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Clock mismanagement at end of game by Coughlin.

lawguy9801 : 10/20/2014 4:04 pm
The Cowboys got a first down with about 2:25 or so left in the game. The Giants had two timeouts left. However, they let the clock go all the way to the two minute warning and didnt call one of their remaining timeouts until after the next play. As a result, when they held the Cowboys to a FG, they got the ball back with under a minute left and no timeouts.

Granted, it is overwhelmingly likely that it would not have made a difference, but calling an immediate timeout would have saved about 25 or so seconds, which could have been crucial had they somehow forced a turnover or Bailey missed the long FG.

not true. they called time with 2:28 on before 3rd down,  
Victor in CT : 10/20/2014 4:06 pm : link
and again before the punt
Stopping the Cowboys  
section125 : 10/20/2014 4:07 pm : link
on 3rd down after the 1st time out would have helped too....
I was really more upset with their inability  
Matt M. : 10/20/2014 4:07 pm : link
to get the stop on 3rd down on that drive. They stuffed 2 runs and then allow a wide open catch.
I don't know if it was clock mismanagement  
GIANTSr01 : 10/20/2014 4:13 pm : link
or an indication of his trust in the defense, but the end of the 1st half was odd. JPP gets the sack on 1st down bringing up 2nd and 19. Why not call a TO there with 1:20 on the clock? Instead Dallas runs the clock down before an incompletion (43 sec) and then a run at which point the Giants call their 1st TO.

So they get the ball back on their own 29 with 19 seconds left instead of an extra 30+ seconds. 40-50 seconds would've been plenty of time for Eli to move them into FG range.
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lawguy9801 : 10/20/2014 4:16 pm : link
At 2:25, they could have called their second timeout.
After first down play, final timeout.
After second down play, two minute warning.
After third down play, Dallas would have kicked FG with about 1:20 or so left on the clock.

Again, very unlikely that this would have mattered, but if something would have gone the Giants way on that last set of downs, it could have, and those extra 25 or so seconds -- with one or no timeouts -- could have been crucial.
after his presser  
SBlue46 : 10/20/2014 4:19 pm : link
He has no idea what's wrong
This type of clock mismanagement has been a them of TC's tenure  
Jacobs27 : 10/20/2014 4:21 pm : link
All you can do at this point is laugh and shake your head at it.
RE: This type of clock mismanagement has been a them of TC's tenure  
nicky43 : 10/20/2014 4:24 pm : link
In comment 11932404 Jacobs27 said:
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All you can do at this point is laugh and shake your head at it.


LOL! And a new BBI TC Myth is born! Unbelievable!
RE: RE: This type of clock mismanagement has been a them of TC's tenure  
Victor in CT : 10/20/2014 4:26 pm : link
In comment 11932410 nicky43 said:
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In comment 11932404 Jacobs27 said:


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All you can do at this point is laugh and shake your head at it.



LOL! And a new BBI TC Myth is born! Unbelievable!


Yes. Add it to "TC doesn't play rookies"
Coughlin's time management is usually excellent  
dpinzow : 10/20/2014 4:35 pm : link
don't see the real problem here
When Giants got within 7, anybody else think onside kick?  
GloryDayz : 10/20/2014 4:37 pm : link
There was like 5 minutes on the clock, would have been crazy I know, but the thought actually crossed my mind. Thought if anything it would have as much a chance of working as the defense making a meaningful stop.

I'm NOT saying they should have done that, but thats how much confidence I have in the defense.
RE: When Giants got within 7, anybody else think onside kick?  
nicky43 : 10/20/2014 4:42 pm : link
In comment 11932442 GloryDayz said:
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There was like 5 minutes on the clock, would have been crazy I know, but the thought actually crossed my mind. Thought if anything it would have as much a chance of working as the defense making a meaningful stop.

I'm NOT saying they should have done that, but thats how much confidence I have in the defense.


I was thinking the same thing but TC would not have done that the way Dallas Offense is playing so good.


I think the cowboys final third down began at 1:51  
cnuke : 10/20/2014 4:42 pm : link
If the giants had called timeout as you suggested, that same third down would have began at 2:00. So they would have saved 9 seconds. It would have been better if they called timeout before, but it was a very small impact.
Game was over at that point  
Giants4246 : 10/20/2014 4:50 pm : link
Defense couldn't make a 3rd down stop to save their lives. The bigger problem i have with coughlin is him insisting on running the ball when it wasnt working for shit.
He called a time out at 2:28....  
Doomster : 10/20/2014 4:51 pm : link
Cowboys then got a first down....he let the clock run to the 2 minute warning.....should have called a time out before the two minute warning........if he misses the fg, Giants get the ball, on 38, with more than 0:59 left.... but he didn't miss, and Coughlin didn't use the timeouts before the 2 minute warning.....but he should have....
clock management was fine  
Blue Baller : 10/20/2014 4:54 pm : link
not being able to get a stop on third down was the issue
Nothing wrong with the clock  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 10/20/2014 4:55 pm : link
Management ... That shits on the defense ... You know, the guys that run their mouths all the time and then fold like a cheap suit!
grasping at straws - this really doesn't matter  
PatersonPlank : 10/20/2014 4:57 pm : link
I hope Coughlin is focusing on getting stops rather than saving another 3 seconds in a game we are losing by 10.
It's been said before  
bignygfan : 10/20/2014 4:57 pm : link
There are reasons you let run to the 2-minute warning sted of calling TO to save eight or nine secs.

One is everything under 2 mins is automatic review so you wouldn't have to challenge and risk a TO lost for a fumble or spot.

And two, if they do fumble and you get it, you save that TO for your O on the change of possession. Meaning yo get the ball after the fumble at 1:55 with an extra TO as opposed to 2:08 with one less TO but the 2-minute warning so a matter of preference.

But we are splitting hairs for this.
The clock management was fine.  
FatHeadTommy : 10/20/2014 5:41 pm : link
The reason you don't call the time out there is because then you allow the opponent to have a throwing down. If the clock is at 2:05 or so, if you have called the timeout, the Cowboys don't have to be concerned that an incomplete will stop the clock, thus negating our need to call a time out. So by calling the timeout, with the 2 minute timeout imminent, you allow them to throw rather than forcing them to run, thus risking a bigger potential gain and a first down.
Yes too  
bignygfan : 10/20/2014 5:56 pm : link
on not letting them have a throwing down.
Glory  
JoefromPa : 10/20/2014 7:08 pm : link
I not only thought about the on sides kick, I verbalized it to my kids, for exactly the reason you state. Had a better chance of converting that, than the defense getting a stop in a big spot.
Shocked  
BobbyJohnson_4thand17 : 10/20/2014 9:24 pm : link
No one mentioned the clock mismanagement at the end of the first half. We stop the Cowboys and don't utilize our timeouts until there was something like 3 seconds left and then run another running play. I thought that was a huge missed opportunity especially with the Giants getting the ball to start the second half.
RE: Glory  
GloryDayz : 10/21/2014 12:09 am : link
In comment 11932681 JoefromPa said:
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I not only thought about the on sides kick, I verbalized it to my kids, for exactly the reason you state. Had a better chance of converting that, than the defense getting a stop in a big spot.


Would have been a crazy... A slap to the face of Fewell and every player on defense. Would have had a demoralizing effect on the whole defense possibly for the whole year. One of those cases that you know it's the right call, but you just can't do it.
RE: I don't know if it was clock mismanagement  
oipolloi : 10/21/2014 1:26 am : link
In comment 11932378 GIANTSr01 said:
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or an indication of his trust in the defense, but the end of the 1st half was odd. JPP gets the sack on 1st down bringing up 2nd and 19. Why not call a TO there with 1:20 on the clock? Instead Dallas runs the clock down before an incompletion


I think it was you said: Coughlin did not trust the defense and did not want to cal TO and have theCowboys go down and score.


But if you don't trust the defense, you can't play "Giants football" on offense. And you can't go to the power running game and also play no huddle or hurry up. Just makes no sense
RE: I don't know if it was clock mismanagement  
oipolloi : 10/21/2014 1:26 am : link
In comment 11932378 GIANTSr01 said:
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or an indication of his trust in the defense, but the end of the 1st half was odd. JPP gets the sack on 1st down bringing up 2nd and 19. Why not call a TO there with 1:20 on the clock? Instead Dallas runs the clock down before an incompletion


I think it was you said: Coughlin did not trust the defense and did not want to cal TO and have theCowboys go down and score.


But if you don't trust the defense, you can't play "Giants football" on offense. And you can't go to the power running game and also play no huddle or hurry up. Just makes no sense
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