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Victor in CT : 10/21/2014 8:39 am
night?

Carl had some very interesting remarks on the running game. Said that the line indeed stunk, but that there were still plays there to be made and may have been made by Jennings, who is more experienced and polished. He described Williams as being afraid to make a mistake, so he follows the play to the letter rather than letting his instincts take over in order to exploit the opportunity. He thinks AW will be fine, he will get there, just a matter of gaining experience and confidence.

So, props to all my fellow BBIers who wrote yesterday that if Jennings had played maybe they would have had some better results in the running game. Sharp eyes all.
Carl also threw Perry Fewell under the bus  
BlueHurricane : 10/21/2014 8:41 am : link
When asked about the Giants blitz packages he said "They do not know how to blitz"
Yes he did.  
Victor in CT : 10/21/2014 8:43 am : link
I can only focus on one topic per thread :-)
RE: Carl also threw Perry Fewell under the bus  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/21/2014 8:44 am : link
In comment 11933220 BlueHurricane said:
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When asked about the Giants blitz packages he said "They do not know how to blitz"


That's not throwing him under the bus. It's pretty dead on.
I thought Carl was dead wrong in his assessment of the  
PSIMMS 22-25-268 : 10/21/2014 8:44 am : link
running game. Only at the end did he talk about the possibility that maybe the Giants should have thrown more. This is the 2d game in a row that all 5 Giants O-Linemen graded out negatively on PFF. And if you don't believe in their metrics, the eyeball test should tell you that there has been very little running room the past two weeks. In fact, I thought Williams ran very well and made something out of nothing on multiple runs.
carl missin point  
SBlue46 : 10/21/2014 8:47 am : link
Aw cant catch yet...he can improvise a little
by waiting for block but when they did delay
run he got ot hit in backfield..there were no holes.
the only way he does better is if they use off
tackle oline shift plays like in ps
He made it a point to say he is not criticizing Williams.He thought he  
Victor in CT : 10/21/2014 8:48 am : link
played well, but his inexperience showed.
I don't think it was either one or the other - it was both.  
Ira : 10/21/2014 8:49 am : link
The o-line didn't block the running plays well and Williams didn't make the best of what he had.
I'm not sure I agree with that....  
damdevs : 10/21/2014 8:50 am : link
Williams is a nice straight line if the hole is there runner. He lacks the agility or side to side quickness that you need.

He reminds me of a zone, one cut RB that would excell in a zone blocking scheme. He just doesn't have the ability to breakdown in the hole and make a move on a defender.
Seems pretty obvious....  
Wonderphil11 : 10/21/2014 8:51 am : link
to me that a veteran RB would be able to see some things and react to them better than a rookie....that said, there were really no holes to speak of as the Oline was mauled.
I agree with him on AW  
BlueHurricane : 10/21/2014 8:53 am : link
He seems at times to be very explosive and others to be unsure of himself. He will get better. The talent is there. I think in the long run he is a Marion Barber type player. Will never be a stud but can be a pretty good back in a one two punch.
Jennings  
mdthedream : 10/21/2014 8:54 am : link
is a very underrated running back. He is a lot better than Williams at this point. Williams makes a great backup to Jennings just not a starter yet.
RE: I don't think it was either one or the other - it was both.  
Victor in CT : 10/21/2014 8:54 am : link
In comment 11933241 Ira said:
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The o-line didn't block the running plays well and Williams didn't make the best of what he had.


He said that the OL was bad overall, just that there were still some opportunities. He in no way was absolving the OL.
Carl Banks for  
lester : 10/21/2014 9:30 am : link
DC anyone?
Great points  
mattlawson : 10/21/2014 9:39 am : link
Giants DONT know how to blitz. everything takes too damn long
Running Game Needs Some Speed and Quickness  
Jeffrey : 10/21/2014 10:05 am : link
Wilson was to provide the elusiveness and he is gone. Jennings, Williams and Hillis are basically power backs.
Banks  
BigBlueinDE : 10/21/2014 10:05 am : link
isn't qualified, but does have good insight as a former player.

It is obvious they need a new DC and will probably make some additional staff changes in the off season.

ehh  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/21/2014 10:10 am : link
I focused more on defense in my game review (Connor is doing offense), but the run blocking was really bad.

There was one play where no one blocked the DT (3-yard loss). I saw another play where Walton just whiffed on his man. Crawford gave us fits. So did that LB they picked up.
Banks  
old man : 10/21/2014 10:10 am : link
should have prefaced the AW comment with: rookie RBs have to gain the coachs confidence, and as such are told to run the play called, and it's on the OL to create the opening.
Once the coach is confident the player knows and understands the playbook, will give the player wiggle room to adjust.
THEREFORE, AW is hesitant, and as CB added, he will be fine.
How many times have we seen rookie RBs in the NFL get creative by spin moves,separate the ball from their body , get hit and fumble? Yes, they may break one from it but the odds are strongly against it.
On the blitz comment,the blitzer needs a crease to get through, what 3 of our DL under PW the last 2.4 seasons has been able to stand up his opponent long enough for the blitzer to get through?
That said, CB is also spot on on his comment. OLs just bunch our DL to the middle long enough to protect the QB to get the pass off. PF has not figured out how to adjust to that with the players he has..
You have to have linebackers to blitz....  
Doomster : 10/21/2014 10:13 am : link

we don't have any....we blitzed Demps, he missed the tackle....hard to blitz our corners, if you want coverage on the wideouts....

Our DL does not create lanes to blitz though.....

QB's stand back there like statues, with no pressure....

Carl there is no talent on this team to blitz....
RE: ehh  
Victor in CT : 10/21/2014 10:22 am : link
In comment 11933468 Eric from BBI said:
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I focused more on defense in my game review (Connor is doing offense), but the run blocking was really bad.

There was one play where no one blocked the DT (3-yard loss). I saw another play where Walton just whiffed on his man. Crawford gave us fits. So did that LB they picked up.


Walton is just brutally bad. Weak and slow. He is going to get Eli or one of the RBs killed.
RE: Carl also threw Perry Fewell under the bus  
Giants2012 : 10/21/2014 10:26 am : link
In comment 11933220 BlueHurricane said:
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When asked about the Giants blitz packages he said "They do not know how to blitz"


Perry Awful supporters are dwindling
agree 100% with banks  
area junc : 10/21/2014 10:30 am : link
there were a few runs early in the game that looked like they were blocked for more yardage than he got.

i've been extremely disappointed in williams: its not just rookie jitters IMO. He does not have the speed to go outside and he does not have vision/patience in between the tackles. he just plows straight forward. this is instincts: we aren't talking about learning pass pro or receiving game: we're talking about basic run instincts.

usually a good RB knows what to do with the ball in his hands from the jump. not a good sign for his NFL career imo.
Usually Carl goes out of his way to support Fewell...  
SB : 10/21/2014 11:14 am : link
...and says it's on the players to execute. So this is a very interesting comment from Carl.

Meanwhile, re: the O line, Walton is every bit of the head-scratching, inane, waste-of-money FA signing that so many of us thought he'd be.

Let's hope that Schwartz (who has started only 7 games since 2010, BTW) can help things out.
not only does fewell  
area junc : 10/21/2014 11:19 am : link
not know how to blitz, he doesn't blitz period. U won't find a less-aggressive DC in the NFL. When he does blitz, it's usually a telegraphed, ill-timed and basic 5-man rush. Very rarely does he use a 6-man pressure: Sometimes once or twice a game, sometimes never.
RE: RE: Carl also threw Perry Fewell under the bus  
Great White Ghost : 10/21/2014 11:21 am : link
In comment 11933228 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 11933220 BlueHurricane said:


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When asked about the Giants blitz packages he said "They do not know how to blitz"



That's not throwing him under the bus. It's pretty dead on.

Are the 2 mutually exclusive?
I think both points are true.
SB  
Matt M. : 10/21/2014 11:27 am : link
It's fine if you don't like Walton and you didn't like the signing. But, to call it head scratching is viewing the signing in hindsight. Walton was a very promising OC before getting hurt. For many, if Walton was healthy this was viewed as a shrewd pickup. Now, sure, in retrospect he is healthy and he has stunk. But, I wouldn't call the pickup head scratching.

what will be interesting to see is what they do when Schwartz gets back. Will they move him to his natural RG and Richburg to OC and maybe Moseley (or someone else) to LG? A couple of weeks ago, I thought moving Richburg to OC may be premature. But, Walton has been so bad that it may be a necessity at this point.

What is the cap hit to cut Walton after the season? It may not be worth it to keep him as an expensive backup. And, by next year there is no excuse not to have Richburg at OC.
the OL did not stink against Dallas  
djm : 10/21/2014 11:32 am : link
it was average. It gave Eli time to throw and at times opened holes. IT wasn't great but it wasn't terrible by any stretch.

Williams needs to show better patience at the line. He ran 1000 MPH right into the line on too many occasions. He's a rookie 4th rounder asked to carry the load in an offense that is short on talent.

As usual, the RBs aren't great and the offense is struggling a bit. Jennings is a nice player but hasn't been a bell cow at any point in his career and now he's hurt. How effective he is after the bye remains to be seen but the Giants need to upgrade this position. They need star power. They have one star WR and nothing else that scares anyone.

The OL is improving and will be fine long term. IT's not good enough to cover up all the warts of this offense.
RE: RE: ehh  
JFIB : 10/21/2014 11:52 am : link
In comment 11933505 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 11933468 Eric from BBI said:


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I focused more on defense in my game review (Connor is doing offense), but the run blocking was really bad.

There was one play where no one blocked the DT (3-yard loss). I saw another play where Walton just whiffed on his man. Crawford gave us fits. So did that LB they picked up.
I made the same observation in the post game thread. Walton was little more than a speed bump to the backfield on most of the running plays. He did better in pass pro but not by much.



Walton is just brutally bad. Weak and slow. He is going to get Eli or one of the RBs killed.
In regards to Fewell and it being up to the players to execute  
#10* : 10/21/2014 12:04 pm : link
to me is complete crap. The Giants have been a better team defensively than we are now with less talent than Fewell has now. Good coaches put their players in position to succeed. The fact is when you look at the Giants D-line since Perry took over the sacks went out the window and became like unicorns. Mystical creatures that are never seen. The man can't get pressure.

As for the offense, if they lean on a fast past passing game (we have the receivers for it) until Jennings gets back we will slay some teams and you will see than run TC was talking about. If they insist on running AW loss,loss,loss,loss.
The OL was brutally bad  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/21/2014 12:04 pm : link
In run blocking. I don't think I've seen many NFL games where an opposing team two weeks in a row had guy continually in the backfield. Williams will most likely get better but he had a few plays where he was hit as he got the hand off. The fumble that was luckily whistled dead was a great example of a player coming in totally free.

The OL has been so up and down its hard to be convinced they will magically be much better any time soon without a change.

If Schwartz is solid and healthy I'd like to see Richberg at C. That his natural position. I don't care if its Mosely or Jerry.

Meanwhile Pugh is having a worse year than his rookie one. Teams have film on him. Supposed elbow injury aside he needs to adjust. That Eagle game was beyond bad. Beatty is better than last year( hard to be worse) but no one is putting him the Pro Bowl anytime soon.

They need depth and more talent. IMO they need to draft a tackle in Rd 1 or 2 next year. Beatty is 29 or 30 and if Pugh continues to struggle he may need to make that often talked about move inside.
RE: not only does fewell  
HomerJones45 : 10/21/2014 2:34 pm : link
In comment 11933665 area junc said:
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not know how to blitz, he doesn't blitz period. U won't find a less-aggressive DC in the NFL. When he does blitz, it's usually a telegraphed, ill-timed and basic 5-man rush. Very rarely does he use a 6-man pressure: Sometimes once or twice a game, sometimes never.
He does blitz, but the blitzes don't get home which is the reason for Bank's comment. You do know what happens when you blitz and the blitz doesn't get home? You guys all want blitzing but don't think anything bad will happen.

Our lb's are slow. Watch other teams and their lb's seem to have a gear that our guys don't have. Fewell had no problems blitzing in Buffalo.
RE: RE: not only does fewell  
section125 : 10/21/2014 2:45 pm : link
In comment 11934083 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 11933665 area junc said:


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not know how to blitz, he doesn't blitz period. U won't find a less-aggressive DC in the NFL. When he does blitz, it's usually a telegraphed, ill-timed and basic 5-man rush. Very rarely does he use a 6-man pressure: Sometimes once or twice a game, sometimes never.

He does blitz, but the blitzes don't get home which is the reason for Bank's comment. You do know what happens when you blitz and the blitz doesn't get home? You guys all want blitzing but don't think anything bad will happen.

Our lb's are slow. Watch other teams and their lb's seem to have a gear that our guys don't have. Fewell had no problems blitzing in Buffalo.


Our LBs are not slow and speed has little to do with a successful blitz. The scheme is bad. There is never an open lane, they are blocked before they get to the backfield. Opposing teams easily pick up the Giants' blitzes. As it stands now, except for a corner blitz, they might as well just rush 4. And more importantly, for heavens sake, stop the stupid Dlineman falling back into coverage.
Matt M, sorry but I disagree  
SB : 10/21/2014 4:03 pm : link
For me there is no hindsight. Spending $2.5 million on a guy that hasn't played football in two years, and who had a very uneven career before that (basically only one good year) was very questionable. Of course others disagree, but to me it seemed like a typical high risk-high reward Reese signing. And most of those have turned out to be more risk than reward.
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