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Dunedin81 : 10/20/2014 11:38 am
This is the MLBTR primer, nothing new but a good regurgitation of what is known.
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ill be very upset if they dont at least give  
viggie : 10/20/2014 12:33 pm : link
refsnyder a chance to win the job. Maybe they trade Gardner for an upgrade and look at Austin to break in soon. They really need to start infusing some youth.
27 year old Korean SS Jung-Ho Kang will be posted...  
Dunedin81 : 10/20/2014 12:35 pm : link
extrapolating from KBO is very difficult, but he did post a .360/.463./.756 slash line with 38 HRs. Noted for strong defense and big power but said to struggle with breaking pitches.
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you figure  
viggie : 10/20/2014 12:47 pm : link
judge and Sanchez around the 2016 season if all goes according to plan. Bird I'm not sure about.
I'd guess a similar ETA for Bird...  
Dunedin81 : 10/20/2014 12:48 pm : link
he is likely to keep hitting, if he does it well enough and with enough power he could end up caddying Teix as he shuttles back and forth between 1B and DH (and the DL) and then take over for him when his contract is up.
I think Judge could force his way up second half next year  
Greg from LI : 10/20/2014 12:50 pm : link
The need for OF could be acute given Beltran's age and health.
Duendin  
Matt M. : 10/20/2014 12:52 pm : link
I'd pass on Kang. If the word is already that he struggles with the breaking stuff, what do you think his line will look like in MLB? At that age and with that scouting report, I'd pass.
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Dunedin81 : 10/20/2014 2:07 pm : link
Pinstriped Prospects þ@PinstripedPros · 47m47 minutes ago
Gary Denbo is expected to be replacing Mark Newman. Good choice in our opinion.

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Dunedin81 : 10/20/2014 2:07 pm : link
In comment 11931714 Matt M. said:
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I'd pass on Kang. If the word is already that he struggles with the breaking stuff, what do you think his line will look like in MLB? At that age and with that scouting report, I'd pass.


The word was that Jose Dariel Abreu struggled with the breaking stuff. I wouldn't worry that much.
Dunedin  
Matt M. : 10/20/2014 2:10 pm : link
I would think Abreu is the exception. You take his success and use it to dismiss other scouting reports.
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Dunedin81 : 10/20/2014 2:11 pm : link
In comment 11932005 Matt M. said:
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I would think Abreu is the exception. You take his success and use it to dismiss other scouting reports.


All I mean is that what could be a throwaway line in someone's scouting report shouldn't be taken as the last word. He owned Korean pitching last year, what that means for his ability to hit major league pitching is a decision that people a lot smarter than me will have to make.
It seems to be official on Denbo replacing Newman...  
Dunedin81 : 10/20/2014 2:13 pm : link
and with Pat Roessler leaving maybe Minaya takes over for him.
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KBO level of competition is lower than NPB  
Greg from LI : 10/20/2014 2:29 pm : link
And NPB is generally considered to be around AAA quality, so keep that in mind. RAB posted Kang's lifetime stats, and while he's been a very good player over there this past season was far and away his career year.

I don't mind rolling the dice, but temper your expectations. If he can be even a solid MLB shortstop, that would be hitting the jackpot.
I'll be very dissapointed if they let Robertson walk  
Ron from Ninerland : 10/20/2014 2:40 pm : link
Right now he may the longest tenured great relief pitcher in baseball. He's been around for a few years now, he's been consistent and he's been playoff tested. The only reason he has not been recognized as such is that he just came out of Mariano's shadow. Except for the period right after his injury in 2012 he's been lights out. Occasionally he'll pitch a stinker, but like Mariano before him, he bounces right back. Having him succeed Mariano is like having Steve Young succeed Joe Montana. Having Robertson succeed Mariono and having Bentaces waiting in the wings Is something I don't think has been seen in baseball.

In spite the the Yankees inability to develop starting pitching and their propensity for signing bad contacts, it seems relief pitching is one thing the Yankees do well.
I think the Yankees do  
LS : 10/20/2014 3:07 pm : link
relief pitching well due to the most part of failed young starters. They end up getting moved to the bullpen.
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Dunedin81 : 10/20/2014 3:08 pm : link
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relief pitching well due to the most part of failed young starters. They end up getting moved to the bullpen.


Betances was a failed starter, but Robertson has been a reliever since being drafted and most of the top relievers in the org are also college relievers. If anything their success rate with relievers improved when they started drafting guys for that purpose.
Can't wait to see Lindgren in the Bronx  
Greg from LI : 10/20/2014 3:11 pm : link
A lefty with a good fastball and a wipeout slider? Hells yeah.
The Yanks found value  
Phil in LA : 10/20/2014 3:13 pm : link
picking so late and that value was swing and miss relievers. They should be self sufficient in the pen going forward.
I know it won't happen, but  
section125 : 10/20/2014 3:16 pm : link
it wouldn't break my heart to see CC, Teix, ARod, and Ichiro let go. Lots of money to eat, yes. But CC is done, Teix just cannot stay healthy and is no longer much of a threat (unless he bats 6th or 7th) ARod is done and we already have Ellsbury and Gardner as speedy outfielders.
Kang would be the top SS prospect we have by a good bit.  
BeerFridge : 10/20/2014 3:30 pm : link
why the hell not?
RE: Kang would be the top SS prospect we have by a good bit.  
Dunedin81 : 10/20/2014 3:53 pm : link
In comment 11932222 BeerFridge said:
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why the hell not?


We actually have several very good SS prospects. The problem is that they're a ways away.
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BeerFridge : 10/20/2014 3:58 pm : link
In comment 11932310 Dunedin81 said:
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why the hell not?



We actually have several very good SS prospects. The problem is that they're a ways away.


Would you rank any of them higher than this guy?
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Dunedin81 : 10/20/2014 4:09 pm : link
In comment 11932330 BeerFridge said:
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why the hell not?



We actually have several very good SS prospects. The problem is that they're a ways away.



Would you rank any of them higher than this guy?


Mateo could easily be a top 100 prospect after next year so to me he is higher. Avelino is a good prospect but doesn't have a standout tool so if Kang really has above average or plus power he's a better prospect.
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Beer Man : 10/20/2014 4:47 pm : link
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Betances was a failed starter


The fact that a reliever was a failed starter doesn't necessarily mean anything. The White Sox tried Goose Gossage as a starter in 1976. He went 9 - 17 and never started again
Chili signed with the Sox...  
Dunedin81 : 10/20/2014 8:27 pm : link
Sporrty þ@sporrtynews 6m6 minutes ago

News Update: Dave Magadan won’t be Yankees hitting coach, but he could be front-runner with A’s
Mariano was a starter  
xman : 10/20/2014 8:44 pm : link
turned reliever. Robertson has given up more long balls then I'd like to see
Quick look at Austin with some notes on the Yanks' system...  
Dunedin81 : 10/20/2014 8:58 pm : link
also some love for Nimmo, if any Mets fans are lurking.
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Chili makes me sad  
Greg from LI : 10/20/2014 9:07 pm : link
Fucker better not ever try to show up for Old Timer's Day
The AFL has been a coming out party of sorts for Bird so far...  
Dunedin81 : 10/20/2014 10:09 pm : link
Arizona Fall League þ@MLBazFallLeague 8m8 minutes ago

Scottsdale OF Greg Bird (@Yankees) hits his league-leading fourth home run to give the Scorpions a 1-0 lead over the Dogs in the 2nd. #AFL14
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Dunedin81 : 10/21/2014 12:19 pm : link
Bernie Pleskoff þ@BerniePleskoff · 7m7 minutes ago
#Yankees Greg Bird and #Royals Kyle Zimmer were named the #afl14 player and pitcher of the week for Week 2.

MLBTR  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2014 1:44 pm : link
is projecting 4 years 52 for Robertson even with a QO, good lord
That  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2014 1:54 pm : link
spotlight piece is tarnished by a bizarre statement



The younger Mazzilli also remained unfazed by the super-hype of his introduction to the New York media at Citi-Bank Field. That kind of laser-focus helped him adjust quickly to pro- ball.
A little odd...  
Dunedin81 : 10/21/2014 2:02 pm : link
But the writer is one of the only folks from Minor League News who does original content.
Not  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2014 3:49 pm : link
to miller your thread but the Pirates organizational OF depth is NUTS. Any team looking for an OF/OF prospects needs to call them.
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ed90631 : 10/21/2014 6:35 pm : link
In comment 11932471 Beer Man said:
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Betances was a failed starter



The fact that a reliever was a failed starter doesn't necessarily mean anything. The White Sox tried Goose Gossage as a starter in 1976. He went 9 - 17 and never started again
as was Mariano. 1995 season.
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Dunedin81 : 10/21/2014 7:52 pm : link
Josh Norris þ@jnorris427 44m44 minutes ago

In that last retweet, Trey Hillman says he was offered the job replacing Mark Newman.
I'd love it if they went outside their organization for a change  
yatqb : 10/21/2014 8:06 pm : link
to land a top head of scouting.
they can start with the st louis cardinals  
sinctybldh : 10/21/2014 8:31 pm : link
that organization is the best place to raid from.
Yankees notes...  
Dunedin81 : 10/22/2014 6:43 pm : link
BA's draft review came out and apparently DeCarr, Lindgren and Conde got some love.
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RAB with a decent look...  
Dunedin81 : 10/23/2014 10:11 am : link
at internal options.
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Bird has a double already...  
Dunedin81 : 10/23/2014 4:33 pm : link
and a 13 game hitting streak. Austin hit one out.
Those kids can  
Phil in LA : 10/23/2014 6:31 pm : link
hit. What's Judge up to?
Second half of 2015 season  
sinctybldh : 10/23/2014 6:38 pm : link
will we be able to see Bird, Austin and Judge on the team? My fingers are crossed.
.273/.306/.455, 1-4 with a 2B today...  
Dunedin81 : 10/23/2014 7:13 pm : link
so pretty well. Bird is hitting .345 after going 2-4 with a 2B today. This seems to be his coming out party. His season stats were depressed by his early-season injuries and he is a first baseman so he doesn't get the attention he deserves, but to rake in front of a "national" scout audience should start putting him on the map.
sin, it would be great to bring in someone from St. Louis,  
yatqb : 10/23/2014 7:24 pm : link
but I'm assuming that there are great personnel guys all around baseball waiting for the promotion that would give them their chance to run the department. Cashman should have been exploring this for at least this past year; if he hasn't been doing so he's been derelict in his duties.
Teixeira had his coming coming out party  
Phil in LA : 10/23/2014 8:18 pm : link
in the AFL.
regardless of what gets bandied about here  
Phil in LA : 10/23/2014 8:19 pm : link
the Yanks do have a bunch of talented scouts, junior execs and even some very good young minor league coaches.
dune  
HomerJones45 : 10/23/2014 9:44 pm : link
Thanks for these threads. Well done, man
No problem man...  
Dunedin81 : 10/23/2014 9:51 pm : link
I wanted to put something together about the past prospect season but I just haven't had time. We are finding out just how much different it is to have two kids under the age of three at once.
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yatqb : 10/23/2014 10:08 pm : link
In comment 11937669 Phil in LA said:
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the Yanks do have a bunch of talented scouts, junior execs and even some very good young minor league coaches.


And yet they haven't brought up a full time positional player who's made any impact since Gardner, or Cervelli if you want to count him. So what's the problem, Phil? I recognize that we don't draft near the top of the order and also often give up our top picks, but our guys have so often had great years in the A and AA leagues only to fizzle out as they near the majors. Is it talent? Coaching? Personality makeup? I mean, this has gone on for over a decade now aside from Robbie and perhaps Melky. What explains it?
The outcomes have been pretty shitty...  
Dunedin81 : 10/23/2014 10:21 pm : link
with the exception of Austin Jackson and Melky and the aforementioned Gardner and Cano (a few other guys have chipped in for other teams, like Jimmy Paredes, but they're peripheral). A lot of stalling, a lot of injuries, but outside of Montero they haven't had a lot of premium prospects anyway. Part of that is a function of draft position, part of that is injuries, part of that is struggles in development and part is an unwillingness to endure growing pains from youth.
yatqb  
Phil in LA : 10/24/2014 2:06 am : link
there are a couple of problems.

1) they have traded too many picks for old free agents.

2) after the productive era that produced the Fab 5, a bunch of execs and scouts and minor league coaches got hired away from the Yankees. A bunch have since returned, but there was a period where Lin Garrett was doing the drafts and there were no cross checkers. That's all different now.

3) George died. When George die, his promise to fund the drafts to whatever extent they needed to get better players, was reversed by Hal.

4) they won for 20 straight years and thus have not had a top 10 pick in about 20 years.

5) There was corruption in the Dominican Operation in the last decade. That saw them signing players who would kick money back, instead of maybe the best players they could have signed. That has gotten hugely better under Donny Rowland, who was one of the scouts who had left then was lured back.

6) They don't give young players chances. Rob Refsnyder could have been that everyday player from the farm this year, but they refused to call him up,

So, those are the big reasons. The development issue has been a little overstated as we saw this year: where good players seemed to develop just fine.
Chad Jennings on first base for 2015  
Dunedin81 : 10/24/2014 9:26 am : link
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It should be Roller  
Phil in LA : 10/24/2014 2:42 pm : link
Tex misses enough time for it to make sense.
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yatqb : 10/24/2014 5:44 pm : link
In comment 11938168 Phil in LA said:
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there are a couple of problems.

1) they have traded too many picks for old free agents.

2) after the productive era that produced the Fab 5, a bunch of execs and scouts and minor league coaches got hired away from the Yankees. A bunch have since returned, but there was a period where Lin Garrett was doing the drafts and there were no cross checkers. That's all different now.

3) George died. When George die, his promise to fund the drafts to whatever extent they needed to get better players, was reversed by Hal.

4) they won for 20 straight years and thus have not had a top 10 pick in about 20 years.

5) There was corruption in the Dominican Operation in the last decade. That saw them signing players who would kick money back, instead of maybe the best players they could have signed. That has gotten hugely better under Donny Rowland, who was one of the scouts who had left then was lured back.

6) They don't give young players chances. Rob Refsnyder could have been that everyday player from the farm this year, but they refused to call him up,

So, those are the big reasons. The development issue has been a little overstated as we saw this year: where good players seemed to develop just fine.


Lots of good information, Phil. I'm hoping it makes a difference, and have liked the last two drafts more than previous ones, and this years IFA bonanza was greatly needed. But it's wait and see for me; time for them to trust their kids if they truly have the talent, although as far as positional players, there seem to be only a few (Reyfsnyder and Murphy?) who seem close to ready for the majors. That said, I'll be content to miss the playoffs for another year as long as we stop pursuing bandaid older guys and keep developing the farm system.
Everything is wait and see  
Phil in LA : 10/24/2014 6:21 pm : link
at this point we can only observe the apparent plan or lack thereof.
RE: Everything is wait and see  
yatqb : 10/24/2014 6:25 pm : link
In comment 11939104 Phil in LA said:
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at this point we can only observe the apparent plan or lack thereof.


Now that last comment was a mouthful. The pressure on Cashman to field a playoff team year after year has left him in a difficult position w/re to FA signings versus a true rebuild. I can understand Hal's desire for YES ratings, attendance and publicity as it can quickly affect he bottom line to have a non-competitive team. But in order to become a system that perpetually produces home-grown talent you need to take your lumps sometimes. Hal and Co. go back and forth on that too much for my comfort.
Greg Colbrunn has taken the hitting coach job  
Phil in LA : 10/25/2014 12:08 am : link
with the RiverDogs. He wanted to be closer to his family after his health scare. So our low A affiliate may end up with a better hitting coach than our MLB affiliate has.
Judge, Bird and Austin  
Phil in LA : 10/25/2014 5:03 pm : link
each homered today.
If these guys are able to pan out  
illmatic : 10/25/2014 5:12 pm : link
it'll help much more than any free agent signing would. It's exciting waiting to see what happens with them. Even just one out of those three would be a big help.
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