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A discussion of Coughlin. A coach I have supported forever

BlueHurricane : 10/20/2014 12:51 pm
To start...... Some things from his post game presser. My points in bold. His quotes italicized.

On why he stuck with the running game in the second half when he didn’t have much success with it in the first half.

Because you’ve got to have balance. We’re not just going to turn the ball over because we refuse to run. That’s not what we’re all about.

Not sure if he means turn the ball over on downs or via the interception. Either way....... They turned the ball over downs because of the running game and Eli has not thrown an interception in a very long time. Without Jennings this offense needed to be Eli slinging the ball all over the lot yesterday. Sticking to the run cost the game. Immediately after the game Coughlin obviously would not admit this. Maybe after seeing the tape he will.

On going to the no huddle after hitting an offensive wall.

We were in the no huddle most of the game. We made some plays. We got some balls into peoples’ hands and they made some yards, they ran for yards. We were in the no huddle a lot of the time.

I think the reporters need to do a better job of clarifying hurry up and no huddle. There is a difference and the hurry up is what was working.

On the running game.

We’ve got to block people. It’s not as consistent. We’re having bad breakdowns that are costing us negative yardage, so we’re having to come from behind the eight-ball instead of going forward. Even if it’s a three yard run, it’s certainly better than 2nd and 12. I really look forward to seeing this film because it looked like we had some issues in there with some missed blocks and some people running

An incomplete pass is a better result than a run for negative 3. Shame. He admits to having issues but they still stuck with it. We had balance. So what. We lost with balance.

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I have loved Coughlin and think he is a very god coach but there are some things that are driving me nuts.

1) He harps on fundamentals and turnovers yet we constantly kill ourselves with failures on both parts. I fear his message is not getting through. I watch these games waiting for the other shoe to drop and most often it does.

2) Since late 2012 his teams have laid enormous eggs on the big stage. So many blow outs. He preaches NEW YORK GIANTS PRIDE. Where is it??????

3) His special teams are a liability instead of a strength and have been for almost his entire tenure. For a guy who talks about the importance of specials why is it they are short bus special?

4) His defense is soft. Our punter pins the Cows on the 7 yard line yesterday and they march right down the field for a TD. Banks on WFAN was about the Giants blitz packages and his quote was "They do not know how to blitz"

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I guess we all really should hope he can once again turn things around but it is looking more and more like he has lost the ability to correct the most glaring issues. His time may be over which is sad. I hope he can fix this.

This post is more of a vent than anything feel free to add to it.
A final thing I would like to add  
BlueHurricane : 10/20/2014 12:55 pm : link
Dallas has shown that by adding competent assistants you can turn a team around. Is Garrett all of a sudden a better head coach? Doubt it.


I really think this team needed to ax Fewell and Quinn last year instead of just going half ass and only addressing the offense. Give Coughlin a really good D Cord and ST coach and he would most likely succeed.
Blaming any of the coaches for yesterday's loss  
Go Terps : 10/20/2014 12:57 pm : link
is completely missing the picture.

Dallas has better players, and those players won.
@Hurricane  
shabu : 10/20/2014 12:58 pm : link
Hey Hurricane, I agree with most of your post. I still want TC as our coach, but yes there are some troubling patterns:

In particular this one really drives me nuts:

1) He harps on fundamentals and turnovers yet we constantly kill ourselves with failures on both parts. I fear his message is not getting through. I watch these games waiting for the other shoe to drop and most often it does.
TC can stay  
SHO'NUFF : 10/20/2014 1:00 pm : link
but his coaching staff gotz ta go... aside from McAdoo

Fewell, Quinn, Flaherty, Nunn, Herrmann... the arrow has been pointing down since 2010.
Given TCs track record of success  
armsteadeatslittlekids : 10/20/2014 1:02 pm : link
You should be worried about who's on the receiving end of the "message."
RE: Blaming any of the coaches for yesterday's loss  
BlueHurricane : 10/20/2014 1:02 pm : link
In comment 11931732 Go Terps said:
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is completely missing the picture.

Dallas has better players, and those players won.


This goes far beyond yesterday.
RE: Blaming any of the coaches for yesterday's loss  
SHO'NUFF : 10/20/2014 1:03 pm : link
In comment 11931732 Go Terps said:
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is completely missing the picture.

Dallas has better players, and those players won.


so coaches are not somewhat accountable for penalties, arm talking and ball security? running the ball up the gut ineffectively over and over and over again?
What worries me most is  
nicky43 : 10/20/2014 1:04 pm : link
TC may decide to retire after this season. I don't buy any of he exaggerated myths BBI invents about TC. It's got to be extremely hard to deal with an incompetent GM and then as you work to find solutions to the lacking talent injuries mount up to the point where you have to hope your third string players can NEXT MAN UP to a level that is literally impossible for them. That can't be fun and TC clearly is not enjoying himself now. You could see it in his pressers.

I don't think our failures are due to a lack of TC getting a message to the players. My only problem with TC is that he has kept Fewell and Quin as long as he has.

When I saw Fewell with a smile on his face after Dallas scored a TD I finally realized how bad he is, yet on the other side of the field we saw Dallas' DC yelling and screaming at players even after they made a very successful defensive play. Fewell is a big problem and I'm not sure why TC doesn't fire him. TC is smart so I must begin to wonder if their is pressure from above for TC to keep the guy.

RE: Blaming any of the coaches for yesterday's loss  
BlueHurricane : 10/20/2014 1:04 pm : link
In comment 11931732 Go Terps said:
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is completely missing the picture.

Dallas has better players, and those players won.


And their defense has NOBODY!!!!!! Marinelli is the reason they are not a laughing stock.
He can be loyal to a fault  
natefit : 10/20/2014 1:05 pm : link
but no one can deny that TC is about as good a human being as youll find. Ive wondered if that can sometimes affect fans reluctance to make a coaching change. If your HC is a dick, and theres no shortage of those, it seems easier to call for his head.
yeah, lets fire the entire staff  
aquidneck : 10/20/2014 1:05 pm : link
Other than our 67 year old head coach and force him to hire a new set of assistants.

That should work well.
sounds good  
SHO'NUFF : 10/20/2014 1:07 pm : link
to me
Good Post  
NYGmen58 : 10/20/2014 1:08 pm : link
However one thing most people on here don't recognize or understand is that almost every major passing play came off of a play fake.

So while we couldn't run the ball, it was still successful in setting up the pass.

Coughlin make a great point about this. It is important to stick to the run. Coaching did not cost the Giants this game.
but i do wanna see if TC is a hypocrite...  
SHO'NUFF : 10/20/2014 1:12 pm : link
will he bench Donnell for half the season like he did Wilson?
RE: Blaming any of the coaches for yesterday's loss  
Matt M. : 10/20/2014 1:12 pm : link
In comment 11931732 Go Terps said:
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is completely missing the picture.

Dallas has better players, and those players won.


I disagree. I don't think top to bottom they have better players. They have a better RB and OL, which was a significant difference. On D, they are notr significantly better.

I would say, thought, that their coaching was better.
RE: Good Post  
nicky43 : 10/20/2014 1:13 pm : link
In comment 11931782 NYGmen58 said:
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However one thing most people on here don't recognize or understand is that almost every major passing play came off of a play fake.

So while we couldn't run the ball, it was still successful in setting up the pass.

Coughlin make a great point about this. It is important to stick to the run. Coaching did not cost the Giants this game.


Good points. Another reason you stick with the run when it doesn't work is because it also wears down the defense. Many coaches do this hoping to wear down the defense to the point where the run will begin to work. We didn't achieve that Sunday but the announcers did mention this point.
I think you need to re-evaluate Hurry up vs. no huddle, not the press  
Matt M. : 10/20/2014 1:14 pm : link
The problem yesterday was the playcalling, not the pace. They were in no huddle a lot and it was successful. Their goal is to get to the line quicker, which they do, not necessarily snap the ball quicker. Their issue was relying way too heavily on the run on offense. On D their issue is their fucking DC.
Fewell is not  
area junc : 10/20/2014 1:18 pm : link
an NFL-calibre Defensive Coordinator IMO. have said it from the get-go: he does not have the comprehensive pressure packages u need at this level.

look at marinelli: another coach who is known to be conservative, Tampa 2 guy: but he mixes in plenty of blitzing. He's still aggressive. As is Leslie Frazier, Lovie Smith etc. u have 2 do more than 4-man rush in the NFL
Must we have this fucking conversation after every loss or two?  
Big Blue '56 : 10/20/2014 1:18 pm : link
Can you stop it already?

A strong secondary that suddenly thinned out due to injury, a killer Jennings injury, a half-strength Beason, the loss of Cruz have all prevented us from vying for the top, plain and simple..So PLEASE stop this unfounded bullshit
Just because ESPN tells you Dallas has nobody on defense,  
Go Terps : 10/20/2014 1:18 pm : link
doesn't actually make it so.

It's funny...the Dallas defense was awful last year. So they change some of the players that contributed to that awfulness and for some reason we expected them to be awful again. Give credit where it's due...they played better and have been playing well for a few games now.

And if you think Coughlin and Fewell are coaching players to blow assignments or fumble the ball I don't know what to tell you. They were also coaching Donnell to catch the 3 TDs in Washington back when everyone was hopping on his dick so fast he needed a bandwagon built on it.

For the fruit flies calling for more passing in a sustained two minute-type offense, I have two questions:

1. Did you watch the game in Philly?
2. Why do you hate Eli so much that you want to see him injured?

Go back and watch the play selection on plays where the opponent knows a pass is likely. You'll see pitches to Peyton Hillis and quick passes over the middle to a tight end. The coaches don't trust the OL to sustain their pass blocks for very long, let alone in a continuous two minute all pass offense.

Sometimes you watch the games and the ideas some espouse on this site make you wonder if you're losing your mind or living in some alternate reality.
Loss of talent  
NewBlue : 10/20/2014 1:19 pm : link
In the secondary:

Thurmond
Will Hill
McBride
A dinged up DRC

Lb's:

Beason

OL:

Schwartz

RB:

Wilson
Jennings

WR:

Cruz


I can't speak accurately with regard to other teams issues, but year after year we lose multiple key players, not for a short time, but for long periods of time or an entire year.
Now we have only played 7 games this year and already we are down 6 or 7 very key contributors.

What happened to the "Injuries are a cancer" comment from years ago
RE: Blaming any of the coaches for yesterday's loss  
David in LA : 10/20/2014 1:21 pm : link
In comment 11931732 Go Terps said:
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is completely missing the picture.

Dallas has better players, and those players won.


If anything, this loss was ultimately determined by who made more mistakes. We were in the Dallas territory 5 times and got out of at least FG position due to penalties and a fumble.
necessary evil  
area junc : 10/20/2014 1:21 pm : link
we were using the run game to keep the pass pro solid. lots of run action to slow the rush down.

coughlin knows he does not have the OL or mobility at QB to drop back 50 times. he is not going to say it publicly
RE: Must we have this fucking conversation after every loss or two?  
BlueHurricane : 10/20/2014 1:25 pm : link
In comment 11931812 Big Blue '56 said:
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Can you stop it already?

A strong secondary that suddenly thinned out due to injury, a killer Jennings injury, a half-strength Beason, the loss of Cruz have all prevented us from vying for the top, plain and simple..So PLEASE stop this unfounded bullshit


Are you talking to me? If so please name me five Dallas defensive starters off the top of your head. You can't. The reason they are not the laughing stock they should be is coaching.
I think we all get the necessity of the illusion or threat of the run  
SHO'NUFF : 10/20/2014 1:26 pm : link
but what we saw the last two weeks were borderline obsessive...
The thing that is difficult to understand  
JoefromPa : 10/20/2014 1:26 pm : link
is that after Prince's interception in the first half, on first down they went immediately to the air and scored.

Down 14- 28 they abandoned the run and scored easily.

I get trying to establish the run, and I get thinking it will eventually work. But don't you get to a point in a game where you just do what you have to, to win and go back to your game plan next week?

He is a great coach, don't want to see him dismissed, but he can be stubborn.
RE: Just because ESPN tells you Dallas has nobody on defense,  
BlueHurricane : 10/20/2014 1:27 pm : link
In comment 11931813 Go Terps said:
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doesn't actually make it so.

It's funny...the Dallas defense was awful last year. So they change some of the players that contributed to that awfulness and for some reason we expected them to be awful again. Give credit where it's due...they played better and have been playing well for a few games now.

And if you think Coughlin and Fewell are coaching players to blow assignments or fumble the ball I don't know what to tell you. They were also coaching Donnell to catch the 3 TDs in Washington back when everyone was hopping on his dick so fast he needed a bandwagon built on it.

For the fruit flies calling for more passing in a sustained two minute-type offense, I have two questions:

1. Did you watch the game in Philly?
2. Why do you hate Eli so much that you want to see him injured?

Go back and watch the play selection on plays where the opponent knows a pass is likely. You'll see pitches to Peyton Hillis and quick passes over the middle to a tight end. The coaches don't trust the OL to sustain their pass blocks for very long, let alone in a continuous two minute all pass offense.

Sometimes you watch the games and the ideas some espouse on this site make you wonder if you're losing your mind or living in some alternate reality.


What was happening in the Eagles game was not happening yesterday. Not for one second. We were pass protecting very well. I am not saying we should have abandoned the run in the first half but in the third quarter it needed to be less balanced.
RE: RE: Must we have this fucking conversation after every loss or two?  
Big Blue '56 : 10/20/2014 1:38 pm : link
In comment 11931847 BlueHurricane said:
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In comment 11931812 Big Blue '56 said:


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Can you stop it already?

A strong secondary that suddenly thinned out due to injury, a killer Jennings injury, a half-strength Beason, the loss of Cruz have all prevented us from vying for the top, plain and simple..So PLEASE stop this unfounded bullshit



Are you talking to me? If so please name me five Dallas defensive starters off the top of your head. You can't. The reason they are not the laughing stock they should be is coaching.


You think their D is responsible for their 6-1 record? I mean seriously? They've played well enough to support a virtually unstoppable Offense(as of now) that has allowed Romo to make less mistakes..Murray is a huge reason why they're 6-1..He gives them a dimension that an already offensively talented Dallas O hasn't had in quite awhile..If Murray goes down, they are as fucked as we've been with HJ out..Murray allows much less threes and out which gives their D much rest so they can be reasonably fresh in the 4th qtr..

Murray goes down and suddenly Garrett and Marinelli aren't as terrific..
I think Marinelli has done a good job  
Matt M. : 10/20/2014 1:44 pm : link
But, I think he is getting a little too much credit. This D is still nothing special. The biggest reason their D is getting a lot of mention this year is on the other side of the ball. Their OL has not just been good, but dominant. It has allowed Murray to play very clean (not a lot big hits, especially at the line) and the same for Romo.
This insistence on "balance" is bordering on stubborness  
oipolloi : 10/20/2014 1:49 pm : link
No one is suggesting "abandoning" the run or throwing all the time.

They are suggesting a better mix of run and pass, such as occurred during the three-game winning streak.

Jennings got injured and Coughlin went back to his power-run gameplan. He should just let BM run the offense. It is not effective to take the ball out of Eli and the receivers hands and put it in the much less-talented hands of Andre Williams.

There is a reason Odell was drafted in the first round and Williams in the 4th round. In today's NFL, Odell is the much more valuable player. But not on the Giants. Williams had 18 carries and 3 targets. That is not winning football. The kid is not a starting caliber RB at this point. And he is getting 40% of the plays in the offense? Sorry, that's just not good offensive gameplanning. Maybe agst a team that you expect to beat like the Jaguars. But not against Philly and Dallas.
I don't know, maybe I am oldschool  
SB : 10/20/2014 1:51 pm : link
...but I didn't mind all the running. In the first series, I think the idea was to get the line some confidence, since for most OLmen run blocking is easier than pass blocking. Later, I felt like they were trying to grind down the DL for some bigger gains late.

Unfortunately, I think this line proved they are just not good at run blocking. And so long as Jerry and Walton are in there, I don't see a lot of improvement on the horizon.
RE: Must we have this fucking conversation after every loss or two?  
oldutican : 10/20/2014 1:56 pm : link
In comment 11931812 Big Blue '56 said:
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Can you stop it already?

A strong secondary that suddenly thinned out due to injury, a killer Jennings injury, a half-strength Beason, the loss of Cruz have all prevented us from vying for the top, plain and simple..So PLEASE stop this unfounded bullshit


Please STOP lecturing everybody. The Giants haven't beaten a good team since the 49er game in Oct. 2012. This group healthy got whipped by the Lions and blew game to Cards. The Eagles anticipated what our offense was going to run. Yesterday, TC (don't pass buck to his assistant) kept running with zero success cause he has to have "balance." And do you think only NYG has injuries?
SB  
Matt M. : 10/20/2014 2:03 pm : link
There is nothing wrong with wanting to establish the run or trying to do so in order to wear down a D. However, when that strategy is repeatedly putting you on 3rd and 7 or more, you need to abandon it. 3 and out is not wearing down a D.
We win this game easy  
bignygfan : 10/20/2014 2:30 pm : link
if we outrush the Cowboys.

That is fact. But the fact is that didn't come close to happening.

So why is that? We both ran it about the same amount of times. They ran it better. If we run it better, we win.
Do you think that is a scheme issue that they ran it better? I don't.
RE: We win this game easy  
Joe in Cambridge : 10/20/2014 3:15 pm : link
In comment 11932056 bignygfan said:
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if we outrush the Cowboys.

That is fact. But the fact is that didn't come close to happening.

So why is that? We both ran it about the same amount of times. They ran it better. If we run it better, we win.
Do you think that is a scheme issue that they ran it better? I don't.
Running the football isn't the only way to win a football game. In today's NFL, teams have had success passing the ball way more than they run it.
RE: Must we have this fucking conversation after every loss or two?  
bluesince56 : 10/20/2014 3:37 pm : link
In comment 11931812 Big Blue '56 said:
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Can you stop it already?

A strong secondary that suddenly thinned out due to injury, a killer Jennings injury, a half-strength Beason, the loss of Cruz have all prevented us from vying for the top, plain and simple..So PLEASE stop this unfounded bullshit


Four out of five years no playoffs. This year doesn't look much better. Don't blame this year on injuries. This coaching staff has worn out its welcome. Time to move on. Keep in mind that even in the Super Bowl runs TC was on the verve of being fired. This is nothing new.
T C will have a lifetime position with the Giants  
spike : 10/20/2014 3:41 pm : link
if he wishes. But I think he has 5 years max in him, so I dont think John Mara will fire him.
RE: Blaming any of the coaches for yesterday's loss  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/20/2014 3:43 pm : link
In comment 11931732 Go Terps said:
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is completely missing the picture.

Dallas has better players, and those players won.


It would one thing if this wasn't an every game occurance I would agree with you, but there is certainly enough evidence over the past 3 years and more that this is not the case.

Our defense has sucked for years. How we ever beat New England is beyond me (Personally I think we had the right players at the time to go against their weaknesses, not so much the great Perry Fewell coaching). They guy can't get our D off the field.

Our offense is certainly headed in the right direction. A few more guys on the line and I think we are there.
RE: Just because ESPN tells you Dallas has nobody on defense,  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/20/2014 3:45 pm : link
In comment 11931813 Go Terps said:
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doesn't actually make it so.

It's funny...the Dallas defense was awful last year. So they change some of the players that contributed to that awfulness and for some reason we expected them to be awful again. Give credit where it's due...they played better and have been playing well for a few games now.

And if you think Coughlin and Fewell are coaching players to blow assignments or fumble the ball I don't know what to tell you. They were also coaching Donnell to catch the 3 TDs in Washington back when everyone was hopping on his dick so fast he needed a bandwagon built on it.

For the fruit flies calling for more passing in a sustained two minute-type offense, I have two questions:

1. Did you watch the game in Philly?
2. Why do you hate Eli so much that you want to see him injured?

Go back and watch the play selection on plays where the opponent knows a pass is likely. You'll see pitches to Peyton Hillis and quick passes over the middle to a tight end. The coaches don't trust the OL to sustain their pass blocks for very long, let alone in a continuous two minute all pass offense.

Sometimes you watch the games and the ideas some espouse on this site make you wonder if you're losing your mind or living in some alternate reality.


Oh and the reason they aren't nearly as terrible is because they have been running the ball and keeping him off the defense off the field. They are giving up 6 yards a play just like last year, they just aren't on the field nearly as much as they used to be.
1 huge issue that TC, and TC alone, has to be held accountable for...  
GloryDayz : 10/20/2014 4:01 pm : link
INCONSISTENCY.

If the team is consistently bad, you can say they dont have the talent. There's only so much any coach can do.

But if the team can play at a high level, even against solid competition, and then they have major let downs, a question has to be asked.. If the team can play that good in some games (not 1 or 2 aberrations), why cant they maintain the same level? That IMO is on the HC.

I will continue to support TC, we know he can win it all, and there are no guarantees the next coach can. But the inconsistencies will be a major blemish on TC's record no matter what.
RE: 1 huge issue that TC, and TC alone, has to be held accountable for...  
spike : 10/20/2014 4:02 pm : link
In comment 11932338 GloryDayz said:
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INCONSISTENCY.

If the team is consistently bad, you can say they dont have the talent. There's only so much any coach can do.

But if the team can play at a high level, even against solid competition, and then they have major let downs, a question has to be asked.. If the team can play that good in some games (not 1 or 2 aberrations), why cant they maintain the same level? That IMO is on the HC.

I will continue to support TC, we know he can win it all, and there are no guarantees the next coach can. But the inconsistencies will be a major blemish on TC's record no matter what.



Well they consistently look BAD against good teams and consistently look GOOD against average to bad teams. That's what average to below average teams do.

At least we aren't the Raiders.
RE: Fewell is not  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/20/2014 4:09 pm : link
In comment 11931811 area junc said:
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an NFL-calibre Defensive Coordinator IMO. have said it from the get-go: he does not have the comprehensive pressure packages u need at this level.

look at marinelli: another coach who is known to be conservative, Tampa 2 guy: but he mixes in plenty of blitzing. He's still aggressive. As is Leslie Frazier, Lovie Smith etc. u have 2 do more than 4-man rush in the NFL


He's a NFL level coordinator. Just not a very good one. They could have upgraded and hired Marinelli or Ray Horton when those top tier DCs became available. They aren't interested. They would rather watch their team give up 3 rd and forevers every year. It's not even odd when a DB totally blows av coverage like Div 2 college ball anymore.
RE: RE: 1 huge issue that TC, and TC alone, has to be held accountable for...  
GloryDayz : 10/20/2014 4:31 pm : link
In comment 11932345 spike said:
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In comment 11932338 GloryDayz said:


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INCONSISTENCY.

If the team is consistently bad, you can say they dont have the talent. There's only so much any coach can do.

But if the team can play at a high level, even against solid competition, and then they have major let downs, a question has to be asked.. If the team can play that good in some games (not 1 or 2 aberrations), why cant they maintain the same level? That IMO is on the HC.

I will continue to support TC, we know he can win it all, and there are no guarantees the next coach can. But the inconsistencies will be a major blemish on TC's record no matter what.




Well they consistently look BAD against good teams and consistently look GOOD against average to bad teams. That's what average to below average teams do.

At least we aren't the Raiders.


2014 so far..
Lost 27-0 in Philly

In 2013..
Lost 38-0 to Carolina
Lost 31-7 to KC
Lost 23-7 to Minny
Lost 23-0 to Seattle
Lost 37-14 to SD
Lost 20-6 to Skins

Average to below average teams can put up if only just a fight before they lose... those games dont reflect average to below average performances.
don't forget what started it all  
SHO'NUFF : 10/20/2014 5:35 pm : link
Cincinnati and Atlanta in 2012
He's got to go.....its just time  
JAKK777 : 10/20/2014 5:40 pm : link
Thnaks for the memories Tom but you could not psych a mouse up to eat cheese
RE: don't forget what started it all  
GloryDayz : 10/20/2014 6:06 pm : link
In comment 11932541 SHO'NUFF said:
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Cincinnati and Atlanta in 2012


Last 6 games in 2012...

38-10 vs Packers
16-17 vs Skins
52-27 vs Saints
0-34 vs Falcons
14-33 vs Ravens
42-7 vs Eagles

That stretch is beyond inconsistent, its mind-boggling.
RE: Fewell is not  
gmen1234 : 10/20/2014 6:52 pm : link
In comment 11931811 area junc said:
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an NFL-calibre Defensive Coordinator IMO. have said it from the get-go: he does not have the comprehensive pressure packages u need at this level.

look at marinelli: another coach who is known to be conservative, Tampa 2 guy: but he mixes in plenty of blitzing. He's still aggressive. As is Leslie Frazier, Lovie Smith etc. u have 2 do more than 4-man rush in the NFL



I'm sick of hearing this bullshit. They were a top 10 defense in 2010. Won the SUPERBOWL in 2011. 2012 was inconsistent. THey were good last year. They had terrible field position a lot from turnovers. He may not blitz as much as people want but holy fuck. The Giants FO knows more than you people.
BlueHurricane..another great point you made.....  
Blue21 : 10/20/2014 7:14 pm : link
I think the reporters need to do a better job of clarifying hurry up and no huddle. There is a difference and the hurry up is what was working.

Absolutely. This offense has slowed down. They may be in no huddle but they are not in hurry up.
Exactly  
BlueHurricane : 10/20/2014 9:13 pm : link
Yesterday Eli was continuously up against the play clock. That is not when this offense works. It works when he is moving at a flying pace and snapping the ball with between 5-10 seconds on the play clock.
RE: A final thing I would like to add  
Great White Ghost : 10/20/2014 9:18 pm : link
In comment 11931723 BlueHurricane said:
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Dallas has shown that by adding competent assistants you can turn a team around. Is Garrett all of a sudden a better head coach? Doubt it.


I really think this team needed to ax Fewell and Quinn last year instead of just going half ass and only addressing the offense. Give Coughlin a really good D Cord and ST coach and he would most likely succeed.
why did they NEED to? seriously? Even assuming everything you say is truem which it isn't, who is it you think they let get away that was going to come in and do a better job?if you had even the SLIGHTEST fucking hope of MacAdoo becoming an HC for the Giants that was never gonna happen without him serving as a coordinator somewhere, he simply wasn't ready.

So my real question is, and answer it, Who is it you think we let get away that you needed to get in here to coach for the next 10 years?I say fuckin noone.You think it's possible it's a matter of stupid players as opposed to "the message not getting through.Your position TC has lost the ability to communicate effectively with his players is BS. I can sit a german sheppard in a calculus class, if he can't pass the exam after don't mean the teacher sucked.

He has shit for personnel at the end of the day. Too many injuries, this year and over the last few years, to many bad draft choices, to many draft choices spent on making up for those lost early to injury.Anyone outside the fanbase sees the talent isn't there.You want to think a coaching change fixes this,it doesn't.Meanwhile if you gave TC SF's or Seattles roster I don't doubt he'd win another championship.

Your points about assistants and other coaches I agree with.
RE: @Hurricane  
Great White Ghost : 10/20/2014 9:21 pm : link
In comment 11931742 shabu said:
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Hey Hurricane, I agree with most of your post. I still want TC as our coach, but yes there are some troubling patterns:

In particular this one really drives me nuts:

1) He harps on fundamentals and turnovers yet we constantly kill ourselves with failures on both parts. I fear his message is not getting through. I watch these games waiting for the other shoe to drop and most often it does.

You think Donell fumbles because he doesn't hear what TC says?You think those balls were on the ground because Larry couldn't be arsed listening to his HC? He's a noob that got schooled, that's all.Had shit to do with what Tom said or didn't say.
What was being discussed was the troubling pattern of recurring issues  
BlueHurricane : 10/20/2014 9:31 pm : link
But go ahead and cherry pick one thing to try to make a point.

You would have to be a fool not see that there is a recurring theme to many of the issues that plague this team. Things that our head coach preaches as priorities. Jumping offsides, Critical holding calls, 12 men in the huddle, blocked punts, huge returns, killer tunrovers.
RE: What was being discussed was the troubling pattern of recurring issues  
Great White Ghost : 10/21/2014 10:32 am : link
In comment 11932897 BlueHurricane said:
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But go ahead and cherry pick one thing to try to make a point.

You would have to be a fool not see that there is a recurring theme to many of the issues that plague this team. Things that our head coach preaches as priorities. Jumping offsides, Critical holding calls, 12 men in the huddle, blocked punts, huge returns, killer tunrovers.
Meh, Like I said to Pjcas in another thread, I may be singing another tune in December, I'm not there with him yet. I just don't see who it was that we should have gotten in here instead, It's better to leave him in place till they have who they want lined up for the long term.they aren't going to get a short termer in here who is gonna improve things, and I don't think the long term answer was available, or developed, as the case may be, last offseason. Who knows, MacAdoo may be that guy in another year, maybe 2, but he wasn't that guy this spring, and I feel it's just as well he learns what he can from TC for now.It's not Ideal but I wasn't keen on any other names I heard floated last offseason, and I did look.Lets see how the season plays out, is my attitude, and see who's arounbd after that, and where we are, whether we can afford to have MacAdoo get another year under TC in, or whether the team is dead and we might be forced to hire s New HC who may not even want Mac, or any current staff or players. I dont think we are at that point yet, myself.
RE: Blaming any of the coaches for yesterday's loss  
River Mike : 10/21/2014 11:29 am : link
In comment 11931732 Go Terps said:
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is completely missing the picture.

Dallas has better players, and those players won.


Two things ... Dallas does have better players, it doesn't mean we had no chance to win.

Two things factor into a good outcome, talented players and good scheme that puts players in the best possible situations to succeed. Which do you think is the fastest and easiest factor to change for the better?
Coughlin is a bit stubborn  
djm : 10/21/2014 11:35 am : link
but his philosophy works. He likes to win the war more than the battle. maybe the Giants would be better off airing it out 67 times a game right now but that teams always falls short in the end.
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