I had never had McDonald's breakfast before, and today seemed like the opportune time to give Apple Pay a shot. FWIW, I got a McGriddle. It tasted like a heart attack, but man was it good.
It was a pretty surreal experience, and it was completely seamless. Pulled my phone out, selected the credit card I wanted to use, and boom. Done. Worked exactly as advertised. One thing about Apple, they (usually) nail these things the first time around. Kudos to them.
Has anyone else tried Apple Pay yet?
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It's 100% a weird inferiority thing. Because no one ever makes a big deal out of these features when Android releases them (because quite frankly, no one outside of Android users care.) When Apple does it, it's a big deal because people actually notice. Android fans don't like that. Hence, their annoying, gnat like presence on every Apple related thread.
Maybe you're projecting, but I kind of scoff at people who are like "OMGGGzzzz so revolutionary phone payments".
Don't see why or who gives a shit if other people are late on technology.
Plus, you say that nobody gives a shit about Android features when they're released except for Android users. Who gives a shit about iPhone features when they're released except iPhone users? And more importantly, who gives a shit who gives a shit?
Maybe you're right. Using an analogy that works in your favor, did you give a shit that other people would listen to ATDI and just hear noise and some howling? Did you resent popular music of the late 00s because of it? When I was 13 I did. If you did as well and understand that sentiment, it's probably the same mechanism at work. However, these are adults talking about phones, as opposed to teenagers with music, so I don't think it's an apples to apples comparison (lol pun).
Like I said, the stupid thing is when people try and act like Apple is pushing the boundaries of technology. They aren't, and haven't since the iPad.
That isn't there strength anyway. They find ways to make technology accessible to the average consumer. So of course people who are more tech savvy and tech oriented aren't going to be enamored by their devices.
I've just usually been the kind of guy who likes what I like and don't need to tell everyone else about it nor do I need everyone else to like what I do.
I am fairly tech savvy, I've used Android phones. I just felt like all of the luster of the customization and quirky features wore off pretty quickly and that at the base of everything, the Apple UI was smoother and less problematic. Again, personal preference.
Personally, I don't care what Apple releases first or second or third. As long as it works well when it does. And for the most part, that has been their MO. I certainly never have claimed that they're pushing the boundaries of technology or that they're the first to come out with everything.. but those things don't matter to me.
because of that they left that door open a crack for the google's of the world to stick around and a crack is all they need.
some people forget apple was practically circling the drain in the mi-90's and the man who saved them (anecdotally at least) Bill Gates.
iTunes sold iPods, that brought us iPhones, that has Apples stock go from 11 to...700? I haven't looked at the chart and calculate all the splits.
They leverage software to sell hardware, not the other way around.
but not on ipads, iphones, or i-computers.
most people don't make their buying decision because of it. It limits consumers not expands them IMO.
ipods sold because they were a unique digital music player marketed well.
they happened to require itunes to work.
leveraging itunes elsewhere would be akin to Microsoft embedding internet explorer on a computer and not allowing people to use other browsers without jumping through hoops.
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WTF is your deal? Who really gives a shit? I've never seen someone hate GOOGLE of all companies so much.
It's also funny to say Google hasn't been successful outside of anything except search, as if their search functionality hasn't literally changed the world. On top of that, maybe I didn't realize Android was a failure, like the Windows phone?
On a separate note, I kind of lament the fact that I've been forced into an ecosystem during this whole battle between Android and Apple. I went with Android mostly because I've used a lot of Google's other services (Gmail, Drive, Keep, Maps). It seems Google has made Gmail the centerpiece of their ecosystem, or at least the impetus for people to buy into their ecosystem as opposed to others, while Apple made it iTunes.
I love, love google. I don't hate them at all. I've been a gmail user for a long, long time. The number one and two things I do on my iPhone that aren't texting and talking is check my gmail and use google search. They rightly dominate search and yes, you're right they've changed the world. But, if you think that the reason that Apple Pay will be a success where Google NFC hasn't taken off is just "marketing magic" then you are fooling yourself. The folks who come on this thread and say, 'welcome to 2011' are totally missing the point.
So what is the point? I mean you're touting shit like a fingerprint scanner which Android has had for a while, it makes you come off like you're trying to claim that Apple is really pushing the technological envelope.
They really aren't, and never were about that. They're about making technology easy for the end consumer.
I said in my previous post that I've always used Macbooks and Mac Pro's, and I do it cause the OS is smooth and easy, and I don't need to tweak much on my computers. If you have that same desire when it comes to your phone, iPhones make complete sense.
But when people try to make the claim that Apple has more features than Android and is more powerful device, it's just silly, stupid, and wrong. It's not, it never really was, and it isn't even Apple's goal.
Anyway, if I recall correctly, the big issue with Google Wallet was something about where the payment actually came from (something along the lines of Google paying the vendors than collecting money from the bank acct, as opposed to having it come straight from your bank acct a la Venmo).
And let's not kid ourselves... Apple's ease of use (sometimes even idiotproof-ness) + marketing is why places are going to adopt Apple Pay.
When you have a company that has built a reputation as a sleek, sexy tech company for affluent people, do you really expect that to not carry weight in the adoption of something like Apple pay? and do you expect them not to leverage that reputation?
It really does seem Apple has been resting on their laurels since Jobs died. Like I said, since the iPad, they haven't come out with a true gamechanger.
The point of the fingerprint scanner isn't that it's technologically advanced, although it is better implemented than anything I've seen from an android phone. It's that they get it and how it should work. They rolled out Passbook and no one cared. They rolled out fingerprints and it didn't really matter, but Fingerprints+NFC+Passbook+tokenized payments= The right implementation. And it's something that Google can never seem to get all the pieces to quite fit together for.
And it also makes me funny that making something idiot proof is somehow a bad thing. It's not easy to do and Apple is great at it.
However, it requires a connection for authentication, and when I try and use it certain places, the nature of the store makes them a cellular black hole. The Walgreens up the road from me - full reception outside - inside I get nada. I don't know if it's a metal roof or what.
Anyway, I haven't been able to get this question answered. Anyone?
They weren't unique, except for the store. Creative, other companies had much more powerful players with more features. The famous Slashdot quote about the iPod: “No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame”.
They weren't unique, except for the store. Creative, other companies had much more powerful players with more features. The famous Slashdot quote about the iPod: “No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame”.
Ok, you think people bought iPods because of itunes instead of other devices where they can just plug in a USB connection and copy MP3's to their device.
Sure they did.
I bought my kids ipod touches so they could play games, surf the web, etc.
we have many iPods including a nano work gave me, none were purchased because of itunes. If we had to make a list of reasons why the devices were purchased we'd exhaust legit reasons before listing itunes.
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They weren't unique, except for the store. Creative, other companies had much more powerful players with more features. The famous Slashdot quote about the iPod: “No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame”.
Ok, you think people bought iPods because of itunes instead of other devices where they can just plug in a USB connection and copy MP3's to their device.
Sure they did.
Yep, that was it. Jobs revolutionary music store versus burning and ripping CDs and using klunky software for mp3 management. It was a nobrainer back then.
You should look at Apple's business model sometime. And their philosophy of ease of use versus DIY.
And they did the same thing with the iPhone and Apps.
Sure they did.
Apple was the first that was able to cut deals with the record labels to make Digital Music legal to download. To that point, the only legal way to put music on your player was to buy CDs and rip them. Otherwise you had to turn to Napster and other illicit sources.
Sure, today you can buy songs lots of places and easily put them on any MP3 player. But the iTunes Store was unique at the time and turned to iPod into a must have item. The ipod Is a great device of course, but its dominence is absolutely rooted to the unveiling of the iTunes Store in 2003.
They've always come up with innovative ideas in the Jobs days. I don't think we've exactly reached the end point of consumer tech.
I don't know why people are getting excited about this. Any realized savings are going back into the credit card company's pocket. Some of the pot might be shared, but most of it will be withheld from the consumer.
I haven't used Apple Pay yet, but I plan on it.
it isn't like android was this innovation juggernaut
apple could have had fingerprint scanners and NFC in previous versions of iphone
they CHOSE not to impliment the features
android's open platform means that features come out quicker than on iphone but it also means malware and viruses will infiltrate the ecosystem .. it is inevitable
my wife used Apple Pay for our taxi last night .. credit card scanners in taxies are the worse . you have to fumble around in taxi for yoru credit card and then you have to scan and ask. you have to ask the taxi driver if the scan went thru
a big pain
last night ... just tap and done
freaking amazing ...
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Android was first and failed. The good news for Android users is that Apple making this mainstream will allow them to use it now, too.
... Except it didn't fail.... The NFC payment stations have been at most chain retailers for over a year. I've been using it for over a year off and on.
Look I'll credit Apple for innovating when they innovate, but they didn't do shit here except copy a well established Android feature and market it better. Its really pretty absurd.
Marketing and design are the two things Apple does much better than any other thing they do.
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Android was first and failed. The good news for Android users is that Apple making this mainstream will allow them to use it now, too.
... Except it didn't fail.... The NFC payment stations have been at most chain retailers for over a year. I've been using it for over a year off and on.
Look I'll credit Apple for innovating when they innovate, but they didn't do shit here except copy a well established Android feature and market it better. Its really pretty absurd.
It's not well established. Not by any stretch. I guess the difference is in whether you admire being the first guy to check a checkbox on a feature list or admire the guy who delivers a feature set that works well, is heavily adopted and rolls it out with a crap ton of business partners. I work in the technology business. Delivering features is easy. Making them something people will want to use is not. Execution is hard. Just ask Google, who hasn't been commercially successful in anything not related to search where they still remain completely dominant.
The problem with the Android implementation of Tap and Pay has been the carriers. Google Wallet is the gold standard of Tap and Pay on Android, but until recently, that option was deactivated on a lot of phones. Verizon, AT&T, and T-Mobile created their own Tap and Pay service called ISIS Mobile Wallet, which I've never heard anyone actually like. And because who wants to compete against a superior product with your inferior product, they blocked Tap and Pay ability on the phones.
That token changes at all times though too, one token does not stick to you. it randomizes and destroys after use from my understanding. Can someone back me up on this?
However, i remain steadfast on my opinion of buying things with my phone. My CC works just fine and there's zero reason to add in another layer of something that can be hacked, regardless of how small the chances are.
However, i remain steadfast on my opinion of buying things with my phone. My CC works just fine and there's zero reason to add in another layer of something that can be hacked, regardless of how small the chances are.
If you're talking about using Itunes on a Mac, you should check out enqueue. I switched over to it and I really like it. It isnt' a resource hog so it's a lot faster, is made specifically for music, and has the same functionalities as iTunes.
Wow I can't even imagine what a disaster that would be...
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Who *think* you hate iTunes haven't even scratched the surface of vitriolic ant-iTunes anguish until you've had to use it because you're deploying IOS devices in the enterprise.
Wow I can't even imagine what a disaster that would be...
Sure you can! First, imagine creating a unique email address for each user, intended almost solely for handling iTunes-generated email but also so their iTunes accounts don't contain their corporation's domain in their name. Then, make sure you're proceeding on a computer with iTunes installed -- this is necessary to create an iTunes account without a payment source. Make sure you're not signed into iTunes. Then, download a free app -- any app will do, as long as you haven't already downloaded it (of course, the more iTunes accounts you've created on your PC, the more confusing and time-consuming that simple feat becomes). When prompted to enter an iTunes ID, you instead choose to create a new one and provide all the required security info: email address, somewhat complicated password, and three freakin security questions and answers (mandatory). Then, choose "None" as a payment source, fill out the address fields (mandatory), and don't forget to choose your title (ie, Mr. or Mrs.) or else it won't submit and in some cases you may actually need to reenter the address info again. Then, log into the email account you just created and respond to the verification email...
...oh wait, you mean you got an error when you tried to create the account? Oh, that might be because you've already created too many iTunes accounts from that particular IP address. You're going to need to contact Apple and ask for your IP to be placed on a whitelist in order to proceed. No, I'm not kidding! You really have to do that.
I'm serious.
Now, do that about 60 times and see if your opinion of Apple starts to deteriorate slightly.
Apple Configurator? Pshaw! First of all, that shit only works on a Mac, which is very Apple-like. And it's really only useful if a) the iPads to be managed routinely return to the same location, and b) you plan on using the same iTunes account on every device, a practice which Apple actually explicitly recommends against doing. No, you're pretty much going to need to install each application on each device one-by-one. Sure, you could use a third-party MDM solution like AirWatch to assign applications to each AirWatch account, but even that process requires more manual intervention than should be necessary -- namely, tapping "OK" for each application installation prompt. Then you're going to need to drag all those fucking icons around into folders if your staff cares at all about consistency and standardization, which unfortunately our clients very much do.
Lame.
But hey, I mean Apple is the one company that can strongarm businesses into using NFC pay. More people will offer it now, but it's not like this functionality is super new.
But can you use Apple Pay if you need to re-up at a carnival scam?