hindsight, but given this players history, the Giants should have front-loaded the guarantees on this deal so should an injury arise as expected they'd be protected financially.
it's not awful, but an injury was also kind of predictable for him. The players don't care really, guarantees are guarantees, front-load or back-loaded, that's what they're going to get.
If the Giants had the space, which they probably didn't it would have been nice to not worry about him next year being injured or leaving dead space.
team-friendly. Reese was well aware of Beason's injury history when structuring the deal. Only about six million is guaranteed which includes this year's salary, the $4.4M signing bonus, and $900K of next year's salary.
team-friendly. Reese was well aware of Beason's injury history when structuring the deal. Only about six million is guaranteed which includes this year's salary, the $4.4M signing bonus, and $900K of next year's salary.
It is not very team friendly unless you know what others would have offered him. I don't know for sure, but either does anyone else, though I suspect no one was giving him close to 6M guaranteed.
And my point was I would have tried to structure it so the 6M guaranteed was all year 1. Maybe include a roster bonus for 1M in March of 2015.
that would have been a team friendly 6M guarantee.
3M guaranteed this year and 3M guaranteed next year is not really team friendly.
Almost 4M in dead space to cut him for next year and a 7.3M cap hit if they gamble on next year and keep him as currently structured.
can't stay healthy? Nicks, JPP, Wilson, Cruz, Beason, DRC, Jennings. That's a lot of talent either NOT on the field for you or on the field but playing at a lower level because of injury. I mention Nicks because his career here was cut short by injuries.
I can remember people being derided as idiots for questioning the trading for Beason or for questioning the contract. Now the guy is a bum.
The truth is he is a smart, talented, physically limited, 2 down MLB who can't stay healthy. My only complaint with him when he was healthy was that he couldn't cover backs or tight ends.
I said the Beason signing was like the Baas and Beatty signings....we had no one to play the position and he was the only one available out there...the caveat was, we saw what he could do when he was healthy, but could he stay healthy?
The only hope was to PUP him...but they didn't want him to miss the beginning of the season....he didn't and ended up possibly missing the whole season....it's another one of those Giant doctor decisions...all he needs is rest instead of surgery....so Reese takes another gamble, and fails....the money could have been used to keep Linval.....
can't stay healthy? Nicks, JPP, Wilson, Cruz, Beason, DRC, Jennings. That's a lot of talent either NOT on the field for you or on the field but playing at a lower level because of injury. I mention Nicks because his career here was cut short by injuries.
Hey man, don't you know everyone has injuries. [/sarcasm] (And you forgot Schwartz and Thurmond and McBride)
has been a problem (cost/cap notwithstanding), not because of hankins, but because of Jenkins and Mike Patterson and Markus Kuhn. Jenkins hasn't been active enough and Patterson and Kuhn aren't starters.
And interior of Linval and Hankins would have been great.
has been a problem (cost/cap notwithstanding), not because of hankins, but because of Jenkins and Mike Patterson and Markus Kuhn. Jenkins hasn't been active enough and Patterson and Kuhn aren't starters.
And interior of Linval and Hankins would have been great.
Good point. The pass rush would still be nonexistent but the inside runs would essentially be a waste of time for opposing offenses. Then the Giants could potentially afford to trot out the 3 safety look or the smaller faster linebackers more often.
I said the Beason signing was like the Baas and Beatty signings....we had no one to play the position and he was the only one available out there...the caveat was, we saw what he could do when he was healthy, but could he stay healthy?
More BS revisionist nonsense from you. He was worth what he got based on his play last year. He was healthy and stayed healthy as far as his previous problems were concerned. The problems he has had this year have nothing to do with his prior injuries. You're such a BS artist.
gambled with Beason and lost. He can't stay healthy. The trade, which I wrongly criticized, was fine. It was only a seventh. But the contract looks like a mistake. I'm not sure if not resigning Beason would have meant that we could have resigned Joseph, but even if we couldn't, Beason is just too banged up. His contract resembles what we did with Beatty, overpaid for a player because we had no or limited other options at the position. My understanding is that his cap hit is 7.3M next season, and about $3.5M if he's cut.
He needs to go on IR. We're already terribly slow at LB and S. Him playing is part of the problem. Go with Williams, McClain, Kennard. Use Paysinger and Herzlich as backups. Maybe bring a LB up from the PS. But Beason is done this year, and quite possibly as a Giant.
As I recall, Beason's deal has $900K of his base salary guaranteed for 2015. Granted, not a lot if they wanted to cut him (which I don't see happening), but if they do cut him you have to add that guaranteed money to the dead money total.
Hes just not ever gonna be healthy to the point of being worth his contract
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Granted he is basically the qb of the defense (and Rolle)
I was surprised re: Hermann's comments re: Williams - doesn't seem like he has made that many plays.
Later Beason
Hes just not ever gonna be healthy to the point of being worth his contract
Beason can be released next year pre June 1 with a 3.5 m cap saving and 3.8 dead money. My guess is they'll offer him a pay cut.
put beason on ir....injury settlement
another injured lb giants get...waste of
$5 mil
If the Giants had the space, which they probably didn't it would have been nice to not worry about him next year being injured or leaving dead space.
Beason, yes, I would cut and would have never signed him to the stupid contract Reese did.
We all make mistakes though.
It is not very team friendly unless you know what others would have offered him. I don't know for sure, but either does anyone else, though I suspect no one was giving him close to 6M guaranteed.
And my point was I would have tried to structure it so the 6M guaranteed was all year 1. Maybe include a roster bonus for 1M in March of 2015.
that would have been a team friendly 6M guarantee.
3M guaranteed this year and 3M guaranteed next year is not really team friendly.
Almost 4M in dead space to cut him for next year and a 7.3M cap hit if they gamble on next year and keep him as currently structured.
Not what I call team friendly.
The truth is he is a smart, talented, physically limited, 2 down MLB who can't stay healthy. My only complaint with him when he was healthy was that he couldn't cover backs or tight ends.
The only hope was to PUP him...but they didn't want him to miss the beginning of the season....he didn't and ended up possibly missing the whole season....it's another one of those Giant doctor decisions...all he needs is rest instead of surgery....so Reese takes another gamble, and fails....the money could have been used to keep Linval.....
Hey man, don't you know everyone has injuries. [/sarcasm] (And you forgot Schwartz and Thurmond and McBride)
And interior of Linval and Hankins would have been great.
And interior of Linval and Hankins would have been great.
Good point. The pass rush would still be nonexistent but the inside runs would essentially be a waste of time for opposing offenses. Then the Giants could potentially afford to trot out the 3 safety look or the smaller faster linebackers more often.
You can't keep signing players with this history and be surprised when they get hurt. Devon Kennard time.
More BS revisionist nonsense from you. He was worth what he got based on his play last year. He was healthy and stayed healthy as far as his previous problems were concerned. The problems he has had this year have nothing to do with his prior injuries. You're such a BS artist.
I don't think it was a reaming, but it definitely wasn't team friendly.
it was one of those contracts I think was in the middle (at best - with leanings toward being player friendly).
He needs to go on IR. We're already terribly slow at LB and S. Him playing is part of the problem. Go with Williams, McClain, Kennard. Use Paysinger and Herzlich as backups. Maybe bring a LB up from the PS. But Beason is done this year, and quite possibly as a Giant.
Yes, save 3.5 with 3.8 in dead space.
I know some people only focus on the savings not the dead space, but the dead space in essence reduces your total cap # to spend that year.
well. You take gambles because you have to.