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JPP is now Pierre...

Tark10 : 10/20/2014 9:30 am
JPP played like a crazed animal two years ago. All that did was get him hurt because he gave it 110%. It appears to me that he has "dialed it back" to prevent any substantial risk of further injury. If this is the "new" JPP, I hope they let him walk at the end of the year. The dude can still be a presence on the field, but he seems to be a shell of his former self. I'd like some comments on this observation.
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JPP's problem..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/20/2014 10:10 am : link
is inconsistency, and in the past year - for being slowed by injury. I'm not sure he will be worth the next contract, but he isn't some schlub never making an impact. He has also been mauled the past two weeks and still put up numbers better than the rest of the guys.
RE: I've been saying this for a couple years  
LPete : 10/20/2014 10:15 am : link
In comment 11931095 Go Terps said:
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JPP is not a guy we want to bring back.


It surprises me to hear you say that. How come ?
He's one of our best defenders, and appears to be regaining some form  
JonC : 10/20/2014 10:17 am : link
But, the question of his next contract is a valid one, given what franchise DEs are paid. It would not be wise to simply hand him market money, this team is full of holes and needs to be built better than recent teams under Reese's watch.
i think the real issue here is why is 94 starting  
MikeN in Ottawa : 10/20/2014 10:22 am : link
and not 98. Why is 94 even in uniform? He is invisible.

Hankins was awesome, I thought, when he wasn't in there, and without Jenkins, we were soft.

But Kiwi...c'mon man! Either he won't show up or he just can't anymore. A very disappointing player.
He just looks a better LE than right end to me  
RoadWarriorz : 10/20/2014 10:25 am : link
He seems to like he gives up on pass rushing too much. If his first move doesn't work, he just steps back and tries to bat down the ball but he doesn't even get any of those anymore cause I'm sure teams know his routine.

Maybe I was spoiled by Osi, but I would like my RE to be going after the passer every play. Not pick and choose when he wants to go all out, or just back up and get a bat down.
Sign Suh or resign JPP?  
Giants2012 : 10/20/2014 10:27 am : link
Forget the current roster including Bromley, Hankins, etc b/c the Giants forget the current roster on draft day and go BAP.

Which is worth the money?
Looked to me like the Cowboys  
PEEJ : 10/20/2014 10:27 am : link
ran right more successfully than left
You resign him  
oldutican : 10/20/2014 10:28 am : link
to a contract you think he is worth, which is a very good but not great player.
I think too mahy are getting caught up in sack totals  
Matt M. : 10/20/2014 10:28 am : link
He has been a force in almost every game this season. He is providing decent pressure and has been very dominant against the run. It is also odd to see the criticism given he is coming off a 2 sack game.

Weird timing for this thread  
Kyle in NY : 10/20/2014 10:30 am : link
I thought he had a very good all around game against maybe the best LT in the league. He's having a good season.
JPP held up better when they ran at his side  
JonC : 10/20/2014 10:32 am : link
and he was chasing down from the backside very well, which is another very good sign. But, he is definitely not consistently using double moves, and is giving up contain on the pass rush (though I have to re-watch to try and determine if the void was supposed to be filled by another defender or not, hard to say with certainty).
JPP played good yesterday  
Vin R : 10/20/2014 10:34 am : link
still hope they don't give him some huge contract in the off-season
Don't bring him back?  
B in ALB : 10/20/2014 10:35 am : link
Ok. So what do they do instead? Because their depth at that position sucks ass.

Love all the pontificating on bbi last night and today with absolutely no clue or ideas on how to fix the problems and move forward. Typical.
RE: You resign him  
mrvax : 10/20/2014 10:37 am : link
In comment 11931265 oldutican said:
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to a contract you think he is worth, which is a very good but not great player.


This is the correct answer. Also, JPP played very well yesterday. He's had a good season but the stats don't show it. I'd like to have him back at a reasonable price. I'm not too sure that another team would give him a monster deal.
I'm pretty sure that Offenses have to account for him  
Headhunter : 10/20/2014 10:41 am : link
every play. Is he what he was? No, is he still very good? IMO, yes. I hope
they work out a new contract
without JPP  
Daniel in MI : 10/20/2014 10:46 am : link
we are giving up runs all over the place. The guy has been very good getting down the line and making plays, or chasing guys down. He's also getting all the attention of blockers since I don't think teams are scheming to stop Kiwi...
What is really pissing me off  
Matt M. : 10/20/2014 10:48 am : link
is he is getting held an awful lot with no calls. On the Cowboys first TD, for example, replays show a handful of his jersey being pulled as he was getting past the LT. How do you not call that?
JPP was the only player on defense who played well  
dpinzow : 10/20/2014 10:51 am : link
2 sacks against Tyron Smith is a good day for anyone. The rest of the defensive line, including Hankins, played very poorly
JPP is gonna ask for huge cash  
Go Terps : 10/20/2014 10:52 am : link
And if the Giants give it to him we're all gonna be holding our breath waiting to hear if he's got a nagging injury or coming to camp out of shape, etc.

There is good reason, based on experience, not to trust him with a cornerstone contract.
RE: Don't bring him back?  
Giants2012 : 10/20/2014 10:53 am : link
In comment 11931304 B in ALB said:
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Ok. So what do they do instead? Because their depth at that position sucks ass.

Love all the pontificating on bbi last night and today with absolutely no clue or ideas on how to fix the problems and move forward. Typical.


Typical you. A person asks a question and you go bezerk. Regardless of your emotions, the question is legit going into the offseason with both JPP and Suh headed towards the open market. Looking for a full blown solution without answering the question indiactes you yourself have no idea what to do.
my 2 cents  
UConn4523 : 10/20/2014 10:57 am : link
is we have no idea of A) What JPP will demand, B) how healthy he will be at the end of the season, C) what are coaching/GM situation will look like next season, D) our end of season record, E,F,G,H,I....

There's just so much unknown outside of the games we watch each weekend. And if you came away from this game thinking JPP sucks, then you should probably stop watching football.

As for the stuff in my first paragraph, its beyond any of us which is why I don't bother arguing on those scenarios. No one knows and you are lying if you say you do. All of which, however, will effect contract talks.
You resign him but  
scott in albany : 10/20/2014 10:58 am : link
Don't break the bank doing it. If he wants to much let him walk. He seems to be injury prone, too much of a risk to sign him to a big contract.
RE: RE: Don't bring him back?  
B in ALB : 10/20/2014 11:06 am : link
In comment 11931377 Giants2012 said:
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In comment 11931304 B in ALB said:


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Ok. So what do they do instead? Because their depth at that position sucks ass.

Love all the pontificating on bbi last night and today with absolutely no clue or ideas on how to fix the problems and move forward. Typical.



Typical you. A person asks a question and you go bezerk. Regardless of your emotions, the question is legit going into the offseason with both JPP and Suh headed towards the open market. Looking for a full blown solution without answering the question indiactes you yourself have no idea what to do.


You're one of the worst posters this site has ever seen. And that's just fact pal. Feel free to ask around. Hell, start a thread about it and see what happens.

You resign JPP at a responsible level. If he is looking for Watt-level money or close you walk. And the Giants aren't going to open up the checkbook for a guy like Suh. Historically, theyve never done it and from a character standpoint he doesn't fit either. They'll look DE in the draft again and hope another year of Moore will pay dividends in 2015. I fully expect Fewell fine next year bringing a new dynamic to the defense as well.
fine = fired  
B in ALB : 10/20/2014 11:08 am : link
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#1 people can ask for anything they want  
Giants11 : 10/20/2014 11:10 am : link
doesn't mean they get it. Sure he can ask for Watt money, but there isn't a team in this league that will give it to him. #2 I seriously wonder what games some people around her watch sometimes. He has been our best defender this year, and it's not even really close, maybe besides Hankins. He probably won't be 2011 JPP again, but he still is pretty damn good. Of course within reason, but I'd definitely look to re-sign him.
RE: RE: RE: Don't bring him back?  
Giants2012 : 10/20/2014 11:13 am : link
In comment 11931420 B in ALB said:
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In comment 11931377 Giants2012 said:


You resign JPP at a responsible level. If he is looking for Watt-level money or close you walk. And the Giants aren't going to open up the checkbook for a guy like Suh. Historically, theyve never done it and from a character standpoint he doesn't fit either. They'll look DE in the draft again and hope another year of Moore will pay dividends in 2015. I fully expect Fewell fine next year bringing a new dynamic to the defense as well.


Clap Clap - that's how you answer a question. Save the rest of the worthless blah blah about your perceptions of me

JPP is not the monster he was 2011, but still a fairly good DE  
GloryDayz : 10/20/2014 11:13 am : link
The problem is there is very little pressure coming from Kiwi, DTs or even blitzes.

His sack number is down, but he's still rushing the QB often enough. His run defense is solid as well.

I wouldn't break the bank for him, but he's a priority IMO.
and its not like the NFL is asleep at the wheel  
UConn4523 : 10/20/2014 11:16 am : link
with JPP's history. He's gotta be offered a bigger contract to take it (one would think). Just saying don't pay him is an absolutely pointless comment.
IMO he is no longer an impact player  
SB : 10/20/2014 11:23 am : link
and is not worth big money.
two words:  
SHO'NUFF : 10/20/2014 11:52 am : link
contract year
He needs help...  
Pete in CO : 10/20/2014 12:04 pm : link
...Just about every good pass rusher needs a complementary guy. Even Von Miller had some difficulty after Elvis Dumervil left Denver. But now that he has another dependable rusher like Ware on the opposite side, he's able to be more visible.

As much as I love Kiwi, and like how Ayers has been a pleasant surprise... JPP needs more rush support. Watt is one of those guys who take over games, but having (a healthy) Clowney could make his career an epic one.

That being said, if JPP wants Watt $$$, he won't get it from the Giants, and then they'll really have no pass rush.
Man I really wonder what game some of you are watching  
BlueHurricane : 10/20/2014 12:05 pm : link
JPP is the LEAST of this teams problems.
Huh?  
Ron From NYC : 10/20/2014 12:46 pm : link
He brought it yesterday. I'm not seeing the guy mail it in like Hakeem Nicks did.

Need to keep him, wouldn't give him JD Watt money, but I'd pay him as a top flight DE. He's a good player, he's one of the few players on the team opposing teams need to game plan for.

I'd play him more at LDE as the season goes on and give Moore more reps at RDE. Kiwanuka is strictly a reserve at this point.
Even if you think he underachieves  
I'mRonBurgandy? : 10/20/2014 1:48 pm : link
he's still the best d end on our team. And it's not even close. Who are you gonna replace him with?
JPP  
EddieNYG : 10/20/2014 2:14 pm : link
Is a beast.

He had 2 sacks and 3 tackles for loss yesterday and gets held all the time. He is great against the run as well.

JPP may not be putting up the sacks he had in 2011, but he is back to playing at that level.

JPP is priority number 1 in the offseason and must be re-signed. I don't think he will get a huge contract, but he will be paid very well.
JPP  
bignygfan : 10/20/2014 2:32 pm : link
was a stud yesterday.

Give me that for 16 games and then give him his money.
He got shut down in Philly against one of the top LT's in the game  
David in LA : 10/20/2014 2:54 pm : link
I thought he rebounded nicely against Tyron Smith, who is right up there with Peters. I won't discount that there's a bit of a buyer beware with him since it is his contract year, but the timing of this thread is flat out retarded. He's been a monster against the run all season.
Timing of this thread could not be worse.  
Ace718 : 10/20/2014 2:56 pm : link
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How in the world  
KWALL : 10/20/2014 2:57 pm : link
do you watch that game yesterday and have any kind of knock on JPP?

He was outstanding in that game against an elite LT. Several impact plays vs pass and run.

Why should (and will) they resign JPP?

1. He's only 25!

2. He is one of the best front 7 run defenders in the NFL. He's a beast in this part of the game. For an example of this watch how he handled Smith on runs to his side. And then watch the first 2 plays of the last DAL series. Nobody is better vs the run at his position.

3. He's has tools to be a top pass rusher for many more years and these guys are not easy to find. The moves yesterday where he dips inside and then a strong outside rush we don't see enough of. He needs to do this a lot more because that is a very impressive move.

He has not developed new moves. At times he seems to stop the pass rush and look to knock down a pass way to early in the play. I'd like this to change and the coaches to answer for this.

I like they had him standing up on the RT yesterday. Lets see more of this. And move him inside over the C/G on occasion for a matchup advantage. He has excellent lateral quickness and length to make a strong inside pass rush.

JPP has stepped up this year. Letting him walk would be a huge mistake. They need to sign him and build around him.

if we had a competent DE  
spike : 10/20/2014 3:12 pm : link
opposite JPP, you will see a big difference.

Right now defense is keying on him , since Kiwi is a shadow of his former average self.
I don't think you break the bank for him, but  
Simms11 : 10/20/2014 3:26 pm : link
he is still one of the better 4-3 DES in the league. He's still young and very athletic. Who would you replace him with? With that said, he needs help on the line. There needs to be a better rush from the other side too. Moore has been ok, but also still a work in progreys and Kiwi is not the same player he was years ago. He's a big piece of this defense, but hasn't been able to take over games like Watt.
Explain to me again,  
Doomster : 10/20/2014 5:33 pm : link
how good Prince played yesterday?
RE: Explain to me again,  
HomerJones45 : 10/20/2014 6:09 pm : link
In comment 11932539 Doomster said:
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how good Prince played yesterday?
Exactly. Bryant abused him. JPP played well, but we desperately need Prince???
...  
christian : 10/20/2014 7:39 pm : link
Another year, another bitchfest against our good players. This is just like when the same usual suspects wanted Strahan to retire before 2007, didn't want to sign Jacobs, didn't want to make be active in resigning Bennett.
RE: he was the only defender with a pulse  
Great White Ghost : 10/20/2014 9:37 pm : link
In comment 11931109 hitdog42 said:
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yesterday-
wtf game were you watching?
we got no DT push... no LDE push... and he still got the only pressure and held up his end in terms of the run game.
he also got held all game.
I have no idea what you expect from him when the rest of the DL is horrible.

now I would NOT give him a huge contract but I would certainly view him as our best defender --- which is not something you just discard given how talent empty our squad is.
you're out of your mind. Hankins played a much better game.
I started this thread because..  
Tark10 : 10/21/2014 8:32 am : link
I wanted to hear from you guys. I agree JPP isn't what he was, but the comments regarding who and what is playing next to him are very valid as well. I'd like to see him resigned to a reasonable contract. I don't believe this will happen because there is always some team willing to take a chance and overpay for a guy. I wasn't basing my comments on one game. Jenkins may be out for a couple of weeks. Lets see who takes his place. AND why didn't Fewell move JPP around the line to find a soft spot? Thanks for the feedback.
JPP's PFF grade  
jeff57 : 10/21/2014 10:33 am : link
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PFF had Giants defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul with a +7.9 grade.

On their grading system, that's an off-the-charts mark. This is the second time this season Pierre-Paul has posted a grade in that range. He received a +9.1 in the Giants' Week 5 win over Atlanta and is the second-ranked 4-3 defensive end this season.


What is "reasonable"?  
KWALL : 10/21/2014 12:09 pm : link
JPP is a top 5 4-3 DE in the entire NFL and he's 25. He is not signing for "reasonable".

He's top 5 at his position with upside. Teams will line up to sign him if he keeps playing like he has all year.

Keep in mind, he was injured. He's healthier now. If the injury is not an issue the Giants would be crazy not to sign him for 5 more years.
About Prince  
KWALL : 10/21/2014 12:11 pm : link
I thought he played a pretty good game. On a couple of the crucial receptions he had excellent coverage. Romo made several accurate throws on these plays and Bryant made some tough catches.

JPP did save 7 points when Bryant beat Prince deep. He hit Romo. If he doesn't that's a TD.
JPP just looked damn  
area junc : 10/21/2014 12:15 pm : link
good against the best left tackle in the NFL. smith takes people out of games and last week was the first Offensive Linemen in 10 years to win an Offensive Player of the Week. jpp 2 sacks and ate his lunch in the run game
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