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Andy in Boston : 10/21/2014 1:45 pm
for anyone who is interested.

Just looked at his #'s....much better than I thought.
Everyone knows his sack #'s...only 3.5. Von Miller leads the league with only 8...so there is alot of time to do damage there.

JPP leads the NFL in tackles for Def lineman with 37. Watt has 29.

JPP is 2nd in the NFL in passes defended for Def lineman (tip balls) with 4...JJ Watt is 1st with 6.

There is alot of talk about him not being the same player he was 3 years ago...this may be true. But take into consideration how close to the QB he's been in alot of games this year and just the overall quality of Left Tackles he's played against...its extremely impressive. Jason Peters, Tryon Smith, Trent Williams, Duane Brown, Riley Reiff....these guys are all really good to pro bowl type tackles. I think the overall quality of Left Tackles in this league right now is extremely impressive.
One other data point, although sometimes  
pjcas18 : 10/21/2014 1:51 pm : link
controversial, he's the #2 rated 4-3 DE by PFF.

fractions behind Cam Wake.

And by far, really far the #1 run defending 4-3 DE.
pjacs  
Andy in Boston : 10/21/2014 1:54 pm : link
good point.

Its crazy the level expectations for this guy if you read the posts/articles on him.....one could say he's having a really good/pro bowl type year. And with 9 games left, he might get better...and his #'s are certainly going to get better. It doesn't help when you're 3-4 and in 2nd to last place in your division.
people also forget  
Andy in Boston : 10/21/2014 1:56 pm : link
he had Tuck on the other side....3 years ago when he had 16.5 sacks. They need to get another pass rusher on the other side in the draft next year.
My eyes tell me he's having a good season.  
Exit 172 : 10/21/2014 1:57 pm : link
Dopes like Thom Brennaman may pound the "sack number" drum all they want and conclude JPP is a disappointment. But there's far more to a DE's job than sacking the quarterback.
Exit 172  
Andy in Boston : 10/21/2014 1:58 pm : link
Like Pjacs said...I think he's the best run defending Dlineman in the league....maybe 2nd to Watt. Very similar against the run as Strahan was.
He's looked pretty good to me this year.  
shepherdsam : 10/21/2014 2:03 pm : link
I'm not sure sometimes, what some people have been watching or maybe, what some people have expected to see.
He is  
mdthedream : 10/21/2014 2:04 pm : link
having a good season time to start Moore on the other side.
he's very good,  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 10/21/2014 2:06 pm : link
I love how he leads all DL in Tackles, it's something he did in 2011 and it shows off his hustle. After being a little lazy or tired the past 2 years, he's finally hustling his ass off again.

He's an awesome run defender and a good pass rusher. I'd prefer the opposite and I think most people here would as well. But he's a very valuable player.
He was kind his own worst enemy  
pjcas18 : 10/21/2014 2:07 pm : link
in 2011 on a DL with Osi and Tuck and a more motivated Kiwi (who played LB but often rushed the passer), JPP lined up inside a lot and moved around and wound up with 16.5 sacks.

he only even started 12 games that year.

When you have 16 sacks in your second year, you set up some expectations for your self.

If he had 4 that year or even 6, people would have thought these past couple seasons were good to very good for him, not disappointing.
my only knock on JPP  
Andy in Boston : 10/21/2014 2:09 pm : link
is the he's disappeared at times in games this year...he was invisible in the 1st half of the Redskins game and the 1st half of the Falcons game. Just didn't appear to have any energy. Don't know if that's because of the opponent....or if he was taking plays off or what the case was...but his demeanor was visibly noticeable in the 2nd half of those games.
People also forget  
KWALL : 10/21/2014 2:18 pm : link
his QB pressure % was better in the season AFTER the 16.5 sacks. It isn't the sack number that matters.

If he stays healthy he will improve. He's only 25. Plenty of upside. We have not seen his best yet.
contract  
SHO'NUFF : 10/21/2014 2:36 pm : link
year
He's the easy guy to pick on.....  
BillKo : 10/21/2014 2:37 pm : link
because he is viewed as the defensive star, the guy who has to make it happen. Low sack total, and the defense's overall failures unfortunately point to him.

He's been very consistent, esp versus the run. You've seen a ton of plays this way.

The rub is he will be up for a contract after next season......what do the Giants do?

I really wish Moore would get more reps opposite him.
Not just a contract year.  
KWALL : 10/21/2014 2:44 pm : link
He's healthy now and playing great ball again.

In 2012, his QB pressure % was better than 2011. He didn't have the same number of pass rush attempts in 2012. And, as every critic screams, the sack number was not the same. Sacks are overrated. Consistent QB pressure is much more important than the sack total.

His 2012 season was excellent. He pressured the QB and played elite run D.
Vs DAL  
KWALL : 10/21/2014 2:47 pm : link
What was his best (most valuable play)? It wasn't one of the sacks. It was the hit on Romo that saved 7 points when Bryant ran right past Prince.
is there some confusion about when he's a FA??  
BillKo : 10/21/2014 2:53 pm : link
Eric has it listed as 2016 (meaning he's signed THRU 2015).

Is that true? Or is he a FA after this season?
He's been real good  
Go Terps : 10/21/2014 2:55 pm : link
There's reason to doubt whether that would continue after he is paid.
wonder what his stats would be  
jsboston : 10/21/2014 2:55 pm : link
if people weren't allowed to tug his jersey on every play
we have our pass rusher for the Left side  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 10/21/2014 3:06 pm : link
it Damonster... the Giants just need to get him out there...


I think the Giants should actually look for another RDE and move JPP to LDE like Strahan...
If he's such a great run defender (which I agree he is)  
Geeman : 10/21/2014 3:09 pm : link
Why is it taking so long to move him to left side of the defense???
If there's anyone suited to play that spot it's definitely him and I bet all of his numbers would increase. Not to mention it would free up Moore to play RE and get up the field and use his athletic ability ala Osi.
Giants have no choice but to pay him fair market value for his  
Geeman : 10/21/2014 3:11 pm : link
talents and his age. His the best player on the defense hands down.
RE: One other data point, although sometimes  
Vin R : 10/21/2014 3:15 pm : link
In comment 11933988 pjcas18 said:
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controversial, he's the #2 rated 4-3 DE by PFF.

fractions behind Cam Wake.

And by far, really far the #1 run defending 4-3 DE.


Damn.. We could've had both #1 & #2 DE's by PFF!

I'll just blame Reese
RE: we have our pass rusher for the Left side  
BillT : 10/21/2014 3:38 pm : link
In comment 11934182 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
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it Damonster... the Giants just need to get him out there...


I think the Giants should actually look for another RDE and move JPP to LDE like Strahan...


Moore is a RDE. That's why he's struggling to get playing time behind JPP. If they move JPP, RDE will be all his.
JPP  
chrispisano66 : 10/21/2014 3:57 pm : link
Gets a rough deal around here.

When he is healthy, which he wasnt for parts of 2012 (back) and mostly all of 2013 (back/shoulder) he is a big difference maker.

I'm not sure why we would assume that JPP can't be trusted once paid. His performance on the field says otherwise. He hustles on every play, is consistently leading d-lineman in tackles and is all over the field.

If you add up sacks + pressures + deflections + TFL he has got to be towards the top of that list in 2011, 2012 and 2014.
He got screwed out of 1 sack  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/21/2014 5:36 pm : link
Too in the Atlanta game that was rule an incomplete.

He's been one of the better players on D. No even questionable despite too man wanting him to have 2 sacks per game.
JPP  
stretch234 : 10/21/2014 6:02 pm : link
Sacks are down 28% this year in the league vs last year.

He just came off a game against a top LT in which he had 6 tackles and 2 sacks and a couple of other pressures and people are still not satified.

People are so enamored with sack numbers they do not look at what he is doing. Outside of Philly he is having a great year. He is pressuring the QB every game, he is playing really good run D, he bats balls down.

JPP  
KWALL : 10/21/2014 10:25 pm : link
has been the best player on the defense this year.

I just watched the last DAL series on short cuts. We needed a stop and he did everything possible to get it.

On just this series, he had 3 running plays where he hit the RB in the backfield. Just blew past the OT on 2 of them and moved him back 2-3 yards on another.

First play of the series was a TFL by JPP. It was a run to the other side. He easily beat the OT inside and made the play for a loss. 2nd and 11.

The 2nd was to his side on another first down run. He walked the OT back. Complete control of the OT and made another big play on first down. Almost another TFL but the RB gained about 1/2. 2nd and long. (This is something you see often with JPP. He walks the OT back 1, 2, 3 yards and controls both gaps to his side.)

The 3rd was to the other side again. He beat the OT again with a quick inside move to hit the RB 2 yards deep.

He was also held on the key 3rd down slant to Bryant. He was the only DL getting any pressure. He's was the best DL vs the run.
I think he and Prince  
beatrixkiddo : 10/22/2014 12:36 pm : link
are long term players that this Defense needs to keep. Both very young, and only growing as players. What we need is a better DC to help them grow and utilize their strengths better.

I think JPP at LE makes to much sense. Especially with Moore fighting for PT. Jpp/Bromley/Hankins/Moore need to be the starters.
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