Thoughts on Prince's performance?

Dez Bryant is a monster!

he got abused some by Bryant in the second half. He played better against him last year.

Prince at MSG a few years ago was pretty rockin'. I think he was still the Artist Formerly Known as at the time, but I don't remember.

player. Prince has been our most consistent defensive player this year...

On the honeymoon?

If Elvis Patterson was toast what was Prince against Dez,a Royal Flush?

Best to forget that one, he's a good corner that got toasted? flushed?

Of course a pass rush would be nice, still like him but if you're gonna grade him, D+ is generous...

In comment 11933052 Chris in Philly said:

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player. Prince has been our most consistent defensive player this year...

I would argue that Demps has been more consistent ;)

hard to compliment anyone.

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In comment 11933052 Chris in Philly said: Quote: player. Prince has been our most consistent defensive player this year... I would argue that Demps has been more consistent ;)

Ha. Sadly, that is fair...

Everybody gets beat now and then, especially going toe to toe with Dez Bryant. Prince has been playing pretty great this season, and seems to really have picked up his game from last year. He just keeps improving.
It's a team sport, and he goes as the Giants go, but Prince has been reliable. He is going to be one of our key guys moving forward, and I hope he can stay healthy, positive, and productive.

In comment 11933052 Chris in Philly said:

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player. Prince has been our most consistent defensive player this year...

One has nothing to do with the other. Prince allowed Bryant to take over the game late.

In comment 11933067 chris r said:

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In comment 11933052 Chris in Philly said: Quote: player. Prince has been our most consistent defensive player this year... One has nothing to do with the other. Prince allowed Bryant to take over the game late.

You're right. Dez's performance in the second half was entirely Prince's fault.

Bryant has quite a few inches on him and Romo was throwing strikes where only Bryant could grab it. There was absolutely no pass rush and a DB isn't allowed to hold and grab pass 5 yards. That play where Romo was twirling about before he threw it sums up the Giants front's effort against the Dallas OL and Romo.

In comment 11933067 chris r said:

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In comment 11933052 Chris in Philly said: Quote: player. Prince has been our most consistent defensive player this year... One has nothing to do with the other. Prince allowed Bryant to take over the game late.

What are u talking about? Genius coaches should have had him on Dez every snap.

He played well. Many catches Dez had on him Prince was right there. Not much you can do about his size and athleticism. They could have done a better job doubling him, but I saw Demps try a few times and he looked putrid. He was the best corner who played, so there were no other alternatives.

despite clearly attempting to do so; Prince earned a minus grade vs Dez Sunday. And Dez's career stats suggest he is NOT a clear #1 WR in the class of Fitz, Calvin Johnson, or in fact even pre-2014 Nicks or Cruz or Jones or Green.

LOL that dep of course would argue otherwise!

D+ or thereabouts for Prince Sunday. Not a performance meriting a big contract going forward. Not as good as JPP vs Tyron, as a comparison.

why Prince in general is just short of being a top notch cover corner in this league. And why the FO invested big in DRC.

corners in the entire league who can jam Dez effectively at the line.

Yeah, he's been more consistent—at being totally mediocre, and that's being kind. Sure, he makes the occasional good play, but that is promptly followed by seven others that range anywhere from average to terrible. Sheesh.

In comment 11933108 VanPelt/Manning#10 said:

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Yeah, he's been more consistent—at being totally mediocre, and that's being kind. Sure, he makes the occasional good play, but that is promptly followed by seven others that range anywhere from average to terrible. Sheesh.

That one went right over your head

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Yeah, he's been more consistent—at being totally mediocre, and that's being kind. Sure, he makes the occasional good play, but that is promptly followed by seven others that range anywhere from average to terrible. Sheesh.

Wow! Sarcasm is really tough to interpret I guess... c'mon

Even if you give him an F in the second half, he played about as well as you could in the first.

When the game was tied he played just fine. Then they pulled away and continued to pound the rush and get not pressure and abysmal safety help. What's he supposed to do?

Even when Prince was right with him, he still gave up some catches.

but sometimes I wonder if I watch the same game. You have a guy playing the hardest position on defense against the best player on their offense, pretty much 1 on 1 all game with no help since we couldn't stop the run. That's what I saw. And if that nets a D+ then I'll take a C grade from him for the rest of his career.

is a tough match-up
When Romo has all the time he wants - it's near impossible
And when the coverage is good and Romo fits it into a tight spot - it is impossible to stop
To my eye Prince played like a top corner
Even Richard Sherman and Revis get beat nowadays

If you want to pick on some - pick on our "pure cover corner" DRC who can take tackling lessons from Prince (and apparently has serious durability issues)

Prince may just be my favorite player right now

Dez's greatness is his ability to win tight matchups in single coverage. Prince's weakness is his ball skills, it is always going to be Prince's most challenging game.

In comment 11933258 UConn4523 said:

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but sometimes I wonder if I watch the same game. You have a guy playing the hardest position on defense against the best player on their offense, pretty much 1 on 1 all game with no help since we couldn't stop the run. That's what I saw. And if that nets a D+ then I'll take a C grade from him for the rest of his career.

Spot on. And BlueLou, Dez is undoubtedly a clear #1. He's on pace for 1200+ yds and 10+ TD's. Which would the 3rd consecutive year of him hitting those numbers.

But I don't think he played poorly, he was just bested by arguably the most talented receiver in football.

throw the ball.

And yeah, unfortunately Dez Bryant has turned into the "baby T.O." we all hoped he wouldn't. He's a beast.

also against Fenner, on the busted coverage. I think Prince did fair against him in the 2nd half. Prince not getting a good enough jam on him, IMO.

Dez and Marshall.....

So you put your best corner on their best WR...their WR won....only play Prince made was the int....does he make it if Dez doesn't fall down? Probably not....probably not a catch either, since the ball was under thrown, and both guys would have had a shot at it....

Dez owned him pure and simple.....yes coverage was tight, but Dez still caught the ball.....

Next game, who knows....when you have two good players doing up against each other one is going to win....Dez has an additiontal edge because his team is playing better...

Prince is the type of player you don't mind cutting a check to. He doesn't even drink. He loves playing football. He's durable. He projects to continue to improve.

As an investment, he's as good as it gets in the NFL.

I continue to think Prince is really underrated around here.

Dez is a beast and bested Prince a few times. But I didn't think that had anything to do with Prince - Romo and Dez both played great.

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Dez and Marshall..... So you put your best corner on their best WR...their WR won....only play Prince made was the int....does he make it if Dez doesn't fall down? Probably not....probably not a catch either, since the ball was under thrown, and both guys would have had a shot at it.... Dez owned him pure and simple.....yes coverage was tight, but Dez still caught the ball..... Next game, who knows....when you have two good players doing up against each other one is going to win....Dez has an additiontal edge because his team is playing better...

I'll wait patiently for you to start naming CB's who don't have any problems with freakishly athletic / talented WR's like Bryant or Marshall.

made a great play on an underthrown ball and showed good concentration on the pick. he also got beat a few times by a very good receiver. he Hankins and JPP have been the top three players on defense for the GMEN this season.

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In comment 11933052 Chris in Philly said: Quote: player. Prince has been our most consistent defensive player this year... One has nothing to do with the other. Prince allowed Bryant to take over the game late.

he did, unfortunately. Is a good OP, is an interesting question. Prince has been adequate, I think he is one of the better corners in the NFL, but he isn't the best.Dez Bryant being awesome or not, I would not have expected to see Bryant assert himself over Prince like that in the second half.I knew he was going to get his catches, but I thought he could have been held to a couple less.I honestly think his DC should have coached a better game and maybe he would have bent and not broke. If Amukamura has flaws, Fewell set him up to be exposed, is what I think. He got no help.He's a good kid and we should resign long term him going forward.

Dez was making contested catches on outstanding throws.

Prince had his hand on there many times. Saved a couple but lost the matchup.

It's extremely difficult a task.

Richard Sherman struggled with Dez Bryant last week.

Dez was making contested catches on outstanding throws.

Prince had his hand on there many times. Saved a couple but lost the matchup.

It's extremely difficult a task.

Richard Sherman struggled with Dez Bryant last week.

In comment 11933635 Great White Ghost said:

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In comment 11933067 chris r said: Quote: In comment 11933052 Chris in Philly said: Quote: player. Prince has been our most consistent defensive player this year... One has nothing to do with the other. Prince allowed Bryant to take over the game late. he did, unfortunately. Is a good OP, is an interesting question. Prince has been adequate, I think he is one of the better corners in the NFL, but he isn't the best.Dez Bryant being awesome or not, I would not have expected to see Bryant assert himself over Prince like that in the second half.I knew he was going to get his catches, but I thought he could have been held to a couple less.I honestly think his DC should have coached a better game and maybe he would have bent and not broke. If Amukamura has flaws, Fewell set him up to be exposed, is what I think. He got no help.He's a good kid and we should resign long term him going forward.

This is when you know the DC can't win.

One week, all the complaints are that he's a "press corner" and should be playing press / man because that's what suits his strengths. (Little secret, Prince plays a lot of it)

Then when he gives up a few catches doing exactly that, the coach is "setting him up to be exposed"

There's no pleasing everyone.

when you are going to allow romo a clean pocket and the ability to throw whenever he wants and place the ball wherever he wants, there's no stopping it

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In comment 11933258 UConn4523 said: Quote: but sometimes I wonder if I watch the same game. You have a guy playing the hardest position on defense against the best player on their offense, pretty much 1 on 1 all game with no help since we couldn't stop the run. That's what I saw. And if that nets a D+ then I'll take a C grade from him for the rest of his career. Spot on. And BlueLou, Dez is undoubtedly a clear #1. He's on pace for 1200+ yds and 10+ TD's. Which would the 3rd consecutive year of him hitting those numbers.

Stephen thank you for addressing the issue of Dez Bryant being a "clear cut #1 WR" to me. I didn't make the statement blindly without researching it, which I did a couple of weeks ago. The issue I addressed in research was "what simple basic stats best define a #1 WR?"

After looking at a # of stats availabe at NFL.com I finally figured out that the % of plays a WR makes at 20 yards+ and 40 yards + is probably the best simple stat that seperates out clear cut # 1 WRS. Calvin Johnson is the top dog by far by this parameter, and the top 5 guys over the last 5 years are pretty much who you suspect excepting Dez. Dez is about 10th, Brandon Marshall worse. Both Cruz and Nicks were a good bit better than Dez in this stat, roughly 6th and 7th on the list.

Maybe it' Dallas' O versus Gillbride's, but I think not. I think Dez is not all that great a deep threat, maybe because he doesn't track balls as well as Nicks or Cruz or Johnson or Fitz or Jones or Green or Wayne - all guys who performed considerably better than Dez by this stat but also guys who catch possession passes too, which Dez is very very good at.

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to reply.

IMO for % catches over 20 yards (including also over 40 yards.) Green IIRC was close, Nicks and Cruz were very similar at 24-25%. Dez was under 20%. He catches proportionally more short and mid range passes.

He's a beast at that, but he's not a great threat to take to top of defenses I surmise.

I'd have to watch more of Dallas to be sure...

The top off of...

He played very well in the first half. In the second half, for the most part, he still had pretty good coverage but the balls were thrown where only Bryant could really get them. What stood out to me was the failed jam at the LOS. I also wonder why there didn't seem to be any help over the top by a S.

Prince was out-sized, simple as that. Played well but Bryant is undeniably nasty.

he had good coverage. Nothing anybody can do with some of them. Bryant is very strong. Everybody has trouble jamming him including DRC.

Being physically overmatched would be one thing. Prince just completely whiffed, which is what bothered me.

to every CB when dealing with a guy like Bryant. I don't know how often he missed like that, I only saw it once on the play where JPP hit Romo.

He had pretty good coverage on many throws but the ball was thrown in a perfect spot. Sometimes the QB makes good throws

In comment 11933062 Chris in Philly said:

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In comment 11933058 dep026 said: Quote: In comment 11933052 Chris in Philly said: Quote: player. Prince has been our most consistent defensive player this year... I would argue that Demps has been more consistent ;) Ha. Sadly, that is fair...

I had to read it twice before I got it. HAHA.

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He had pretty good coverage on many throws but the ball was thrown in a perfect spot. Sometimes the QB makes good throws

Just goes to show what an above average QB with a real good WR and a great OL can do to even the best defenses.

Give the Cowboys credit, their offense was hitting on all cylinders on Sunday.

and after watching his run after last weeks interception, we can use him as a running back if we lose another one.

A good & becoming great CB. He isn't a problem. And Dez is a beast so it would follow that he would make plays against anyone.

The WR is always open for some type of throw. If the QB has the time to read the relative position, and set up. And if the QB has the talent to be accurate on most throws, the cover guy, even if good, is relegated to contest and tackle. Hope for a QB mistake.

In the first half the results were more clear, but in the second half Bryant hit the gas pedal and Romo made some perfect throws where only Bryant would get his hands on the pass. It happens in the NFL. Prince is still a strong talent who's growing and improving each week.

Prince is a big, strong, quick corner and he couldn't even touch Bryant at times. It's not necessarily on Prince, sometimes one athlete is simply superior. You saw some special play between Bryant and Romo last Sunday, unfortunately.