The key to our offensive success: Jennings

. Our oline is overrated, inclusive of wins against losing teams. The same issue from seasons past, in that we cannot beat upper tier competition.

Eli still did great yesterday, but Jennings put the offense over the edge, and Dallas fans were even saying to me yesterday at the game that Jennings could have been the key for a Giants win

that they can't run. AW was getting hit behind the line consistently. I don't see how Jennings changes that.

Jennings was much bigger than losing Cruz. I love how everyone thought since Williams finished strong against a crap Atlanta team.

Jennings is much more patient, a better blocker, and receiver than anyone we have. Not saying we would have won with him, but the offense is much better with him than Williams.

Losing Jennings hurt the team production more than Cruz but our O-Line does suck so even with Jennings back we'll have some problems running against the better Defenses we play.

Every WC system I have seen has a RB who can both catch and run the ball. He is Eli's outlet back when the play breaks down, the best screen back the Giants have and forces the other team's LB to respect the underneath routes and account for him. He also a very good blocker. None of the Giants other RBs have all these skills. As soon as he went out, the "offensive rhythm" stopped.

while it's easy for me to say while watching on TV, a few times yesterday it appeared to me that there was a hole for Williams, but he didn't see it and ran into a place there was no hole. Jennings seems to have better vision, besides the other things mentioned above.

the OL must perform better, it all begins with the lines and NYG is consistently getting whipped on both sides of the LOS.

didn't play that bad yesterday, except as usual - not much pressure form Kiwi's side.

In my view, it's the non existent LB corps - they just aren't that good.

Our best RB, who is also our 3rd down back and threat in the passing game is hindering our offense? Nah, can't be, it's all coaching, talent means nothing.

DL was ok, but virtually no pass rush yet again and the edges of the defense are often getting crushed (which falls on the LBs too, they're poor).

we were fucked(my word, not Eric's, he just called it a "killer.") without Jennings..Aside from blocking really well, he does so much more for this offense especially in keeping a D honest...

Cruz being gone is big, but we can adjust imo..The longer RJ stays out or not close to 100%, the longer our troubles will linger..These two weeks are really important

and there was some pressure, not much from the other side - makes me wonder why we don't see more of Moore?

which reduces confidence of the coaches.

If we get the Schwartz from KC, our OL should improve decently, as it would help both Walton and Pugh as well. If we get the Schwartz from this summer, I don't see it helping very much.

is it fair to ask - did you draft the wrong player or are they failing to develop him?

another 3rd rounder who they are afraid to play in his 2nd year?

has been reduced. Clearly, their choices from the second round on have declined under Ross' direction.

but was incorrect in thinking NYG would project him as I did to a 3-4 OLB. I suspect they think he's still learning and it takes a few years to grasp the full breadth of responsibilities at this level.

is the recurring theme of how complicated the defense is (or is not). I think Rolle or one of the veterans talked about the defense being more complicated than most. Additionally, I remember Tony Dungy citing simplicity as a benefit of his Cover 2 defense in an era of salary cap/free agency when players had to come in, get plugged and produce right away. And, players consistently repeat the phrase - simplicity = enables them to play faster.

My God - how dumb can the guy be that, even though desperate for pass rush pressure - he isn't a regular fixture on passing downs? Is this guy not going to able to get a significant amount of reps until his 3rd year - you cannot survive with 3rd round players taking 3 years to produce a return on your investment.

What did you see on film that bothered you?

I have been harping on this for 2 years. How is it for more than 2 seasons now we have repeatedly seen mis-communications in the secondary regardless of the personnel?

He frequently failed to properly set the edge, or consistently engage and anchor the POA, wasn't physical or instinctive in finding the football, didn't hustle. Really raw, a point and release straight line pass rusher who needed a lot of pro coaching and polish, and time in the weight room to pack on some lbs.

He has the frame to add to, and the condor length the Giants always look for in their edge rushers.

In the NFL, he's playing on the line more often with his hand in the dirt, so he's got to get used to not biting on the hard counts, not getting baited by his blocker, set the edge and contain the ball back to the middle, etc.

Sometimes I wonder about letting Waufle go and replacing him with Nunn. I just don't understand how JPP hasn't learned any technique in five years.

In comment 11932234 Greg from LI said:

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Sometimes I wonder about letting Waufle go and replacing him with Nunn. I just don't understand how JPP hasn't learned any technique in five years.

Why can't they let JPP use his backflipping technique to hop over to the QB?

In comment 11931799 Del Shofner said:

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while it's easy for me to say while watching on TV, a few times yesterday it appeared to me that there was a hole for Williams, but he didn't see it and ran into a place there was no hole. Jennings seems to have better vision, besides the other things mentioned above.

There is no question about Williams vision... he has none!!!

Looks like he goes straight to the gap drawn up for the the play even if there isnt an opening and misses wide open opportunities elsewhere.

But thats expected at this stage... vision will come with time & experience.

but is still day to day.

RV

Me either, but it needs to cease.

In comment 11931807 JonC said:

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the OL must perform better, it all begins with the lines and NYG is consistently getting whipped on both sides of the LOS.

OL is struggling but not having him there is making things harder for the OL too. Defenses arent worried about any dump off passes, a sharp cut by the RB, so they're just pinning their ears and going straight up the gut of the OL to Eli or even Williams/Hillis to tackle them for no gain or even a loss.

Even if Eli gets off the pass, or they miss tackle Williams/Hillis, they dont have the speed to make a big play.

With Jennings in the back field it makes defenses hesitate. Even if its just for a second, that could be the difference between 2nd & 10 or 2nd and 4-6 yards, or even better.

but watching them get thoroughly beaten by power, speed, etc the past two weeks tells me that unit needs to wake up.

counting on Jennings....he may or may not make it back this year....sprain, my ass.....sick and tired of these Giant doctors giving false hope......it's ok for Wilson to get back on the field....Beason doesn't need to be PUP'd.....Schwartz will be ok, it's only a toe......DRC? Get the duct tape out.......Jennings has a sprain, he'll be back better than ever....next man up....

Giants don't have a lot of "get it going" type options right now. Jennings has that, he can shake lose and get yards on his own running and catching. We aren't seeing a lot of easy yards. The only thing coming easy are the comebacks, which is great, but take a while to materialize.

It was going to take alot of luck to win either of those games without him.

was the most important player this year, and we rise and fall as ge does.If he comes back, and he plays well, I think some other things will sort themselves out.

Schwartz and Jennings back after the bye may cure what ails us.Manning will manage to find targets, he always does.The defense needs some adjustments, I'm not super conficent in them making the right ones, but I think the offense will unscrew itself and take some of the burden of the defense.Maybe with a slight reprieve they can get their shit together.

By the way. Our best back out means we struggle running. Anyone patting himself on the back by "knowing" that....well you're an idiot for thinking that makes you know something and those who disagree with that...Even stupider if that's possible. I hate to beat this drum to death but thinking all RBs are the same is essentially admitting how little you know about the position or the game.

Again, if you've never put on a helmet and played the game, I don't expect you get that automatically but those of you watching this team for 20, 30, 40 however many years and you either think you just discovered something brilliant or you're a tactician now....this team sucks and you all are starting to suck even more along with it.

There is a reason so many good people are gone and aren't coming back, this is a football idiots paradise where the elementary gets you put at the head of the class. I can't believe this is a) a topic that someone thinks needs discussing and that b) people disagree with this most basic premise of football.

seriously, go fuck yourself. 2 times

There was a thread before the season asked " who was going to make the biggest impact on offense this year". I said Jennings, and I saw VERY few others who did. Where were you if you're so smart? If it was conventional wisdon the RB , specifically Jennings,was the key to the offense then why wasn't everyone saying that? That's my point, that's what I said, that's what I see, that, and you're a douche, as always.Don't pretend like these forums were saying Jennings was what the season was gonna be all about. You heard TEs and short passing game,The OL, BecKham, manninfg cutting down on INTs, precious little focused on running game and Jennings. Screw you and your BS hindsight.

In comment 11934126 Joey in VA said:

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By the way. Our best back out means we struggle running. Anyone patting himself on the back by "knowing" that....well you're an idiot for thinking that makes you know something and those who disagree with that...Even stupider if that's possible. I hate to beat this drum to death but thinking all RBs are the same is essentially admitting how little you know about the position or the game. Again, if you've never put on a helmet and played the game, I don't expect you get that automatically but those of you watching this team for 20, 30, 40 however many years and you either think you just discovered something brilliant or you're a tactician now....this team sucks and you all are starting to suck even more along with it. There is a reason so many good people are gone and aren't coming back, this is a football idiots paradise where the elementary gets you put at the head of the class. I can't believe this is a) a topic that someone thinks needs discussing and that b) people disagree with this most basic premise of football.

To be clear, this isn't about "Knowing" the offense would struggle without Jennings, is about an Op who said Jennings is the KEY, the CRUX, the MOST IMPORTANT PLAYER, on the offense, in case you didn't understand that, and nothing in your vicous smarmy sarcastic pile of rubbish post indicated or acknowledged that. I didn't state the obvious,I went out on a limb, before the season started on a thread that aske who would be the most important players, and I picked Jennings. The thread had nothing to do with common sense about a team struggling if the RB went down, dope.Also, if it's common ssense, why didn't you take issue with all the other posters on the thread who disagreed with the premise, as opposed to one who did, long before the season started?If it's simply personal, and the tone and wording of your post indicates it is, let me once again suggest you go attempt to copulate with your own nasty self,while I pat myself on the back all I want.