronic topics.
Our statue-like QB  
Modus Operandi : 10/20/2014 9:59 am : link
Has more Super Bowl victories than Tony Romo and Johnny Football. Not sure how many Arron Rogers has.
RE: No one is confusing anything other than you mistaking BBI for  
JAKK777 : 10/20/2014 10:01 am : link
In comment 11931163 Riggies said:
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Giants.com, a place for which you will surely be much better suited.

Since you want to switch topics so bad I will too

Bought my 1st BMW Saturday.....325i loaded
I have such a permanent smile on my face I could care less if we lost yesterday......For me this season is now about entertainment, coming up with ideas to fix the team, and hoping Tom is finally put to Pasture for Saban, the Chin, or Harbaugh......we need a reall Testosterone injection at the top
RE: I'll set  
armsteadeatslittlekids : 10/20/2014 10:02 am : link
In comment 11931064 dorgan said:
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the over/under at noon for your participation on this forum.


Given Eric's reply I'd say 2-3 months.
Supports my assertion that all  
Modus Operandi : 10/20/2014 10:02 am : link
325/328 drivers are douches.
RE: JAKK777  
JAKK777 : 10/20/2014 10:07 am : link
In comment 11931087 Eric from BBI said:
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Actually, surprisingly, Eli seems to be doing quite well in the system. I didn't expect it to suit him, and I certainly didn't expect him to adjust to it so quickly.

Don't confuse getting whipped at the line of scrimmage for a failure in the system.


Thanks for having me here Eric
I was hoping this was a troll free environment,(I must admit that was wishfull thinking) but at least we seem to have an Admin who wants to talk football and not be a little Napoleon like Roanoke....talk about being a "company man".....they must have his picture in the encyclopedia under that topic....his new game is closing all topics he disagrees with...sad
JAKK777  
FJ : 10/20/2014 10:19 am : link
The intent of this offense is to get the ball out of Eli's hands quicker so that he doesn't need to "buy time", so you're completely missing the point. The problem is that the Giants are insisting on trying to establish the run and with Jennings hurt and the O-line regressing the past two weeks, we haven't been able to do that. If we are dead set on running the ball, even with Jennings out, it looks like we either need to use more TE/FB power formations, or we need to spread out and use a quicker RB (Cox ?). Otherwise, we can continue to use 1-RB, 3-WR as our base offense but should throw a lot of quick slants in place of running the ball, a la Joe Montana's west coast offense from the 80s.
you cannot "get the ball out quick"  
JAKK777 : 10/20/2014 10:23 am : link
into a stacked blitzing 9 man box

The Giants do need to make adjustments but that means going back to play action, and screens, which this OC avoids like the plaugue
RE: you cannot  
FJ : 10/20/2014 10:26 am : link
In comment 11931250 JAKK777 said:
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into a stacked blitzing 9 man box

The Giants do need to make adjustments but that means going back to play action, and screens, which this OC avoids like the plaugue

Wrong. Throwing quick passes is the way to beat the blitz.
No offense  
Matt M. : 10/20/2014 10:29 am : link
but I don't think you know what a WCO is.
RE: RE: No one is confusing anything other than you mistaking BBI for  
Pork and Beans : 10/20/2014 10:32 am : link
In comment 11931192 JAKK777 said:
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In comment 11931163 Riggies said:


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Giants.com, a place for which you will surely be much better suited.


Since you want to switch topics so bad I will too

Bought my 1st BMW Saturday.....325i loaded
I have such a permanent smile on my face I could care less if we lost yesterday......For me this season is now about entertainment, coming up with ideas to fix the team, and hoping Tom is finally put to Pasture for Saban, the Chin, or Harbaugh......we need a reall Testosterone injection at the top


BBI just got pwned.
Screens and play-action?  
rsjem1979 : 10/20/2014 10:33 am : link
I don't think the Giants have run a successful screen pass since Tiki retired, and even those looked incredibly awkward with Eli throwing them.

And for play-action to work, you need to have a run game your opponent respects and an offensive line capable of selling it. If your center and right guard are immediately pushed 3 feet backwards, all the play-action fakes in the world aren't going to slow the rush down.
They ran plenty of screens with Ward at RB (he even led the NFC in YAC  
Riggies : 10/20/2014 10:35 am : link
one year) and, early in their careers, WR screens were both Nicks' and Manningham's bread and butter.

If you haven't seen them since Tiki, you missed about three years of football in there.
How many simos can you fit in a trailer?  
Ryan : 10/20/2014 10:36 am : link
No....I'm really asking because it seems like dozens.
Sorry JAKK777 but your post makes no sense. The WC is about  
Victor in CT : 10/20/2014 10:42 am : link
getting rid of the ball quickly, not scrambling to buy time.

And Eli isn't the problem, unless you think 21-33 for 248 and 3 TDs, no picks, all with no running game, 1 veteran WR and shitty interior pass pro is a bad game. Get a fucking clue.
JAKK and the SBlue46 guy  
mrvax : 10/20/2014 10:44 am : link
should be demoted to Giants.com. At least for a few months. Coach 'em up and bring them back here 1 at a time of they're ready.
Maybe you should eb demoted to  
JAKK777 : 10/20/2014 10:51 am : link
Cliff notes "Football for Dummies" and then come back and talk to "The king"

I have nailed the Giants score 4 games in a row now.....

I will give you my prediction for the next game we play later today
RE: you cannot  
Hades07 : 10/20/2014 10:53 am : link
In comment 11931250 JAKK777 said:
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into a stacked blitzing 9 man box
I will give you some advice, if you are serious about being a contributing member here, statements like this will not help you be taken seriously. It shows an obvious lack of understanding of football at even a basic level. There is nothing wrong with being a fan and having no understanding around here, people will cut you some slack if you admit your ignorance of the sport; in fact they will often help you understand more. It is when you act like you know what you are talking about when it is painfully obvious you don't that you will run into trouble around here.

Good luck, I hope that helped.
Without blocking  
Giants2012 : 10/20/2014 10:55 am : link
What offense works?
of course  
JAKK777 : 10/20/2014 10:58 am : link
Having Beason on the field waving them through at MLBer makes
my predictions infinitely easier but if he cannot go

I am still supremely confident in my abilities :-)
RE: Maybe you should eb demoted to  
Hades07 : 10/20/2014 10:59 am : link
In comment 11931371 JAKK777 said:
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Cliff notes "Football for Dummies" and then come back and talk to "The king"

I have nailed the Giants score 4 games in a row now.....

I will give you my prediction for the next game we play later today
Each football team only plays once per week (except bye weeks). Usually on Sundays(Thursday, Monday and the occasional Saturday will also have games). Later today there is a football game, but since the Giants played yesterday, they will not be playing later today.
Montana excelled in the West Coast O.  
Hap2K : 10/20/2014 11:02 am : link
And, I wouldn't consider him mobile, by any stretch.
RE: RE: you cannot  
JAKK777 : 10/20/2014 11:02 am : link
In comment 11931378 Hades07 said:
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In comment 11931250 JAKK777 said:


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into a stacked blitzing 9 man box

I will give you some advice, if you are serious about being a contributing member here, statements like this will not help you be taken seriously. It shows an obvious lack of understanding of football at even a basic level. There is nothing wrong with being a fan and having no understanding around here, people will cut you some slack if you admit your ignorance of the sport; in fact they will often help you understand more. It is when you act like you know what you are talking about when it is painfully obvious you don't that you will run into trouble around here.

Good luck, I hope that helped.


Again I have nailed the scores of the last 4 Giants games.....I know more about Giants football in my pinky toe than you in your entire body

If you think that is so easy and I do not know my football
Pick along with me and lets see who is more accurate....fair enough right

I will note your name and please put your prediction under that topic

Thanks for your co-operation, and the insipid insults

I will post our next opponent/game sore in another post this afternoon after I have reviewed the results of said opponent
Hades 07  
JAKK777 : 10/20/2014 11:04 am : link
How appropriate.......born form Hell and not even a 007 LOL
This jakk guy  
Modus Operandi : 10/20/2014 11:18 am : link
Is like Ron in new Mexico v2.0.
just curious about the statement "or even Arron(sp) Rodgers"  
SHO'NUFF : 10/20/2014 12:05 pm : link
weird considering Rodgers is thrown in there as the least mobile of the QBs mentioned when in reality, he has wheels...
RE: just curious about the statement  
Modus Operandi : 10/20/2014 12:16 pm : link
In comment 11931600 SHO'NUFF said:
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weird considering Rodgers is thrown in there as the least mobile of the QBs mentioned when in reality, he has wheels...


Never mind misspelling both his first and last name. Quite a feat.
In theory  
natefit : 10/20/2014 12:45 pm : link
I get what the OP is saying. I too had this concern in pre-season and the first cpl games. But I felt Eli was smart and adaptable enough to flourish in this new O and I think he will continue to do so, the last cpl games not withstanding.
Don't confuse prognostication skills with football knowledge.  
Hades07 : 10/20/2014 12:51 pm : link
I didn't claim any particular football knowledge for myself. I know more than some less than others. All I was offering was some advice. If you felt that was insulting to you, so be it, I offer no apology for that. If you choose to ignore my advice, that is your prerogative. I hope you enjoy your time on this board. Unfortunately, I don't expect that you will.
West Coast, East Coast  
jLefty : 10/20/2014 12:51 pm : link
whatever. All I know is this getting the ball out faster resulted yesterday in short receptions. The longest one going for 17 Yards. When we got down toward looking like we might score, we had our elite QB hand off seven times to Williams who gained 11 yards on seven carries in the second half.Can't believe the play calling. Line plunge after line plunge. Even ran the ball on second and 19. Coach says we have to have balance. But Eli throwing the ball downfield is what the Giants are all about. Instead we kept running into the line. Like we didn't want to win. Just have balance.
I am actually quite happy......  
BillKo : 10/20/2014 1:00 pm : link
with the way the offense has responded so far this year, after an incredibly slow start in preseason and the first game.

Eli has thrown five interceptions.......and the really crazy thing is three have been on crazy tips. Another on a BS throw with zero time left that he shouldn't have thrown verus AZ and simply was lazy.

So, basically he has one legit pick this year. I also remember a ball versus WASH that he threw that probably should have been intercepted. Call it two.



RE: Don't confuse prognostication skills with football knowledge.  
JAKK777 : 10/20/2014 1:17 pm : link
In comment 11931703 Hades07 said:
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I didn't claim any particular football knowledge for myself. I know more than some less than others. All I was offering was some advice. If you felt that was insulting to you, so be it, I offer no apology for that. If you choose to ignore my advice, that is your prerogative. I hope you enjoy your time on this board. Unfortunately, I don't expect that you will.


Thanks for the advice....now stuff it LOL
RE: RE: JAKK777  
section125 : 10/20/2014 1:23 pm : link
In comment 11931101 JAKK777 said:
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In comment 11931087 Eric from BBI said:


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Actually, surprisingly, Eli seems to be doing quite well in the system. I didn't expect it to suit him, and I certainly didn't expect him to adjust to it so quickly.

Don't confuse getting whipped at the line of scrimmage for a failure in the system.



He WAS doing well til the enevitable box stacking started....he will take a hellacious pounding now

Its time to give or back up QB some playing time if you really really cannot live with out a stunted short game offense

Stacking the box has also completely shut down our Run game


Funny, Dallas never laid a hand on him yesterday. Too bad they forced the run.
Do we really have to deal with this dupe?  
montanagiant : 10/20/2014 1:24 pm : link
.
RE: How many simos can you fit in a trailer?  
BMac : 10/20/2014 1:30 pm : link
In comment 11931310 Ryan said:
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No....I'm really asking because it seems like dozens.


They can't afford a trailer. They spend all of their money and go into hock up to their eyeballs buying cars which they believe will give them a personality.
I guess Dallas being 9-14 on third down  
RobCarpenter : 10/20/2014 1:33 pm : link
had nothing to do with this loss?
RE: RE: you cannot  
JAKK777 : 10/20/2014 5:38 pm : link
In comment 11931378 Hades07 said:
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In comment 11931250 JAKK777 said:


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into a stacked blitzing 9 man box

I will give you some advice, if you are serious about being a contributing member here, statements like this will not help you be taken seriously. It shows an obvious lack of understanding of football at even a basic level. There is nothing wrong with being a fan and having no understanding around here, people will cut you some slack if you admit your ignorance of the sport; in fact they will often help you understand more. It is when you act like you know what you are talking about when it is painfully obvious you don't that you will run into trouble around here.

Good luck, I hope that helped.


Can I have some more "advice" I somehow stumbled through the whole workday without anymore of your "guidance" LOL
RE: RE: RE: you cannot  
Hades07 : 10/21/2014 9:58 am : link
In comment 11932548 JAKK777 said:
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Can I have some more "advice" I somehow stumbled through the whole workday without anymore of your "guidance" LOL
Yes you can. Don't procreate.
The problem is they're forcing the issue with the running game  
#10* : 10/21/2014 10:51 am : link
in Jennings absence. They're stubborn. They think any RB can do what he did and it's not true. They should have went to a quick strike pass offense which would have opened up the running game instead of the other way around.

The last two losses were on the coaches. Bad game plans on both sides of the ball. Perry's defense has gaps the size of the grand canyon & Quinn should move on after this year cause let's face it his unit(s) has never been good under him.
Hades07  
MadPlaid : 10/21/2014 11:16 am : link
Very good posts on this thread. Reasonable advise and tips. Unfortunately, they were wasted on an internet troll. Too bad.
RE: Hades07  
Hades07 : 10/21/2014 11:20 am : link
In comment 11933658 MadPlaid said:
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Very good posts on this thread. Reasonable advise and tips. Unfortunately, they were wasted on an internet troll. Too bad.
I figure there is no harm in trying.
RE: RE: Hades07  
MadPlaid : 10/21/2014 1:15 pm : link
In comment 11933666 Hades07 said:
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In comment 11933658 MadPlaid said:


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Very good posts on this thread. Reasonable advise and tips. Unfortunately, they were wasted on an internet troll. Too bad.

I figure there is no harm in trying.

True which speaks volumes about your character. Too bad the effort was spent on someone not worthy of it. Best
So you need  
Josh in the City : 10/21/2014 1:22 pm : link
a more mobile QB for an offense that relies on getting the ball out quicker and a slower QB for an offense that relies on staying in the pocket longer? Am I understanding your hypothesis correctly?!
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