NFT: Ferguson - Michael Brown - The latest

He robbed a store minutes before assaulting and menacing the clerk and customer. You think that wasnt on his mind minutes later when the cop pulled up to him? And trying to pull a 300lb man, who just committed a felony in through your window is ridiculous. And the officer was clearly assaulted.

The cop only was trying to get him out of the street so the idea that he was going to pull him into the car (ridicululous) to shoot him (why) is not likely in any sort of way.

That's the point...

Pork and Beans, I've been struck blind.

We have the forensic evidence showing that the officer was assaulted, did fire his weapon inside the vehicle....CLearly there was already a threat on his life. This is very key and now backed up by evidence. Honestly all bets are off at this point.

They you have the GJ witness stating that Browns hands were not up and that he did come forward...

So based on the video tape, and this data it is pretty obvious that Brown was a piece of crap. Really the video tape was enough and that Wilson very most likely acted properly...

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Supporting riots, and taking the side of destroying a police officers life that probably saved lives in the process here....Sorry of your preconceived notions are falling apart as you try to maintain your side here despite the building up of evidence to the contrary.

Again, why do people want riots so bad and are willing to support a street thug over a police officer despite the evidence to the contrary?

In comment 11933410 PA Giant Fan said:

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He robbed a store minutes before assaulting and menacing the clerk and customer. You think that wasnt on his mind minutes later when the cop pulled up to him? And trying to pull a 300lb man, who just committed a felony in through your window is ridiculous. And the officer was clearly assaulted. The cop only was trying to get him out of the street so the idea that he was going to pull him into the car (ridicululous) to shoot him (why) is not likely in any sort of way.

Yeah... call me skeptical but I don't think an high school kid who grabbed a few blunts and pushed a store clerk who was trying to stop him out of his way is thinking 'Let me grab this cop's gun!' when getting stopped in the middle of the street when the cop told them to get out of the street and then came back after them. Not saying there's NO WAY that possible... just seems unlikely to me but I'm not 100% convinced either way (as you appear to be). Also, the only thing that's a fact is that there was an assault that happened within the car, we just don't know who started it and how. Not to mention, you're adding a lot of things that I never said... such the cop pulling Brown into his car 'so that he could shoot him'.

We're just going in circles at this point so I'll just end this by saying that, as has been said to you earlier in this thread by me and others, I don't see how either of the articles linked by you proves the officer was justified in the shooting and that you were 'right' (which you seem to want so badly for everyone else to see and acknowledge). Even if it turns out that my beliefs in how the whole thing went down turns out to be true (and I freely admit that I could be 100% wrong), I don't think I'm going to gloat about it because it's still a tragic situation for the young man killed, the cop and the city.

Most people are disputing the inflammatory tone you've taken AND the fact that you have taken a decided stance on every facet of this investigation now, even though it hasn't been fully concluded.

For some reason, this thread screams that you're happy there's a winner, when most people would argue that no one has won. The racial disparities have been noticeably highlighted, as well as the willingness to jump to firm conclusions.

As I said, willingly obtuse.

In comment 11933444 kickerpa16 said:

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Most people are disputing the inflammatory tone you've taken AND the fact that you have taken a decided stance on every facet of this investigation now, even though it hasn't been fully concluded. For some reason, this thread screams that you're happy there's a winner, when most people would argue that no one has won. The racial disparities have been noticeably highlighted, as well as the willingness to jump to firm conclusions. As I said, willingly obtuse.

Bingo. Well put.

If he had just robbed a store and we saw the video. He is a complete street thug. It makes total sense since he probably knows he is going to jail unless he gets away from that cop or stops the cop. And we keep saying he is a kid. He is 18 year old, 6'5" 300 lb man willing and able to cause damage.

Sorry but it has been the facts debated here or really the continued ignoring of facts. How many posts here are about tone and how many about the case itself? what is it? 15:1?

So nice try...

Again, not surprised with the naked shorts guy.

Have fun championing the "win", though. I'm sure that's the best way to go about this...

Why do people support Brown and Riots and protesting despite the evidence coming in, evidence that has been in. Why are people ready to have these riots and support Browns side, a complete thug who robbed a store, assaulted a police officer over the police officer who has nothing against him outside of this? Why are people ready to destroy a police officers life over a thug despite the mounting evidence?

You have a problem with my tone? I have a problem with the hanging of a cop doing his job in favor of a thug who was a menace. And the evidence completely supports this position.

why you are being so inflammatory right now. The evidence most likely will support the officers claims, but there really is no reason to fan the flames by going on about the riots, Brown's character and the other stuff.

I doubt many BBI'ers supported the protests, and I don't think anyone has continued to say Brown is some upstanding citizen shot in cold blood.

Heck, I have supported the side that the killing was justified from early on, and my particular distaste was with the Media who caused a rush to judgment, but I find little about this case to cheer.

I find no need to exaggerate the events by stating definitively what happened in that car. I find no need to call Brown names (even though thug to me was always a hockey player when I was young). I find no need to make this seem like there weren't errors made.

It is pretty clear errors were made by both people. Brown, for being disobediant and confronting the officer, and by Wilson who certainly didn't need to kill him in the scuffle.

It is almost like you just want to provoke instead of making a case that facts are starting to show what most probably already believed happened anyway.

I love this argument too. Obvious continued attacks. And the naked shorting is real. Just google it and review the latest news...

In comment 11933462 PA Giant Fan said:

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Sorry but it has been the facts debated here or really the continued ignoring of facts. How many posts here are about tone and how many about the case itself? what is it? 15:1? So nice try...

haha. Step one. Act like a fuckface. Step two. complain that folks aren't discussing the facts and are instead discussing how you're being a fuckface. Step three. Declare victory.

I'm REALLY hoping step four is deleting this turd of a thread.

In comment 11933175 Rocky Thompson said:

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Waits to see when it's safe to kick the guy then runs back into the crowd, lol Not surprised, it's the only way he posts, pansy ass...

Rocky, that ass kicking you got the other night was not enough for you? LOL...You going to run to the mods again after starting shit in here also..Fucking pussy

You 'win'. Congrats!

Sorry I was right then and most were wrong. Same people here. Now they are still holding their position despite the facts....Again why the support of a street thug over a cop despite the evidence.

I am dense? Or are people that continue to hold this position despite the evidence dense?

to this day in America, in pay, incarceration rates, and hiring practices.

It was a matter of time before an issue of national prominence ran to the forefront. If it wasn't this as a catalyst, it would have been something.

And the fact that this is seen as some sort of "win" will to do nothing to calm the discord. This shouldn't be any sort of win. This should be a sad day for the significant issues we still face here.

But nah. Gloat.

on any side during the initial shooting.

It was a great post Montana proving exactly what I said about you. It was just a matter of time until you proved me right. Lol

In comment 11933480 PA Giant Fan said:

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I love this argument too. Obvious continued attacks. And the naked shorting is real. Just google it and review the latest news...

About as real as ManBearPig.

I railed about the coverage of the case and the rush to judgment.

But, I really see no need to bash Brown, since it has pretty much been seen that he wasn't just some innocent kid gunned down with his hands up, or some upstanding citizen killed for walking in the middle of the road.

The fact is, whether or not the reaction to the killing was appropriate, I have to believe that in a perfect scenario, Brown would have been arrested and not dead. That the officer, even if he was attacked would not have resorted to applying deadly force.

So people were wrong or reacted emotionally? I doubt many still feel that strongly today and you are sort of holding them to their initial outbursts.

Just seems really strange to me dude.

In comment 11933356 Rocky Thompson said:

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Can I still eat pizza? Or that's not allowed?

Only with anchovies.

And like I said then and said now, all those things exist but this was the wrong horse to back and it only gives credence to the racists and bigots. It has been and will be even more self defeating. Those supporting Brown should run from this while it is still salvageable. That was my point then and is now...

But like I keep saying here, folks are refusing to see the obvious and willing to drive that train straight into that wall. And there lies the responsibility for this entire mess. And Brown...

Is that it is extremely rare even in obvious cases for the prosecutors to charge the police in these types of shootings.

You were wrong on multiple facts in that other thread and making some new thread claiming some sort of victory, while ignoring the vast multitude of facts you had wrong in the other one, is ridiculous.

Cops rarely get charged in stuff like this, there is no victory here you horses ass.

In comment 11933383 Pork and Beans said:

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I see that guy running at me, even if I had a gun I'd be running the other way. It's the old line, "Don't shoot him; you'll just make him mad."

In comment 11933491 Rocky Thompson said:

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It was a great post Montana proving exactly what I said about you. It was just a matter of time until you proved me right. Lol

Rocky you don't say anything..You start shit, get your ass handed to you and then you run like a little bitch to the mods..Your an idiot that is universally hated on BBI...LOL, go away you petulant little boy

So their attacks on me then were ok then and ok now because they were emotional? Sounds like lots of excuses on your part and theirs. But we are all responsible for our actions. And the riots and protesting is on them....

And those still holding their position despite the evidence are responsible for this mess.

In comment 11933391 T-Bone said:

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In comment 11933365 PA Giant Fan said: Quote: Come on. There was a struggle in the car. Unless you believe the officer was really trying to pull a 6'5" 300lb man in through his window by the neck which is absurd on its surface, it is clear he attacked the officer. Not to mention the video of him robbing the store litterally right before this incident. Shots were fired inside the vehicle...why? ANd then you have the GJ witness info I linked as well. You have to to go great lengths and ignore the most likely, the obvious and common sense and the evidence at this point to support Browns side of this. You want to say you are not 100% sure? Fine but it is becoming pretty clear. I never said there wasn't a struggle in the car... only the reason for that struggle. Honestly, yes... I can very easily see an officer trying to grab a 300 lb man through his window as I've seen it happen before (although with a smaller man). So it's not like it's impossible for that to have happened. I personally just have a hard time believing that a high school kid would try to reach for a cops gun through a window. Not saying it can't happen, just that I have a hard time seeing a kid do that. Shot were fired in the car because of the struggle over the gun... what we don't know is why was there a struggle and/or how it started? You're convinced that Brown was a menace to society based on information that's been known for months now then be my guess. All I'm saying is that we don't know much more now than we did a few weeks or months ago... at least not based on that article.

There is absolutely no reason what so ever for an officer to grab what he believed at the time to be a robbery suspect by his neck through the drivers window and try to pull him in the car with him. Makes zero sense. Especially when you consider the size of Brown.

Its more believable that someone who just robbed someone would try and get away, or fight police.

We saw on the video from the gas station that Brown was not afraid to become violent.

Pretty much what I said happened is what happened. So you now agree the officer was very likely justified? lol

In comment 11933504 PA Giant Fan said:

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And like I said then and said now, all those things exist but this was the wrong horse to back and it only gives credence to the racists and bigots. It has been and will be even more self defeating. Those supporting Brown should run from this while it is still salvageable. That was my point then and is now... But like I keep saying here, folks are refusing to see the obvious and willing to drive that train straight into that wall. And there lies the responsibility for this entire mess. And Brown...

Are there better examples for the black community to rally behind? Yes.

But is this bringing out the absolute worst in others as well? Yes.

The, at times, heavy-handed responses have done nothing but fan the flames of what they feel is significant inequities in their lives.

There are failures on each and every side here, including the police.

In comment 11933515 halfback20 said:

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In comment 11933391 T-Bone said: Quote: In comment 11933365 PA Giant Fan said: Quote: Come on. There was a struggle in the car. Unless you believe the officer was really trying to pull a 6'5" 300lb man in through his window by the neck which is absurd on its surface, it is clear he attacked the officer. Not to mention the video of him robbing the store litterally right before this incident. Shots were fired inside the vehicle...why? ANd then you have the GJ witness info I linked as well. You have to to go great lengths and ignore the most likely, the obvious and common sense and the evidence at this point to support Browns side of this. You want to say you are not 100% sure? Fine but it is becoming pretty clear. I never said there wasn't a struggle in the car... only the reason for that struggle. Honestly, yes... I can very easily see an officer trying to grab a 300 lb man through his window as I've seen it happen before (although with a smaller man). So it's not like it's impossible for that to have happened. I personally just have a hard time believing that a high school kid would try to reach for a cops gun through a window. Not saying it can't happen, just that I have a hard time seeing a kid do that. Shot were fired in the car because of the struggle over the gun... what we don't know is why was there a struggle and/or how it started? You're convinced that Brown was a menace to society based on information that's been known for months now then be my guess. All I'm saying is that we don't know much more now than we did a few weeks or months ago... at least not based on that article. There is absolutely no reason what so ever for an officer to grab what he believed at the time to be a robbery suspect by his neck through the drivers window and try to pull him in the car with him. Makes zero sense. Especially when you consider the size of Brown. Its more believable that someone who just robbed someone would try and get away, or fight police. We saw on the video from the gas station that Brown was not afraid to become violent.

It has been stated repeatedly that he had no knowledge of the robbery.

We still don't really know what happened, so you're arguing over conjecture.

Would that help PA's time assessment?

Montana the sucker punching troll. Lol gotta love it...

In comment 11933518 PA Giant Fan said:

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Pretty much what I said happened is what happened. So you now agree the officer was very likely justified? lol

Not at all.. Without enough evidence they won't prosecute, does not make it justified Ace..We will see how justified it is when the civil case happens

We agree there. But those supporting this have this on their hands and the window is rapidly closing to salvage the situation. Like I said it only gives credence to the racists and bigots point of view.

Between the forensics and GJ witness who saw it from the struggle in the car the picture is pretty clear.

In comment 11933531 Rocky Thompson said:

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Would that help PA's time assessment? Montana the sucker punching troll. Lol gotta love it...

See here we go...Rocky starts shit, gets smacked..starts forming his whine about getting picked on to run to the mods...Classic Rocky M.O..

Loser in life, loser on BBI

The evidence is showing it to be justified

In comment 11933522 kickerpa16 said:

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In comment 11933504 PA Giant Fan said: Quote: Are there better examples for the black community to rally behind? Yes. But is this bringing out the absolute worst in others as well? Yes. The, at times, heavy-handed responses have done nothing but fan the flames of what they feel is significant inequities in their lives. There are failures on each and every side here, including the police.

Look at that. Thoughtful. Nuanced. Considering all sides.

Wrong thread?

I better start posting on the topic or people will see me for what I really am.

-------grit eatin Montanagirlie

In comment 11933546 Rocky Thompson said:

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I better start posting on the topic or people will see me for what I really am. -------grit eatin Montanagirlie

Rocky, while you were banned and begging to give Eric a ride somewhere to get back on BBI, we had a 15 page plus discussion about this subject..

Don't you need to start begging for some help that never shows at this point..lol

In comment 11933542 PA Giant Fan said:

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The evidence is showing it to be justified

You need to read the link you posted again. There is nothing unequivocally stated in that article that claims this was a 100% justified shooting

On a pizza, BMac

With the GJ witness testimony linked here, it becomes pretty obvious....Then understand that Brown was about 1.5 seconds away from Wilson....

Search naked shorts and all you find is more dense posts by OP.

Lesson learned is moderators are not going to save us from this crap.

You're a coward. You proved it. You waited to see who was winning the argument and you pounced, threw a sucker punch and ran away.

It's what you do, if anybody should be banned it's spineless idiots like you.