Agreed. He is already their best OL. That said, I think the number of people who keep looking back at the draft and not selecting him are misguided. It's not like we bombed with our pick. If we had Martin and not Beckham, would our season look significantly better right now? I'm not so sure.
Funny, in the NYDN Hank Gola preview yesterday, the "Scout Says" blurb was that Martin has been a beast, seems to take out "two at a time". You wouldn't have a collapsing middle with him at RG.
Well, maybe a smaller collapse since Walton would probably still be in there. :-)
Agreed. He is already their best OL. That said, I think the number of people who keep looking back at the draft and not selecting him are misguided. It's not like we bombed with our pick. If we had Martin and not Beckham, would our season look significantly better right now? I'm not so sure.
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I'm not looking back. I said it on draft day. I was floored when the Giants passed on him.
If you add up the number of times John Jerry has blown a play and it has killed a drive I imagine you could argue that the Giants could have a significantly better record. Sometimes it's just one block that keeps a drive alive.
was probably the best offensive lineman in the draft. Not unhappy with the Beckham pick as he looks legit, but would have prefered Martin. But Beckham and Richburg was a pretty good draft.
as long as Beckham continues to pan out, I have no problem with the pick.
We have equally huge holes at WR and OL.
But Martin is a stud. So is their OC and LT.
The problem there is with the shitty line play Eli can't wait for Beckham to get deep on anyone. I would argue that they could get more big plays with just competent receivers and a stud line than with great WRs and a poor line. Give Eli the time and he will make the plays. He has proven it again and again.
And if we do we basically would have done the same thing Dallas did. We are just one year behind them in the progression. Richburgh is a very good player as well. Pugh has looked like he can play. Add another and the line will no longer be an issue.
holes that we had to fill, I am not upset with Beckham and Richburg. Going forward, it will be easier for us to find quality guards over a possible number 1 WR. So I am fine with it.
you are forgetting that at that point, the Giants had signed Schwartz and thought that Snee would be able to go. Not saying I agree with it as I was hoping they would take Martin.
you are forgetting that at that point, the Giants had signed Schwartz and thought that Snee would be able to go. Not saying I agree with it as I was hoping they would take Martin.
Counting on Snee was just plain stupid. He hasn't been healthy for 3 years
you are forgetting that at that point, the Giants had signed Schwartz and thought that Snee would be able to go. Not saying I agree with it as I was hoping they would take Martin.
I hope they didn't think Snee could go.
And if they'd taken Martin they wouldn't have taken Richburg. So it's not as if the OL wouldn't still have holes. Rome wasn't built in a day.
I actually agree with both of you. I was surprised they passed on Martin, but happy they selected Beckham. Without Beckham, right now, WR would be a huge hole with Cruz done for the year and a question for well he can perform next year. So, their OL would be a little better, but their WRs would be far worse.
Think about it this way...right now our best OL might be Richburg. If we drafted Martin, we probably wouldn't have drafted Richburg. So, we would only have been upgrading our lone decent spot on the OL.
for those 2 positions. Since Eli came, they have used numerous premium picks on WRs, and very few on O-linemen. Yes, they have lost Wrs to injury and FA, but it sure seems they believe Eli needs WRs more than o-linemen.
for those 2 positions. Since Eli came, they have used numerous premium picks on WRs, and very few on O-linemen. Yes, they have lost Wrs to injury and FA, but it sure seems they believe Eli needs WRs more than o-linemen.
They've long believed you can get offensive linemen without drafting in the first round. And why not? the offensive line TC built when he first got here didn't have high profile guys other than Snee, and 2nd pick.
O'Hara was a cast off from a perennial loser franchise, Seubert undrafted, and Diehl a late-round guy.
I don't think it's fair to say he would have been a much better pick. Our OL would look a little better, but not significantly because he would repalce our best OL to date, in Richburg. Who knows who the Giants would have selected next, but it probably wouldn't have been Richburg. Now, if the Giants took those guys 1 and 2, then I think our OL would have had a significantly better look.
The right way to do this is not drafting 7 OL in a single year just to appease people and improve your chances of hitting a home run. They needed talent in other places too.
The Cowboys have been rebuilding their offensive line since they drafted Tyron Smith in 2011.
The problem there is with the shitty line play Eli can't wait for Beckham to get deep on anyone. I would argue that they could get more big plays with just competent receivers and a stud line than with great WRs and a poor line. Give Eli the time and he will make the plays. He has proven it again and again.
Seriously? 5 of the 7 games this year Eli has had plenty of time to throw. They barely touched him yesterday. Sure the run blocking has been awful the past 2 weeks, but come on Eli had time yesterday. The problem is our coaching staff put out one of the most pathetically play scared game plans I have ever seen in almost 40 years of watching this team.
would have been nice in the 3rd round. He is starting right now for the Bills at LG. Even Gabe Jackson is looking good and has started for the Raiders at LG. Point is that we should have drafted another lineman in the 3rd round. It would be better than having Jerry or Walton right now.
It would be Randle and Parker as the top 2 WR's. A talent at WR is far more of a commodity than a OG, plain and simple. Hindsight GM is a dangerous game to play. The OBJ pick was a good one.
It would be Randle and Parker as the top 2 WR's. A talent at WR is far more of a commodity than a OG, plain and simple. Hindsight GM is a dangerous game to play. The OBJ pick was a good one.
It's not hindsight when you say it ahead of time.
I disagree with you. You have to build from the lines out. We're starting Walton and Jerry. Enough said.
RE: RE: Imagine this team if they didn't have OBJ?
It would be Randle and Parker as the top 2 WR's. A talent at WR is far more of a commodity than a OG, plain and simple. Hindsight GM is a dangerous game to play. The OBJ pick was a good one.
It's not hindsight when you say it ahead of time.
I disagree with you. You have to build from the lines out. We're starting Walton and Jerry. Enough said.
Take Jerry out of the equation because Schwartz should be starting.
RE: A first and a second round pick in the last two drafts on OL
The right way to do this is not drafting 7 OL in a single year just to appease people and improve your chances of hitting a home run. They needed talent in other places too.
The Cowboys have been rebuilding their offensive line since they drafted Tyron Smith in 2011.
Bingo. So many posters here act like we ignored the OL this offseason. Using a #1 draft pick, #2 and signing a big dollar free agent his hardly ignoring the line. As huge a need as OL was this offseason it was far from our only need.
Don't know how many people caught "Finding Giants"
last week on the NFL Network but it was all about the draft. The interesting thing in the war room is that there was very little hesitation about their picks this year. Virtually none at all. They were all in agreement, especially as the draft wore on. I mean they even discussed trading up for Andre Williams. There seemed to be little to no hesitation about taking Beckham there over Martin. They were all over Richburg too. They even showed tape from the Senior Bowl and them gushing over him there as the best C in the draft.
The mistake wasn't passing on Martin, it was not targeting the OL more around 2012 when it was painfully obvious that we needed to start rebuilding it. After taking Beatty in the 2nd rd in 2009, we went 3 straight years without taking an offensive lineman any higher than the 4th round.
Well, maybe a smaller collapse since Walton would probably still be in there. :-)
We have equally huge holes at WR and OL.
But Martin is a stud. So is their OC and LT.
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I'm not looking back. I said it on draft day. I was floored when the Giants passed on him.
We have equally huge holes at WR and OL.
But Martin is a stud. So is their OC and LT.
The problem there is with the shitty line play Eli can't wait for Beckham to get deep on anyone. I would argue that they could get more big plays with just competent receivers and a stud line than with great WRs and a poor line. Give Eli the time and he will make the plays. He has proven it again and again.
Counting on Snee was just plain stupid. He hasn't been healthy for 3 years
I hope they didn't think Snee could go.
And if they'd taken Martin they wouldn't have taken Richburg. So it's not as if the OL wouldn't still have holes. Rome wasn't built in a day.
Think about it this way...right now our best OL might be Richburg. If we drafted Martin, we probably wouldn't have drafted Richburg. So, we would only have been upgrading our lone decent spot on the OL.
They've long believed you can get offensive linemen without drafting in the first round. And why not? the offensive line TC built when he first got here didn't have high profile guys other than Snee, and 2nd pick.
O'Hara was a cast off from a perennial loser franchise, Seubert undrafted, and Diehl a late-round guy.
Draft another lineman in the first or second next year and we will be fine.
Romo had all day to throw, with nobody around him. Eli had no time at all.
If you give a good QB all day to throw, somebody will get open.
I love Beckham, but he was not the right pick.
He does not have 10 arms.
we should have drafting OL until it's fixed. it starts with the OL.
guess what, we suck. and we're gonna suck next week too. get used to it.
I'd rather have a stud OL and let the FO go find receivers than an OL that is just bad with good receivers.
They are addressing it.
The right way to do this is not drafting 7 OL in a single year just to appease people and improve your chances of hitting a home run. They needed talent in other places too.
The Cowboys have been rebuilding their offensive line since they drafted Tyron Smith in 2011.
that was just stupid. if there's one position you can pick up later in the draft or in free agency it's RB.
it's not about appeasement. it's about being smart.
happy to debate it, but we suck. and until our OL gets better we will continue to suck.
Seriously? 5 of the 7 games this year Eli has had plenty of time to throw. They barely touched him yesterday. Sure the run blocking has been awful the past 2 weeks, but come on Eli had time yesterday. The problem is our coaching staff put out one of the most pathetically play scared game plans I have ever seen in almost 40 years of watching this team.
No thanks. I'd rather have Beckham & Richburg. So did the NY Giants brass.
Randle will probably be nothing more than average, Cruz's career is done. OBJ is going to be a very good WR. Lets be happy we have him.
It's not hindsight when you say it ahead of time.
I disagree with you. You have to build from the lines out. We're starting Walton and Jerry. Enough said.
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It would be Randle and Parker as the top 2 WR's. A talent at WR is far more of a commodity than a OG, plain and simple. Hindsight GM is a dangerous game to play. The OBJ pick was a good one.
It's not hindsight when you say it ahead of time.
I disagree with you. You have to build from the lines out. We're starting Walton and Jerry. Enough said.
Take Jerry out of the equation because Schwartz should be starting.
This is something to keep in mind. It's been a multiyear process for Dallas.
They are addressing it.
The right way to do this is not drafting 7 OL in a single year just to appease people and improve your chances of hitting a home run. They needed talent in other places too.
The Cowboys have been rebuilding their offensive line since they drafted Tyron Smith in 2011.
Bingo. So many posters here act like we ignored the OL this offseason. Using a #1 draft pick, #2 and signing a big dollar free agent his hardly ignoring the line. As huge a need as OL was this offseason it was far from our only need.
You mean, never play Jay?
I'd like to see how many third rounders this year haven't gotten on the field.