Jack Nicklaus hates to see critics 'hammer' Jameis Winston

Penn State status.

In comment 11934371 kickerpa16 said:

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Penn State status.

Yep, said the same thing in a thread the other day. The paranoia, the persecution complex, the self-righteousness....it's all coming together.

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Jack Nicklaus did in fact run his comments through the entire FSU fan base before making them. They received unanimous approval.

Thanks for not holding Jack responsible for his comments. Better to make sure everyone who supports FSU is held accountable for them.

Wait! You're not the one with the tea?

Oh...well then go fuck yourself.

are making similar comments.

I'm solely basing it off of Nicklaus.

Wow. Thanks for setting me straight.

In comment 11934388 Mike from Ohio said:

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Jack Nicklaus did in fact run his comments through the entire FSU fan base before making them. They received unanimous approval. Thanks for not holding Jack responsible for his comments. Better to make sure everyone who supports FSU is held accountable for them.

As I said - persecution complex.

Quite a bit of my family members are Florida State fans, and frankly they're sounding like delusional lunatics lately. Jack Nicklaus' comments are noteworthy because he's got a platform, not because they're out of line with the majority of their fans.

Being accused of: raping a girl, firing a pellet gun at other human beings, stealing crab legs and a beverage, yelling an obscenity in a crowded room at his school. Life just isn't fair. It's the media man, they are out to get him. Those kinds of accusations and the amount of them surely are just coincidence and speak nothing about the great moral character of FSU or Winston.

Way to take the moral high ground Jack Nicklaus.

Nope, feel free to lump everyone together it makes things easier for you to understand.

didn't have a grandkid playing on FSU, he wouldn't be saying shit.

Very few people want Winston thrown in jail. Innocent until proven guilty exists in a court of law, not public opinion.

In comment 11934402 Patrick77 said:

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Being accused of: raping a girl, firing a pellet gun at other human beings, stealing crab legs and a beverage, yelling an obscenity in a crowded room at his school. Life just isn't fair. It's the media man, they are out to get him. Those kinds of accusations and the amount of them surely are just coincidence and speak nothing about the great moral character of FSU or Winston. Way to take the moral high ground Jack Nicklaus.

^This.

In comment 11934400 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 11934388 Mike from Ohio said: Quote: Jack Nicklaus did in fact run his comments through the entire FSU fan base before making them. They received unanimous approval. Thanks for not holding Jack responsible for his comments. Better to make sure everyone who supports FSU is held accountable for them. As I said - persecution complex. Quite a bit of my family members are Florida State fans, and frankly they're sounding like delusional lunatics lately. Jack Nicklaus' comments are noteworthy because he's got a platform, not because they're out of line with the majority of their fans.

And so are mine. And almost to a person none of us like Winston and can't wait for him to move on. But it's good to know we are persecuted and delusional and on par with Penn State fans.

Is Anderson, SC a decent area to stay for a Clemson football weekend? I booked a couple rooms for next years ND-Clemson weekend there, couldn't get any closer as they were either unavailable or 600+ per night which im not paying

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In comment 11934404 Mike from Ohio said:

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Nope, feel free to lump everyone together it makes things easier for you to understand.

Since when does the word "fans" encompass all of them?

Looks like I'm not the one trying to make words easier for comprehension...

In comment 11934412 MookGiants said:

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Is Anderson, SC a decent area to stay for a Clemson football weekend? I booked a couple rooms for next years ND-Clemson weekend there, couldn't get any closer as they were either unavailable or 600+ per night which im not paying

Anderson, SC is about 20 minutes away. 12 mile drive. Gets longer on game days, but yes, not a bad area.

If you want, e-mail me at rsgearh@g.clemson.edu, and I can tell you which hotels to avoid (and which to stay at).

Most of the good ones are right off of 85.

lots of smart people say dumb things, it was just your turn. No problem.

Thanks for playing, though.

kind of like when you went on a rant yesterday about something being nonsense and calling ND beat writers essentially liars when you were the one who had no idea what he was talking about?

or like you asking "why did the ACC admit they missed the call?" when in fact they did no such thing.

It looks like all 3 of us have taken turns saying something stupid recently.

then Brian Kelly is a liar I guess when he said point blank that they told him they just missed the helmet penalty.

Got it.

In general, Brian Kelly does not speak for the ACC.

he made up that conversation that he had with the officials? Yeah, makes sense.

Never mind the fact that you don't even need the confirmation from Kelly to know that they blew the call. All you have to do is watch the video and see his helmet come off to know it's without a doubt a blown call.

When was Winston "charged and convicted and sentenced"?

(Isn't the controversy surrounding him about how he hasn't been?)

you make a fool of yourself when you continue to accept the narrative that was a result of the rush to judge crowd where Penn State and Paterno were concerned.

Have you even bothered to follow the story since then. Have you listened to Bob Costa speak of it, a man whose resume in researching these type of issues is probably better than yours.

Have you bothered to question why the NCAA has dropped the sanctions or learned how flawed the Freeh report was.

Will it make a difference when the President and the Athletic Director are acquitted of any wrong doing. Does it matter that the fine levied on the State of Pennsylvania has been rescinded.

You just keep up your uninformed narrative, but just be certain not to research the story as it has unfolded, because I think you will feel a bit foolish.

In comment 11934583 JoefromPa said:

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you make a fool of yourself when you continue to accept the narrative that was a result of the rush to judge crowd where Penn State and Paterno were concerned. Have you even bothered to follow the story since then. Have you listened to Bob Costa speak of it, a man whose resume in researching these type of issues is probably better than yours. Have you bothered to question why the NCAA has dropped the sanctions or learned how flawed the Freeh report was. Will it make a difference when the President and the Athletic Director are acquitted of any wrong doing. Does it matter that the fine levied on the State of Pennsylvania has been rescinded. You just keep up your uninformed narrative, but just be certain not to research the story as it has unfolded, because I think you will feel a bit foolish.

This makes it so much easier to hate Penn State. Thank you.

In comment 11934583 JoefromPa said:

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you make a fool of yourself when you continue to accept the narrative that was a result of the rush to judge crowd where Penn State and Paterno were concerned. Have you even bothered to follow the story since then. Have you listened to Bob Costa speak of it, a man whose resume in researching these type of issues is probably better than yours. Have you bothered to question why the NCAA has dropped the sanctions or learned how flawed the Freeh report was. Will it make a difference when the President and the Athletic Director are acquitted of any wrong doing. Does it matter that the fine levied on the State of Pennsylvania has been rescinded. You just keep up your uninformed narrative, but just be certain not to research the story as it has unfolded, because I think you will feel a bit foolish.

When the journalistic integrity of Bob Costas is one of your strong points, it's a downhill slide from there.

The moral ground posters making blanket generalizations about a group of people they dont know. Ironic, eh?

I have no horse in this race. I went to Hofstra. I read these threads for insight in news stories. That being said, blanket insults to people seems a bit amateurish, no? Penn state and FSU fans in this board are also Giants fans. So does that make Giants fans the same?? That's a generalization along the same lines, right??

he would sing a different tune.

In comment 11934419 kickerpa16 said:

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In comment 11934412 MookGiants said: Quote: Is Anderson, SC a decent area to stay for a Clemson football weekend? I booked a couple rooms for next years ND-Clemson weekend there, couldn't get any closer as they were either unavailable or 600+ per night which im not paying Anderson, SC is about 20 minutes away. 12 mile drive. Gets longer on game days, but yes, not a bad area. If you want, e-mail me at rsgearh@g.clemson.edu, and I can tell you which hotels to avoid (and which to stay at). Most of the good ones are right off of 85.

Stay at South of the Border. Sure it is nowhere near Clemson, but fuck it man, it's Pedro!

In comment 11934583 JoefromPa said:

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you make a fool of yourself when you continue to accept the narrative that was a result of the rush to judge crowd where Penn State and Paterno were concerned. Have you even bothered to follow the story since then. Have you listened to Bob Costa speak of it, a man whose resume in researching these type of issues is probably better than yours. Have you bothered to question why the NCAA has dropped the sanctions or learned how flawed the Freeh report was. Will it make a difference when the President and the Athletic Director are acquitted of any wrong doing. Does it matter that the fine levied on the State of Pennsylvania has been rescinded. You just keep up your uninformed narrative, but just be certain not to research the story as it has unfolded, because I think you will feel a bit foolish.

These guys have not read thing since the media told them how to think 2 years ago. They believe what they are told and then move on. It's just ignorance at this point. You can't reason with them.

Proven.

In comment 11934392 Motley Blue said:

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Wait! You're not the one with the tea? Oh...well then go fuck yourself.

the Lemonade iced tea is called an Arnold Palmer, not a Jack Nicklaus. #FYI

In comment 11934371 kickerpa16 said:

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Penn State status.

Welcome to college football. They're all like that.

It's great to watch one group of assholes argue with another group of assholes over a Super Asshole's problems.
When are these big college football programs going to stop recruiting thugs just because they are good athletes?
They could probably do a good recruiting job in the various state prisons.

The same group of posters come out in force to assert how people don't have the full story and how they are just following what the media is telling them. It seems they protest too much...

more funny in the world than the PSU colt calling others ignorant or saying you can't reason with them.

In comment 11934917 Peter in Atlanta said:

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In comment 11934371 kickerpa16 said: Quote: Penn State status. Welcome to college football. They're all like that.

That's why I'm glad my alma mater is D-3.

We don't have these issues.

it is easy enough to say there is not proof that a crime has been committed, but it seems possible, likely even, that there isn't proof a crime has been committed because people connected with the university kept it from being properly investigated and, if appropriate, prosecuted.

Now aside from insisting that they aren't The U, FSU fans have never had anywhere near the sanctimoniousness that Paterno's cultlike following did. But at the end of the day it's a fucking football game, and when football and the money it produces becomes so central to the school's identity that it keeps you from acknowledging the blatantly obvious, you're starting to trend into Penn State territory. And no, it isn't the entire fanbase (and wasn't with Penn State). But it's a large and prominent segment of it.

Give me a break. Free Sneakers U fans are just as bad as any other major program.

In comment 11935048 Peter in Atlanta said:

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Give me a break. Free Sneakers U fans are just as bad as any other major program.

Doesn't matter the program, once they reach celebrity status the microscopes come out. They all have an accumulation of questionable "athletes" (except Notre Dame, of course.)
You never here about Utah, Wyoming, Minnesota, the Ivy League schools, etc having persons of questionable morality.

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they'll stop when the cost of having those thugs outweighs the profit.

FSU doesn't give a damn. Come on. They want to win now & damn the consequences later.

Winston seems like a total tool & any NFL team willing to take him high needs to get their heads examined.

One of the great Roadhouse bars in America. I heard it closed. Has it been reincarnated?

In comment 11935447 Crispino said:

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One of the great Roadhouse bars in America. I heard it closed. Has it been reincarnated?

I lived right around the corner, within walking distance.

It did close, temporarily, but was re-opened (same name and all) before I left.

Behind a beauty salon and car dealership, now.

That was a fun place.

THE best karaoke in the world. Hammered people destroying country songs, and the crowd loving it like it was the best thing they ever heard. Everybody smoking and NASCAR on every TV. Loved that place! A classic joint.

Props to him.

lost a bunch of the karaoke crowd to a couple of surrounding bars.