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PA Giant Fan : 10/20/2014 2:56 pm
It is looking more and more like Darren Wilson acted as many thought and the shooting was justified. Shots were fired inside the vehicle. Browns blood found in vehicle, on the gun and on Wilsons clothing from the shots. Witness testimony also noted struggle and also contradicts others that his arms were not up. Seems Brown was coming or at least staggering forward from about 25 feet.

This is going pretty much exactly as it appeared and noted from the beginning despite the trolling attempts here and elsewhere to make it something else. Brown attacked the police officer, they struggled , shots were fired, he ran. He turned and faced the officer and did not surrender. The officer did what was his duty and in his defense and really the people of Fergusons defense and shot Brown down.

Now we should get some riots and more ridiculousness. As I noted from the beginning, all this has done is make racists look right and those supporting this case look dumb but they won't acknowledge it so racism wins...congrats....Now we should get some riots and looting in support of a thug who would otherwise be in jail.
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some people see race in everything  
capone : 10/20/2014 6:33 pm : link
and that is why they will never maximize their potential - too busy making excuses for their lack of success and blaming almighty whitey-

scumbag acted like a scumbag and ran into the wrong guy - sucks for him - I am more concerned about innocent people getting killed for whatever reason than saint micheal
To me its like the professionally athlete who says its not  
Headhunter : 10/20/2014 6:49 pm : link
about the money, it is. Same as those who say it is not about race, it is
The OP ...  
sphinx : 10/20/2014 7:21 pm : link
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Shots were fired inside the vehicle. Browns blood found in vehicle, on the gun and on Wilsons clothing from the shots.


What's new there? From CNN ...

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Still in his car, the officer grabbed Brown by his neck, but he tried to pull away as the officer pulled him toward him, Johnson said.

The officer drew his weapon and fired, hitting Brown, Johnson said. A bloodied Brown took off running, but the officer followed him and fired, according to Johnson.
RE: The OP ...  
halfback20 : 10/20/2014 7:57 pm : link
In comment 11932700 sphinx said:
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Shots were fired inside the vehicle. Browns blood found in vehicle, on the gun and on Wilsons clothing from the shots.



What's new there? From CNN ...



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Still in his car, the officer grabbed Brown by his neck, but he tried to pull away as the officer pulled him toward him, Johnson said.

The officer drew his weapon and fired, hitting Brown, Johnson said. A bloodied Brown took off running, but the officer followed him and fired, according to Johnson.



Johnson's version that the officer grabbed Brown by the neck and tried to pull him in the car is a little hard to believe. What person would grab a 300 lb man and try to pull him in the driver seat with him? Makes zero sense.
RE: RE: The OP ...  
sphinx : 10/20/2014 8:18 pm : link
In comment 11932754 halfback20 said:
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In comment 11932700 sphinx said:
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Shots were fired inside the vehicle. Browns blood found in vehicle, on the gun and on Wilsons clothing from the shots.

What's new there? From CNN ...
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Still in his car, the officer grabbed Brown by his neck, but he tried to pull away as the officer pulled him toward him, Johnson said.

The officer drew his weapon and fired, hitting Brown, Johnson said. A bloodied Brown took off running, but the officer followed him and fired, according to Johnson.





Johnson's version that the officer grabbed Brown by the neck and tried to pull him in the car is a little hard to believe. What person would grab a 300 lb man and try to pull him in the driver seat with him? Makes zero sense.
Your comment has nothing to do with shots fired in the vehicle and Brown being hit. The OP makes that out as new news that somehow exonerates Wilson.

Read the entire thread and links  
PA Giant Fan : 10/20/2014 8:28 pm : link
And get back to me....
C'mon man...  
Dunedin81 : 10/20/2014 8:46 pm : link
you could have put this up in a less incendiary way. You wanted to provoke another shitstorm.
RE: To me its like the professionally athlete who says its not  
pjcas18 : 10/20/2014 8:57 pm : link
In comment 11932660 Headhunter said:
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about the money, it is. Same as those who say it is not about race, it is


People who see race in everything usually see it because of their own insecurities and impure/prejudiced thoughts.
.  
SHO'NUFF : 10/20/2014 9:07 pm : link
Did you hack Brett's phone  
Dunedin81 : 10/20/2014 9:10 pm : link
?
The opening paragraph  
sphinx : 10/20/2014 9:15 pm : link
of the OP's linked article says,

"Forensic evidence shows Michael Brown’s blood on the gun, on the uniform and inside the car of Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson, law enforcement officials said, information they believe potentially corroborates the officer’s story that the unarmed 18-year-old tried to take his gun."

How does that (potentially) corroborate Wilson's version and not the version from Johnson from day one? "Brown attacked the police officer"? Where's the evidence?

Didn't Johnson first say  
buford : 10/20/2014 9:45 pm : link
that Brown had his back to the cop with his hands up when he was shot?
The worst part of this...  
Dunedin81 : 10/20/2014 10:07 pm : link
is that regardless of who is to blame, whether Wilson is ever charged (or whether he ever should be), the only virtual certainty in this is that Ferguson and its environs will go into a tailspin because of it. The legacy of pretty much every instance of serious rioting, regardless of the justice of the underlying claims, has been desolation.
RE: 3.5 seconds to first...60 feet  
Sgrcts : 10/20/2014 11:07 pm : link
In comment 11932538 PA Giant Fan said:
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Is nothing extraordinary HH.



You are clueless. 3.3 is the MLB record to first. The average time from home to first(90 feet) is 4.3 seconds. Being that the slowest part of that run is the first 15 feet, you are saying that the girls in your softball league are relatively as fast as the average MLB player.
RE: some people see race in everything  
Sgrcts : 10/20/2014 11:08 pm : link
In comment 11932649 capone said:
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and that is why they will never maximize their potential - too busy making excuses for their lack of success and blaming almighty whitey-

scumbag acted like a scumbag and ran into the wrong guy - sucks for him - I am more concerned about innocent people getting killed for whatever reason than saint micheal


Sounds like you see race in everything to me.
Sgrtc  
capone : 10/21/2014 1:14 am : link
you just made my point.. thank you
PA Giant  
montanagiant : 10/21/2014 2:03 am : link
You really knocked it out of the park with this thread..
BWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAA.....
Funny how the same people get proven wrong over and over  
PA Giant Fan : 10/21/2014 4:19 am : link
Girls softball home to first....dumbasses
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Montana troll  
PA Giant Fan : 10/21/2014 4:24 am : link
I do think it is funny that everything I said would happen in this case has happened. And what I said occurred in Ferguson that day is exactly what happened. And your theories have been proven wrong over and over and over.

Meanwhile dumbasses like you and the handful of morons here keep trying to hang an innocent police officer in support of a vile piece of trash who would otherwise be spending many many years in prison.

So if you are laughing at yourself for being completely wrong meanwhile riots have occurred and will occur again then congrats....nothing like doubling down on being wrong and you guys keep pushing all your money to the center of the table....
It ain't you PA  
Headhunter : 10/21/2014 5:25 am : link
It's everyonelse. Frustrating when you are the only one who sees the truth and everyone Justy's mocks you. You must feel like Jesus
nah  
PA Giant Fan : 10/21/2014 5:44 am : link
It's just the same small group of dumbasses that keep being proven wrong. Most people are beginning to understand what actually occurred in Ferguson. ..but some here would rather be wrong and have riots and more innocent people hurt then have to admit they were wrong. I think ultimately that is the point of this thread really. They won rather hang a cop that was defending his life and the people of Ferguson from a thug than admit they were wrong. ..
So we have  
PA Giant Fan : 10/21/2014 5:56 am : link
Those attacking me for saying he could reach the cop in about a second. ...ok turns out second and a half one guy saying it took him 5 seconds.

Or people like you and others saying 13 year old girls can't cover 60 feet in 3.5 seconds which is pretty average actually.

You have others ignoring the other links in the thread from the GJ witness.

People say I left out all those pesky details. I ask which ones and no answer.

Claims that the word thug only applies to blacks and is used solely by racists and is a racist term....despite a 3 second Google search to the contrary.

And on and on

So what we have really shown here is that people want Wilson to be culpable and ultimately people want these riots or at least justification for these riots and protesters. ....

So the real question is why?

Interesting, my guess is that  
Rob in NYC : 10/21/2014 7:14 am : link
Some of those better timed speeds for women home to first are for lefties, timed from contact - on a slap hit, they have that Ichiro-like lean that has them moving toward first at contact (and the distance is slightly shorter as well).

Regardless, it likely isn't a cold start.
PA Giant..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/21/2014 7:28 am : link
this shouldn't be about right or wrong. I was pretty sure when facts came out it wasn't going to say that Brown was docile and meek and had his hands up only to be shot in cold blood, but even if Wilson was "justified" in the shooting, it really shouldn't be a celebratory thing. It accomplishes little to say others were wrong.

IMO, what happened is that a person is dead, in part due to his own actions and in part due to an officer who overreacted. One man will remain dead, the other forever tarnished and changed and an entire town thrust into infamy.

There's little in there to applaud.
PA  
Headhunter : 10/21/2014 7:36 am : link
You start with a presumption of guilt based on preconceived notion about "those" people that has been handed down to you for generations and then you build a narrative to fit that POV. Facts be damned. No sense pointing out holes or presumptions in your narrative, you are just going to dig in to support the view you have of the world as it is
another  
bc4life : 10/21/2014 7:59 am : link
useless thread
Montanagiant with another intelligent post  
Rocky Thompson : 10/21/2014 8:09 am : link

Waits to see when it's safe to kick the guy then runs back into the crowd, lol

Not surprised, it's the only way he posts, pansy ass...
HH - more personal attacks - love it  
PA Giant Fan : 10/21/2014 9:16 am : link
Not a racist - nice try...Handed down to me?

This case has been obvious from the beginning. Just some people refuse to believe the most likely narrative even as the facts come in or use common sense.

My questions stand and I do wonder why. People would rather see riots and an evil cop despite the evidence and common sense.
Wow Rob  
PA Giant Fan : 10/21/2014 9:17 am : link
I thought you were the facts guy. Now it is they had a running start...as I note 3.5 seconds is average so your running start info is moot. D1 girls are sub 3 seconds.
Here is a link for ya Rob  
PA Giant Fan : 10/21/2014 9:19 am : link
Keep trying
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it seems like if you don't agree  
AnyoneButPhilly : 10/21/2014 9:20 am : link
With someone's claim of racism you are accused of being racist yourself.
Actually according to the logic here  
PA Giant Fan : 10/21/2014 9:24 am : link
Seems we have a bunch of sexists here that refuse to believe a girl could run fast but only a MLB player....lol
RE: Here is a link for ya Rob  
Rob in NYC : 10/21/2014 9:26 am : link
In comment 11933312 PA Giant Fan said:
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Keep trying Link - ( New Window )


I actually succeeded, I didn't say you were wrong, simply trying to bridge the gap between the two sides of the debate. I thought that was obvious?
I had a dream about 300 lb  
Pork and Beans : 10/21/2014 9:26 am : link
guys running last night, and it definitely took then between 4-5 seconds. And this guy clearly had a knee problem. To wit, at 6'2" and 300lbs, he could have been an NFL d lineman. Since he was not in college or playing football, it was likely that he had a lower body injury. Let's assume it was a meniscal tear in high school. A 300lb guy with a leg injury couldn't run 25 feet in less than six seconds.

I really can't get on board with your other points until you see some sense with the running times.
Still going Rob  
PA Giant Fan : 10/21/2014 9:28 am : link
Despite being wrong. Did you even read the info in the link?

"(times are from a standing start at home – not a swing – if you use a swing it will be about .5 seconds slower)"
See some sense with the running times?  
PA Giant Fan : 10/21/2014 9:29 am : link
How many links do you need with the exact information posted? This gets right at what I am saying. People want to see riots. They want blood, presumption or evidence of innocence be damned no matter how much comes in...
RE: Pa Giant Fan  
T-Bone : 10/21/2014 9:30 am : link
In comment 11932531 manh george said:
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You meant to say that the officer is obviously justified IF the evidence backs up the scenario that has Michael Brown charging toward the officer after being shot initially and backing away from the officer and the cop car.

Isn't that what you meant to say? Or don't you need to wait for conclusive evidence to come out before concluding that he was "obviously justified?"

I guess you are obviously justified in concluding that without any conclusive evidence, if you are an asshole.


This is what I was pretty much getting at in my earlier posts. The article you posted didn't contain any new info and therefore I'm not sure how it proves anything... except confirms what we already were told. That there was a fight within the car and two shots were fired into the car... but what we don't know is whether there was a struggle within the car because Brown was actually going for the officer's gun (as the officer says)... nor do we know if the officer was justified in shooting Brown dead because his life was in actual danger. I'm also confused a bit as to why this person's testimony means more than the accounts of other witnesses who were there who've said pretty much the opposite of what this witness said.
RE: it seems like if you don't agree  
pjcas18 : 10/21/2014 9:31 am : link
In comment 11933313 AnyoneButPhilly said:
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With someone's claim of racism you are accused of being racist yourself.


I explained this before. Sometimes a statement is innocent, sometimes it's not, but the interpreter of that statement that sees it as racist, regardless of the authors personal thoughts or intent, without question, it is usually because of their own insecurities about how they feel about race. they make everything about race because it gives them a false sense they can live with a clear conscience.

it's sort of like Bob in the movie what about Bob. If he pretends he has an illness then he knows he doesn't have it. He yells out swears to know he doesn't have turrets, people do this and BBI is a hotbed for them - they claim racism so it makes them feel righteous and free.

My only advice is you know who you are and how you personally feel, I wouldn't get worked up about other people's interperations of your written word.

But...on the other side of the coin, there are a lot of questionable words like thug that many people do associate with race (regardless of users intent), and if you care about other people's impression and opinion of you, it's better to be safe and not use them. thug can be a veiled racial epithet or not, so why let people guess which you mean when there are alternatives without the stigma.
RE: See some sense with the running times?  
Pork and Beans : 10/21/2014 9:31 am : link
In comment 11933346 PA Giant Fan said:
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How many links do you need with the exact information posted? This gets right at what I am saying. People want to see riots. They want blood, presumption or evidence of innocence be damned no matter how much comes in...


Why do you keep comparing him to sprinters and athletes? Are there any 300lb thugs on BBI that we can get to do 25 feet sprints and time themselves?
Luca Brasi was a thug  
Rocky Thompson : 10/21/2014 9:32 am : link

Can I still eat pizza? Or that's not allowed?
T-Bone  
PA Giant Fan : 10/21/2014 9:35 am : link
Come on. There was a struggle in the car. Unless you believe the officer was really trying to pull a 6'5" 300lb man in through his window by the neck which is absurd on its surface, it is clear he attacked the officer. Not to mention the video of him robbing the store litterally right before this incident.

Shots were fired inside the vehicle...why?

ANd then you have the GJ witness info I linked as well.

You have to to go great lengths and ignore the most likely, the obvious and common sense and the evidence at this point to support Browns side of this. You want to say you are not 100% sure? Fine but it is becoming pretty clear.
I compared to 13 year old girls  
PA Giant Fan : 10/21/2014 9:37 am : link
Also here was posted the Tueller link also demonstrating similar times. 20-25 feet away is how far Brown was. If you think that someone pumped up on Adrenline couldnt reach the officer in about a second...or a second and a half then you are ignoring the factual data presented.
Hold on  
Pork and Beans : 10/21/2014 9:40 am : link
I am trying to find a fat guy in my office building and I am going to you tube him running.
OK I set up some cones 10 feet apart for reference on the video  
Pork and Beans : 10/21/2014 9:42 am : link
I couldn't find a thug, but I got a fat guy.
SEVEN seconds to go ten feet  
Pork and Beans : 10/21/2014 9:43 am : link
Time to eat some crow, pal.

Video proof:  
Pork and Beans : 10/21/2014 9:43 am : link
RE: T-Bone  
T-Bone : 10/21/2014 9:45 am : link
In comment 11933365 PA Giant Fan said:
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Come on. There was a struggle in the car. Unless you believe the officer was really trying to pull a 6'5" 300lb man in through his window by the neck which is absurd on its surface, it is clear he attacked the officer. Not to mention the video of him robbing the store litterally right before this incident.

Shots were fired inside the vehicle...why?

ANd then you have the GJ witness info I linked as well.

You have to to go great lengths and ignore the most likely, the obvious and common sense and the evidence at this point to support Browns side of this. You want to say you are not 100% sure? Fine but it is becoming pretty clear.


I never said there wasn't a struggle in the car... only the reason for that struggle. Honestly, yes... I can very easily see an officer trying to grab a 300 lb man through his window as I've seen it happen before (although with a smaller man). So it's not like it's impossible for that to have happened. I personally just have a hard time believing that a high school kid would try to reach for a cops gun through a window. Not saying it can't happen, just that I have a hard time seeing a kid do that. Shot were fired in the car because of the struggle over the gun... what we don't know is why was there a struggle and/or how it started?

You're convinced that Brown was a menace to society based on information that's been known for months now then be my guess. All I'm saying is that we don't know much more now than we did a few weeks or months ago... at least not based on that article.
Why do I want to call that guy Frounder?  
shepherdsam : 10/21/2014 9:45 am : link
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Porky  
Rocky Thompson : 10/21/2014 9:50 am : link

How do you know Fatzilla there isn't a thug? He could be collecting for local bookies or beating up High School kids for Kung Pao chicken.
What do you mean?  
Pork and Beans : 10/21/2014 9:51 am : link
Like you think he has a black grandparent or something? Doesn't look like a thug to me.
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