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In first half, Murray did most of his damage on three runs

Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/20/2014 2:31 pm
66 percent of his yardage came on three first half runs, including the 10-yard play that should have resulted in a loss had Kennard not gotten stiff-armed.

They actually did a nice job on him for the most part...but those three runs do unfortunately count.

The three big runs were all to the right (left side of defense).
I'd guess most big days by running backs  
RB^2 : 10/20/2014 2:35 pm : link
have a similar distribution - two or three big runs that push up YPC, in which case you can concoct an argument that a defense "contained" the opponent's running game but which is actually BS.
I thought the gap discipline was good for the most part.  
arcarsenal : 10/20/2014 2:38 pm : link
They ran 35 times. We made them work for their yards. None of the 7 teams that have played Dallas so far have been able to shut Murray down. Not us, not Seattle, not SF, not Houston...
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GIANTSr01 : 10/20/2014 2:41 pm : link
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the 3 big runs were all to the right


No surprise they ran away from JPP/Hankins. Kiwi continues to get pushed around too easily.

I thought the run D was very good. It was (as usual) their inability to get off the field on 3rd downs that killed the D. And it's not like the Cowboys were gashing the Giants on 1st/2nd and setting up 3rd and short. They had several conversions on 3rd and 5+
run defense wasn't really the problem  
Greg from LI : 10/20/2014 2:41 pm : link
The complete absence of a pass rush coupled with the continuous failure to cover TEs was the real issue. All the injuries at CB sure don't help, either.
2 plays  
BIG FRED : 10/20/2014 2:43 pm : link
that got me mad was the Kennard play Eric mentioned and Kuwi not playing the cut back on the one run in the 4th ,he got washed on that play ..Kennard had bad technique on his play as he had him but he had his wrong shoulder to Murrays outside shoulder thats home murray got around him and was able to stiff arm him
RE: run defense wasn't really the problem  
GIANTSr01 : 10/20/2014 2:43 pm : link
In comment 11932084 Greg from LI said:
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The complete absence of a pass rush coupled with the continuous failure to cover TEs was the real issue. All the injuries at CB sure don't help, either.


Yup, no pass rush whatsoever from the DL. And they can't disguise a blitz to save their lives so it's a big play waiting to happen when they do bring it.
yup  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/20/2014 2:43 pm : link
but they did have 102 first-half rushing yards (including Romo's 6-yard scramble).

Shows you how 2-3 plays can really skew a total. But it was effective as obviously as the Giants couldn't pin their ears back.
If you take  
pjcas18 : 10/20/2014 2:44 pm : link
away Williams 3 biggest runs, I wonder if he had any runs for positive yardage.

I don't get how Dallas D was supposed to be legendarily bad, yet they can be "coached" up to play this well (well comparatively at least).
that's why you pound the rock. you wear the opponent down  
Victor in CT : 10/20/2014 2:49 pm : link
and then bust a few. And they have to respect your running game which opens up the passing game.
They're offensive line is really good.  
Curtis in VA : 10/20/2014 2:49 pm : link
Reminds me of that group from 2007 when they just destroyed everyone. I still can't believe we beat them.
*Their  
Curtis in VA : 10/20/2014 2:52 pm : link
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RE: that's why you pound the rock. you wear the opponent down  
arcarsenal : 10/20/2014 2:53 pm : link
In comment 11932110 Victor in CT said:
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and then bust a few. And they have to respect your running game which opens up the passing game.


It works when your line is as good as theirs and you're getting positive yards on every play. It doesn't work when you have our OL because you get stuffed for no gain more often than not and wind up in 3rd and longs that way.
RE: If you take  
BillT : 10/20/2014 2:56 pm : link
In comment 11932094 pjcas18 said:
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I don't get how Dallas D was supposed to be legendarily bad, yet they can be "coached" up to play this well (well comparatively at least).


Their D wasn't that good I don't think, they allowed drives of 11, 10, 9, and 8 plays plus a 1 play touchdown drive. However, two of those drives ended in punts in their territory and the 2 turnovers bailed them out at the end. One more 3rd down or one less fumble and you have a very close game. But hey, they got the stops and the TOs so they get credit.
RE: RE: that's why you pound the rock. you wear the opponent down  
Victor in CT : 10/20/2014 3:04 pm : link
In comment 11932118 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 11932110 Victor in CT said:


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and then bust a few. And they have to respect your running game which opens up the passing game.



It works when your line is as good as theirs and you're getting positive yards on every play. It doesn't work when you have our OL because you get stuffed for no gain more often than not and wind up in 3rd and longs that way.


Still need to show it though. But you're obviously right that the Giants OL can't get the necessary push.
Play action  
Doomster : 10/20/2014 3:18 pm : link
does not seem to be in McAdoo's playbook....
RE: RE: If you take  
pjcas18 : 10/20/2014 3:19 pm : link
In comment 11932127 BillT said:
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In comment 11932094 pjcas18 said:


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I don't get how Dallas D was supposed to be legendarily bad, yet they can be "coached" up to play this well (well comparatively at least).



Their D wasn't that good I don't think, they allowed drives of 11, 10, 9, and 8 plays plus a 1 play touchdown drive. However, two of those drives ended in punts in their territory and the 2 turnovers bailed them out at the end. One more 3rd down or one less fumble and you have a very close game. But hey, they got the stops and the TOs so they get credit.


they were excellent against the run, which was supposed to be their Achilles heel, I thought they were allowing 5 ypc coming in to this game (didn't Aikman say that)?

One thing I noticed is that  
GIANTS128 : 10/20/2014 3:21 pm : link
Kiwi only has one move(outside)...the tackle then just glides him past the QB and he is out of the play.
hey, JPP only has one move, too!  
Greg from LI : 10/20/2014 3:22 pm : link
Bull rush, over and over. If that doesn't work, he just stands there and tries to bat down passes.
The CB injuries  
PaulN : 10/20/2014 4:23 pm : link
Have hurt us badly, but we need talent at linebacker, and on the defensive line, and at safety we need a player that knows how to play Fewell's system, we have yet to find this player, but we are still looking. We also need a new defensive coordinator, this guy (Fewell) has proven that he is very inconsistent. His teams are a read and react type defense, no matter what bullshit he says, and they lack aggressiveness and lack cohesiveness, how many blown coverage's do we need to see before we admit that this guy is just not a very good coordinator. Missed assignments must be the responsibility of the coordinator, and we have had more busted coverage's then I have ever seen from a team.

On offense we still have work to do along the OLine, we need a healthy Cruz, and we need a wideout to compliment Beckham, Randle is simply too stupid. We have the running backs, but we need Jennings, Williams will be very good, but he is not that right now. Eli is of coarse a very good QB, but he needs a better team around him.
RE: One thing I noticed is that  
spike : 10/20/2014 4:24 pm : link
In comment 11932185 GIANTS128 said:
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Kiwi only has one move(outside)...the tackle then just glides him past the QB and he is out of the play.


I swear we should've kept Osi instead of Kiwi. I don't kno w what their contract numbers are, but Kiwi is beyond useless.
spike  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/20/2014 5:01 pm : link
Osi isn't playing well either.
RE: The CB injuries  
Gmen4Life21 : 10/20/2014 9:33 pm : link
In comment 11932406 PaulN said:
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how many blown coverage's do we need to see before we admit that this guy is just not a very good coordinator. Missed assignments must be the responsibility of the coordinator, and we have had more busted coverage's then I have ever seen from a team.


Id say 2009 with bill Sheridan and cc brown was much worse.
Count our blessings Eric  
Rocky Thompson : 10/20/2014 9:36 pm : link

We didn't see Arian Foster when we played Houston.

3-4 looks a whole lot better than 2-5...
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