sure how you can say that. They have the best OL in the NFL and the NFL's best running game. They have the three-headed monster at the skill positions.
Can Murrary carry the load the entire season without wearing down Â
they will grind to a halt. Romo can't carry that team, and the defense is doing better because the offense is controlling the clock, we moved the ball on them pretty well when we weren't ramming it into the line every play
...their play-calling was good. Romo was deadly accurate. Bryan made great plays. Played very maturely when things weren't going his way in the first half. Murray is for real, he consistently got yards after contact and has great vision.
sure how you can say that. They have the best OL in the NFL and the NFL's best running game. They have the three-headed monster at the skill positions.
They need Free back in the worst way. I thoguht their backup really struggled. Smith also wasnt anything to write home about. Plus, their defense stinks.
They will be in a lot of games with the ball control/run game. However, if something happens like it did against SF, I worry about them coming back. Whenever a team becomes 1-dimensional with a bad defense.... they are most likely going to be exposed.
Their OL is dominant, and that was without Free. Â
not if , but when demarco goes down
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they will grind to a halt. Romo can't carry that team, and the defense is doing better because the offense is controlling the clock, we moved the ball on them pretty well when we weren't ramming it into the line every play
This was true in the past when Romo had to become Mr. Playmaker every other play. That Oline is keeping him clean. I think this is the year they can go far with or without a running game.
sure how you can say that. They have the best OL in the NFL and the NFL's best running game. They have the three-headed monster at the skill positions.
That the thing, they can come at you so many ways....you can't double and commit to all their weapons.
Again, if Romo doesn't get hurt and doesn't self destruct, they should win the NFC East.
Playoffs....now that's another matter.
Was anyone too impressed with that 9-7 Giants team? Â
was supposed to be "historically bad" when they lost Sean Lee and the Giants could barely run the ball.
and although they had no sacks (right?) it seemed Eli was under constant pressure.
The OL kept Romo clean for the most part and other times he kept himself clean with his pocket presence and mobility and the OL opened up huge lanes for Murray.
they are built for success in the NFL. Are they immune to injury? Of course not. If Bryant or Romo get hurt like has happened before (many times) who knows what happens, but that's a well balanced team.
2) Every time I tell myself Demarco Murray is overrated, he proves me wrong
3) their defense is better than I expected to start the year- they had someone in our backfield every time Williams got a hand-off (has something to do with our off. line)
And a heck of a run defense. Their Achilles heel will be their pass defense, but I think that counts for most teams in the league.
You must have been watching a different game if you didn't see how effective their O-line is both pass and run blocking, Romo's ability to buy time and find guys 4, 5 seconds into a play, and Bryant destroying Prince (although Prince did well there was no guarding Bryant in the second half... he was that good). Great third down conversion percentage. This is a dominant offense.
Right now. With philly and green bay right behind. I don't think anyone can argue that.
If the Giants were 6-1, running the ball like that, had that OL and had those weapons at the skill positions this entire board would be doing back flips every morning.
I don't think you guys are answering Vin's question Â
do these guys look like one of the best teams in the NFL?
I'd have to say no, but they haven't faced a real test yet it seems. They do look good, and if they can keep it up they can go far, but they sure as hell aren't some unstoppable juggernaut.
Of course, that might just be how the NFL is these days, with parity and the salary cap, maybe that's as close to unstoppable as you can get.
Right now. With philly and green bay right behind. I don't think anyone can argue that.
If the Giants were 6-1, running the ball like that, had that OL and had those weapons at the skill positions this entire board would be doing back flips every morning.
I'd say GB, along with AZ, Seattle and San Fran. Not Philly.
San Fran and Seattle didn't look good yesterday, but don't fall asleep on them. San Fran needs to get healthier and will (Denver is a tough matchup for anyone)
I can't put Philly in the mix simply because what is their weak link: the QB.
but could only imagine if Jennings was in the lineup
Can he leap over Dallas lineman? Cause that's what he would have needed to do with the blocking yesterday. But his receiving out of the backfield was missed.
do these guys look like one of the best teams in the NFL?
I'd have to say no, but they haven't faced a real test yet it seems. They do look good, and if they can keep it up they can go far, but they sure as hell aren't some unstoppable juggernaut.
Of course, that might just be how the NFL is these days, with parity and the salary cap, maybe that's as close to unstoppable as you can get.
I keep hearing people talk about the best teams in the NFC, and they're the ones most likely to be accidentally omitted from the list.
I also wouldn't discount GB's resurgence either. SF it would appear is cooked.
Personally - not sure if it's just how we played against them, but I think Philly is the sleeping giant in the division (and I hate Philly more than Dallas so it pains me to admit it). I would be surprised to see Dallas beat Philly, no matter how awful everyone says Philly's defense is.
Very good team, should win 11+ games this season Â
It doesn't mean they'll win a playoff game, or the whole thing, but right now they're a very good team. They have a different vibe to them this season, including Garrett.
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do these guys look like one of the best teams in the NFL?
I'd have to say no, but they haven't faced a real test yet it seems. They do look good, and if they can keep it up they can go far, but they sure as hell aren't some unstoppable juggernaut.
Of course, that might just be how the NFL is these days, with parity and the salary cap, maybe that's as close to unstoppable as you can get.
Beating Seattle, in Seattle, isn't at test?
Seattle lost to the Rams yesterday. It's possible (too early to tell) that Seattle's cooked this year, as is often the cast post-SB victory. The Harvin situation didn't help matters either (apparently that flared up towards the end of the Dallas game).
Dallas can win the whole thing this year, especially if Peyton chokes again.
Actually, this a good point about schedules and "who have you beaten".
There's a lot of slop in the NFL......not many teams week in, week out are playing a great opponent. A few fall that way (like us the next five weeks!) but not many.
It's like the other week when Seattle and Denver both had byes, the TV schedule was hideous.
I keep hearing people talk about the best teams in the NFC, and they're the ones most likely to be accidentally omitted from the list.
I also wouldn't discount GB's resurgence either. SF it would appear is cooked.
Personally - not sure if it's just how we played against them, but I think Philly is the sleeping giant in the division (and I hate Philly more than Dallas so it pains me to admit it). I would be surprised to see Dallas beat Philly, no matter how awful everyone says Philly's defense is.
jcn, I feel the same way. I think Philly is the team to beat in the divison. They impressed me a lot more than Dallas. Arizona is another team to watchout for
Dez with a huge 2nd half.
Murray another big game.
And their Defense outplayed ours and it wasn't even close. They were supposed to be the worst defense in the league remember. I cam away saying that is a very, very solid team right now.
This has been mentioned by worth noting - Dallas has gone against the grain and developed a power team in a passing era. They are everything Coughlin wants to be.
They dominate upfront, draw the D in and then take smart shots. They are a lot like some of our teams that crushed it the last 7 years.
Dez with a huge 2nd half.
Murray another big game.
And their Defense outplayed ours and it wasn't even close. They were supposed to be the worst defense in the league remember. I cam away saying that is a very, very solid team right now.
Escobar had a total of 20 yards going into the game. He blows. Just because we make people look better than what they are, doesnt mean they are good.
I was impressed by their offensive line, Romo having eyes on the back of his head, Demarco Murray, Escobar, and Bryant. I was thoroughly impressed their defense is as good as it is with the talent they have. Although Durant, Spencer, Mcclain, and Carr aren't scrubs.
There were times in the game where Hankins looked to be on roller skates getting pushed downfield. Other than JPP and occasionally Hankins the line was handled with relative ease. Murray made guys miss and ran hard. Bryant and Escobar were catching and hanging onto balls even when covered very well. Romo was just Romo, he is good and can make rushers miss. Their defense makes teams work for yards and is good enough to not completely give games away (their offense always scores points and runs well).
I asked a few of my friends who are huge Cowboys fans Â
Can their no name defense play this way the entire season? They're also very hesitant on getting too high on this early in the season.. for good reason
Dez with a huge 2nd half.
Murray another big game.
And their Defense outplayed ours and it wasn't even close. They were supposed to be the worst defense in the league remember. I cam away saying that is a very, very solid team right now.
Escobar had a total of 20 yards going into the game. He blows. Just because we make people look better than what they are, doesnt mean they are good.
1) I think the biggest key to their success is the OL. If it continues to play like this, they have to be a favorite in the NFC.
2) Murray didn't come out of nowhere. He has always flashed his talent. He just has had trouble both staying healthy (nagging injuries) and holding on to the ball. This OL has made it easier for him to prevent both of these problems. He is also running smarter, not taking as many big hits.
3) I don't think their D is dominant.
4) Back to the OL, with their play, Romo is staying pretty clean, which makes Bryant a big threat. He also gets enough time for secondary and tertiary targets to get open after being initially covered.
this is a kneejerk reaction off of 1 game. They are 6-1 and beat a division rival (which always end up being close it seems).
Going from worst defense in the NFL to even just average should win them 12 or 13 games. Any Murray + that Line = less shots to Romo's back which is something I thought he'd have a problem with heading into this season.
their commitment to the run was amazing. It really opens things up when they need to pass. They finally figured out that even with all of his talent, they can't win having Romo throw it 30-35 times a week. He can be just too mistake prone at times. You find me a corner breathing in this league that can lock up Dez for 60 minutes, including big mouth in Seattle. Even mr. mouth was smart enough to keep his lip zipped about Bryant. Sure if Murray goes down it would be a blow, but with that O-line their back-ups would do fine. Their D can be exploited especially with a versatile running attack(which unfortunately we didn't have yesterday due to injury) and a team with an elite passing attack but Marienelli seems to be scheming pretty damn well.
is a trait our QB has. I think I remember 1 real Playoff game from Romo and games he gave away. The proof is in the pudding. Mr Regular season will get you a huge contract, but when it is all said and done, you need to win during the Money season or you will be remembered as a JAG
I keep hearing people talk about the best teams in the NFC, and they're the ones most likely to be accidentally omitted from the list.
I also wouldn't discount GB's resurgence either. SF it would appear is cooked.
Personally - not sure if it's just how we played against them, but I think Philly is the sleeping giant in the division (and I hate Philly more than Dallas so it pains me to admit it). I would be surprised to see Dallas beat Philly, no matter how awful everyone says Philly's defense is.
Don't you think Dallas is better across the board on offense on Philly? I also think Philly has defensive issues that are going to bite them versus good teams (as does Dallas).
I think Dallas has enough talent to ride this momentum and confidence into the playoffs. Then Romo will be under too much pressure to not play like Rome.
They have such a great o-line they can do whatever they want on offense. I think their D sucks but they are riding on the momentum and confidence earned by wins the offense produced.
I thought we gave them one of the toughest games they have faced all year.
and thumped by America's Team. We now get to play them at our place. Now I know home field hasn't been a real factor for the Giants, but they do have to come to East Rutherford,I'm curious how the Giants respond
We turned the ball over twice and kept shooting ourselves in the foot with dumb penalties and we still only lost by one TD playing in Dallas.
We got decent pressure on Romo even with JPP being mugged most plays. I really think the Division is up for grabs and if we pull our head out of our ass we could even make a run at the division.
They may be a good/great team, but I didn't get that impression from watching them yesterday.
We turned the ball over twice and kept shooting ourselves in the foot with dumb penalties and we still only lost by one TD playing in Dallas.
We got decent pressure on Romo even with JPP being mugged most plays. I really think the Division is up for grabs and if we pull our head out of our ass we could even make a run at the division.
They may be a good/great team, but I didn't get that impression from watching them yesterday.
I'm with ya JOrth! Let's get Jennings & DRC healthy and see what they can do
I would make them a SB contender...
they don't really have one, so I leave them as a good playoff team that can advance but defensively has too many holes.
they are impressive on offense and have a SB style game on that side of the ball.
and then tell me how you cannot be impressed with the their defensive coaching staff has done all season
Names are really irrelevant. No one is a "name" in the NFL until they are. Who was Cruz at one point? They are playing well, but again, I didn't walk away from the game in awe of them. We were right there with them in that game.
and then tell me how you cannot be impressed with the their defensive coaching staff has done all season
And their defense was predicted to be one of the worst in the league coming into this season. Their DC is really good. Never thought I'd see the day where anything about the Cowboys has been underrated, but..
The Giants are a middling team that still has a lot of holes? Fine.
The Cowboys are a dominant team that will win out most of the rest of the season? OK.
But how did that dominant team take that middling team, at home, and have to rely on a turnover in the 4th quarter as the difference maker?
Same Philly team took our middling team and kicked their asses up and down the field.
Not saying Dallas sucks, or that Philly's a lock or anything else - but that the early returns aren't anywhere near definitive at this point. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see either of those teams done in by a single non-QB injury, just like I wouldn't be surprised to see either of them run away with the division.
The Giants are a middling team that still has a lot of holes? Fine.
The Cowboys are a dominant team that will win out most of the rest of the season? OK.
But how did that dominant team take that middling team, at home, and have to rely on a turnover in the 4th quarter as the difference maker?
Same Philly team took our middling team and kicked their asses up and down the field.
Not saying Dallas sucks, or that Philly's a lock or anything else - but that the early returns aren't anywhere near definitive at this point. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see either of those teams done in by a single non-QB injury, just like I wouldn't be surprised to see either of them run away with the division.
Exactly...You can't say we are an average team and prop them up based on yesterday.
I'm more impressed with Philly after playing both.
The Giants are a middling team that still has a lot of holes? Fine.
The Cowboys are a dominant team that will win out most of the rest of the season? OK.
But how did that dominant team take that middling team, at home, and have to rely on a turnover in the 4th quarter as the difference maker?
Same Philly team took our middling team and kicked their asses up and down the field.
Not saying Dallas sucks, or that Philly's a lock or anything else - but that the early returns aren't anywhere near definitive at this point. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see either of those teams done in by a single non-QB injury, just like I wouldn't be surprised to see either of them run away with the division.
Using that rationale, because Philly whipped us at home, and Dallas didn't......that makes Philly better than Dallas.
You have to take into the account of ebb and flow of how the NFL schedule and season works.
We blew out the Texans, Dallas barely beat the Texans.....doesn't mean we beat the Dallas.
I came away impressed. That team can run on anybody. But when you start committing more in the box, they can throw those jump balls to Bryant and beat you over the top. And Romo still can extend a play.
Their defense is nothing impressive, but certainly created turnovers when they needed it.
The Giants are a middling team that still has a lot of holes? Fine.
The Cowboys are a dominant team that will win out most of the rest of the season? OK.
But how did that dominant team take that middling team, at home, and have to rely on a turnover in the 4th quarter as the difference maker?
Same Philly team took our middling team and kicked their asses up and down the field.
Not saying Dallas sucks, or that Philly's a lock or anything else - but that the early returns aren't anywhere near definitive at this point. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see either of those teams done in by a single non-QB injury, just like I wouldn't be surprised to see either of them run away with the division.
Using that rationale, because Philly whipped us at home, and Dallas didn't......that makes Philly better than Dallas.
You have to take into the account of ebb and flow of how the NFL schedule and season works.
We blew out the Texans, Dallas barely beat the Texans.....doesn't mean we beat the Dallas.
I did mention that I think Philly is better than Dallas. We won't know for sure until they face up against one another, and sadly that isn't for awhile.
And the common opponent - the fact that we handled the Texans handily and the Cowboys struggled? I'm factoring in that as well, bearing in mind we had Cruz and they didn't have Foster for that game. All things I considered when I came to the conclusion that Dallas wasn't as good as I had originally expected (which again, isn't to say they're bad by any stretch).
I agree. Their D isn't dominant, but it is certainly good and better than last year. I still don't think it is a top D. But, their OL vastly improves their offense and the way they approach the game, which keeps their D off the field.
scares me, I won't lie. If Dallas were doing this same thing last year we would've known they weren't good enough to get past Seattle and San Fran anyway. The only solace I take is that the best team in October typically doesn't win it all. Seattle and Denver last year was a rarity nowadays.
Dallas has a good team and right now is one of the best teams in the NFC along with Philadelphia and Green Bay. That could all change with injuries and the like, but right now those seem to be the teams to beat.
The fact that they did not beat us by more than 10 does not mean they aren't very good.
With the Eagles plus the one with Indy will tell the tale. My bet: they win only one of those. I don't think Arizona brings enough to the party to be that kind of test. Are they good enough? Maybe enough to win the Division by an eyelash. After that, who knows? (Just my guess, of course. Stuff happens that can't be foreseen no matter how things stand at the moment.)
Very physical team with playmakers on offense. They keep coming at you. I could see them in the NFC championship game.The Dallas- Philly game will be a must see.
Bryant, Smith, Frederick and it looks like Martin are all studs - with Dez and Smith among the top 15 players in the league. They missed with Claiborne so saying they hit on 4 out of the last 5 doesn't really capture how good they are with 2 top players in the group.
...they beat us every which way but loose. Frankly, as much as I hate the cowboys...they look right now like the team to beat in the NFC and I'm glad its an NFC East team. I'd like to see the NFC East become dominant again as it once was.
The Cowboys looked very good. Good o-line, Murray, Bryant and their D played hard as well. The guy I was most impressed with was Romo. Bryant's 2nd half was Romo's doing. Bryant was blanketed on most plays by Prince but Romo put the ball exactly where it needed to be on some crucial plays.
offense has been very good in spots. But, Murray has yet to show he stay healthy for an entire season. Take him away and they drop a few notches.
RE: Romo - threw pick yesterday, bobbled a snap = almost fumble, and Giants had a shot at one or two more ints. Little less athletic due to the back injury. If Jenkins could have stayed in and got some pressure from the other side - could have been even closer game, possibly a win.
We couldn't cover Bryant - no one really can, best wr in the league in my opinion.
do these guys look like one of the best teams in the NFL?
I'd have to say no, but they haven't faced a real test yet it seems. They do look good, and if they can keep it up they can go far, but they sure as hell aren't some unstoppable juggernaut.
Of course, that might just be how the NFL is these days, with parity and the salary cap, maybe that's as close to unstoppable as you can get.
right now, with the emphasis on 'right now'. Murray is running at an unsustainable clip and will almost die by the end of the season. Their defense is also a smoke and mirrors job by Marinelli and eventually the lack of talent will be seriously exploited. We'll have a much better shot in the rematch; hopefully the Giants haven't quit on TC yet and aren't 3-7
That OL really might be good enough to carry them Â
to convince themselves that the Cowboys aren't good? They went into Seattle and beat the defending champs, they won 6 in a row and they beat us. Meanwhile, we're staring at 3-4, we can't run the ball to save our lives, and playoff hopes are fading fast.
Their defense tries hard, but isn't particularly good. I can understand people being annoyed yesterday because the game was there for the taking, but the Giants just shot themselves in the foot too many times. That doesn't mean that Dallas isn't good.
to convince themselves that the Cowboys aren't good? They went into Seattle and beat the defending champs, they won 6 in a row and they beat us. Meanwhile, we're staring at 3-4, we can't run the ball to save our lives, and playoff hopes are fading fast.
Miracles do happen, but the Giants aren't catching the lesser of Eagles/Cowboys and the Packers/Lions/Niners/Seahawks for a wild card spot. The NFC is very competitive this season, unlike the AFC where the 4-3 Bills and 3-2-1 Bengals are vying for the final spot.
we would have won, if we didn't fumble, or we didn't miss that tackle, or if we didn't have movement in the OL, or if we had covered that TE, etc, etc, etc...
The fact is, we did fumble, we did miss the tackle, we did move on 4th and one, we didn't cover their TE, because these are the mistakes we make week after week....this is not a team that can make up for mistakes it makes.....when you are a real good team you can.....but when you are not, you can't....
to convince themselves that the Cowboys aren't good? They went into Seattle and beat the defending champs, they won 6 in a row and they beat us. Meanwhile, we're staring at 3-4, we can't run the ball to save our lives, and playoff hopes are fading fast.
No, I just wasn't impressed. The big win they got last week, they streak they've been on and how they've been getting pumped up I thought we'd get destroyed. We went in there and hung in until the end despite a lot of dumb mistakes.
DeMarcus Lawrence has begun practicing with the team and should be ready to return in a couple of weeks. Josh Brent and Amobi Okoye should also join the team by week 10. If this happens their first game will be against NY. This should provide some additional depth to the DL and Dallas is hoping to improve their pass rush as well with the addition of these players.
In two weeks Dallas plays Arizona. By this time it's possible that Dallas could be 7-1 and Arizona 6-1, and the game would be for the #1 spot in the NFC. This game is scheduled for 1:00pm, but I believe it will be flexed to the 4:25pm slot.
Almost predicatble after beating the SB champs in their stadium, which was a huge, emotional win.
Injuries to Romo and the Murray will be the only thing holding them back.
They have to be the favs in the East.
They need Free back in the worst way. I thoguht their backup really struggled. Smith also wasnt anything to write home about. Plus, their defense stinks.
They will be in a lot of games with the ball control/run game. However, if something happens like it did against SF, I worry about them coming back. Whenever a team becomes 1-dimensional with a bad defense.... they are most likely going to be exposed.
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they will grind to a halt. Romo can't carry that team, and the defense is doing better because the offense is controlling the clock, we moved the ball on them pretty well when we weren't ramming it into the line every play
This was true in the past when Romo had to become Mr. Playmaker every other play. That Oline is keeping him clean. I think this is the year they can go far with or without a running game.
That the thing, they can come at you so many ways....you can't double and commit to all their weapons.
Again, if Romo doesn't get hurt and doesn't self destruct, they should win the NFC East.
Playoffs....now that's another matter.
and although they had no sacks (right?) it seemed Eli was under constant pressure.
The OL kept Romo clean for the most part and other times he kept himself clean with his pocket presence and mobility and the OL opened up huge lanes for Murray.
they are built for success in the NFL. Are they immune to injury? Of course not. If Bryant or Romo get hurt like has happened before (many times) who knows what happens, but that's a well balanced team.
1) envious of their offensive line
2) Every time I tell myself Demarco Murray is overrated, he proves me wrong
3) their defense is better than I expected to start the year- they had someone in our backfield every time Williams got a hand-off (has something to do with our off. line)
So you're saying the Giants were on thin ice? One Rashad Jennings away from a disaster season?
You must have been watching a different game if you didn't see how effective their O-line is both pass and run blocking, Romo's ability to buy time and find guys 4, 5 seconds into a play, and Bryant destroying Prince (although Prince did well there was no guarding Bryant in the second half... he was that good). Great third down conversion percentage. This is a dominant offense.
If the Giants were 6-1, running the ball like that, had that OL and had those weapons at the skill positions this entire board would be doing back flips every morning.
I'd have to say no, but they haven't faced a real test yet it seems. They do look good, and if they can keep it up they can go far, but they sure as hell aren't some unstoppable juggernaut.
Of course, that might just be how the NFL is these days, with parity and the salary cap, maybe that's as close to unstoppable as you can get.
If the Giants were 6-1, running the ball like that, had that OL and had those weapons at the skill positions this entire board would be doing back flips every morning.
I'd say GB, along with AZ, Seattle and San Fran. Not Philly.
San Fran and Seattle didn't look good yesterday, but don't fall asleep on them. San Fran needs to get healthier and will (Denver is a tough matchup for anyone)
I can't put Philly in the mix simply because what is their weak link: the QB.
Can he leap over Dallas lineman? Cause that's what he would have needed to do with the blocking yesterday. But his receiving out of the backfield was missed.
There are not many scary teams.
Dallas can win the whole thing this year, especially if Peyton chokes again.
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but could only imagine if Jennings was in the lineup
So you're saying the Giants were on thin ice? One Rashad Jennings away from a disaster season?
No. This was just another thought. This offense is completely different with him in the lineup
I'd have to say no, but they haven't faced a real test yet it seems. They do look good, and if they can keep it up they can go far, but they sure as hell aren't some unstoppable juggernaut.
Of course, that might just be how the NFL is these days, with parity and the salary cap, maybe that's as close to unstoppable as you can get.
Beating Seattle, in Seattle, isn't at test?
I also wouldn't discount GB's resurgence either. SF it would appear is cooked.
Personally - not sure if it's just how we played against them, but I think Philly is the sleeping giant in the division (and I hate Philly more than Dallas so it pains me to admit it). I would be surprised to see Dallas beat Philly, no matter how awful everyone says Philly's defense is.
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do these guys look like one of the best teams in the NFL?
I'd have to say no, but they haven't faced a real test yet it seems. They do look good, and if they can keep it up they can go far, but they sure as hell aren't some unstoppable juggernaut.
Of course, that might just be how the NFL is these days, with parity and the salary cap, maybe that's as close to unstoppable as you can get.
Beating Seattle, in Seattle, isn't at test?
Seattle lost to the Rams yesterday. It's possible (too early to tell) that Seattle's cooked this year, as is often the cast post-SB victory. The Harvin situation didn't help matters either (apparently that flared up towards the end of the Dallas game).
There are not many scary teams.
Dallas can win the whole thing this year, especially if Peyton chokes again.
Actually, this a good point about schedules and "who have you beaten".
There's a lot of slop in the NFL......not many teams week in, week out are playing a great opponent. A few fall that way (like us the next five weeks!) but not many.
It's like the other week when Seattle and Denver both had byes, the TV schedule was hideous.
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but could only imagine if Jennings was in the lineup
So you're saying the Giants were on thin ice? One Rashad Jennings away from a disaster season?
No. This was just another thought. This offense is completely different with him in the lineup
Or maybe the offense is completely different against teams that aren't as good as Dallas and Philly?
I also wouldn't discount GB's resurgence either. SF it would appear is cooked.
Personally - not sure if it's just how we played against them, but I think Philly is the sleeping giant in the division (and I hate Philly more than Dallas so it pains me to admit it). I would be surprised to see Dallas beat Philly, no matter how awful everyone says Philly's defense is.
jcn, I feel the same way. I think Philly is the team to beat in the divison. They impressed me a lot more than Dallas. Arizona is another team to watchout for
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but could only imagine if Jennings was in the lineup
So you're saying the Giants were on thin ice? One Rashad Jennings away from a disaster season?
No. This was just another thought. This offense is completely different with him in the lineup
Or maybe the offense is completely different against teams that aren't as good as Dallas and Philly?
I guess we'll find out after the bye lol
Murray another big game.
And their Defense outplayed ours and it wasn't even close. They were supposed to be the worst defense in the league remember. I cam away saying that is a very, very solid team right now.
They dominate upfront, draw the D in and then take smart shots. They are a lot like some of our teams that crushed it the last 7 years.
Murray another big game.
And their Defense outplayed ours and it wasn't even close. They were supposed to be the worst defense in the league remember. I cam away saying that is a very, very solid team right now.
Escobar had a total of 20 yards going into the game. He blows. Just because we make people look better than what they are, doesnt mean they are good.
There were times in the game where Hankins looked to be on roller skates getting pushed downfield. Other than JPP and occasionally Hankins the line was handled with relative ease. Murray made guys miss and ran hard. Bryant and Escobar were catching and hanging onto balls even when covered very well. Romo was just Romo, he is good and can make rushers miss. Their defense makes teams work for yards and is good enough to not completely give games away (their offense always scores points and runs well).
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Dez with a huge 2nd half.
Murray another big game.
And their Defense outplayed ours and it wasn't even close. They were supposed to be the worst defense in the league remember. I cam away saying that is a very, very solid team right now.
Escobar had a total of 20 yards going into the game. He blows. Just because we make people look better than what they are, doesnt mean they are good.
Don't all TE's look good against us?
2) Murray didn't come out of nowhere. He has always flashed his talent. He just has had trouble both staying healthy (nagging injuries) and holding on to the ball. This OL has made it easier for him to prevent both of these problems. He is also running smarter, not taking as many big hits.
3) I don't think their D is dominant.
4) Back to the OL, with their play, Romo is staying pretty clean, which makes Bryant a big threat. He also gets enough time for secondary and tertiary targets to get open after being initially covered.
Going from worst defense in the NFL to even just average should win them 12 or 13 games. Any Murray + that Line = less shots to Romo's back which is something I thought he'd have a problem with heading into this season.
On offense, Romo didn't miss a single pass in the 2nd half. I'd say Dallas was impressive.
I also wouldn't discount GB's resurgence either. SF it would appear is cooked.
Personally - not sure if it's just how we played against them, but I think Philly is the sleeping giant in the division (and I hate Philly more than Dallas so it pains me to admit it). I would be surprised to see Dallas beat Philly, no matter how awful everyone says Philly's defense is.
Don't you think Dallas is better across the board on offense on Philly? I also think Philly has defensive issues that are going to bite them versus good teams (as does Dallas).
They have such a great o-line they can do whatever they want on offense. I think their D sucks but they are riding on the momentum and confidence earned by wins the offense produced.
I thought we gave them one of the toughest games they have faced all year.
We got decent pressure on Romo even with JPP being mugged most plays. I really think the Division is up for grabs and if we pull our head out of our ass we could even make a run at the division.
They may be a good/great team, but I didn't get that impression from watching them yesterday.
We got decent pressure on Romo even with JPP being mugged most plays. I really think the Division is up for grabs and if we pull our head out of our ass we could even make a run at the division.
They may be a good/great team, but I didn't get that impression from watching them yesterday.
I'm with ya JOrth! Let's get Jennings & DRC healthy and see what they can do
they don't really have one, so I leave them as a good playoff team that can advance but defensively has too many holes.
they are impressive on offense and have a SB style game on that side of the ball.
Names are really irrelevant. No one is a "name" in the NFL until they are. Who was Cruz at one point? They are playing well, but again, I didn't walk away from the game in awe of them. We were right there with them in that game.
And their defense was predicted to be one of the worst in the league coming into this season. Their DC is really good. Never thought I'd see the day where anything about the Cowboys has been underrated, but..
The Cowboys are a dominant team that will win out most of the rest of the season? OK.
But how did that dominant team take that middling team, at home, and have to rely on a turnover in the 4th quarter as the difference maker?
Same Philly team took our middling team and kicked their asses up and down the field.
Not saying Dallas sucks, or that Philly's a lock or anything else - but that the early returns aren't anywhere near definitive at this point. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see either of those teams done in by a single non-QB injury, just like I wouldn't be surprised to see either of them run away with the division.
Disagree, cjac. Neither one of those teams will want to play Rodgers in Green Bay in January.
The Cowboys are a dominant team that will win out most of the rest of the season? OK.
But how did that dominant team take that middling team, at home, and have to rely on a turnover in the 4th quarter as the difference maker?
Same Philly team took our middling team and kicked their asses up and down the field.
Not saying Dallas sucks, or that Philly's a lock or anything else - but that the early returns aren't anywhere near definitive at this point. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see either of those teams done in by a single non-QB injury, just like I wouldn't be surprised to see either of them run away with the division.
Exactly...You can't say we are an average team and prop them up based on yesterday.
I'm more impressed with Philly after playing both.
The Cowboys are a dominant team that will win out most of the rest of the season? OK.
But how did that dominant team take that middling team, at home, and have to rely on a turnover in the 4th quarter as the difference maker?
Same Philly team took our middling team and kicked their asses up and down the field.
Not saying Dallas sucks, or that Philly's a lock or anything else - but that the early returns aren't anywhere near definitive at this point. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see either of those teams done in by a single non-QB injury, just like I wouldn't be surprised to see either of them run away with the division.
Using that rationale, because Philly whipped us at home, and Dallas didn't......that makes Philly better than Dallas.
You have to take into the account of ebb and flow of how the NFL schedule and season works.
We blew out the Texans, Dallas barely beat the Texans.....doesn't mean we beat the Dallas.
Their defense is nothing impressive, but certainly created turnovers when they needed it.
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The Giants are a middling team that still has a lot of holes? Fine.
The Cowboys are a dominant team that will win out most of the rest of the season? OK.
But how did that dominant team take that middling team, at home, and have to rely on a turnover in the 4th quarter as the difference maker?
Same Philly team took our middling team and kicked their asses up and down the field.
Not saying Dallas sucks, or that Philly's a lock or anything else - but that the early returns aren't anywhere near definitive at this point. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see either of those teams done in by a single non-QB injury, just like I wouldn't be surprised to see either of them run away with the division.
Using that rationale, because Philly whipped us at home, and Dallas didn't......that makes Philly better than Dallas.
You have to take into the account of ebb and flow of how the NFL schedule and season works.
We blew out the Texans, Dallas barely beat the Texans.....doesn't mean we beat the Dallas.
I did mention that I think Philly is better than Dallas. We won't know for sure until they face up against one another, and sadly that isn't for awhile.
And the common opponent - the fact that we handled the Texans handily and the Cowboys struggled? I'm factoring in that as well, bearing in mind we had Cruz and they didn't have Foster for that game. All things I considered when I came to the conclusion that Dallas wasn't as good as I had originally expected (which again, isn't to say they're bad by any stretch).
Dallas has a good team and right now is one of the best teams in the NFC along with Philadelphia and Green Bay. That could all change with injuries and the like, but right now those seem to be the teams to beat.
The fact that they did not beat us by more than 10 does not mean they aren't very good.
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Defense is solid
Maybe we'll get lucky and Dez Bryant will shoot himself
He's going to be a pain the ass for a while. Prince covered him reasonably well and he still catches balls.
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offense has been very good in spots. But, Murray has yet to show he stay healthy for an entire season. Take him away and they drop a few notches.
RE: Romo - threw pick yesterday, bobbled a snap = almost fumble, and Giants had a shot at one or two more ints. Little less athletic due to the back injury. If Jenkins could have stayed in and got some pressure from the other side - could have been even closer game, possibly a win.
We couldn't cover Bryant - no one really can, best wr in the league in my opinion.
Winning formula. Would love to have it!
I'd have to say no, but they haven't faced a real test yet it seems. They do look good, and if they can keep it up they can go far, but they sure as hell aren't some unstoppable juggernaut.
Of course, that might just be how the NFL is these days, with parity and the salary cap, maybe that's as close to unstoppable as you can get.
Seattle on the road. Come on now.
and Dez Bryant is very talented
but there are not going anywhere this tear
The Giants were 11-1 merely 6 years ago (2008). Sigh… Then they fell apart and Plax shot himself.
Did they look "great" yesterday... no, but there really isnt a great or even a dominant team this season, at least so far.
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Miracles do happen, but the Giants aren't catching the lesser of Eagles/Cowboys and the Packers/Lions/Niners/Seahawks for a wild card spot. The NFC is very competitive this season, unlike the AFC where the 4-3 Bills and 3-2-1 Bengals are vying for the final spot.
The fact is, we did fumble, we did miss the tackle, we did move on 4th and one, we didn't cover their TE, because these are the mistakes we make week after week....this is not a team that can make up for mistakes it makes.....when you are a real good team you can.....but when you are not, you can't....
No, I just wasn't impressed. The big win they got last week, they streak they've been on and how they've been getting pumped up I thought we'd get destroyed. We went in there and hung in until the end despite a lot of dumb mistakes.
DeMarcus Lawrence has begun practicing with the team and should be ready to return in a couple of weeks. Josh Brent and Amobi Okoye should also join the team by week 10. If this happens their first game will be against NY. This should provide some additional depth to the DL and Dallas is hoping to improve their pass rush as well with the addition of these players.
In two weeks Dallas plays Arizona. By this time it's possible that Dallas could be 7-1 and Arizona 6-1, and the game would be for the #1 spot in the NFC. This game is scheduled for 1:00pm, but I believe it will be flexed to the 4:25pm slot.