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4th and 10 on Dallas 40

ImThatGuy : 10/20/2014 9:59 pm
Anyone else mad we punted in this situation? (Believe it was towards end of 3rd qtr - down 7).

Our defense couldn't stop a JV High School team, but we punt the ball within their 15. But in 2 plays Dallas makes it to the 50. Why not go for it?
Totally agree.  
Jacobs27 : 10/20/2014 10:03 pm : link
Either go for it or kick the 57 FGA. Our kicker was booting them out of the end zone and he's made a couple of 50 yarders recently with plenty of room to spare.

But punting the ball to get as little as 20 yards of extra field position is essentially a turnover.
I was flabbergasted Josh Brown  
allstarjim : 10/20/2014 10:15 pm : link
Didn't trot onto the field. He is certainly capable of hitting from 58. Why volunteer to take points off the board in that situation?
Do you know the odds of converting a 4th & 10 play?  
Tom in NY : 10/20/2014 10:22 pm : link
NFL statistics on teams needing to drive 80-90 yards are pretty clear...you punt the ball.

If that situation was mid-to-late 4th Qtr you might try it, but 3rd Qtr is too early.

That said, this year's defense is giving up 80/90 yard drives in a record pace...pathetic.
Said the same thing at the time.  
Toastt34 : 10/20/2014 10:50 pm : link
Gained 25 yards on the punt and gave 20 of it back on a Murray run the next play.
Totally Agree  
MikeinSeattle : 10/21/2014 1:19 am : link
Was a predictable and horrible decision given how our D was playing. If you want to win the game, you go for it there. Not great odds, but better than the odds of punting in that situation which made a Dallas win even more certain.

Contrast the guts of Jeff Fisher faking a punt against Seattle with the LEAD late in the 4th quarter in Rams territory knowing that his D could not stop Russell Wilson at that point. A great call.

Some day there will be a coach who will actually use statistical analysis in the NFL and behave more rationally. Will likely punt less than 50% than they do now - perhaps 75% less. That is one thing that Parcells was way ahead of his time on. But I will not hold my breath given how wed NFL coaches are to conventional wisdom.
RE: Totally Agree  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 10/21/2014 6:20 am : link
In comment 11933092 MikeinSeattle said:
Quote:
Was a predictable and horrible decision given how our D was playing. If you want to win the game, you go for it there. Not great odds, but better than the odds of punting in that situation which made a Dallas win even more certain.

Contrast the guts of Jeff Fisher faking a punt against Seattle with the LEAD late in the 4th quarter in Rams territory knowing that his D could not stop Russell Wilson at that point. A great call.

Some day there will be a coach who will actually use statistical analysis in the NFL and behave more rationally. Will likely punt less than 50% than they do now - perhaps 75% less. That is one thing that Parcells was way ahead of his time on. But I will not hold my breath given how wed NFL coaches are to conventional wisdom.


On a similar note, should they have tried an onside kick after scoring to get within 7 points in the 4th quarter? That is usually not a percentage play with about 5 minutes left and 3 time outs, but the odds change when you know your defense is totally incapable of making a stop. Your chances of a recovery should also be better when the opposition is not expecting an onside kick.
Should  
SoZKillA : 10/21/2014 6:32 am : link
Have went for it, our defense was going to give a score either way.
Trying a 57 yard FG  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/21/2014 7:19 am : link
probably has a 30-35% chance to succeed. Picking up the first down on 4th and 10 probably is less.

Miss the FG, you still are losing by 7 and the Cowboys get the ball nearly in scoring territory.

Being the 3rd quarter, the punt was the best move, unless of course, it is looked at in hindsight because we didn't stop the Cowboys.
Good example of how  
trueblueinpw : 10/21/2014 7:28 am : link
Our Giants don't play good team football. Offense isn't likely to convert there so ideally you want to punt and pin the opposing team deep in their own territory. A good D holds em to three and out and you get the ball back.

But our special teams aren't good and our defense is soft in big situations.
Coughlin didn't want to give them a short field  
Tuckrule : 10/21/2014 8:57 am : link
Because that would have certainly led to a score. I understand his thought process and it's always easy to second guess. 4th and 10, you dnt go for it. Either kick the field goal or punt the ball.
Yes, that call made me crazy.  
Section331 : 10/21/2014 9:04 am : link
Dallas had just gone up 21-14, and I thought we needed to regain some momentum.
Grow a set and fucking go for it  
Giants4246 : 10/21/2014 9:19 am : link
Season on the line, you're losing the game, on the road against your arch rival and your defense can't make a stop to save their lives.
So if we went for it..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/21/2014 9:29 am : link
didn't make it and Dallas immediately goes up by 14, you guys wouldn't complain?

I'm calling horseshit on that.
RE: So if we went for it..  
Section331 : 10/21/2014 10:25 am : link
In comment 11933341 FatMan in Charlotte said:
Quote:
didn't make it and Dallas immediately goes up by 14, you guys wouldn't complain?

I'm calling horseshit on that.


All I can say is that I wanted to go for it at that time, and I would have defended the call here. I would not have tried a FG, though.
" I agree. Our defense was  
bob in tx : 10/21/2014 10:26 am : link
sucking".


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