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PA Giant Fan : 10/20/2014 2:56 pm
It is looking more and more like Darren Wilson acted as many thought and the shooting was justified. Shots were fired inside the vehicle. Browns blood found in vehicle, on the gun and on Wilsons clothing from the shots. Witness testimony also noted struggle and also contradicts others that his arms were not up. Seems Brown was coming or at least staggering forward from about 25 feet.

This is going pretty much exactly as it appeared and noted from the beginning despite the trolling attempts here and elsewhere to make it something else. Brown attacked the police officer, they struggled , shots were fired, he ran. He turned and faced the officer and did not surrender. The officer did what was his duty and in his defense and really the people of Fergusons defense and shot Brown down.

Now we should get some riots and more ridiculousness. As I noted from the beginning, all this has done is make racists look right and those supporting this case look dumb but they won't acknowledge it so racism wins...congrats....Now we should get some riots and looting in support of a thug who would otherwise be in jail.
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25 feet in less than a second  
Pork and Beans : 10/20/2014 4:18 pm : link
is less than a 3.5 minute mile. No way could that guy run that fast. Thats less than a 4.8 second 40 yard dash.
RE: RE: The whole  
section125 : 10/20/2014 4:18 pm : link
In comment 11932385 David in LA said:
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In comment 11932343 BillT said:


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Is BS. People of all races have been called that based on who they are and what they have done not the color of their skin. And I live nowhere near a rock.



Ok, show me some specific quotes where anyone else was labeled a 'thug'.


What?
Weekend  
PA Giant Fan : 10/20/2014 4:21 pm : link
I think the answer is that people, maybe politicians or folks like Sharpton or others saw an opportunity to use this as an example of police abuse which obviously does occur.

Although it was obvious to some that this was a bad idea in this case, these folks and the rioters doubled down and continue to do so....Which really has had the opposite effect for which they intended and instead makes them look like idiots and if anything reinforces the racist viewpoints. The media handling of it has been bad to some extent as well.

This whole thing has been incredibly counter productive and may get a whole lot worse. There is a small window to turn it around but I dount it happens.
Ferguson...  
x meadowlander : 10/20/2014 4:21 pm : link
...ain't just about Mike Brown. Regardless of the verdict, that fire isn't going out.
PA Giant Fan  
T-Bone : 10/20/2014 4:24 pm : link
Could you explain to me how this means that Wilson shooting Brown while outside the car was justified? I haven't read the second linked article yet (I will once I submit this post) but from the initial one you linked I don't see how it confirms that Wilson did the 'right thing'. I'm just asking you because in the article you linked it appears that the paper agrees with you but I'm not understanding how and why it means the office was in the right (I believe the paper even says itself that the exchange in the cop's car doesn't mean Wilson was in the right).
the math  
PA Giant Fan : 10/20/2014 4:24 pm : link
40 yard dash in 4 seconds is sprinter speed...

Bot for the sake of round numbers

40 yards is 120 feet = 4 seconds

1/4 of 120 feet is 30 feet and 1/4 of 4 seconds is one second

that is 30 feet in a second...most witnesses have the distance at about 25 feet...He is 6 feet tall so would be mroe like 19 feet to cover....

No matter how you slice it, he is about a second away from Wilson.
The GJ witness testimony  
PA Giant Fan : 10/20/2014 4:27 pm : link
Noted his arms were not up and he was coming forward....Considering the struggle in the car, the assault resulting in guns fired and hitting brown, Brown running and ten turning back towards Wilson, it was justified. The officer was well within his right to do so....Again about a second away.
haha  
Pork and Beans : 10/20/2014 4:29 pm : link
your math makes as much sense as your OP. His height subtracts from the distance run. lol
People don't want truth,  
GiantsUA : 10/20/2014 4:32 pm : link
they want something to use as to vent their anger, poverty, lack of opportunity, broken homes, drugs and alcohol.

We met the enemy and he is us.
I'm just surprised that anyone is surprised this is where it's going  
BillT : 10/20/2014 4:35 pm : link
This entire thing has been overhyped from day one. The race baiters have been hard at work trying to make this into something it's not. The media's role in this has been nothing short of despicable. Rinse and repeat.
Actually if you use your brain it doesn't  
PA Giant Fan : 10/20/2014 4:35 pm : link
And my math was based on 25 feet which is still less then the 30 feet. Again about a second...Try it yourself..so whether you delete his height or not doesnt matter in determining a second.

But try it anyway

Mark out 25 feet and see how fast you touch something 25 feet away...Got a hint for you...you can reach out to something before your feet get there...That is due to something that most people have called arms....And it becomes more and more clear why there are riots...
Is this a real  
EricNY33 : 10/20/2014 4:36 pm : link
discussion or am I on Candid Camera?
I don't see how that proves that Wilson's actions  
T-Bone : 10/20/2014 4:36 pm : link
were justified at all but maybe that's just me.

Anyway, hopefully the truth will come out at some point... whether for or against Wilson and Brown.

Carry on....
GiantsUA  
PA Giant Fan : 10/20/2014 4:37 pm : link
I believe that is at the core of all of this...
RE: RE: The whole  
Stephen in DC : 10/20/2014 4:39 pm : link
In comment 11932385 David in LA said:
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In comment 11932343 BillT said:


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Is BS. People of all races have been called that based on who they are and what they have done not the color of their skin. And I live nowhere near a rock.



Ok, show me some specific quotes where anyone else was labeled a 'thug'.

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Semantics, more commonplace to attach that word to black people  
David in LA : 10/20/2014 4:40 pm : link
I got 2 articles back, good job guys.
No  
Pork and Beans : 10/20/2014 4:40 pm : link
I'm not a sprinter and neither was this guy. I can't take your arguments seriously as long as you insist he could run 25 feet in under a second.
T-bone  
PA Giant Fan : 10/20/2014 4:41 pm : link
Because he has the right to defend himself and was already assulted with intent to kill. So legally he is more then justified as soon as Brown took one step toward him...By all accounts of the law, once he went for his gun it was pretty much game over...

If Brown was not shot dead, He would probably have been charged with attempted murder of a police officer. That is who these folks are rioting for.
RE: People die everyday  
newmike2 : 10/20/2014 4:42 pm : link
In comment 11932386 WeekendLife56 said:
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All day. Some black victims, some white obe and everything else under the sun. WHY was this black teen clearly up to no good more important than the thousands who have dies since. Regardless of all the extra bs.


It's an election issue. The death of a young man being exploited to rally a few more votes meanwhile the problem persists and shows no signs of abatement. I have no idea what happened that day but drawing lines and taking sides is just not part of any solution. I don't know Ferguson from Springfield but this sounds more like a problem that needs to be solved by Missouri and not the national news media and the social agitators. If they want to change Ferguson, elect new leaders. If they want economic opportunity, elect new leaders. Don't, as president Obama said, let cousin Pookie stay at home on the couch. People in Iraq walked over dead bodies and dodged sniper fire to cast ballots. These folks can get engaged, pick up a newspaper, listen to the news, read about the candidates, formulate a position and make it to the polls.
RE: Unless you live under a fucking rock  
njm : 10/20/2014 4:43 pm : link
In comment 11932305 David in LA said:
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the word has a very specific attachment to black people. Have you ever seen James Eagan Holmes or Timothy McVeigh described in the same manner? Don't try to play fucking dumb here.


McVeigh was described as a domestic terrorist. I'd say that ranks below thug.

So I guess we're going point - counterpoint. Nobody wants to wait until all the evidence (at least with respect to the grand jury) is in.
RE: Celebratory tone?  
vibe4giants : 10/20/2014 4:43 pm : link
In comment 11932287 PA Giant Fan said:
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Well since I was one of few willing to be honest when this nonsense was going on and not view it through some sort of jaded manipulated lens, then call it what you want. You should be asking where are the apologies from all those on Browns side....Why are there still going to be riots?

Maybe instead of celebratory it is hoping that people would open their friggin eyes.


So you're fluffing your feathers because you're concerned about riots...on BBI? The 'apologies' from those on Brown's side? WTF are you talking about?

You think you 'won' an argument over anonymous strangers on a football message board. Which, given the sad nature of these events, still makes your behavior here pretty gross.

Stop trying to pretend there's any deeper or greater meaning to this thread than you saying, 'I told you so!!!!!'
25 feet in about a second  
PA Giant Fan : 10/20/2014 4:44 pm : link
is not that complicated...its 17mph...sprinters run lows 20s..

If I said 1.2 seconds would that make it better?
PA Giant Fan  
T-Bone : 10/20/2014 4:44 pm : link
Ok.

Well, there are more than a few things stated by the police that makes little to no sense to me but whatever.... like I said, hopefully the truth will come out sooner or later.
He was close to 300lbs  
Pork and Beans : 10/20/2014 4:48 pm : link
and not in shape, why do you keep comparing him to a sprinter. Nope, 1.2 is not going to do it for me. What's your next offer?
RE: PA Giant Fan  
njm : 10/20/2014 4:48 pm : link
In comment 11932466 T-Bone said:
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Ok.

Well, there are more than a few things stated by the police that makes little to no sense to me but whatever.... like I said, hopefully the truth will come out sooner or later.


Many(though not you) are way too quick to reach a conclusion before the facts are all in.
RE: RE: PA Giant Fan  
T-Bone : 10/20/2014 4:51 pm : link
In comment 11932475 njm said:
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In comment 11932466 T-Bone said:


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Ok.

Well, there are more than a few things stated by the police that makes little to no sense to me but whatever.... like I said, hopefully the truth will come out sooner or later.



Many(though not you) are way too quick to reach a conclusion before the facts are all in.


This is true. Like I said, there are a few things that just don't add up to me but at the same time I'm willing to wait until hopefully ALL of the facts are in because just because things don't add up doesn't mean that they didn't really happen.
It may not be 100% conclusive  
buford : 10/20/2014 4:54 pm : link
but it's a far way away from the 'Hands Up' defense we've heard all along.

PA GIants FAN  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/20/2014 4:56 pm : link
should try out for the Giants if he can cover 25 feet in a second. The man doesn't even have to accelerate. He just gets to top speed.

Usain Bolt's 10m split at the Beijing Olympics was 1.85 seconds. That's 32.8 feet. The 25 feet - 32.8 feet segment was the fastest part of that split because he is accelerating rapidly.

1.85 seconds for Usain Bolt to run under 33 feet. But you and Michael Brown are running 25 feet in under a second.

Chris Johnson has the fastest 10 yard split at the combine (30 feet). It was 1.4 seconds.

I will bet you anything in the world that you can't cover 25 feet in a second.

Stop making shit up to go along with your already-horrible posts.
like I said  
PA Giant Fan : 10/20/2014 5:08 pm : link
How about 1.2 secs...? Pumped up on adrenalin? Point is officer was obviously justified
You guys might want  
Davo : 10/20/2014 5:10 pm : link
to look up the Tueller Drill
I just ran down a 25 foot hallway  
Pork and Beans : 10/20/2014 5:18 pm : link
pretending I was 300 lbs and it took me 5 seconds. You need to get a clue, your speed estimation is offensive.
Interesting stuff Davo thx  
giant24 : 10/20/2014 5:19 pm : link
Tueller Drill - The drill whereby you practice the idea of the 21 foot rule with soft training weapons and plastic handguns( ideally)

In the time it takes the average officer to recognize a threat, draw his sidearm and fire 2 rounds at center mass, an average subject charging at the officer with a knife or other cutting or stabbing weapon can cover a distance of 21 feet.

So even if the person with a gun could shoot the person with the sword or knife before they get cut, the question remains whether or not the bullet would stop the person from cutting them.

This was a tactic used in the Philippines when the USA had control of that country. It is said that the Army switched to the .45 since people under attack by people with swords were shooting them but not stopping them.
RE: I just ran down a 25 foot hallway  
MOOPS : 10/20/2014 5:21 pm : link
In comment 11932524 Pork and Beans said:
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pretending I was 300 lbs and it took me 5 seconds. You need to get a clue, your speed estimation is offensive.


WTF?????
13 year old girls I coach  
PA Giant Fan : 10/20/2014 5:22 pm : link
Cover Home to first ...60 feet...In 3.5 seconds.
I'll bet you they  
Headhunter : 10/20/2014 5:23 pm : link
dont
Pa Giant Fan  
manh george : 10/20/2014 5:23 pm : link
You meant to say that the officer is obviously justified IF the evidence backs up the scenario that has Michael Brown charging toward the officer after being shot initially and backing away from the officer and the cop car.

Isn't that what you meant to say? Or don't you need to wait for conclusive evidence to come out before concluding that he was "obviously justified?"

I guess you are obviously justified in concluding that without any conclusive evidence, if you are an asshole.
All dogs perked up  
Headhunter : 10/20/2014 5:28 pm : link
at the dog whistles going out here
So then all the Al Sharptons, media personalities  
giant24 : 10/20/2014 5:29 pm : link
AG Holder, Ferguson residents and all those who condemned Officer Wilson are all "assholes" because they all convicted Wilson "without any conclusive evidence".
manh  
PA Giant Fan : 10/20/2014 5:30 pm : link
If he took one step forward or really didn't listen to the officer at that point it was justified. Doesn't need to be charging at all. GJ witness and others have noted such.
RE: I just ran down a 25 foot hallway  
section125 : 10/20/2014 5:30 pm : link
In comment 11932524 Pork and Beans said:
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pretending I was 300 lbs and it took me 5 seconds. You need to get a clue, your speed estimation is offensive.


Yeah his speed/distance estimate is off, but inside 21 feet the attacker has the advantage over the armed defender. In fact, that is a short distance. In the drill mentioned, people have covered up to 30 ft before the defender could get off shots - doubt a 300lber could. Seeing as how Brown had already attacked the cop in the car, was a very big individual, I would think the cop could rightfully fear for his life.
3.5 seconds to first...60 feet  
PA Giant Fan : 10/20/2014 5:31 pm : link
Is nothing extraordinary HH.
Another veiled  
natefit : 10/20/2014 5:35 pm : link
political thread on BBI. Pass.
Not political  
PA Giant Fan : 10/20/2014 5:37 pm : link
Not the intent either. Not.left vs right imo
okey  
natefit : 10/20/2014 5:39 pm : link
dokey. People power!
Wait. Is this the naked shorts guy?  
kickerpa16 : 10/20/2014 5:40 pm : link
If so, absolutely no surprise nuance on the tone is beyond him.
Okay, time for a show of hands.  
MOOPS : 10/20/2014 5:40 pm : link
All those who had their lunch money stolen in junior high by a thug who later became a cop?
Of those that raised their hands, how many think the Ferguson cop is guilty?
RE: Another veiled  
Rob in NYC : 10/20/2014 5:42 pm : link
In comment 11932540 natefit said:
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political thread on BBI. Pass.


Of all the odd posts on this thread, specifically expressing disinterest somehow strikes me as the oddest...
RE: Wait. Is this the naked shorts guy?  
Rob in NYC : 10/20/2014 5:43 pm : link
In comment 11932553 kickerpa16 said:
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If so, absolutely no surprise nuance on the tone is beyond him.


Oh yes indeed.
RE: RE: Wait. Is this the naked shorts guy?  
kickerpa16 : 10/20/2014 5:48 pm : link
In comment 11932561 Rob in NYC said:
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In comment 11932553 kickerpa16 said:


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If so, absolutely no surprise nuance on the tone is beyond him.



Oh yes indeed.


Just the guy you want making your case!
Catch me up on the 'naked shorts guy' somebody?  
David in LA : 10/20/2014 5:56 pm : link
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