But again, the play itself, in terms of what we ask our kids to do, it was pretty clear what happened on the play: Florida State blew the coverage and they got rewarded for it. It's unfortunate.
that's about a blatant an OPI as you'll see. #20 just blocks the DB.
It's unfortunate for ND because the DB sure as hell didn't look like he was going to even cover the WR going to the flat, but that was definitely a penalty.
is such a judgment call by the officials, but they ran a similar play on Corey Robinson's first TD and they didn't throw the flag on that one.
I think the bigger question is... if it was FSU driving for the GW score and they ran a similar play would the officials have thrown the flag there? I think we all know the answer to that one...
that's about a blatant an OPI as you'll see. #20 just blocks the DB.
It's unfortunate for ND because the DB sure as hell didn't look like he was going to even cover the WR going to the flat, but that was definitely a penalty.
#20 was being held by the DB. If you watch the play when he gets into the endzone he tries to turn around as if he's an option on the route.
Nice to see the coach is as whiny as their fanboy base
but it was also OPI. I don't expect the ND homers to agree, but any rational person who knows the game of football (and the rules) knew it was OPI immediately.
that's about a blatant an OPI as you'll see. #20 just blocks the DB.
It's unfortunate for ND because the DB sure as hell didn't look like he was going to even cover the WR going to the flat, but that was definitely a penalty.
If you watch the replay the DB #8 jams and holds the WR....right hand is clearly pulling on #20 jersey.
You can make a case for #7 interfering but he never really engages the DB on the edge. He more or less just gets in the way.
To me the ND coach is right on with what he said. I also think they need to teach the Wrs to turn around and act like they're trying to look for a pass.
for a blown coverage, no one on FSU was ever attempting to cover Robinson so no one actually got interfered with trying to defend him.
Letter of the law it was a penalty. I don't have a huge problem with throwing the flag, I have a huge problem with not throwing the flag also on Ramsey for holding Prosise right at the snap which he clearly did and also conveniently missing #26 taking off his helmet in the field of play and slamming it to the ground. If you want to call things by the book on a play like that, then do it on both sides.
Zero problem with that touchdown not counting, but ND deserved to have the ball at worst on the 9 yard line first and goal with 13 seconds left.
The refs missed the call on the previous score, this time they didn't. All #20 had to do run his pattern and Robinson was going to be open for the score.
That said, Kelly called a great game offensively and they had a great shot to win based on his coaching.
for a blown coverage, no one on FSU was ever attempting to cover Robinson so no one actually got interfered with trying to defend him.
Letter of the law it was a penalty. I don't have a huge problem with throwing the flag, I have a huge problem with not throwing the flag also on Ramsey for holding Prosise right at the snap which he clearly did and also conveniently missing #26 taking off his helmet in the field of play and slamming it to the ground. If you want to call things by the book on a play like that, then do it on both sides.
Zero problem with that touchdown not counting, but ND deserved to have the ball at worst on the 9 yard line first and goal with 13 seconds left.
This I agree with. Kelly should have focused more on the bad call that was missed, the FSU player taking the helmet off, than the good OPI call that even Holtz said was right
For one thing, you almost NEVER see it, and teams run that exact play a dozen times per game.
Secondly, the FSU defender initiated contact as much as the ND receiver did. He was in tight coverage, and that was as much of a jam as it was a block by the WR. What's the receiver supposed to do there, fall down?
And once the DB is engaged with the WR, he's NEVER getting out into the flat area to defend the pass. That's a call made by an official who was looking to throw a flag.
anyone else see the head referee say directly to the back judge "are you sure you want to make that call" when he came to him with the penalty, almost like he was saying we never call that and you want to call it now
it was a penalty, but to me, it's like holding. You can call holding on almost every play if you go by the letter of the law. That type of play is run all over the field and it's rarely called. Picking a 4th down play to throw the flag on a GW TD, to me, is wrong.
As I said... if it was going the other way I doubt it gets called.
so I guess I might be biased but I think ND got screwed all around on that play. Guy takes off his helmet, FSU DB holds the guy, and ND loses a Touchdown. It's a tough break.
That said the coach shouldn't be saying this crap publicly. He should bring it up privately and raise hell but using the media comes off as him being a whiny little bitch. It doesn't do his team or anyone any good to raise hell publicly. It's not like this is going to endear referees to him in the future or change the game's outcome.
Every team has some bogus calls go their way and some bogus calls against them.
has a strong political background. His father was an alderman and he worked for a Massachusetts senator. He knows what he's doing by going public with this. He's not an idiot.
Kelly knows by the book it was a flag but he's going to bat for his kids and wants them to believe they got screwed. And he also knows that play is rarely ever called and i think thats what he's most pissed about, it's never a penalty and then all of a sudden its a penalty with 15 seconds to go. I just want consistency.
The FSU players reactions were to bitch at each other, not to look for a flag. They didn't think a flag was coming because they know that is rarely ever called.
It sucks, but have to move on. ND needs to take it out on the rest of their opponents and give the committee no choice but to put them in the playoff. It will not be a cake walk to 11-1 for ND, that AZ State game is going to be a bitch as will the USC game, both on the road. Louisville at home wont be a picnic either. Win out and state your case
This is Kelly posturing for the glut of 1 loss teams that could be looking for a vote to be in the playoffs. A loss to #2 FSU at FSU on a controversial call is on helluva "good" loss as far as resumes go. He's a public spokesman for the team, it makes sense that he bring attention to it.
As far as the penalty itself, I had to watch it 10 times before I could tell. No doubt FSU blew the coverage. It was a penalty. Did the referee see it clear enough to change the outcome of the game? Possibly, but in my biased opinion the flag should have never come out.
But Kelly isn't whining, he's politicking, it's pretty obvious...
is how when Jameis Winston adjusted at the half and started going over the middle Van Goerder didn't adjust his playcalling to offset that.
I understand that the attacking, blitz heavy stuff was working in the first half, and FSU couldn't run the ball at all. However... he needed to mix it up in the 2nd half and to me he didn't do that. He just kept bringing the heat and Winston was picking them apart.
Picking a 4th down play to throw the flag on a GW TD, to me, is wrong.
Well if it is a penalty, wouldn't calling it at that time be the right time to call it? Why would you reward team X by ignoring an illegal play?
Yes they ran it earlier several times. Got called once too for holding. Also got a TD. That was a nice play, and not as blatant as this play.
Problem on this play was Fuller driving his guy almost out of the endzone; he held the "pick" too long, I suppose.
The future is very, very bright. 2012 was a fluke year, they won a shit load of close, low scoring games. They didnt have the speed to compete with the big boys, now they do and they are only going to get better. Are they the best team in the country? Absolutely not, but they are incredibly young and can compete with anyone
The future is very, very bright. 2012 was a fluke year, they won a shit load of close, low scoring games. They didnt have the speed to compete with the big boys, now they do and they are only going to get better. Are they the best team in the country? Absolutely not, but they are incredibly young and can compete with anyone
From an NFL perspective Folston, Fuller and Smith, the LB are especially good and I pray one of them ends up in blue when they declare for the draft
Picking a 4th down play to throw the flag on a GW TD, to me, is wrong.
Well if it is a penalty, wouldn't calling it at that time be the right time to call it? Why would you reward team X by ignoring an illegal play?
Yes they ran it earlier several times. Got called once too for holding. Also got a TD. That was a nice play, and not as blatant as this play.
Problem on this play was Fuller driving his guy almost out of the endzone; he held the "pick" too long, I suppose.
Fuller could have played it better but his "guy" also was never making any attempt to cover anyone besides Fuller. His guy actually went inside with him when Fuller jumped inside
The coaches always have and always will do the politicking as long as a system is in place where politicking is needed
Mook, I am of the opinion that a head coach is a figurehead of a team and leads by example. There are thousands upon thousands of fans and biased and unbiased analysts, media, and writers that will push the cause.
You picked out everything Kelly said in the article within minutes of the play occuring. He didn't need to go public, it was already common knowledge as every ND fan made damn sure of.
that they were lucky to even be in the game, which i would say is as far from the truth as possible. They pushed Florida State around, owned both lines of scrimmage. Winston played a brilliant 2nd half and gave FSU a shot to win, and so did Notre Dame's own mistakes in the first half, like not stretching the ball out on 4th and 1, fumbling a snap on 4th and 1.
one who thinks Notre Dame should have beaten FSU but should have loss to Stanford? Not that I believe things cancel each other out, but they were worlds better against FSU, who is a much better team than Stanford.
he absolutely said to him are you sure you want to call this right now...
Question did the flag come from the Back judge, Line judge or umpire? if it came from the back judge i absolutely have a problem with it...that is a call that should come from either the line judge or the umpire...
Also i know it is only high school but it still applies here..i used to work with this referee and before every game he would say the same thing....Remember when your out there and your about to throw a flag, make sure it is a penalty worth throwing, make sure you see the entire play do i not see the back end of the play and assume what happened and most of all do not make yourself part of the game, every one came ehre to see the players on the field not us do not make yourself part of the game UNLESS a player's safety is put in danger and it is an obvious call...t
That is my biggest problem with officials nowadays in all sports they want to make themselves part of the game..they have to have an impact somewhere if there are no flags thrown they have to throw one otherwise they get bored or feel they are not part of the game...Joey Crawford in the NBA is the biggest cuplrit of this in the NBA he always has to do something so people start talking about him rather than the game...
My question for the people saying it is the correct call and they had to make it...if that was FSU and they scored on that play in the same fashion and the home crowd is going nuts does that official throw the flag?
one who thinks Notre Dame should have beaten FSU but should have loss to Stanford? Not that I believe things cancel each other out, but they were worlds better against FSU, who is a much better team than Stanford.
The weather kept Stanford in that game. It was fucking miserable between the cold, rain, and wind.
I know they needed that final drive to win, but they outgained them nearly 2-1 and fucked up 2 field goal holds and turned it over inside their own 10 yard line. Good weather that game isn't close, Stanford is mediocre at best this year and it starts right with their garbage quarterback
one who thinks Notre Dame should have beaten FSU but should have loss to Stanford? Not that I believe things cancel each other out, but they were worlds better against FSU, who is a much better team than Stanford.
ND outgained Stanford 2 to 1 in that game. Rain related kicking mishaps and turnover kept Stanford in it. ND was nontheless fortunate to escape with a win due to a big drive at the end of the game.
Picking a 4th down play to throw the flag on a GW TD, to me, is wrong.
Well if it is a penalty, wouldn't calling it at that time be the right time to call it? Why would you reward team X by ignoring an illegal play?
Yes they ran it earlier several times. Got called once too for holding. Also got a TD. That was a nice play, and not as blatant as this play.
Problem on this play was Fuller driving his guy almost out of the endzone; he held the "pick" too long, I suppose.
Fuller could have played it better but his "guy" also was never making any attempt to cover anyone besides Fuller. His guy actually went inside with him when Fuller jumped inside
So that I was certain in what I saw I rewatched the play several times. Prosise immediately on contact with Ramsey drops his right shoulder into Ramsey and drives him to the inside - Ramsey is not holding. Darby, over Fuller, backpedals a couple steps then tries to step inside toward Robinson and Fuller engages and blocks him toward the back of the endzone; PJ Williams is sprinting toward the sidline but obviously can't get through the forementioned match ups. I'm not sure who should have had Robinson - probably Darby since he actually tries to cut to the inside of Fuller, but the way Williams is sprinting to the sideline, it might be him too.
After re-watching today, I think the PI is more obvious than I originally thought. I think Fuller didn't even need to engage Darby as he reacted too slowly to get to Robinson. Had Fuller stopped as if on a button hook, he impedes Darby enough that Robinson scores untouched.
didn't just react slowly to get Robinson, he never reacted in any way that would signal he was trying to cover Robinson. Before Fuller ever makes contact with him, Darby steps inside to cut Fuller's route off, he was clearly covering Fuller and never making an attempt to play Robinson. My guess is Darby is the one who screwed it up, and all 3 were arguing immediately after the play as if someone screwed the coverage up.
The first guys was held/jammed at the LOS, the other receiver comes over and looks like he's clearly blocking to open the flat. That act kinda makes it look like the TE is blocking as well, despite it being the defender instigating contact.
I think that's OPI and defensive holding, but I see why the call was OPI... on first glance it looked like a designed pick play. Tough break for ND.
RE: RE: As much as the ending Saturday night sucked
The future is very, very bright. 2012 was a fluke year, they won a shit load of close, low scoring games. They didnt have the speed to compete with the big boys, now they do and they are only going to get better. Are they the best team in the country? Absolutely not, but they are incredibly young and can compete with anyone
From an NFL perspective Folston, Fuller and Smith, the LB are especially good and I pray one of them ends up in blue when they declare for the draft
Not to mention Greg Bryant who is a true sophomore, Nyles Morgan is a true Freshman, Isaac Rochell is a true sophomore... lots of good young players.
he absolutely said to him are you sure you want to call this right now...
Question did the flag come from the Back judge, Line judge or umpire? if it came from the back judge i absolutely have a problem with it...that is a call that should come from either the line judge or the umpire...
Also i know it is only high school but it still applies here..i used to work with this referee and before every game he would say the same thing....Remember when your out there and your about to throw a flag, make sure it is a penalty worth throwing, make sure you see the entire play do i not see the back end of the play and assume what happened and most of all do not make yourself part of the game, every one came ehre to see the players on the field not us do not make yourself part of the game UNLESS a player's safety is put in danger and it is an obvious call...t
That is my biggest problem with officials nowadays in all sports they want to make themselves part of the game..they have to have an impact somewhere if there are no flags thrown they have to throw one otherwise they get bored or feel they are not part of the game...Joey Crawford in the NBA is the biggest cuplrit of this in the NBA he always has to do something so people start talking about him rather than the game...
My question for the people saying it is the correct call and they had to make it...if that was FSU and they scored on that play in the same fashion and the home crowd is going nuts does that official throw the flag?
This has been my gripe, 16. If that was FSU that's a GW TD and the legend of Jameis Winston grows.
Since Notre Dame fans are complaining about the call in the FSU game can we bring up the roughing the snapper call in the North Carolina game that probably cost them the game. Talk about lobbying for a call Kelly even said he told the ref before that play to watch the center they have been hitting him all day. And if you watch the play the center hikes the ball looks up and then looks back down.
the replay and didn't see Ramsey holding? He was the one who initiated contact with Prosise.
Ramsey isn't holding here?
No watch the play not a still - you can freeze a frame that will show anything. I really re-watched the play several times expecting to see and agree with you on the possibilty of a hold, but after seeing it slow-mo, as they engage Ramsey does have his hand up, but it is pretty quickly moved and then Prosise drops his right shoulder into Ramsey's pads and starts driving. I did expect to see a hold, but the more I watched the more I thought both Prosise and Fuller did a poor job disguising the play - way to agressive.
I'm going to disengage on this topic as I think it will only lead to hard feelings.
The future is bright again at ND. I think they will finish the season well and move into next season as a preseason Top 5 (as long as Everett Golson stays) and the haters will be out again in full force.
It's unfortunate for ND because the DB sure as hell didn't look like he was going to even cover the WR going to the flat, but that was definitely a penalty.
I think the bigger question is... if it was FSU driving for the GW score and they ran a similar play would the officials have thrown the flag there? I think we all know the answer to that one...
It's unfortunate for ND because the DB sure as hell didn't look like he was going to even cover the WR going to the flat, but that was definitely a penalty.
#20 was being held by the DB. If you watch the play when he gets into the endzone he tries to turn around as if he's an option on the route.
With that being said, Brian Kelly is a bitch.
It's unfortunate for ND because the DB sure as hell didn't look like he was going to even cover the WR going to the flat, but that was definitely a penalty.
You can make a case for #7 interfering but he never really engages the DB on the edge. He more or less just gets in the way.
To me the ND coach is right on with what he said. I also think they need to teach the Wrs to turn around and act like they're trying to look for a pass.
Letter of the law it was a penalty. I don't have a huge problem with throwing the flag, I have a huge problem with not throwing the flag also on Ramsey for holding Prosise right at the snap which he clearly did and also conveniently missing #26 taking off his helmet in the field of play and slamming it to the ground. If you want to call things by the book on a play like that, then do it on both sides.
Zero problem with that touchdown not counting, but ND deserved to have the ball at worst on the 9 yard line first and goal with 13 seconds left.
That said, Kelly called a great game offensively and they had a great shot to win based on his coaching.
Letter of the law it was a penalty. I don't have a huge problem with throwing the flag, I have a huge problem with not throwing the flag also on Ramsey for holding Prosise right at the snap which he clearly did and also conveniently missing #26 taking off his helmet in the field of play and slamming it to the ground. If you want to call things by the book on a play like that, then do it on both sides.
Zero problem with that touchdown not counting, but ND deserved to have the ball at worst on the 9 yard line first and goal with 13 seconds left.
This I agree with. Kelly should have focused more on the bad call that was missed, the FSU player taking the helmet off, than the good OPI call that even Holtz said was right
If not one of them saw it, then what the fuck were they all doing?
Kelly is a terrific football coach and that bothers a lot of the ND haters. If ND fans deserve Brian Kelly, then we have it made.
Secondly, the FSU defender initiated contact as much as the ND receiver did. He was in tight coverage, and that was as much of a jam as it was a block by the WR. What's the receiver supposed to do there, fall down?
And once the DB is engaged with the WR, he's NEVER getting out into the flat area to defend the pass. That's a call made by an official who was looking to throw a flag.
As I said... if it was going the other way I doubt it gets called.
That said the coach shouldn't be saying this crap publicly. He should bring it up privately and raise hell but using the media comes off as him being a whiny little bitch. It doesn't do his team or anyone any good to raise hell publicly. It's not like this is going to endear referees to him in the future or change the game's outcome.
Every team has some bogus calls go their way and some bogus calls against them.
If not one of them saw it, then what the fuck were they all doing?
Kelly is a terrific football coach and that bothers a lot of the ND haters. If ND fans deserve Brian Kelly, then we have it made.
He IS a good coach. But he's also a whiny douchebag. Just like their fans.
The FSU players reactions were to bitch at each other, not to look for a flag. They didn't think a flag was coming because they know that is rarely ever called.
It sucks, but have to move on. ND needs to take it out on the rest of their opponents and give the committee no choice but to put them in the playoff. It will not be a cake walk to 11-1 for ND, that AZ State game is going to be a bitch as will the USC game, both on the road. Louisville at home wont be a picnic either. Win out and state your case
This is Kelly posturing for the glut of 1 loss teams that could be looking for a vote to be in the playoffs. A loss to #2 FSU at FSU on a controversial call is on helluva "good" loss as far as resumes go. He's a public spokesman for the team, it makes sense that he bring attention to it.
As far as the penalty itself, I had to watch it 10 times before I could tell. No doubt FSU blew the coverage. It was a penalty. Did the referee see it clear enough to change the outcome of the game? Possibly, but in my biased opinion the flag should have never come out.
But Kelly isn't whining, he's politicking, it's pretty obvious...
The ACC does, however, get their share if Notre Dame ends up in an ACC-affiliated bowl.
Financially, the outcome of the game was a good thing for the ACC.
I understand that the attacking, blitz heavy stuff was working in the first half, and FSU couldn't run the ball at all. However... he needed to mix it up in the 2nd half and to me he didn't do that. He just kept bringing the heat and Winston was picking them apart.
But Kelly isn't whining, he's politicking, it's pretty obvious...
He is a head coach, let the fans and analysts do the politicking.
Thanks for the advice...
Thanks for the advice...
You're very welcome.
Well if it is a penalty, wouldn't calling it at that time be the right time to call it? Why would you reward team X by ignoring an illegal play?
Yes they ran it earlier several times. Got called once too for holding. Also got a TD. That was a nice play, and not as blatant as this play.
Problem on this play was Fuller driving his guy almost out of the endzone; he held the "pick" too long, I suppose.
On Saturday the best players on the field for Notre Dame were
Golson- redshirt junior
Fuller- true sophomore
Robinson- true sophomore
Folston- true sophomore
Jaylon Smith- true sophomore
Jarron Jones- redshirt sophomore
Sheldon Day- true junior
Max Redfield- true sophomore
Cole Luke- true sophomore
Andrew Trumbetti- true freshman
Joe Schmidt- redshirt junior
The future is very, very bright. 2012 was a fluke year, they won a shit load of close, low scoring games. They didnt have the speed to compete with the big boys, now they do and they are only going to get better. Are they the best team in the country? Absolutely not, but they are incredibly young and can compete with anyone
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But Kelly isn't whining, he's politicking, it's pretty obvious...
He is a head coach, let the fans and analysts do the politicking.
The coaches always have and always will do the politicking as long as a system is in place where politicking is needed
On Saturday the best players on the field for Notre Dame were
Golson- redshirt junior
Fuller- true sophomore
Robinson- true sophomore
Folston- true sophomore
Jaylon Smith- true sophomore
Jarron Jones- redshirt sophomore
Sheldon Day- true junior
Max Redfield- true sophomore
Cole Luke- true sophomore
Andrew Trumbetti- true freshman
Joe Schmidt- redshirt junior
The future is very, very bright. 2012 was a fluke year, they won a shit load of close, low scoring games. They didnt have the speed to compete with the big boys, now they do and they are only going to get better. Are they the best team in the country? Absolutely not, but they are incredibly young and can compete with anyone
From an NFL perspective Folston, Fuller and Smith, the LB are especially good and I pray one of them ends up in blue when they declare for the draft
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Picking a 4th down play to throw the flag on a GW TD, to me, is wrong.
Well if it is a penalty, wouldn't calling it at that time be the right time to call it? Why would you reward team X by ignoring an illegal play?
Yes they ran it earlier several times. Got called once too for holding. Also got a TD. That was a nice play, and not as blatant as this play.
Problem on this play was Fuller driving his guy almost out of the endzone; he held the "pick" too long, I suppose.
Fuller could have played it better but his "guy" also was never making any attempt to cover anyone besides Fuller. His guy actually went inside with him when Fuller jumped inside
The coaches always have and always will do the politicking as long as a system is in place where politicking is needed
Mook, I am of the opinion that a head coach is a figurehead of a team and leads by example. There are thousands upon thousands of fans and biased and unbiased analysts, media, and writers that will push the cause.
You picked out everything Kelly said in the article within minutes of the play occuring. He didn't need to go public, it was already common knowledge as every ND fan made damn sure of.
Question did the flag come from the Back judge, Line judge or umpire? if it came from the back judge i absolutely have a problem with it...that is a call that should come from either the line judge or the umpire...
Also i know it is only high school but it still applies here..i used to work with this referee and before every game he would say the same thing....Remember when your out there and your about to throw a flag, make sure it is a penalty worth throwing, make sure you see the entire play do i not see the back end of the play and assume what happened and most of all do not make yourself part of the game, every one came ehre to see the players on the field not us do not make yourself part of the game UNLESS a player's safety is put in danger and it is an obvious call...t
That is my biggest problem with officials nowadays in all sports they want to make themselves part of the game..they have to have an impact somewhere if there are no flags thrown they have to throw one otherwise they get bored or feel they are not part of the game...Joey Crawford in the NBA is the biggest cuplrit of this in the NBA he always has to do something so people start talking about him rather than the game...
My question for the people saying it is the correct call and they had to make it...if that was FSU and they scored on that play in the same fashion and the home crowd is going nuts does that official throw the flag?
The weather kept Stanford in that game. It was fucking miserable between the cold, rain, and wind.
There are two good teams in the Pac 12. Oregon and Arizona State
ND outgained Stanford 2 to 1 in that game. Rain related kicking mishaps and turnover kept Stanford in it. ND was nontheless fortunate to escape with a win due to a big drive at the end of the game.
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Picking a 4th down play to throw the flag on a GW TD, to me, is wrong.
Well if it is a penalty, wouldn't calling it at that time be the right time to call it? Why would you reward team X by ignoring an illegal play?
Yes they ran it earlier several times. Got called once too for holding. Also got a TD. That was a nice play, and not as blatant as this play.
Problem on this play was Fuller driving his guy almost out of the endzone; he held the "pick" too long, I suppose.
Fuller could have played it better but his "guy" also was never making any attempt to cover anyone besides Fuller. His guy actually went inside with him when Fuller jumped inside
So that I was certain in what I saw I rewatched the play several times. Prosise immediately on contact with Ramsey drops his right shoulder into Ramsey and drives him to the inside - Ramsey is not holding. Darby, over Fuller, backpedals a couple steps then tries to step inside toward Robinson and Fuller engages and blocks him toward the back of the endzone; PJ Williams is sprinting toward the sidline but obviously can't get through the forementioned match ups. I'm not sure who should have had Robinson - probably Darby since he actually tries to cut to the inside of Fuller, but the way Williams is sprinting to the sideline, it might be him too.
After re-watching today, I think the PI is more obvious than I originally thought. I think Fuller didn't even need to engage Darby as he reacted too slowly to get to Robinson. Had Fuller stopped as if on a button hook, he impedes Darby enough that Robinson scores untouched.
Ramsey isn't holding here?
I think that's OPI and defensive holding, but I see why the call was OPI... on first glance it looked like a designed pick play. Tough break for ND.
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So much to look forward to both the rest of this season, next season and beyond.
On Saturday the best players on the field for Notre Dame were
Golson- redshirt junior
Fuller- true sophomore
Robinson- true sophomore
Folston- true sophomore
Jaylon Smith- true sophomore
Jarron Jones- redshirt sophomore
Sheldon Day- true junior
Max Redfield- true sophomore
Cole Luke- true sophomore
Andrew Trumbetti- true freshman
Joe Schmidt- redshirt junior
The future is very, very bright. 2012 was a fluke year, they won a shit load of close, low scoring games. They didnt have the speed to compete with the big boys, now they do and they are only going to get better. Are they the best team in the country? Absolutely not, but they are incredibly young and can compete with anyone
From an NFL perspective Folston, Fuller and Smith, the LB are especially good and I pray one of them ends up in blue when they declare for the draft
Not to mention Greg Bryant who is a true sophomore, Nyles Morgan is a true Freshman, Isaac Rochell is a true sophomore... lots of good young players.
Question did the flag come from the Back judge, Line judge or umpire? if it came from the back judge i absolutely have a problem with it...that is a call that should come from either the line judge or the umpire...
Also i know it is only high school but it still applies here..i used to work with this referee and before every game he would say the same thing....Remember when your out there and your about to throw a flag, make sure it is a penalty worth throwing, make sure you see the entire play do i not see the back end of the play and assume what happened and most of all do not make yourself part of the game, every one came ehre to see the players on the field not us do not make yourself part of the game UNLESS a player's safety is put in danger and it is an obvious call...t
That is my biggest problem with officials nowadays in all sports they want to make themselves part of the game..they have to have an impact somewhere if there are no flags thrown they have to throw one otherwise they get bored or feel they are not part of the game...Joey Crawford in the NBA is the biggest cuplrit of this in the NBA he always has to do something so people start talking about him rather than the game...
My question for the people saying it is the correct call and they had to make it...if that was FSU and they scored on that play in the same fashion and the home crowd is going nuts does that official throw the flag?
This has been my gripe, 16. If that was FSU that's a GW TD and the legend of Jameis Winston grows.
Ramsey isn't holding here?
No watch the play not a still - you can freeze a frame that will show anything. I really re-watched the play several times expecting to see and agree with you on the possibilty of a hold, but after seeing it slow-mo, as they engage Ramsey does have his hand up, but it is pretty quickly moved and then Prosise drops his right shoulder into Ramsey's pads and starts driving. I did expect to see a hold, but the more I watched the more I thought both Prosise and Fuller did a poor job disguising the play - way to agressive.
I'm going to disengage on this topic as I think it will only lead to hard feelings.
The future is bright again at ND. I think they will finish the season well and move into next season as a preseason Top 5 (as long as Everett Golson stays) and the haters will be out again in full force.