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NFT: Anonymous agents crap all over Kobe

DanMetroMan : 10/21/2014 12:37 am
"Peek behind the banners," says one longtime NBA agent, "and it's rotten."

"Kobe is like the big rock in their front yard," says an agent who has had a Lakers client in recent years. "You can't mow over it, so you just have to mow around it."

Another agent with current Lakers clients was asked whether Bryant undermined the team's rebuilding by alienating would-be free agent recruits. "Well, duh," he replied. "Isn't that obvious?"


"I've had a lot of clients in the last five years, good players, who didn't want to play with Kobe," says an agent who has had numerous NBA stars. "They see that his teammates become the chronic public whipping boys. Anyone who could possibly challenge Kobe for the spotlight ends up becoming a pincushion for the media. Even Shaq."



"I just never felt like the Lakers put as much effort into the building-the-team part of it," says an agent who once had a free agent decline a Lakers offer. "I saw some things in the players' parking lot. Conversations between Bynum and his people and some people with the Lakers. It got pretty rough and heated."

"It's horrendous. It's evil. It's a hard drug to quit when you're winning," says a front office executive from a rival team who knows everyone involved well. "Kobe has cost the Lakers dearly in human capital. Kobe has hurt a lot of people. In some cases jeopardized careers."
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Vin R : 10/21/2014 12:57 am : link
Making Bynum..  
Chris in Philly : 10/21/2014 1:12 am : link
into anything resembling victim is the wrong way to go. Plenty of ammo against Kobe without scratching the bottom of the barrel there.
Media piling on when he's in the twilight of his career  
David in LA : 10/21/2014 2:16 am : link
I think players aren't signing because he's aging, his contract takes up a huge chunk of the cap, and Fredo Buss is running the show.
RE: Media piling on when he's in the twilight of his career  
SanFranGiantsFan : 10/21/2014 6:06 am : link
In comment 11933103 David in LA said:
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I think players aren't signing because he's aging, his contract takes up a huge chunk of the cap, and Fredo Buss is running the show.


+1.

Jim Buss is the new Jimmy Dolan.
David in LA  
Jesse B : 10/21/2014 6:08 am : link
I can't remember a big free agent signing there even in his prime. Weren't they aml traded there?
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SanFranGiantsFan : 10/21/2014 6:29 am : link
I will add this: Kobe is a tough dude to play with. He's going to take his shots, consequences be dammed, & that's just the way things are going to be. And he's hard on people; see Howard, Dwight. Some people can take it & others can't.
RE: Media piling on when he's in the twilight of his career  
PhiPsi125 : 10/21/2014 7:47 am : link
In comment 11933103 David in LA said:
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I think players aren't signing because he's aging, his contract takes up a huge chunk of the cap, and Fredo Buss is running the show.


Isn't it agents and executives that are piling on? Certainly not the media. Kobe is the media's darling.
kobe is kobe  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/21/2014 9:16 am : link
It was never going to end well and these last couple years are going to be a hot mess. On some level i feel bad for him due to the chronic shots that will inevitably be fired his way this season and next as father time kicks his ass, (that is if he is even on the floor enough to be part of the conversation). But then i remember how generally overrated his career has been (still awesome, but unquestionably overrated) and how wildly revisionist the view is in regards to 3 of his 5 titles, as if he was anything other than the sidekick to the most dominant force in the league, at a time when shaq was literally about as dominant as anyone ever.Then i feel less bad

3 sidekick rings have inflated the hell out of kobes legacy
Joe  
dep026 : 10/21/2014 9:28 am : link
did you watch the Cavs/Bulls game last night? I am praying for a healthy season by all because that can finally lead a rivalry that the NBA hasnt seen in some time. Bulls didnt have Butler, but Rose was awesome. Two very high level teams.
dep  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/21/2014 9:30 am : link
I watched every second. Rose looked great. I cant wait for this season to start.
I've  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2014 9:35 am : link
mentioned this before but a friend of mine is related to an ex-Laker and he absolutely fucking HATES Kobe and has horror stories. He also played with Shaq, Wade (and others) and had nothing bad to say about any stars but Kobe.
is this really news?  
Greg from LI : 10/21/2014 9:39 am : link
Didn't everyone already know that Kobe is an asshole?
I talked to Scott Burrell  
Vin R : 10/21/2014 9:40 am : link
a few times.. once asked him about if those negative Jordan stories were true, he just looked at me and smiled. No explanation needed I guess.


Also heard horror stories about Chris Berman. Then I met him and he started a convo with me talking sports, he was actually a very nice guy.
so Vin R is Leather?  
Greg from LI : 10/21/2014 9:41 am : link
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Leather?.. who's that?  
Vin R : 10/21/2014 9:42 am : link
lol
You're with me, Leather  
Greg from LI : 10/21/2014 9:44 am : link
Never heard that one before?
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phil jackson himself put enough stories in a book to paint the picture  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/21/2014 9:45 am : link
But in fairness to kobe, part of me thinks weve never really seen the real kobe. Hell, kobe may not even know the real kobe. He has been too busy doing a michael jordan impression all these years. From the way he walks, to the way he talks, to the way he chews his gum. Its always been eery. He similarly wants to brand himself psycho competitor and assassin like mj was, which bleeds into his actions. Almost like a method actor who cant let go of the character. Similar to how a ballerina like tupac could slowly evolve into the actual character he was fronting to be

Kobes greatness lies in the fact that he was a top 5-6 player for 13 or 14 years in a row. Hell of an accomplishment. He was never at any point though decisively the best player in the league, even during his lone mvp season.
guys who aren't soft pussies like Howard and Bynum don't mind  
chris r : 10/21/2014 9:45 am : link
Playing with Kobe.
and some of kobes shit is so transparent  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/21/2014 9:51 am : link
Like his playoff underbite face. "Oh look at me im such a psycho competitor out for blood". Stop it.
haha wow Greg  
Vin R : 10/21/2014 9:51 am : link
never read that before
I can see that, Joe  
Greg from LI : 10/21/2014 9:53 am : link
MJ had no act - he really was a single-minded lunatic. Kobe definitely seemed like he was playing that role rather than living it.
it's better than the let me run off and join  
chris r : 10/21/2014 9:54 am : link
Two other top ten players because I'm scared face. Or the flop as a steroid ridden 270 lber and then look disgusted when I get called on it face.
lebrons two rings were won with less help  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/21/2014 10:02 am : link
Than any of jordans or kobes. And for the majority of kobes rings, he WAS the help. When one player leads the team in scoring, rebounding and assists and is their best defender at 4 positions, thats not a superteam. Thats superman. That was miami over the last 4 seasons. Weakest interior defense and rebounding than any team weve seen win too.

and i love how lebron was scared to face wade, who in the 4 years prior to lebrons arrival was sub .500 with zero playoff series wins. Or boshs raptors. Lets see them go win 55 games this year and contend like the bulls did without mj in 94, the overexpansion pre foreign talent infusion most watered down era in nba history
Kobe  
EricNY33 : 10/21/2014 10:04 am : link
is now and always was an arrogant prick. That's not an act.
i dont believe its an act in the classic sense  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/21/2014 10:07 am : link
I think he evolved into that because he was raised by michael jordan. He has an obsession with him and wznts to simi.arly embodie all his character traits. It has been obvious from day 1
RE: it's better than the let me run off and join  
dep026 : 10/21/2014 10:07 am : link
In comment 11933418 chris r said:
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Two other top ten players because I'm scared face. Or the flop as a steroid ridden 270 lber and then look disgusted when I get called on it face.


Should we consider Gasol a ring chaser now?
RE: i dont believe its an act in the classic sense  
EricNY33 : 10/21/2014 10:08 am : link
In comment 11933455 MarshallOnMontana said:
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I think he evolved into that because he was raised by michael jordan. He has an obsession with him and wznts to simi.arly embodie all his character traits. It has been obvious from day 1


This is true. It's been evident from the beginning.
RE: RE: it's better than the let me run off and join  
EricNY33 : 10/21/2014 10:08 am : link
In comment 11933457 dep026 said:
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In comment 11933418 chris r said:


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Two other top ten players because I'm scared face. Or the flop as a steroid ridden 270 lber and then look disgusted when I get called on it face.



Should we consider Gasol a ring chaser now?


By going to Chicago? LOL a little presumptuous aren't we?
rings are lebron chasers  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/21/2014 10:10 am : link
They werent going to miami if he wasnt there over the past 4 years. They sure as heck would not be anticipated to show up in cleveland if he wasnt there. If as a hater, it pains you to see lebron win rings, i think your beef is with the rings.
This is nothing new. And Kobe himself has admitted many times  
GiantFilthy : 10/21/2014 10:11 am : link
how difficult he is to work with. Yet people keep writing as if it's new and suckers eat it up. Every. Single. Year. And now that he is near the end they will up the frequency.

These articles are for the MoM's who fifteen years from now will have altered history enough to show that Kobe was just a hair above the level of Smush Parker.
Anybody hear the Skip Bayless segment  
B in ALB : 10/21/2014 10:14 am : link
this morning with SAS where he claims Kobes rape trial helped him sell more shoes? Before the rape he didn't have that "edge and sizzle" according to Bayless. Then bam! Rape trial and shoes are flying off the shelves.

That guy is a fucking toilet stain.
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thats not fair  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/21/2014 10:18 am : link
Career wise i have him top 12 to 14 ish all time. His longevity at a high level was super impressive. If i had to rank single year bests or best 3 year spans, he would definitely be lower, maybe not top 20. Kobes best is not super impactful relative to many other all time greats. Durant right now is arguably even playing at a higher level than kobe ever did. But he has a lot of work to do to match his creet
match his career  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/21/2014 10:18 am : link
Not creet
Sounds like Steve Jobs, difficult to work with  
#10* : 10/21/2014 10:29 am : link
but necessary for success.
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dep026 : 10/21/2014 10:30 am : link
In comment 11933463 EricNY33 said:
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Two other top ten players because I'm scared face. Or the flop as a steroid ridden 270 lber and then look disgusted when I get called on it face.



Should we consider Gasol a ring chaser now?



By going to Chicago? LOL a little presumptuous aren't we?


You dont see Chicago as a top contender? They are easily at worst the 2nd best team in the East and probably a top 5 team in the NBA.
Not enough  
EricNY33 : 10/21/2014 10:32 am : link
to say picking them as a destination is "ring chasing". No. I don't
his longevity  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/21/2014 10:43 am : link
of being great is due to his super competitive drive. I don't think it was an act at all.

Most incredibly driven, focused individuals aren't well liked because they demand others work as hard as they do, and most people don't want to work that hard.

There is plenty to dislike about Kobe and much criticism to be made. But using Andrew Bynum in any way to make that point is laughable and undermines the topic.
paul  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/21/2014 10:50 am : link
There is being driven and then there is throwing guys under the bus routinely publicly after losses to deflect blame from yourself, something kobe has done countless times.

Lets not mistake drive with petulance. Kobe is often a little baby. And before we laud that as a trait responsible for titles, lets ponder how many they robbed the lakers of after 02 and before the pau trade in 08. He basically blew up a dynasty in progress because he didnt want to be 2nd fiddle. First by poisoning the locker room from the inside out and then by orchestrating the break up.
Listened to an interview with the writer this morning  
GiantFilthy : 10/21/2014 10:52 am : link
on an LA radio station. I quote:

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I mean, don't get me wrong. Kobe was a..... good player.


He's fishing for haters.
Just catching up on this thread, but regarding this...  
Overseer : 10/21/2014 11:09 am : link
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But then i remember how generally overrated his career has been (still awesome, but unquestionably overrated) and how wildly revisionist the view is in regards to 3 of his 5 titles, as if he was anything other than the sidekick to the most dominant force in the league, at a time when shaq was literally about as dominant as anyone ever.

I'm not sure where the revisionism is. Rather, the conventional wisdom (which is correct) seems to be that those were indeed Shaq's teams and Kobe was the clear 2nd guy. A fact re-inforced once Shaq was gone and they were a mostly middling team until another capable (though obv not Shaq level) big came to LA. Will never forget his game 7 against Boston where he was ice cold all night and totally bailed out by Pau & Artest.

overseer  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/21/2014 11:14 am : link
Its all over the place. Many people are strictly ring counters, and there were tons of people ready to annoint kobe as mj's equal if he ever found a way to win a 6th. Hell, i see many people who rank kobe ahead of shaq on all time lists because of 5 to 4, when they werent even comparable at their peak
Well it's difficult to parse the various sources  
Overseer : 10/21/2014 11:27 am : link
but my general impression was always that it was Shaq's world, he was just living in it (maybe as a Nets fan I am still shellshocked from a prime-Shaq beatdown). "Hack-a-Shaq" was repeated over and over as the only way to hope to best those Lakers teams. Although credit to Ben Wallace who went beast mode in the 04 finals when they beat LA.
shaq still got his in 04  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/21/2014 11:39 am : link
Kobe shot them out of that series though gunning for a finals mvp. Im still more stunned by that series than any result ever, especially how dominant detroit looked. Winning in 5 and losing because of a late three in their lone loss, they were dominant as huge dogs

kobe was a top 5-6 player himself during the kobe/shaq threepeat, dont get me wrong. He wasnt some bystander by any stretch. But shaq during this period was just historically dominant, best player in the league by a mile. Could have been a legit goat contender if he gave a shit about staying in shape
shaq still got his in 04  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/21/2014 11:39 am : link
Kobe shot them out of that series though gunning for a finals mvp. Im still more stunned by that series than any result ever, especially how dominant detroit looked. Winning in 5 and losing because of a late three in their lone loss, they were dominant as huge dogs

kobe was a top 5-6 player himself during the kobe/shaq threepeat, dont get me wrong. He wasnt some bystander by any stretch. But shaq during this period was just historically dominant, best player in the league by a mile. Could have been a legit goat contender if he gave a shit about staying in shape
Kobe's contract is just a joke  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 10/21/2014 11:40 am : link
Dirk and Duncan are out there taking bigtime paycuts to strength their teams. An in-his prime LeBron decided to take a paycut to form the Big 3 in Miami.

Yet an old ass already been paid millions upon millions Kobe Bryant refused to take any paycut whatsoever. Fuck You, Pay Me. That's what Kobe said to the Lakers. I lost a lot of respect for Kobe with these past negotiations. He clearly valued money over everything and it was a slap to the face of the Lakers.

Kobe's a douche but we've always known that. It's the absurd contract that he signed for that's the real problem in LA.

Don't get me started on the contract.  
GiantFilthy : 10/21/2014 11:55 am : link
But, I'd say basketball reasons, injuries (tops in the league 320 games lost last season for their players), and Dwight Howard being a vag are the reasons why the Lakers are where they are now more so than Kobe's contract.

Also, people can harp on "Fredo" Buss all they want. He is horrible when it comes to coaching hires, but homeboy put a plan in action, successfully prior to the veto after the tears of other owners piled up, to pair Paul, Kobe, and Howard together. Would still rather have Jeanie running the show, but I haven't forgotten that he pulled that trigger.
Lebron won with less?  
KWALL : 10/21/2014 12:06 pm : link
I don't know how you say that. Lebron had better talent with the 2nd & 3rd best players on the rosters.
Howard is a vag and Kobe is a dick  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 10/21/2014 12:06 pm : link
You'd think it would be a good fit, but it wasn't. Kobe being an asshole is one of the major reasons why Dwight wanted no part of staying in LA. Can't blame Dwight for disliking Kobe.

Shaq
Gasol
Dwight

Those are the 3 best players Kobe has played with over his career. He ripped all 3 of those guys in public. Called Shaq a lazy fuck, showed Howard no respect, and he continually ragged on Gasol for being a pussy. Despite the fact that Gasol outplayed Kobe in most of the big games during their two-peat.
I'm talking about the last 2  
KWALL : 10/21/2014 12:07 pm : link
for Kobe. Agree 100% about him being a distant 2nd to Shaq. Kobe also killed them in the DET series.
Kobe was a spoiled child during the Shaq years.  
GiantFilthy : 10/21/2014 12:15 pm : link
A very young superstar who had everything handed to him. He's called his past self an "asshole" publicly since then.

Dwight, however, got everything he deserved. Flat out refusing to run the plays that are called, refusing to work on parts of his game, telling Nash he doesn't need his help regarding free throws, refusing to care. Fuck him. I'm glad he is gone as someone who loves the franchise.
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