To start...... Some things from his post game presser. My points in bold. His quotes italicized.
On why he stuck with the running game in the second half when he didn’t have much success with it in the first half.
Because you’ve got to have balance. We’re not just going to turn the ball over because we refuse to run. That’s not what we’re all about.
Not sure if he means turn the ball over on downs or via the interception. Either way....... They turned the ball over downs because of the running game and Eli has not thrown an interception in a very long time. Without Jennings this offense needed to be Eli slinging the ball all over the lot yesterday. Sticking to the run cost the game. Immediately after the game Coughlin obviously would not admit this. Maybe after seeing the tape he will.
On going to the no huddle after hitting an offensive wall.
We were in the no huddle most of the game. We made some plays. We got some balls into peoples’ hands and they made some yards, they ran for yards. We were in the no huddle a lot of the time.
I think the reporters need to do a better job of clarifying hurry up and no huddle. There is a difference and the hurry up is what was working.
On the running game.
We’ve got to block people. It’s not as consistent. We’re having bad breakdowns that are costing us negative yardage, so we’re having to come from behind the eight-ball instead of going forward. Even if it’s a three yard run, it’s certainly better than 2nd and 12. I really look forward to seeing this film because it looked like we had some issues in there with some missed blocks and some people running
An incomplete pass is a better result than a run for negative 3. Shame. He admits to having issues but they still stuck with it. We had balance. So what. We lost with balance.
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I have loved Coughlin and think he is a very god coach but there are some things that are driving me nuts.
1) He harps on fundamentals and turnovers yet we constantly kill ourselves with failures on both parts. I fear his message is not getting through. I watch these games waiting for the other shoe to drop and most often it does.
2) Since late 2012 his teams have laid enormous eggs on the big stage. So many blow outs. He preaches NEW YORK GIANTS PRIDE. Where is it??????
3) His special teams are a liability instead of a strength and have been for almost his entire tenure. For a guy who talks about the importance of specials why is it they are short bus special?
4) His defense is soft. Our punter pins the Cows on the 7 yard line yesterday and they march right down the field for a TD. Banks on WFAN was about the Giants blitz packages and his quote was "They do not know how to blitz"
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I guess we all really should hope he can once again turn things around but it is looking more and more like he has lost the ability to correct the most glaring issues. His time may be over which is sad. I hope he can fix this.
This post is more of a vent than anything feel free to add to it.
I really think this team needed to ax Fewell and Quinn last year instead of just going half ass and only addressing the offense. Give Coughlin a really good D Cord and ST coach and he would most likely succeed.
Dallas has better players, and those players won.
In particular this one really drives me nuts:
1) He harps on fundamentals and turnovers yet we constantly kill ourselves with failures on both parts. I fear his message is not getting through. I watch these games waiting for the other shoe to drop and most often it does.
Fewell, Quinn, Flaherty, Nunn, Herrmann... the arrow has been pointing down since 2010.
Dallas has better players, and those players won.
This goes far beyond yesterday.
Dallas has better players, and those players won.
so coaches are not somewhat accountable for penalties, arm talking and ball security? running the ball up the gut ineffectively over and over and over again?
I don't think our failures are due to a lack of TC getting a message to the players. My only problem with TC is that he has kept Fewell and Quin as long as he has.
When I saw Fewell with a smile on his face after Dallas scored a TD I finally realized how bad he is, yet on the other side of the field we saw Dallas' DC yelling and screaming at players even after they made a very successful defensive play. Fewell is a big problem and I'm not sure why TC doesn't fire him. TC is smart so I must begin to wonder if their is pressure from above for TC to keep the guy.
Dallas has better players, and those players won.
And their defense has NOBODY!!!!!! Marinelli is the reason they are not a laughing stock.
That should work well.
So while we couldn't run the ball, it was still successful in setting up the pass.
Coughlin make a great point about this. It is important to stick to the run. Coaching did not cost the Giants this game.
Dallas has better players, and those players won.
I disagree. I don't think top to bottom they have better players. They have a better RB and OL, which was a significant difference. On D, they are notr significantly better.
I would say, thought, that their coaching was better.
So while we couldn't run the ball, it was still successful in setting up the pass.
Coughlin make a great point about this. It is important to stick to the run. Coaching did not cost the Giants this game.
Good points. Another reason you stick with the run when it doesn't work is because it also wears down the defense. Many coaches do this hoping to wear down the defense to the point where the run will begin to work. We didn't achieve that Sunday but the announcers did mention this point.
look at marinelli: another coach who is known to be conservative, Tampa 2 guy: but he mixes in plenty of blitzing. He's still aggressive. As is Leslie Frazier, Lovie Smith etc. u have 2 do more than 4-man rush in the NFL
A strong secondary that suddenly thinned out due to injury, a killer Jennings injury, a half-strength Beason, the loss of Cruz have all prevented us from vying for the top, plain and simple..So PLEASE stop this unfounded bullshit
It's funny...the Dallas defense was awful last year. So they change some of the players that contributed to that awfulness and for some reason we expected them to be awful again. Give credit where it's due...they played better and have been playing well for a few games now.
And if you think Coughlin and Fewell are coaching players to blow assignments or fumble the ball I don't know what to tell you. They were also coaching Donnell to catch the 3 TDs in Washington back when everyone was hopping on his dick so fast he needed a bandwagon built on it.
For the fruit flies calling for more passing in a sustained two minute-type offense, I have two questions:
1. Did you watch the game in Philly?
2. Why do you hate Eli so much that you want to see him injured?
Go back and watch the play selection on plays where the opponent knows a pass is likely. You'll see pitches to Peyton Hillis and quick passes over the middle to a tight end. The coaches don't trust the OL to sustain their pass blocks for very long, let alone in a continuous two minute all pass offense.
Sometimes you watch the games and the ideas some espouse on this site make you wonder if you're losing your mind or living in some alternate reality.
Thurmond
Will Hill
McBride
A dinged up DRC
Lb's:
Beason
OL:
Schwartz
RB:
Wilson
Jennings
WR:
Cruz
I can't speak accurately with regard to other teams issues, but year after year we lose multiple key players, not for a short time, but for long periods of time or an entire year.
Now we have only played 7 games this year and already we are down 6 or 7 very key contributors.
What happened to the "Injuries are a cancer" comment from years ago
Dallas has better players, and those players won.
If anything, this loss was ultimately determined by who made more mistakes. We were in the Dallas territory 5 times and got out of at least FG position due to penalties and a fumble.
coughlin knows he does not have the OL or mobility at QB to drop back 50 times. he is not going to say it publicly
A strong secondary that suddenly thinned out due to injury, a killer Jennings injury, a half-strength Beason, the loss of Cruz have all prevented us from vying for the top, plain and simple..So PLEASE stop this unfounded bullshit
Are you talking to me? If so please name me five Dallas defensive starters off the top of your head. You can't. The reason they are not the laughing stock they should be is coaching.
Down 14- 28 they abandoned the run and scored easily.
I get trying to establish the run, and I get thinking it will eventually work. But don't you get to a point in a game where you just do what you have to, to win and go back to your game plan next week?
He is a great coach, don't want to see him dismissed, but he can be stubborn.
It's funny...the Dallas defense was awful last year. So they change some of the players that contributed to that awfulness and for some reason we expected them to be awful again. Give credit where it's due...they played better and have been playing well for a few games now.
And if you think Coughlin and Fewell are coaching players to blow assignments or fumble the ball I don't know what to tell you. They were also coaching Donnell to catch the 3 TDs in Washington back when everyone was hopping on his dick so fast he needed a bandwagon built on it.
For the fruit flies calling for more passing in a sustained two minute-type offense, I have two questions:
1. Did you watch the game in Philly?
2. Why do you hate Eli so much that you want to see him injured?
Go back and watch the play selection on plays where the opponent knows a pass is likely. You'll see pitches to Peyton Hillis and quick passes over the middle to a tight end. The coaches don't trust the OL to sustain their pass blocks for very long, let alone in a continuous two minute all pass offense.
Sometimes you watch the games and the ideas some espouse on this site make you wonder if you're losing your mind or living in some alternate reality.
What was happening in the Eagles game was not happening yesterday. Not for one second. We were pass protecting very well. I am not saying we should have abandoned the run in the first half but in the third quarter it needed to be less balanced.
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Can you stop it already?
A strong secondary that suddenly thinned out due to injury, a killer Jennings injury, a half-strength Beason, the loss of Cruz have all prevented us from vying for the top, plain and simple..So PLEASE stop this unfounded bullshit
Are you talking to me? If so please name me five Dallas defensive starters off the top of your head. You can't. The reason they are not the laughing stock they should be is coaching.
You think their D is responsible for their 6-1 record? I mean seriously? They've played well enough to support a virtually unstoppable Offense(as of now) that has allowed Romo to make less mistakes..Murray is a huge reason why they're 6-1..He gives them a dimension that an already offensively talented Dallas O hasn't had in quite awhile..If Murray goes down, they are as fucked as we've been with HJ out..Murray allows much less threes and out which gives their D much rest so they can be reasonably fresh in the 4th qtr..
Murray goes down and suddenly Garrett and Marinelli aren't as terrific..
They are suggesting a better mix of run and pass, such as occurred during the three-game winning streak.
Jennings got injured and Coughlin went back to his power-run gameplan. He should just let BM run the offense. It is not effective to take the ball out of Eli and the receivers hands and put it in the much less-talented hands of Andre Williams.
There is a reason Odell was drafted in the first round and Williams in the 4th round. In today's NFL, Odell is the much more valuable player. But not on the Giants. Williams had 18 carries and 3 targets. That is not winning football. The kid is not a starting caliber RB at this point. And he is getting 40% of the plays in the offense? Sorry, that's just not good offensive gameplanning. Maybe agst a team that you expect to beat like the Jaguars. But not against Philly and Dallas.
Unfortunately, I think this line proved they are just not good at run blocking. And so long as Jerry and Walton are in there, I don't see a lot of improvement on the horizon.
A strong secondary that suddenly thinned out due to injury, a killer Jennings injury, a half-strength Beason, the loss of Cruz have all prevented us from vying for the top, plain and simple..So PLEASE stop this unfounded bullshit
Please STOP lecturing everybody. The Giants haven't beaten a good team since the 49er game in Oct. 2012. This group healthy got whipped by the Lions and blew game to Cards. The Eagles anticipated what our offense was going to run. Yesterday, TC (don't pass buck to his assistant) kept running with zero success cause he has to have "balance." And do you think only NYG has injuries?
That is fact. But the fact is that didn't come close to happening.
So why is that? We both ran it about the same amount of times. They ran it better. If we run it better, we win.
Do you think that is a scheme issue that they ran it better? I don't.
That is fact. But the fact is that didn't come close to happening.
So why is that? We both ran it about the same amount of times. They ran it better. If we run it better, we win.
Do you think that is a scheme issue that they ran it better? I don't.
A strong secondary that suddenly thinned out due to injury, a killer Jennings injury, a half-strength Beason, the loss of Cruz have all prevented us from vying for the top, plain and simple..So PLEASE stop this unfounded bullshit
Four out of five years no playoffs. This year doesn't look much better. Don't blame this year on injuries. This coaching staff has worn out its welcome. Time to move on. Keep in mind that even in the Super Bowl runs TC was on the verve of being fired. This is nothing new.
Dallas has better players, and those players won.
It would one thing if this wasn't an every game occurance I would agree with you, but there is certainly enough evidence over the past 3 years and more that this is not the case.
Our defense has sucked for years. How we ever beat New England is beyond me (Personally I think we had the right players at the time to go against their weaknesses, not so much the great Perry Fewell coaching). They guy can't get our D off the field.
Our offense is certainly headed in the right direction. A few more guys on the line and I think we are there.
It's funny...the Dallas defense was awful last year. So they change some of the players that contributed to that awfulness and for some reason we expected them to be awful again. Give credit where it's due...they played better and have been playing well for a few games now.
And if you think Coughlin and Fewell are coaching players to blow assignments or fumble the ball I don't know what to tell you. They were also coaching Donnell to catch the 3 TDs in Washington back when everyone was hopping on his dick so fast he needed a bandwagon built on it.
For the fruit flies calling for more passing in a sustained two minute-type offense, I have two questions:
1. Did you watch the game in Philly?
2. Why do you hate Eli so much that you want to see him injured?
Go back and watch the play selection on plays where the opponent knows a pass is likely. You'll see pitches to Peyton Hillis and quick passes over the middle to a tight end. The coaches don't trust the OL to sustain their pass blocks for very long, let alone in a continuous two minute all pass offense.
Sometimes you watch the games and the ideas some espouse on this site make you wonder if you're losing your mind or living in some alternate reality.
Oh and the reason they aren't nearly as terrible is because they have been running the ball and keeping him off the defense off the field. They are giving up 6 yards a play just like last year, they just aren't on the field nearly as much as they used to be.
If the team is consistently bad, you can say they dont have the talent. There's only so much any coach can do.
But if the team can play at a high level, even against solid competition, and then they have major let downs, a question has to be asked.. If the team can play that good in some games (not 1 or 2 aberrations), why cant they maintain the same level? That IMO is on the HC.
I will continue to support TC, we know he can win it all, and there are no guarantees the next coach can. But the inconsistencies will be a major blemish on TC's record no matter what.
If the team is consistently bad, you can say they dont have the talent. There's only so much any coach can do.
But if the team can play at a high level, even against solid competition, and then they have major let downs, a question has to be asked.. If the team can play that good in some games (not 1 or 2 aberrations), why cant they maintain the same level? That IMO is on the HC.
I will continue to support TC, we know he can win it all, and there are no guarantees the next coach can. But the inconsistencies will be a major blemish on TC's record no matter what.
Well they consistently look BAD against good teams and consistently look GOOD against average to bad teams. That's what average to below average teams do.
At least we aren't the Raiders.
look at marinelli: another coach who is known to be conservative, Tampa 2 guy: but he mixes in plenty of blitzing. He's still aggressive. As is Leslie Frazier, Lovie Smith etc. u have 2 do more than 4-man rush in the NFL
He's a NFL level coordinator. Just not a very good one. They could have upgraded and hired Marinelli or Ray Horton when those top tier DCs became available. They aren't interested. They would rather watch their team give up 3 rd and forevers every year. It's not even odd when a DB totally blows av coverage like Div 2 college ball anymore.
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INCONSISTENCY.
If the team is consistently bad, you can say they dont have the talent. There's only so much any coach can do.
But if the team can play at a high level, even against solid competition, and then they have major let downs, a question has to be asked.. If the team can play that good in some games (not 1 or 2 aberrations), why cant they maintain the same level? That IMO is on the HC.
I will continue to support TC, we know he can win it all, and there are no guarantees the next coach can. But the inconsistencies will be a major blemish on TC's record no matter what.
Well they consistently look BAD against good teams and consistently look GOOD against average to bad teams. That's what average to below average teams do.
At least we aren't the Raiders.
2014 so far..
Lost 27-0 in Philly
In 2013..
Lost 38-0 to Carolina
Lost 31-7 to KC
Lost 23-7 to Minny
Lost 23-0 to Seattle
Lost 37-14 to SD
Lost 20-6 to Skins
Average to below average teams can put up if only just a fight before they lose... those games dont reflect average to below average performances.
Last 6 games in 2012...
38-10 vs Packers
16-17 vs Skins
52-27 vs Saints
0-34 vs Falcons
14-33 vs Ravens
42-7 vs Eagles
That stretch is beyond inconsistent, its mind-boggling.
look at marinelli: another coach who is known to be conservative, Tampa 2 guy: but he mixes in plenty of blitzing. He's still aggressive. As is Leslie Frazier, Lovie Smith etc. u have 2 do more than 4-man rush in the NFL
I'm sick of hearing this bullshit. They were a top 10 defense in 2010. Won the SUPERBOWL in 2011. 2012 was inconsistent. THey were good last year. They had terrible field position a lot from turnovers. He may not blitz as much as people want but holy fuck. The Giants FO knows more than you people.
Absolutely. This offense has slowed down. They may be in no huddle but they are not in hurry up.
I really think this team needed to ax Fewell and Quinn last year instead of just going half ass and only addressing the offense. Give Coughlin a really good D Cord and ST coach and he would most likely succeed.
So my real question is, and answer it, Who is it you think we let get away that you needed to get in here to coach for the next 10 years?I say fuckin noone.You think it's possible it's a matter of stupid players as opposed to "the message not getting through.Your position TC has lost the ability to communicate effectively with his players is BS. I can sit a german sheppard in a calculus class, if he can't pass the exam after don't mean the teacher sucked.
He has shit for personnel at the end of the day. Too many injuries, this year and over the last few years, to many bad draft choices, to many draft choices spent on making up for those lost early to injury.Anyone outside the fanbase sees the talent isn't there.You want to think a coaching change fixes this,it doesn't.Meanwhile if you gave TC SF's or Seattles roster I don't doubt he'd win another championship.
Your points about assistants and other coaches I agree with.
In particular this one really drives me nuts:
1) He harps on fundamentals and turnovers yet we constantly kill ourselves with failures on both parts. I fear his message is not getting through. I watch these games waiting for the other shoe to drop and most often it does.
You think Donell fumbles because he doesn't hear what TC says?You think those balls were on the ground because Larry couldn't be arsed listening to his HC? He's a noob that got schooled, that's all.Had shit to do with what Tom said or didn't say.
You would have to be a fool not see that there is a recurring theme to many of the issues that plague this team. Things that our head coach preaches as priorities. Jumping offsides, Critical holding calls, 12 men in the huddle, blocked punts, huge returns, killer tunrovers.
You would have to be a fool not see that there is a recurring theme to many of the issues that plague this team. Things that our head coach preaches as priorities. Jumping offsides, Critical holding calls, 12 men in the huddle, blocked punts, huge returns, killer tunrovers.
Dallas has better players, and those players won.
Two things ... Dallas does have better players, it doesn't mean we had no chance to win.
Two things factor into a good outcome, talented players and good scheme that puts players in the best possible situations to succeed. Which do you think is the fastest and easiest factor to change for the better?