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bigGMENblue0891 : 10/21/2014 1:29 pm
I had never had McDonald's breakfast before, and today seemed like the opportune time to give Apple Pay a shot. FWIW, I got a McGriddle. It tasted like a heart attack, but man was it good.

It was a pretty surreal experience, and it was completely seamless. Pulled my phone out, selected the credit card I wanted to use, and boom. Done. Worked exactly as advertised. One thing about Apple, they (usually) nail these things the first time around. Kudos to them.

Has anyone else tried Apple Pay yet?
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RE: RE: Wait, Vin is all about Android now?  
Vin R : 10/21/2014 3:12 pm : link
In comment 11934101 arcarsenal said:
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wasn't it the exact opposite not long ago? He used to come on threads asking for advice for Android phones and say "iPhone 5".



Batman likes to switch teams. This should come as no surprise if you're familiar with his NBA fandom. :)


I need help picking a team for this season..

JK! :)
I don't get caught up in these debates  
Matt M. : 10/21/2014 3:13 pm : link
or despise the "other" side. but, I will say that I have never found Apple products to be more intuitive or easier to use. That goes for Macs, iPods, iPads, iPhones, etc. When I pick up someone's iPhone, I find myself fumbling around for a little longer than with an Android.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Ten months from now millions of people will be using Apple Pay all the  
arcarsenal : 10/21/2014 3:15 pm : link
In comment 11934190 Sonic Youth said:
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time and Android geeks will be so fucking pissed. And I think only about 25% of android geeks have the kitkat and can even think of using it. That number will be far higher for Apple.

Does android have finger print ID?

why would people get pissed if apple forces more businesses to offer NFC pay? you think its going to be an either/or thing?

I never really got the vitriol from "android fanboys" (I guess you could call me one) towards iPhone users. I like Apple products a lot and have used Macbooks and Mac Pros since 2004, so I have no beef with Apple really.

I just think iOS doesn't have as many capabilities and customization features as Android.

If you just want your phone to work and don't feel like customizing it or tweaking it to your liking, get an iPhone by all means.

If you like to get into your technology and really make it your own, Android is the way to go.

I think the one thing that gets us "android geeks" is when people try to tell us you can do more with an iPhone, or that it has the same amount of capabilities as an Android phone, cause it's just factually wrong.




Most people don't care about customization or quirky features they have no actual use for on a daily basis. That's all it comes down to. iPhones are more practical and easier for most people, thus, more "popular", which I guess apparently rubs Android users the wrong way for whatever reason because every time an Apple thread pops up, there they are. It's like this weird cell phone inferiority complex. Like "ours is just as good! I swear! We did it first!"

Who cares, man.



It's not cell phone inferiority, it's just funny people saying OMG TECHNOLOGY HAS COME SO FAR when this tech has been available for a while.

also, unless things have drastically changed, doesn't Android's market share % of the global cell phone market dwarf Apple's?

There's also the fact that Apple is a single hardware brand with it's own OS and marketing/brand image. Very different from Android which is more nebulous, being that it's merely an OS on a number of different devices.

Samsung is advertising for the Galaxy, and HTC for the One. They aren't advertising for Android.

Apple advertises for both iOS and their phone. I think this also helps explain why they seem to be more prevalent in the US.

If I'm getting a phone for someone who isn't tech savvy or is elder, I'm likely getting them an iPhone. If it's someone around my age (25) who is reasonably tech savvy, I can't understand why they'd go for an iPhone unless they really loved the iOS/Apple ecosystem.


It's 100% a weird inferiority thing. Because no one ever makes a big deal out of these features when Android releases them (because quite frankly, no one outside of Android users care.) When Apple does it, it's a big deal because people actually notice. Android fans don't like that. Hence, their annoying, gnat like presence on every Apple related thread.
RE: Lastly  
Patrick77 : 10/21/2014 3:15 pm : link
In comment 11934166 Sonic Youth said:
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Anyone else thing NFC pay is kind of pointless? I still need my wallet cause I need my driver's license. I still need something to hold cash. Pulling out my phone wasn't much more convenient than pulling out my wallet to grab my credit card.

My friend's company has a biometric hand payment system that literally takes .5 seconds, and lets you track your receipts and purchases off your phone. THAT is the future -- reading your vascular system beneath your hand. That's as secure as it gets.



Agreed. And that is fucking cool and much more useful in the grand scheme of things.
Damn, BeerFridge  
Sonic Youth : 10/21/2014 3:16 pm : link
WTF is your deal? Who really gives a shit? I've never seen someone hate GOOGLE of all companies so much.

It's also funny to say Google hasn't been successful outside of anything except search, as if their search functionality hasn't literally changed the world. On top of that, maybe I didn't realize Android was a failure, like the Windows phone?

On a separate note, I kind of lament the fact that I've been forced into an ecosystem during this whole battle between Android and Apple. I went with Android mostly because I've used a lot of Google's other services (Gmail, Drive, Keep, Maps). It seems Google has made Gmail the centerpiece of their ecosystem, or at least the impetus for people to buy into their ecosystem as opposed to others, while Apple made it iTunes.
If you legitimately care...  
rsjem1979 : 10/21/2014 3:19 pm : link
...about technology you neither designed nor built, and in which you have no financial stake, you need to have your head examined.

i actually don't care about the technology anymore  
UConn4523 : 10/21/2014 3:21 pm : link
just reading the Apple vs. Android posts will get me through my afternoon!
RE: RE: RE: Wait, Vin is all about Android now?  
Overseer : 10/21/2014 3:22 pm : link
In comment 11934202 Vin R said:
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I need help picking a team for this season..

JK! :)

As long as you're on the subject ...if you're going to ditch teams and then become a fan of a different one, why the hell would you pick the Nets? I mean Cavs, Spurs, Clippers, Thunder. I would list for you the endless ways this team has made me want to gouge my eyes out over the years, but then I'd want to gouge my eyes out. Did you know, for instance, the draft pick traded for Gerald Wallace was used to select Damian Lillard?

I suppose you probably won't be with us long, anyway.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Ten months from now millions of people will be using Apple Pay all the  
Sonic Youth : 10/21/2014 3:23 pm : link
In comment 11934208 arcarsenal said:
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It's 100% a weird inferiority thing. Because no one ever makes a big deal out of these features when Android releases them (because quite frankly, no one outside of Android users care.) When Apple does it, it's a big deal because people actually notice. Android fans don't like that. Hence, their annoying, gnat like presence on every Apple related thread.

Maybe you're projecting, but I kind of scoff at people who are like "OMGGGzzzz so revolutionary phone payments".

Don't see why or who gives a shit if other people are late on technology.

Plus, you say that nobody gives a shit about Android features when they're released except for Android users. Who gives a shit about iPhone features when they're released except iPhone users? And more importantly, who gives a shit who gives a shit?

Maybe you're right. Using an analogy that works in your favor, did you give a shit that other people would listen to ATDI and just hear noise and some howling? Did you resent popular music of the late 00s because of it? When I was 13 I did. If you did as well and understand that sentiment, it's probably the same mechanism at work. However, these are adults talking about phones, as opposed to teenagers with music, so I don't think it's an apples to apples comparison (lol pun).

Like I said, the stupid thing is when people try and act like Apple is pushing the boundaries of technology. They aren't, and haven't since the iPad.

That isn't there strength anyway. They find ways to make technology accessible to the average consumer. So of course people who are more tech savvy and tech oriented aren't going to be enamored by their devices.
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yankees78 : 10/21/2014 3:24 pm : link
You never had breakfast from McDonald's before today? What?
itunes was apple's  
pjcas18 : 10/21/2014 3:24 pm : link
worst decision, if they went with an open platform they'd own the world right now.

because of that they left that door open a crack for the google's of the world to stick around and a crack is all they need.

some people forget apple was practically circling the drain in the mi-90's and the man who saved them (anecdotally at least) Bill Gates.

RE: Damn, BeerFridge  
BeerFridge : 10/21/2014 3:26 pm : link
In comment 11934213 Sonic Youth said:
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WTF is your deal? Who really gives a shit? I've never seen someone hate GOOGLE of all companies so much.

It's also funny to say Google hasn't been successful outside of anything except search, as if their search functionality hasn't literally changed the world. On top of that, maybe I didn't realize Android was a failure, like the Windows phone?

On a separate note, I kind of lament the fact that I've been forced into an ecosystem during this whole battle between Android and Apple. I went with Android mostly because I've used a lot of Google's other services (Gmail, Drive, Keep, Maps). It seems Google has made Gmail the centerpiece of their ecosystem, or at least the impetus for people to buy into their ecosystem as opposed to others, while Apple made it iTunes.


I love, love google. I don't hate them at all. I've been a gmail user for a long, long time. The number one and two things I do on my iPhone that aren't texting and talking is check my gmail and use google search. They rightly dominate search and yes, you're right they've changed the world. But, if you think that the reason that Apple Pay will be a success where Google NFC hasn't taken off is just "marketing magic" then you are fooling yourself. The folks who come on this thread and say, 'welcome to 2011' are totally missing the point.
pjcas  
Matt M. : 10/21/2014 3:28 pm : link
But, that has always been their MO...proprietary software. it serves them i some ways and hinders them in others.
For what it is worth  
Matt M. : 10/21/2014 3:30 pm : link
I had one of the first Windows phones when they went to Mobile 7.5 or whatever the new OS was when they went to the tiles that now are the Windows 8 platform. I thought it was easier and smoother than either Android or iPhone. but, the phone sucked overall simply because nobody was developing apps for it. The technology was sound and as a phone it worked the best.
I thnk te overall point  
Pork and Beans : 10/21/2014 3:31 pm : link
is that people have been doing it for a while and it hasn't caught on because its not a need. I bet 90% of the people who use apple pay today won't use it again.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Wait, Vin is all about Android now?  
Vin R : 10/21/2014 3:33 pm : link
In comment 11934227 Overseer said:
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I need help picking a team for this season..

JK! :)


As long as you're on the subject ...if you're going to ditch teams and then become a fan of a different one, why the hell would you pick the Nets? I mean Cavs, Spurs, Clippers, Thunder. I would list for you the endless ways this team has made me want to gouge my eyes out over the years, but then I'd want to gouge my eyes out. Did you know, for instance, the draft pick traded for Gerald Wallace was used to select Damian Lillard?

I suppose you probably won't be with us long, anyway.



I'm sorry Overseer, I just gouged my eyes out.
No but I wanted to be a fan of a NY team and with the Nets move to Brooklyn it became an easy choice, plus my brother had season tix for the first year. I'm here to stay!
RE: pjcas  
pjcas18 : 10/21/2014 3:37 pm : link
In comment 11934242 Matt M. said:
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But, that has always been their MO...proprietary software. it serves them i some ways and hinders them in others.


Right, but without the apps, what is the iPhone? It's a blackberry.

It's nothing. their proprietary music software, not being able to change your battery, and changing charging technology every phone version are the three biggest complaints most consumers have.

I use Amazon music player on my iPhone and I like it so much more than iTunes.

RE: RE: Damn, BeerFridge  
Sonic Youth : 10/21/2014 3:39 pm : link
In comment 11934237 BeerFridge said:
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WTF is your deal? Who really gives a shit? I've never seen someone hate GOOGLE of all companies so much.

It's also funny to say Google hasn't been successful outside of anything except search, as if their search functionality hasn't literally changed the world. On top of that, maybe I didn't realize Android was a failure, like the Windows phone?

On a separate note, I kind of lament the fact that I've been forced into an ecosystem during this whole battle between Android and Apple. I went with Android mostly because I've used a lot of Google's other services (Gmail, Drive, Keep, Maps). It seems Google has made Gmail the centerpiece of their ecosystem, or at least the impetus for people to buy into their ecosystem as opposed to others, while Apple made it iTunes.



I love, love google. I don't hate them at all. I've been a gmail user for a long, long time. The number one and two things I do on my iPhone that aren't texting and talking is check my gmail and use google search. They rightly dominate search and yes, you're right they've changed the world. But, if you think that the reason that Apple Pay will be a success where Google NFC hasn't taken off is just "marketing magic" then you are fooling yourself. The folks who come on this thread and say, 'welcome to 2011' are totally missing the point.

So what is the point? I mean you're touting shit like a fingerprint scanner which Android has had for a while, it makes you come off like you're trying to claim that Apple is really pushing the technological envelope.

They really aren't, and never were about that. They're about making technology easy for the end consumer.

I said in my previous post that I've always used Macbooks and Mac Pro's, and I do it cause the OS is smooth and easy, and I don't need to tweak much on my computers. If you have that same desire when it comes to your phone, iPhones make complete sense.

But when people try to make the claim that Apple has more features than Android and is more powerful device, it's just silly, stupid, and wrong. It's not, it never really was, and it isn't even Apple's goal.

Anyway, if I recall correctly, the big issue with Google Wallet was something about where the payment actually came from (something along the lines of Google paying the vendors than collecting money from the bank acct, as opposed to having it come straight from your bank acct a la Venmo).

And let's not kid ourselves... Apple's ease of use (sometimes even idiotproof-ness) + marketing is why places are going to adopt Apple Pay.

When you have a company that has built a reputation as a sleek, sexy tech company for affluent people, do you really expect that to not carry weight in the adoption of something like Apple pay? and do you expect them not to leverage that reputation?

It really does seem Apple has been resting on their laurels since Jobs died. Like I said, since the iPad, they haven't come out with a true gamechanger.
CASH IS KING  
Model4001 : 10/21/2014 3:41 pm : link
and always will be.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Ten months from now millions of people will be using Apple Pay all the  
arcarsenal : 10/21/2014 3:43 pm : link
In comment 11934230 Sonic Youth said:
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In comment 11934208 arcarsenal said:


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It's 100% a weird inferiority thing. Because no one ever makes a big deal out of these features when Android releases them (because quite frankly, no one outside of Android users care.) When Apple does it, it's a big deal because people actually notice. Android fans don't like that. Hence, their annoying, gnat like presence on every Apple related thread.


Maybe you're projecting, but I kind of scoff at people who are like "OMGGGzzzz so revolutionary phone payments".

Don't see why or who gives a shit if other people are late on technology.

Plus, you say that nobody gives a shit about Android features when they're released except for Android users. Who gives a shit about iPhone features when they're released except iPhone users? And more importantly, who gives a shit who gives a shit?

Maybe you're right. Using an analogy that works in your favor, did you give a shit that other people would listen to ATDI and just hear noise and some howling? Did you resent popular music of the late 00s because of it? When I was 13 I did. If you did as well and understand that sentiment, it's probably the same mechanism at work. However, these are adults talking about phones, as opposed to teenagers with music, so I don't think it's an apples to apples comparison (lol pun).

Like I said, the stupid thing is when people try and act like Apple is pushing the boundaries of technology. They aren't, and haven't since the iPad.

That isn't there strength anyway. They find ways to make technology accessible to the average consumer. So of course people who are more tech savvy and tech oriented aren't going to be enamored by their devices.


I've just usually been the kind of guy who likes what I like and don't need to tell everyone else about it nor do I need everyone else to like what I do.

I am fairly tech savvy, I've used Android phones. I just felt like all of the luster of the customization and quirky features wore off pretty quickly and that at the base of everything, the Apple UI was smoother and less problematic. Again, personal preference.

Personally, I don't care what Apple releases first or second or third. As long as it works well when it does. And for the most part, that has been their MO. I certainly never have claimed that they're pushing the boundaries of technology or that they're the first to come out with everything.. but those things don't matter to me.
RE: itunes was apple's  
schabadoo : 10/21/2014 3:50 pm : link
In comment 11934233 pjcas18 said:
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worst decision, if they went with an open platform they'd own the world right now.

because of that they left that door open a crack for the google's of the world to stick around and a crack is all they need.

some people forget apple was practically circling the drain in the mi-90's and the man who saved them (anecdotally at least) Bill Gates.


iTunes sold iPods, that brought us iPhones, that has Apples stock go from 11 to...700? I haven't looked at the chart and calculate all the splits.

They leverage software to sell hardware, not the other way around.
'find myself fumbling around for a little longer than with an Android'  
schabadoo : 10/21/2014 3:52 pm : link
Give an Android and an iPhone to a 4-year-old, or a 70-year-old, and see what happens.
That (itunes)  
pjcas18 : 10/21/2014 3:54 pm : link
was true with ipods, it was a unique digital music player.

but not on ipads, iphones, or i-computers.

most people don't make their buying decision because of it. It limits consumers not expands them IMO.
And iTunes  
pjcas18 : 10/21/2014 3:57 pm : link
didn't sell ipods, that's ludicrous.

ipods sold because they were a unique digital music player marketed well.

they happened to require itunes to work.

leveraging itunes elsewhere would be akin to Microsoft embedding internet explorer on a computer and not allowing people to use other browsers without jumping through hoops.
RE: RE: RE: Damn, BeerFridge  
BeerFridge : 10/21/2014 3:58 pm : link
In comment 11934259 Sonic Youth said:
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In comment 11934237 BeerFridge said:


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In comment 11934213 Sonic Youth said:


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WTF is your deal? Who really gives a shit? I've never seen someone hate GOOGLE of all companies so much.

It's also funny to say Google hasn't been successful outside of anything except search, as if their search functionality hasn't literally changed the world. On top of that, maybe I didn't realize Android was a failure, like the Windows phone?

On a separate note, I kind of lament the fact that I've been forced into an ecosystem during this whole battle between Android and Apple. I went with Android mostly because I've used a lot of Google's other services (Gmail, Drive, Keep, Maps). It seems Google has made Gmail the centerpiece of their ecosystem, or at least the impetus for people to buy into their ecosystem as opposed to others, while Apple made it iTunes.



I love, love google. I don't hate them at all. I've been a gmail user for a long, long time. The number one and two things I do on my iPhone that aren't texting and talking is check my gmail and use google search. They rightly dominate search and yes, you're right they've changed the world. But, if you think that the reason that Apple Pay will be a success where Google NFC hasn't taken off is just "marketing magic" then you are fooling yourself. The folks who come on this thread and say, 'welcome to 2011' are totally missing the point.


So what is the point? I mean you're touting shit like a fingerprint scanner which Android has had for a while, it makes you come off like you're trying to claim that Apple is really pushing the technological envelope.

They really aren't, and never were about that. They're about making technology easy for the end consumer.

I said in my previous post that I've always used Macbooks and Mac Pro's, and I do it cause the OS is smooth and easy, and I don't need to tweak much on my computers. If you have that same desire when it comes to your phone, iPhones make complete sense.

But when people try to make the claim that Apple has more features than Android and is more powerful device, it's just silly, stupid, and wrong. It's not, it never really was, and it isn't even Apple's goal.

Anyway, if I recall correctly, the big issue with Google Wallet was something about where the payment actually came from (something along the lines of Google paying the vendors than collecting money from the bank acct, as opposed to having it come straight from your bank acct a la Venmo).

And let's not kid ourselves... Apple's ease of use (sometimes even idiotproof-ness) + marketing is why places are going to adopt Apple Pay.

When you have a company that has built a reputation as a sleek, sexy tech company for affluent people, do you really expect that to not carry weight in the adoption of something like Apple pay? and do you expect them not to leverage that reputation?

It really does seem Apple has been resting on their laurels since Jobs died. Like I said, since the iPad, they haven't come out with a true gamechanger.


The point of the fingerprint scanner isn't that it's technologically advanced, although it is better implemented than anything I've seen from an android phone. It's that they get it and how it should work. They rolled out Passbook and no one cared. They rolled out fingerprints and it didn't really matter, but Fingerprints+NFC+Passbook+tokenized payments= The right implementation. And it's something that Google can never seem to get all the pieces to quite fit together for.

And it also makes me funny that making something idiot proof is somehow a bad thing. It's not easy to do and Apple is great at it.
Serious Question here...  
Aquasax : 10/21/2014 3:58 pm : link
Does Apple Pay require an internet connection (3G/4G)? I've used the Google Wallet payment system a number of times over the past year and half, but not regularly. (Excitedly when I forgot my wallet on a trip to Home Depot.)

However, it requires a connection for authentication, and when I try and use it certain places, the nature of the store makes them a cellular black hole. The Walgreens up the road from me - full reception outside - inside I get nada. I don't know if it's a metal roof or what.

Anyway, I haven't been able to get this question answered. Anyone?
As for the idea that they've been resting on their laurels  
BeerFridge : 10/21/2014 4:02 pm : link
Well, it's hard to make an amazing phone or tablet these days. They're all pretty amazing. I'm not sure what they can do that would be a lot better than a typical smartphone these days. Diminishing returns and all.
'ipods sold because they were a unique digital music player marketed '  
schabadoo : 10/21/2014 4:08 pm : link
No.

They weren't unique, except for the store. Creative, other companies had much more powerful players with more features. The famous Slashdot quote about the iPod: “No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame”.

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Jim in Fairfax : 10/21/2014 4:38 pm : link
I still use cash  
ed90631 : 10/21/2014 6:09 pm : link
anonymous, secure and no transaction charges. And if its a fake Micky loses, not me.

RE: 'ipods sold because they were a unique digital music player marketed '  
pjcas18 : 10/21/2014 6:10 pm : link
In comment 11934339 schabadoo said:
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No.

They weren't unique, except for the store. Creative, other companies had much more powerful players with more features. The famous Slashdot quote about the iPod: “No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame”.


Ok, you think people bought iPods because of itunes instead of other devices where they can just plug in a USB connection and copy MP3's to their device.

Sure they did.
And I can speak from experience  
pjcas18 : 10/21/2014 6:16 pm : link
I bought my wife a gen 1 iPod because she runs and likes to listen to music.

I bought my kids ipod touches so they could play games, surf the web, etc.

we have many iPods including a nano work gave me, none were purchased because of itunes. If we had to make a list of reasons why the devices were purchased we'd exhaust legit reasons before listing itunes.
RE: RE: 'ipods sold because they were a unique digital music player marketed '  
schabadoo : 10/21/2014 7:24 pm : link
In comment 11934591 pjcas18 said:
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No.

They weren't unique, except for the store. Creative, other companies had much more powerful players with more features. The famous Slashdot quote about the iPod: “No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame”.




Ok, you think people bought iPods because of itunes instead of other devices where they can just plug in a USB connection and copy MP3's to their device.

Sure they did.


Yep, that was it. Jobs revolutionary music store versus burning and ripping CDs and using klunky software for mp3 management. It was a nobrainer back then.

You should look at Apple's business model sometime. And their philosophy of ease of use versus DIY.

And they did the same thing with the iPhone and Apps.
RE: RE: 'ipods sold because they were a unique digital music player marketed '  
Jim in Fairfax : 10/21/2014 7:39 pm : link
In comment 11934591 pjcas18 said:
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Ok, you think people bought iPods because of itunes instead of other devices where they can just plug in a USB connection and copy MP3's to their device.

Sure they did.

Apple was the first that was able to cut deals with the record labels to make Digital Music legal to download. To that point, the only legal way to put music on your player was to buy CDs and rip them. Otherwise you had to turn to Napster and other illicit sources.

Sure, today you can buy songs lots of places and easily put them on any MP3 player. But the iTunes Store was unique at the time and turned to iPod into a must have item. The ipod Is a great device of course, but its dominence is absolutely rooted to the unveiling of the iTunes Store in 2003.
RE: As for the idea that they've been resting on their laurels  
Sonic Youth : 10/21/2014 7:44 pm : link
In comment 11934319 BeerFridge said:
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Well, it's hard to make an amazing phone or tablet these days. They're all pretty amazing. I'm not sure what they can do that would be a lot better than a typical smartphone these days. Diminishing returns and all.

They've always come up with innovative ideas in the Jobs days. I don't think we've exactly reached the end point of consumer tech.
I love people saying how easy it is to use  
Knineteen : 10/21/2014 9:19 pm : link
as if using a credit card was a chore.

I don't know why people are getting excited about this. Any realized savings are going back into the credit card company's pocket. Some of the pot might be shared, but most of it will be withheld from the consumer.
The phone is pretty  
buford : 10/21/2014 9:47 pm : link
secure. You need a fingerprint. And it's fairly easy to shut it down if it's lost or stolen.

I haven't used Apple Pay yet, but I plan on it.
apple pay  
giantfanboy : 10/23/2014 10:26 am : link
first
it isn't like android was this innovation juggernaut

apple could have had fingerprint scanners and NFC in previous versions of iphone
they CHOSE not to impliment the features

android's open platform means that features come out quicker than on iphone but it also means malware and viruses will infiltrate the ecosystem .. it is inevitable

my wife used Apple Pay for our taxi last night .. credit card scanners in taxies are the worse . you have to fumble around in taxi for yoru credit card and then you have to scan and ask. you have to ask the taxi driver if the scan went thru
a big pain

last night ... just tap and done
freaking amazing ...
RE: ...  
santacruzom : 10/23/2014 11:05 am : link
In comment 11934070 brandozilla said:
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Android was first and failed. The good news for Android users is that Apple making this mainstream will allow them to use it now, too.



... Except it didn't fail.... The NFC payment stations have been at most chain retailers for over a year. I've been using it for over a year off and on.

Look I'll credit Apple for innovating when they innovate, but they didn't do shit here except copy a well established Android feature and market it better. Its really pretty absurd.


Marketing and design are the two things Apple does much better than any other thing they do.
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Bramton1 : 10/23/2014 11:22 am : link
In comment 11934111 BeerFridge said:
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Android was first and failed. The good news for Android users is that Apple making this mainstream will allow them to use it now, too.



... Except it didn't fail.... The NFC payment stations have been at most chain retailers for over a year. I've been using it for over a year off and on.

Look I'll credit Apple for innovating when they innovate, but they didn't do shit here except copy a well established Android feature and market it better. Its really pretty absurd.



It's not well established. Not by any stretch. I guess the difference is in whether you admire being the first guy to check a checkbox on a feature list or admire the guy who delivers a feature set that works well, is heavily adopted and rolls it out with a crap ton of business partners. I work in the technology business. Delivering features is easy. Making them something people will want to use is not. Execution is hard. Just ask Google, who hasn't been commercially successful in anything not related to search where they still remain completely dominant.


The problem with the Android implementation of Tap and Pay has been the carriers. Google Wallet is the gold standard of Tap and Pay on Android, but until recently, that option was deactivated on a lot of phones. Verizon, AT&T, and T-Mobile created their own Tap and Pay service called ISIS Mobile Wallet, which I've never heard anyone actually like. And because who wants to compete against a superior product with your inferior product, they blocked Tap and Pay ability on the phones.
If the NFC becomes intercepted they are just intercepting the token  
newjacksm : 10/23/2014 11:22 am : link
The token then needs to be decrypted. Which at that point you have to hope Apple is using some good method of encryption and I am assuming they are using standard Security Practices.

That token changes at all times though too, one token does not stick to you. it randomizes and destroys after use from my understanding. Can someone back me up on this?
those of you  
santacruzom : 10/23/2014 11:24 am : link
Who *think* you hate iTunes haven't even scratched the surface of vitriolic ant-iTunes anguish until you've had to use it because you're deploying IOS devices in the enterprise.
i absolutely loathe iTunes  
UConn4523 : 10/23/2014 11:38 am : link
clunky, slow, unreliable, etc. I've never had a good experience with it using it for 5-6 years. I'm a lazy consumer that won't switch because i'm used to it by now. The alternatives don't offer me enough of a difference to bother switching so I stand pat.

However, i remain steadfast on my opinion of buying things with my phone. My CC works just fine and there's zero reason to add in another layer of something that can be hacked, regardless of how small the chances are.
RE: i absolutely loathe iTunes  
Sonic Youth : 10/23/2014 3:32 pm : link
In comment 11936897 UConn4523 said:
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clunky, slow, unreliable, etc. I've never had a good experience with it using it for 5-6 years. I'm a lazy consumer that won't switch because i'm used to it by now. The alternatives don't offer me enough of a difference to bother switching so I stand pat.

However, i remain steadfast on my opinion of buying things with my phone. My CC works just fine and there's zero reason to add in another layer of something that can be hacked, regardless of how small the chances are.


If you're talking about using Itunes on a Mac, you should check out enqueue. I switched over to it and I really like it. It isnt' a resource hog so it's a lot faster, is made specifically for music, and has the same functionalities as iTunes.
RE: those of you  
Sonic Youth : 10/23/2014 3:34 pm : link
In comment 11936857 santacruzom said:
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Who *think* you hate iTunes haven't even scratched the surface of vitriolic ant-iTunes anguish until you've had to use it because you're deploying IOS devices in the enterprise.

Wow I can't even imagine what a disaster that would be...
RE: RE: those of you  
santacruzom : 10/24/2014 2:05 am : link
In comment 11937301 Sonic Youth said:
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In comment 11936857 santacruzom said:


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Who *think* you hate iTunes haven't even scratched the surface of vitriolic ant-iTunes anguish until you've had to use it because you're deploying IOS devices in the enterprise.


Wow I can't even imagine what a disaster that would be...


Sure you can! First, imagine creating a unique email address for each user, intended almost solely for handling iTunes-generated email but also so their iTunes accounts don't contain their corporation's domain in their name. Then, make sure you're proceeding on a computer with iTunes installed -- this is necessary to create an iTunes account without a payment source. Make sure you're not signed into iTunes. Then, download a free app -- any app will do, as long as you haven't already downloaded it (of course, the more iTunes accounts you've created on your PC, the more confusing and time-consuming that simple feat becomes). When prompted to enter an iTunes ID, you instead choose to create a new one and provide all the required security info: email address, somewhat complicated password, and three freakin security questions and answers (mandatory). Then, choose "None" as a payment source, fill out the address fields (mandatory), and don't forget to choose your title (ie, Mr. or Mrs.) or else it won't submit and in some cases you may actually need to reenter the address info again. Then, log into the email account you just created and respond to the verification email...

...oh wait, you mean you got an error when you tried to create the account? Oh, that might be because you've already created too many iTunes accounts from that particular IP address. You're going to need to contact Apple and ask for your IP to be placed on a whitelist in order to proceed. No, I'm not kidding! You really have to do that.

I'm serious.

Now, do that about 60 times and see if your opinion of Apple starts to deteriorate slightly.
and that annoying process  
santacruzom : 10/24/2014 2:13 am : link
doesn't even include provisioning the actual device.

Apple Configurator? Pshaw! First of all, that shit only works on a Mac, which is very Apple-like. And it's really only useful if a) the iPads to be managed routinely return to the same location, and b) you plan on using the same iTunes account on every device, a practice which Apple actually explicitly recommends against doing. No, you're pretty much going to need to install each application on each device one-by-one. Sure, you could use a third-party MDM solution like AirWatch to assign applications to each AirWatch account, but even that process requires more manual intervention than should be necessary -- namely, tapping "OK" for each application installation prompt. Then you're going to need to drag all those fucking icons around into folders if your staff cares at all about consistency and standardization, which unfortunately our clients very much do.

Lame.
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Vin R : 10/24/2014 9:56 am : link
RE: lol  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/25/2014 5:16 pm : link
In comment 11934150 Sonic Youth said:
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As others have said, you could have done this like a year ago with Android.

But hey, I mean Apple is the one company that can strongarm businesses into using NFC pay. More people will offer it now, but it's not like this functionality is super new.

But can you use Apple Pay if you need to re-up at a carnival scam?
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eli4life : 10/25/2014 7:05 pm : link






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