he cited to the rules and regulations that permitted him to do what he was doing, the police officer read the rules out loud, and the officer used his discretion to ignore the law.
For my money law enforcement officers are given too much leeway and qualified immunity operates to assure them that they can never be held personally culpable for their actions.
In that regard, early, pre exclusionary rule 4th amendment jurisprudence stood for the proposition that if the police violated the constitution in executing an unlawful search and seizure the citizen could vindicate his rights in a civil action against the police force in general and, specifically, the officer in question.
This fucking shitstain should lose his job for this. It's not acceptable and it's not fair that these guys get away with treating innocent people like criminals.
Can't believe the cop allowed himself to be so distracted Â
The cop got that part wrong. I was going to say it was, however to solicit "tips" as it is considered panhandling. But, the excerpt of the law included expressly says accepting of donations for artistic performances is permitted.
Segment of BBI can't admit any wrongdoing and can merely drop a snide remark.
Surprise, surprise.
I can't stand Pink Floyd and that guys music does nothing for me. But holy shit, a cop reads out loud a clause that proves he isn't breaking the law, and arrests + harrasses him anyway.
And of course, somebody on BBI is all HURRR DURRR PROLLY A RUSE TO TRICK DEM ANTI-COP HIPSTERS.
I wonder if you guys could chime in about that cop in Spotswood, NJ who was caught on camera saying he doesn't give a shit about the constitution and doesn't have to follow it bc Obama doesn't. Of course, the town legislature banned filming inside of a police station, cause you know, that's the egregious part.
Segment of BBI can't admit any wrongdoing and can merely drop a snide remark.
Surprise, surprise.
I can't stand Pink Floyd and that guys music does nothing for me. But holy shit, a cop reads out loud a clause that proves he isn't breaking the law, and arrests + harrasses him anyway.
And of course, somebody on BBI is all HURRR DURRR PROLLY A RUSE TO TRICK DEM ANTI-COP HIPSTERS.
I wonder if you guys could chime in about that cop in Spotswood, NJ who was caught on camera saying he doesn't give a shit about the constitution and doesn't have to follow it bc Obama doesn't. Of course, the town legislature banned filming inside of a police station, cause you know, that's the egregious part.
Anyone got any hot takes on that one?
You may be taking the value of a post on a football message board a teensy bit too seriously...
and was likely embarrassed at that point and dug in his heals. Would have been wiser to just laugh it off and move on at that point.
However the guy was just as small minded about it all and should have simply left when originally asked to. He seemed to be enjoying the attention his "moment" was gaining him and was probably hoping the publicity help his career.
Basically two individuals expending way too much energy over something not worth doing so for and both thinking themselves and the situation much more important than either really are.
The only ones I felt sorry for were the other officers that were called into the situation and had to waste their time supporting the other officer. I'm sure each one of them had better things to do with their time.
and the cop was still ordering him to leave he should have simply complied. The situation simply wasn't worth arguing about at that point. He could leave and easily come back the next day and I doubt ever get bother about it again. Sometimes using a little wisdom and maturity when making decisions is better than continue to argue with certain people in certain situations.
RE: Steve basically saying we should just do whatever the cop says Â
No, I am saying some situation don't warrant acting like he did. I have stood up to police wrong doing in situations before, but when I did the situation warranted it. This one didn't.
this guy is full of himself because he decided to stand up for his rights and not let the Cop kick him out for no reason?
If a Cop is telling me I can't do something that I have every right to do, I should just listen to him no matter what?
This is the camera phone age. The cop simply has to be smarter. 99% of the blame in this situation goes to the dumbass Cop who couldn't admit he was wrong. Blaming the panhandler for being a part of the problem in this situation is just ridiculous.
RE: RE: Steve basically saying we should just do whatever the cop says Â
You shouldn't have to act like a complete slave around a cop. You shouldn't be forced to do whatever the cop says when you know what the cop is saying is false.
I have respect for this guy who decided to not be a slave and fought for his rights. Sure the camera phone is what allowed him to act tough, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact it's absolutely awesome that we have camera phones that keep cops on a level playing field.
As much as I can live without the live performances in subway stations Â
a lot of people seem to enjoy it from the money in their guitar cases. The cop should realize he was in the NYC subway and not in Mayberry. If guys like the Naked Cowboy can play the streets, why harass a guy in the subway? This is NYC and that is all part of the deal
this guy is full of himself because he decided to stand up for his rights and not let the Cop kick him out for no reason?
If a Cop is telling me I can't do something that I have every right to do, I should just listen to him no matter what?
This is the camera phone age. The cop simply has to be smarter. 99% of the blame in this situation goes to the dumbass Cop who couldn't admit he was wrong. Blaming the panhandler for being a part of the problem in this situation is just ridiculous.
You think it's worth it? Go for it. Ain't worth the hassle for me. Stopped getting into silly meaningless fights long ago.
But then again, that's why I carry. If some asshole refuses to drop it and backs me into a corner when I'm walking away, all bets are off.
The panhandler wasn't walking away when he had the opportunity to do it.
Many more options than a confrontation.
You want to sit in a jail cell till your proven right, go for it.
was how the cop was wrong and it never should have gotten to that point. But the reality is that it did so then how best to deal with it? Putting things in proper perspective is a good place to start. If I know I am right about something but it isn't that big of a deal I then have the choice to continue to argue and try and embarrass the police officer who obviously was too insecure to handle being publicly shown to be wrong or simply drop it at that point and take the high road. Understanding that policeman have hard jobs to do and simply being courteous to another person in what is a small disagreement I would choose to take the high road instead of escalating the situation.
I am secure enough that I don't have to dig in my heals and argue in every situation even if I know I am right. If it really isn't a big deal the why make it one.
this guy is full of himself because he decided to stand up for his rights and not let the Cop kick him out for no reason?
If a Cop is telling me I can't do something that I have every right to do, I should just listen to him no matter what?
This is the camera phone age. The cop simply has to be smarter. 99% of the blame in this situation goes to the dumbass Cop who couldn't admit he was wrong. Blaming the panhandler for being a part of the problem in this situation is just ridiculous.
You think it's worth it? Go for it. Ain't worth the hassle for me. Stopped getting into silly meaningless fights long ago.
But then again, that's why I carry. If some asshole refuses to drop it and backs me into a corner when I'm walking away, all bets are off.
The panhandler wasn't walking away when he had the opportunity to do it.
Many more options than a confrontation.
You want to sit in a jail cell till your proven right, go for it.
and you see nothing wrong with that logic. There may be a time where you decide what's right outweighs being worried about all the potential consequences for standing up.
this guy is full of himself because he decided to stand up for his rights and not let the Cop kick him out for no reason?
If a Cop is telling me I can't do something that I have every right to do, I should just listen to him no matter what?
This is the camera phone age. The cop simply has to be smarter. 99% of the blame in this situation goes to the dumbass Cop who couldn't admit he was wrong. Blaming the panhandler for being a part of the problem in this situation is just ridiculous.
You think it's worth it? Go for it. Ain't worth the hassle for me. Stopped getting into silly meaningless fights long ago.
But then again, that's why I carry. If some asshole refuses to drop it and backs me into a corner when I'm walking away, all bets are off.
The panhandler wasn't walking away when he had the opportunity to do it.
Many more options than a confrontation.
You want to sit in a jail cell till your proven right, go for it.
and you see nothing wrong with that logic. There may be a time where you decide what's right outweighs being worried about all the potential consequences for standing up.
Of course, but you are missing the point. We are saying this situation wasn't a big deal not worth taking it to that level. Just acting immature at that point IMO.
I risked a lot more than this guy will ever face when I once chose to stand up to a corrupt police situation and believe me it wasn't and easy thing to go through. Yet because the situation warranted it I would do it again if faced with the same circumstances.
Can't stand Pink Floyd but "that guy's" music does nothing for you.
Tells me you are not nearly qualified to comment on Pink Floyd, not even taking into account that Sonic Youth is a punk band wannabe.
Which "guy" is it you detest in Pink Floyd? Pink or Floyd?
by the way! which one's Pink?
Dude, what the fuck are you rambling on about?
I don't fucking like Pink Floyd. Never really liked most classic rock save for a couple of exceptions (Television if you count them as classic rock, the Soft Machine, very select Led Zeppelin songs).
People have different taste. Get the fuck over it. One of my favorite bands is called The Dillinger Escape Plan. 99.99999999% of people on earth would hear it and think its unlistenable garbage. You think I give a fuck what they think?
So yes, Pink Floyd does fucking nothing for me. And that guy seemed like a mediocre musician to me.
Also, Sonic Youth is kind of whatever. Couple good albums here and there, mostly late 80s, and stringed throughout the 00s. i'm 25, I think I made this account when I was 15. WGAF? "wannabe punk" uh I guess. Maybe in the 80s. Most of their stuff is definitely not what I'd consider "punk" by today's standards.
Anyway, I don't get Steve's point either. It pretty much is the thinking of "it doesn't matter if I'm legally in the right, I should submit my rights to a cop cause he's a cop".
Goes pretty much against the fiber of what our country stands for.
Incredibly cringeworthy listening to a bunch of hipster yuppie twig douchebags chanting fuck tha poe lease.
Yeah, uh, the guy was following the law. So in this case, the cop IGNORED the law.
Clearly you didn't watch the video and didn't see the part where the cop read, off of his phone, the clause that stated the guitar-guy was allowed to play in the subway.
So your post goes against exactly what you were trying to assert. Nice work there, chief.
How exactly does choosing to not make it a bigger deal than needs be Â
and coming back again the next day to continue business as usual go against the fiber of what our country stands for?
Using a little wisdom and keeping things in there proper perspective instead of needlessly escalating them isn't un-American.
The idea of completely surrendering your rights because an authority is being a dick to you isn't un-American?
Or worse, to stand up for something you have a legal right to do, watch an Officer read aloud that you have a legal right to do it, then still get arrested, thrown in jail, and forced to pay monetarily isn't un-American?
Guy does nothing wrong, cop tells him to stop. Guy points out what he is doing legal, cop comes and throws him in jail cause he feels like it.
Yeah, sounds like Liberty and Justice for all.
Also, if that camera phone wasn't rolling, you absolutely know that guy had no shot at fighting that ticket.
That the dipshit filming was more focused on the battle of nitwits and not the chicken in the short leather skirt - whom he simply pushes out of the frame - lest he miss some genius constitutional argument over bad singing.
would be to leave and never return. Drawing a line in the sand and escalating the situation with one insecure uninformed cop has nothing to do with surrendering your rights and more to do with ones maturity level.
I'll say it again, the situation was simply not a big deal and taking the high road after having proven his point would probably have gone much further in changing the cops views on things than acting as he did.
Now if he showed up day after day and the same cop kept harassing him even after being made aware of the exception to the law then you have an entirely different situation. However if he had left after proving his point I seriously doubt he ever hears from that cop again and is left to sing as he chooses all rights intact and making the bigger impression on everyone involved.
Sometimes understanding the situation and how it relates to the bigger picture is more beneficial.
would be to leave and never return. Drawing a line in the sand and escalating the situation with one insecure uninformed cop has nothing to do with surrendering your rights and more to do with ones maturity level.
I'll say it again, the situation was simply not a big deal and taking the high road after having proven his point would probably have gone much further in changing the cops views on things than acting as he did.
Now if he showed up day after day and the same cop kept harassing him even after being made aware of the exception to the law then you have an entirely different situation. However if he had left after proving his point I seriously doubt he ever hears from that cop again and is left to sing as he chooses all rights intact and making the bigger impression on everyone involved.
Sometimes understanding the situation and how it relates to the bigger picture is more beneficial.
Do you honestly believe that by submitting and just leaving he was going to change that cop's mindset or opinion at all?
None of this is that guy's fault though, you said it yourself. He was within his rights and this is on the cop. The cop isn't enforcing the law, and is just fucking with people cause he's pissed off.
I get where you're coming from with the whole "is it worth it, turn the other cheek" mentality. And usually it makes sense in most encounters. But it's sad to think that people can get arrested for doing nothing illegal because a cop thought they were disrespectful.
Again, goes against the core tenants of the freedoms we are supposed to enjoy.
would be to leave and never return. Drawing a line in the sand and escalating the situation with one insecure uninformed cop has nothing to do with surrendering your rights and more to do with ones maturity level.
I'll say it again, the situation was simply not a big deal and taking the high road after having proven his point would probably have gone much further in changing the cops views on things than acting as he did.
Now if he showed up day after day and the same cop kept harassing him even after being made aware of the exception to the law then you have an entirely different situation. However if he had left after proving his point I seriously doubt he ever hears from that cop again and is left to sing as he chooses all rights intact and making the bigger impression on everyone involved.
Sometimes understanding the situation and how it relates to the bigger picture is more beneficial.
And I also don't see how drawing in a line in the sand has nothing to do with surrendering his rights. It's completely surrendering his rights. He's submitting his legal right to do something cause the cop felt the need to make his own rules as opposed to enforcing the ones in place.
But in life everything is not nor ever will be completely fair and pleasant in all situation and it is of little benefit to lose perspective of that and become outraged at every small minded person you may encounter.
If a situation warranted it I would probably be the first in line standing up to police wronging someone and as I mentioned in another post I have done so before and at much greater risk than this nonsense on the tape. The point is this situation isn't anything alarming. The cop made a mistake and he should have been secure enough to laugh it off and be on his way but since he wasn't how best deal with that one individual cop in that moment. It isn't about surrendering his rights just being the bigger man at that point understanding the cop was probably too embarrassed and insure to easily back down. Giving him that out isn't a horrible or weak thing to do but the more secure thing to do.
Like the old saying, know best when to pick your battles.
Didn't you post last week that you were just assigned to resurrect some fledgling sales company?
How fair is it to the men and women that are depending on you to save their lively hood that you're hanging out on BBI making no sense instead of developing ways to help them feed their families?
Just sayin...
RE: RE: Cops enforce the law, they don't make them Â
Incredibly cringeworthy listening to a bunch of hipster yuppie twig douchebags chanting fuck tha poe lease.
Yeah, uh, the guy was following the law. So in this case, the cop IGNORED the law.
Clearly you didn't watch the video and didn't see the part where the cop read, off of his phone, the clause that stated the guitar-guy was allowed to play in the subway.
So your post goes against exactly what you were trying to assert. Nice work there, chief.
I was saying cops enforce the law, they don't make them. As in, cops shouldn't be making the laws as they go along and arrest people so they can keep their dick size in tact. Just enforce the laws that are made.
Aren't you the same blowjob that started some carney thread swearing you were going to win big? Fuck off, loser.
Didn't you post last week that you were just assigned to resurrect some fledgling sales company?
How fair is it to the men and women that are depending on you to save their lively hood that you're hanging out on BBI making no sense instead of developing ways to help them feed their families?
Just sayin...
lol. What, at like 10 PM?
I worked at a Guitar Center back in the day. I sold a lot of shit to a lot of balding, middle aged men who wanted to relive their youth and pretend they were David Gilmour or Roger Waters, dipshit.
I don't like Pink Floyd or classic rock. Most 25 year olds don't. Get the sand outta your vagina over it, you fucking weirdo.
RE: RE: RE: Cops enforce the law, they don't make them Â
Incredibly cringeworthy listening to a bunch of hipster yuppie twig douchebags chanting fuck tha poe lease.
Yeah, uh, the guy was following the law. So in this case, the cop IGNORED the law.
Clearly you didn't watch the video and didn't see the part where the cop read, off of his phone, the clause that stated the guitar-guy was allowed to play in the subway.
So your post goes against exactly what you were trying to assert. Nice work there, chief.
I was saying cops enforce the law, they don't make them. As in, cops shouldn't be making the laws as they go along and arrest people so they can keep their dick size in tact. Just enforce the laws that are made.
Aren't you the same blowjob that started some carney thread swearing you were going to win big? Fuck off, loser.
oh yeah, makes perfect sense when coupled with the whole hipster dipshit next line. not my fault was so muddled and didn't accurately convey what you were thinking. whatever, at least you agree with me.
and loser =( you really got me with that one big guy =( that one hurts =( =( =(
RE: RE: RE: RE: Cops enforce the law, they don't make them Â
Incredibly cringeworthy listening to a bunch of hipster yuppie twig douchebags chanting fuck tha poe lease.
Yeah, uh, the guy was following the law. So in this case, the cop IGNORED the law.
Clearly you didn't watch the video and didn't see the part where the cop read, off of his phone, the clause that stated the guitar-guy was allowed to play in the subway.
So your post goes against exactly what you were trying to assert. Nice work there, chief.
I was saying cops enforce the law, they don't make them. As in, cops shouldn't be making the laws as they go along and arrest people so they can keep their dick size in tact. Just enforce the laws that are made.
Aren't you the same blowjob that started some carney thread swearing you were going to win big? Fuck off, loser.
oh yeah, makes perfect sense when coupled with the whole hipster dipshit next line. not my fault was so muddled and didn't accurately convey what you were thinking. whatever, at least you agree with me.
and loser =( you really got me with that one big guy =( that one hurts =( =( =(
should read "your post was so muddled"...
seriously though. re-read your post and see how it comes off.
RE: RE: RE: Cops enforce the law, they don't make them Â
Incredibly cringeworthy listening to a bunch of hipster yuppie twig douchebags chanting fuck tha poe lease.
Yeah, uh, the guy was following the law. So in this case, the cop IGNORED the law.
Clearly you didn't watch the video and didn't see the part where the cop read, off of his phone, the clause that stated the guitar-guy was allowed to play in the subway.
So your post goes against exactly what you were trying to assert. Nice work there, chief.
I was saying cops enforce the law, they don't make them. As in, cops shouldn't be making the laws as they go along and arrest people so they can keep their dick size in tact. Just enforce the laws that are made.
Aren't you the same blowjob that started some carney thread swearing you were going to win big? Fuck off, loser.
btw, that was me. it wasn't a carnival, it was in the middle of nyc. and i really don't give a fuck about it.
And that the yuppies were jerk offs at the same time. Just like how I can walk and chew gum at the same time. Or know that I'm getting scammed by a carny and have a brain at the same time.
"Not my fault was so muddled" is superb irony by the way.
Should've worded it better, but I didn't expect a paragraph response telling me how I didn't watch the video etc. after typing about 8 words about the matter myself.
Makes you irrelevant. Where do you think your replacement music came from?
Steve, I'm returning fire from previous encounters. Just thought the fact he started a thread asking for help promoting himself as a "savior" for the company he had been assigned to was fair game. Post it got to be it, right? Pics or GTFO.
Should've worded it better, but I didn't expect a paragraph response telling me how I didn't watch the video etc. after typing about 8 words about the matter myself.
okay, so if you can see how it comes off, why don't you just fucking say "that's not what I meant" instead of pulling some irrelevant garbage thread from like 6 months ago out of your ass in some effort to prove your 'internet superiority brah' over me.
cause when you re-read your posts, it seems you can tell it comes off a different way.
or, you know, you can continue being a condescending dickhead.
btw i have no fucking shame about that carnival game. i didn't twiddle my dick going to carnivals while growing up. if i burned a couple hundred bucks while drunk and having fun at a street fair, i really don't give a shit. but okay, carry on and proceed as if it has anything to do with the fact that your post came off completely different than what you intended....
Makes you irrelevant. Where do you think your replacement music came from?
Steve, I'm returning fire from previous encounters. Just thought the fact he started a thread asking for help promoting himself as a "savior" for the company he had been assigned to was fair game. Post it got to be it, right? Pics or GTFO.
He chose to engage me, his mistake...
what are you, a fucking moron? i was asking for help linking up salesforce and quickbooks. yeah i sure was stroking my dick and promoting myself over in that thread! i've literally come to BBI to get sales related advice in the past (in fact from steve in KY himself) so you can honestly go fuck yourself.
i have no idea what the fuck "engagement" you're referring to. you must have a truly pathetic life to start creating fights with strangers and pretending people on the internet give two shits about you.
plus, i have no clue what you mean by replacement music. are you serious mad that people have different tastes in music? CAN'T SPELL CRAP WITHOUT RAP, AMIRITE FOLKS?
like i said before, you're one sad fucking weirdo. you need a life dude.
why do you keep calling them yuppies? We only see one guy, and he's a musician on a subway platform. Stop projecting.
To be fair though, it is Metropolitan ave and looks like the L train subway station (I think)... probably a couple hipsters in there. Not sure about yuppies though. I always kind of considered yuppies and hipsters to be opposites.
from someone who must be full of such self-loathing, or just such a curmudgeon to have to [incorrectly] label these guys he doesn't know, can barely see
To have grown an expertise in spotting them a mile away. I can smell the Panera Bread on their breath from here.
Calling someone yuppies = self loathing. Got it.
I don't hate them. I just find it incredibly awkward when they are chanting fuck the police. At least half of those people went to private school. Stop the nonsense.
Carry on Sonic, I'm sure you're a decent guy. If you don't recall the pile on, no need for me to take it personally.
One word of advice though, if you're actually in sales, those balding middle aged guys trying to relive their youth usually have more expendable cash than the 25 year old sect.
about that "hipster yuppie twig douchebags" who just came from Panera that you know so much about-- as an expert, of course.
My opinion? They were a little testy without their double shot mocha frap venti. Fuck the police chants pouring in were just a byproduct of the root cause.
You know, for someone so against projecting and false accusing, you don't really mind doing it yourself. So far I'm a self-loathing bitter old man. What else do you have in your bag of tricks?
Carry on Sonic, I'm sure you're a decent guy. If you don't recall the pile on, no need for me to take it personally.
One word of advice though, if you're actually in sales, those balding middle aged guys trying to relive their youth usually have more expendable cash than the 25 year old sect.
Just sayin...
pile on? i've come to BBI at times when I was worried sick about losing my previous job and gotten help from the sales guys here. but yea, I'm all about stroking my ego in a thread as dry as linking a CRM with accounting software.
and i don't sell to consumers. I sell b2b.
like i said, you're a sad, old weirdo. you invent internet fights with people, think people give a shit about you, and for some reason get mad when people don't listen to bands that were big 15 years before they were born.
Do yourselves a favor and run away from this thread lol. You are trying to rationalize with trolls.
no idea if you left me out intentionally to imply that I am a troll, but i have never at any point taken a contentious point to simply get a rise or fuck with people on this board, which is what a troll essentially does.
maybe you don't agree with my opinions (probably goes back to some mike brown thread or some bullshit) but I don't come to this board and try to bait people/instigate people into having retarded arguments i.e rocky thompson.
Misguided, but perhaps Steve was right. I respect Steve and apologize if I was too harsh. I'll ignore your little personal jabs and wish you the best in your endeavors. I wish no harm to anyone I argue with ( well,no harm to most of the people I argue with). My fault for not recognizing who I was talking to, you seemed like a veteran to me with your knowledge of Rutgers football.
Mike in Long Beach is irrelevant. A true pile oner, actually a scout for the sheep. Ignore him, he's nobody.
AGF, I am and have always been rocky thompson, I was banned because I hate Yankee fans.
I go further back on this board than just about anyone that's wasn't part of Pete's Corner originally. Hung with posters at camp, welcomed a few into my home and visited others.met my wife at training camp, had my wedding picture posted on the front page. Drove from North Carolina to tailgate with BBI friends and didn't even go to the game.
Most of the people I hung with don't post anymore because the idiots have taken over. The mob mentality has scared most of the intelligent posters off, well, maybe not scared them off but they just don't bother anymore. I won't relinquish what was once a good place. The mob doesn't like me, I don't care, if this was a bar, I guarantee you there wouldn't be as many so willing to jump on the pile.
It all boils down to Yankee fans which I will no longer discuss just thought you should know the truth...
For my money law enforcement officers are given too much leeway and qualified immunity operates to assure them that they can never be held personally culpable for their actions.
In that regard, early, pre exclusionary rule 4th amendment jurisprudence stood for the proposition that if the police violated the constitution in executing an unlawful search and seizure the citizen could vindicate his rights in a civil action against the police force in general and, specifically, the officer in question.
What ever happened to that paradigm?
What a country. The rule of law my ass.
It's like Mike Francesa in a cop uniform.
Finally, some quality police work.
That's pretty good.
But there isn't. That's the whole point...
The legislature/council should make a law then. It's not the police's job to start making stuff up because some guy annoys them.
These 2 mountebanks probably pimp this ruse from station to station, taking the anti-establishment hipsters for fools.
Homeboy should belt out a more apropos tune.
And you wounder why 50,000 NY'ers are moving to Fla every year. Never mind the others fleeing to other states.:)
Segment of BBI can't admit any wrongdoing and can merely drop a snide remark.
Surprise, surprise.
I can't stand Pink Floyd and that guys music does nothing for me. But holy shit, a cop reads out loud a clause that proves he isn't breaking the law, and arrests + harrasses him anyway.
And of course, somebody on BBI is all HURRR DURRR PROLLY A RUSE TO TRICK DEM ANTI-COP HIPSTERS.
I wonder if you guys could chime in about that cop in Spotswood, NJ who was caught on camera saying he doesn't give a shit about the constitution and doesn't have to follow it bc Obama doesn't. Of course, the town legislature banned filming inside of a police station, cause you know, that's the egregious part.
Anyone got any hot takes on that one?
Everyone moving to Alaska?
About the only one left that basically doesn't give a shit as long as nobody kills each other.
Can't get more common sense than that.
Segment of BBI can't admit any wrongdoing and can merely drop a snide remark.
Surprise, surprise.
I can't stand Pink Floyd and that guys music does nothing for me. But holy shit, a cop reads out loud a clause that proves he isn't breaking the law, and arrests + harrasses him anyway.
And of course, somebody on BBI is all HURRR DURRR PROLLY A RUSE TO TRICK DEM ANTI-COP HIPSTERS.
I wonder if you guys could chime in about that cop in Spotswood, NJ who was caught on camera saying he doesn't give a shit about the constitution and doesn't have to follow it bc Obama doesn't. Of course, the town legislature banned filming inside of a police station, cause you know, that's the egregious part.
Anyone got any hot takes on that one?
You may be taking the value of a post on a football message board a teensy bit too seriously...
However the guy was just as small minded about it all and should have simply left when originally asked to. He seemed to be enjoying the attention his "moment" was gaining him and was probably hoping the publicity help his career.
Basically two individuals expending way too much energy over something not worth doing so for and both thinking themselves and the situation much more important than either really are.
The only ones I felt sorry for were the other officers that were called into the situation and had to waste their time supporting the other officer. I'm sure each one of them had better things to do with their time.
The guy should just leave because a dumb Cop tells him to for no reason whatsoever?
A Cop can't do whatever the fuck he wants. And this guy shouldn't be forced to leave just because the Cop tells him.
No. It's everyone has to be confrontational Human nature. Gte pushed you push back.
This is the result.
A simple thing taken through proper channels and the cop is screwed.
Now the situation is elevated to a point where it shouldn't have gone.
Common sense isn't common any more. It takes two to tango.
If a Cop is telling me I can't do something that I have every right to do, I should just listen to him no matter what?
This is the camera phone age. The cop simply has to be smarter. 99% of the blame in this situation goes to the dumbass Cop who couldn't admit he was wrong. Blaming the panhandler for being a part of the problem in this situation is just ridiculous.
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because he's a cop.
No. It's everyone has to be confrontational Human nature. Gte pushed you push back.
This is the result.
A simple thing taken through proper channels and the cop is screwed.
Now the situation is elevated to a point where it shouldn't have gone.
Common sense isn't common any more. It takes two to tango.
So having a badge gives you leeway to act boorish and push people around. Got it.
Tells me you are not nearly qualified to comment on Pink Floyd, not even taking into account that Sonic Youth is a punk band wannabe.
Which "guy" is it you detest in Pink Floyd? Pink or Floyd?
by the way! which one's Pink?
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You shouldn't have to act like a complete slave around a cop. You shouldn't be forced to do whatever the cop says when you know what the cop is saying is false.
I have respect for this guy who decided to not be a slave and fought for his rights. Sure the camera phone is what allowed him to act tough, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact it's absolutely awesome that we have camera phones that keep cops on a level playing field.
If a Cop is telling me I can't do something that I have every right to do, I should just listen to him no matter what?
This is the camera phone age. The cop simply has to be smarter. 99% of the blame in this situation goes to the dumbass Cop who couldn't admit he was wrong. Blaming the panhandler for being a part of the problem in this situation is just ridiculous.
You think it's worth it? Go for it. Ain't worth the hassle for me. Stopped getting into silly meaningless fights long ago.
But then again, that's why I carry. If some asshole refuses to drop it and backs me into a corner when I'm walking away, all bets are off.
The panhandler wasn't walking away when he had the opportunity to do it.
Many more options than a confrontation.
You want to sit in a jail cell till your proven right, go for it.
I am secure enough that I don't have to dig in my heals and argue in every situation even if I know I am right. If it really isn't a big deal the why make it one.
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this guy is full of himself because he decided to stand up for his rights and not let the Cop kick him out for no reason?
If a Cop is telling me I can't do something that I have every right to do, I should just listen to him no matter what?
This is the camera phone age. The cop simply has to be smarter. 99% of the blame in this situation goes to the dumbass Cop who couldn't admit he was wrong. Blaming the panhandler for being a part of the problem in this situation is just ridiculous.
You think it's worth it? Go for it. Ain't worth the hassle for me. Stopped getting into silly meaningless fights long ago.
But then again, that's why I carry. If some asshole refuses to drop it and backs me into a corner when I'm walking away, all bets are off.
The panhandler wasn't walking away when he had the opportunity to do it.
Many more options than a confrontation.
You want to sit in a jail cell till your proven right, go for it.
and you see nothing wrong with that logic. There may be a time where you decide what's right outweighs being worried about all the potential consequences for standing up.
I understand that Cops have unique pressure packed jobs. And I have respect for them and appreciate their role in society.
But some of the things they get away with just disgust me. The badge doesn't allow you to do whatever you want to do.
You guys are right that this kid could've just left when this cop asked and had a better day. But there's just something really sad about that.
Incredibly cringeworthy listening to a bunch of hipster yuppie twig douchebags chanting fuck tha poe lease.
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In comment 11936260 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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this guy is full of himself because he decided to stand up for his rights and not let the Cop kick him out for no reason?
If a Cop is telling me I can't do something that I have every right to do, I should just listen to him no matter what?
This is the camera phone age. The cop simply has to be smarter. 99% of the blame in this situation goes to the dumbass Cop who couldn't admit he was wrong. Blaming the panhandler for being a part of the problem in this situation is just ridiculous.
You think it's worth it? Go for it. Ain't worth the hassle for me. Stopped getting into silly meaningless fights long ago.
But then again, that's why I carry. If some asshole refuses to drop it and backs me into a corner when I'm walking away, all bets are off.
The panhandler wasn't walking away when he had the opportunity to do it.
Many more options than a confrontation.
You want to sit in a jail cell till your proven right, go for it.
and you see nothing wrong with that logic. There may be a time where you decide what's right outweighs being worried about all the potential consequences for standing up.
Of course, but you are missing the point. We are saying this situation wasn't a big deal not worth taking it to that level. Just acting immature at that point IMO.
I risked a lot more than this guy will ever face when I once chose to stand up to a corrupt police situation and believe me it wasn't and easy thing to go through. Yet because the situation warranted it I would do it again if faced with the same circumstances.
Tells me you are not nearly qualified to comment on Pink Floyd, not even taking into account that Sonic Youth is a punk band wannabe.
Which "guy" is it you detest in Pink Floyd? Pink or Floyd?
by the way! which one's Pink?
Dude, what the fuck are you rambling on about?
I don't fucking like Pink Floyd. Never really liked most classic rock save for a couple of exceptions (Television if you count them as classic rock, the Soft Machine, very select Led Zeppelin songs).
People have different taste. Get the fuck over it. One of my favorite bands is called The Dillinger Escape Plan. 99.99999999% of people on earth would hear it and think its unlistenable garbage. You think I give a fuck what they think?
So yes, Pink Floyd does fucking nothing for me. And that guy seemed like a mediocre musician to me.
Also, Sonic Youth is kind of whatever. Couple good albums here and there, mostly late 80s, and stringed throughout the 00s. i'm 25, I think I made this account when I was 15. WGAF? "wannabe punk" uh I guess. Maybe in the 80s. Most of their stuff is definitely not what I'd consider "punk" by today's standards.
Anyway, I don't get Steve's point either. It pretty much is the thinking of "it doesn't matter if I'm legally in the right, I should submit my rights to a cop cause he's a cop".
Goes pretty much against the fiber of what our country stands for.
Tells me you are not nearly qualified to comment on Pink Floyd, not even taking into account that Sonic Youth is a punk band wannabe.
Which "guy" is it you detest in Pink Floyd? Pink or Floyd?
by the way! which one's Pink?
Oh, and when I said "that guy" I was talking about the musician in the subway, you fucking obtuse motherfucker.
Incredibly cringeworthy listening to a bunch of hipster yuppie twig douchebags chanting fuck tha poe lease.
Yeah, uh, the guy was following the law. So in this case, the cop IGNORED the law.
Clearly you didn't watch the video and didn't see the part where the cop read, off of his phone, the clause that stated the guitar-guy was allowed to play in the subway.
So your post goes against exactly what you were trying to assert. Nice work there, chief.
Using a little wisdom and keeping things in there proper perspective instead of needlessly escalating them isn't un-American.
Using a little wisdom and keeping things in there proper perspective instead of needlessly escalating them isn't un-American.
The idea of completely surrendering your rights because an authority is being a dick to you isn't un-American?
Or worse, to stand up for something you have a legal right to do, watch an Officer read aloud that you have a legal right to do it, then still get arrested, thrown in jail, and forced to pay monetarily isn't un-American?
Guy does nothing wrong, cop tells him to stop. Guy points out what he is doing legal, cop comes and throws him in jail cause he feels like it.
Yeah, sounds like Liberty and Justice for all.
Also, if that camera phone wasn't rolling, you absolutely know that guy had no shot at fighting that ticket.
I'll say it again, the situation was simply not a big deal and taking the high road after having proven his point would probably have gone much further in changing the cops views on things than acting as he did.
Now if he showed up day after day and the same cop kept harassing him even after being made aware of the exception to the law then you have an entirely different situation. However if he had left after proving his point I seriously doubt he ever hears from that cop again and is left to sing as he chooses all rights intact and making the bigger impression on everyone involved.
Sometimes understanding the situation and how it relates to the bigger picture is more beneficial.
I'll say it again, the situation was simply not a big deal and taking the high road after having proven his point would probably have gone much further in changing the cops views on things than acting as he did.
Now if he showed up day after day and the same cop kept harassing him even after being made aware of the exception to the law then you have an entirely different situation. However if he had left after proving his point I seriously doubt he ever hears from that cop again and is left to sing as he chooses all rights intact and making the bigger impression on everyone involved.
Sometimes understanding the situation and how it relates to the bigger picture is more beneficial.
Do you honestly believe that by submitting and just leaving he was going to change that cop's mindset or opinion at all?
None of this is that guy's fault though, you said it yourself. He was within his rights and this is on the cop. The cop isn't enforcing the law, and is just fucking with people cause he's pissed off.
I get where you're coming from with the whole "is it worth it, turn the other cheek" mentality. And usually it makes sense in most encounters. But it's sad to think that people can get arrested for doing nothing illegal because a cop thought they were disrespectful.
Again, goes against the core tenants of the freedoms we are supposed to enjoy.
I'll say it again, the situation was simply not a big deal and taking the high road after having proven his point would probably have gone much further in changing the cops views on things than acting as he did.
Now if he showed up day after day and the same cop kept harassing him even after being made aware of the exception to the law then you have an entirely different situation. However if he had left after proving his point I seriously doubt he ever hears from that cop again and is left to sing as he chooses all rights intact and making the bigger impression on everyone involved.
Sometimes understanding the situation and how it relates to the bigger picture is more beneficial.
And I also don't see how drawing in a line in the sand has nothing to do with surrendering his rights. It's completely surrendering his rights. He's submitting his legal right to do something cause the cop felt the need to make his own rules as opposed to enforcing the ones in place.
That's the definition of giving up your rights.
If a situation warranted it I would probably be the first in line standing up to police wronging someone and as I mentioned in another post I have done so before and at much greater risk than this nonsense on the tape. The point is this situation isn't anything alarming. The cop made a mistake and he should have been secure enough to laugh it off and be on his way but since he wasn't how best deal with that one individual cop in that moment. It isn't about surrendering his rights just being the bigger man at that point understanding the cop was probably too embarrassed and insure to easily back down. Giving him that out isn't a horrible or weak thing to do but the more secure thing to do.
Like the old saying, know best when to pick your battles.
So, I guess it's Floyd then?
Didn't you post last week that you were just assigned to resurrect some fledgling sales company?
How fair is it to the men and women that are depending on you to save their lively hood that you're hanging out on BBI making no sense instead of developing ways to help them feed their families?
Just sayin...
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Simple as that.
Incredibly cringeworthy listening to a bunch of hipster yuppie twig douchebags chanting fuck tha poe lease.
Yeah, uh, the guy was following the law. So in this case, the cop IGNORED the law.
Clearly you didn't watch the video and didn't see the part where the cop read, off of his phone, the clause that stated the guitar-guy was allowed to play in the subway.
So your post goes against exactly what you were trying to assert. Nice work there, chief.
I was saying cops enforce the law, they don't make them. As in, cops shouldn't be making the laws as they go along and arrest people so they can keep their dick size in tact. Just enforce the laws that are made.
Aren't you the same blowjob that started some carney thread swearing you were going to win big? Fuck off, loser.
What is it that you do for a living that affords you the time to post?
So, I guess it's Floyd then?
Didn't you post last week that you were just assigned to resurrect some fledgling sales company?
How fair is it to the men and women that are depending on you to save their lively hood that you're hanging out on BBI making no sense instead of developing ways to help them feed their families?
Just sayin...
lol. What, at like 10 PM?
I worked at a Guitar Center back in the day. I sold a lot of shit to a lot of balding, middle aged men who wanted to relive their youth and pretend they were David Gilmour or Roger Waters, dipshit.
I don't like Pink Floyd or classic rock. Most 25 year olds don't. Get the sand outta your vagina over it, you fucking weirdo.
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Simple as that.
Incredibly cringeworthy listening to a bunch of hipster yuppie twig douchebags chanting fuck tha poe lease.
Yeah, uh, the guy was following the law. So in this case, the cop IGNORED the law.
Clearly you didn't watch the video and didn't see the part where the cop read, off of his phone, the clause that stated the guitar-guy was allowed to play in the subway.
So your post goes against exactly what you were trying to assert. Nice work there, chief.
I was saying cops enforce the law, they don't make them. As in, cops shouldn't be making the laws as they go along and arrest people so they can keep their dick size in tact. Just enforce the laws that are made.
Aren't you the same blowjob that started some carney thread swearing you were going to win big? Fuck off, loser.
oh yeah, makes perfect sense when coupled with the whole hipster dipshit next line. not my fault was so muddled and didn't accurately convey what you were thinking. whatever, at least you agree with me.
and loser =( you really got me with that one big guy =( that one hurts =( =( =(
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In comment 11936285 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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Simple as that.
Incredibly cringeworthy listening to a bunch of hipster yuppie twig douchebags chanting fuck tha poe lease.
Yeah, uh, the guy was following the law. So in this case, the cop IGNORED the law.
Clearly you didn't watch the video and didn't see the part where the cop read, off of his phone, the clause that stated the guitar-guy was allowed to play in the subway.
So your post goes against exactly what you were trying to assert. Nice work there, chief.
I was saying cops enforce the law, they don't make them. As in, cops shouldn't be making the laws as they go along and arrest people so they can keep their dick size in tact. Just enforce the laws that are made.
Aren't you the same blowjob that started some carney thread swearing you were going to win big? Fuck off, loser.
oh yeah, makes perfect sense when coupled with the whole hipster dipshit next line. not my fault was so muddled and didn't accurately convey what you were thinking. whatever, at least you agree with me.
and loser =( you really got me with that one big guy =( that one hurts =( =( =(
should read "your post was so muddled"...
seriously though. re-read your post and see how it comes off.
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Simple as that.
Incredibly cringeworthy listening to a bunch of hipster yuppie twig douchebags chanting fuck tha poe lease.
Yeah, uh, the guy was following the law. So in this case, the cop IGNORED the law.
Clearly you didn't watch the video and didn't see the part where the cop read, off of his phone, the clause that stated the guitar-guy was allowed to play in the subway.
So your post goes against exactly what you were trying to assert. Nice work there, chief.
I was saying cops enforce the law, they don't make them. As in, cops shouldn't be making the laws as they go along and arrest people so they can keep their dick size in tact. Just enforce the laws that are made.
Aren't you the same blowjob that started some carney thread swearing you were going to win big? Fuck off, loser.
btw, that was me. it wasn't a carnival, it was in the middle of nyc. and i really don't give a fuck about it.
"Not my fault was so muddled" is superb irony by the way.
Makes you irrelevant. Where do you think your replacement music came from?
Steve, I'm returning fire from previous encounters. Just thought the fact he started a thread asking for help promoting himself as a "savior" for the company he had been assigned to was fair game. Post it got to be it, right? Pics or GTFO.
He chose to engage me, his mistake...
okay, so if you can see how it comes off, why don't you just fucking say "that's not what I meant" instead of pulling some irrelevant garbage thread from like 6 months ago out of your ass in some effort to prove your 'internet superiority brah' over me.
cause when you re-read your posts, it seems you can tell it comes off a different way.
or, you know, you can continue being a condescending dickhead.
btw i have no fucking shame about that carnival game. i didn't twiddle my dick going to carnivals while growing up. if i burned a couple hundred bucks while drunk and having fun at a street fair, i really don't give a shit. but okay, carry on and proceed as if it has anything to do with the fact that your post came off completely different than what you intended....
Makes you irrelevant. Where do you think your replacement music came from?
Steve, I'm returning fire from previous encounters. Just thought the fact he started a thread asking for help promoting himself as a "savior" for the company he had been assigned to was fair game. Post it got to be it, right? Pics or GTFO.
He chose to engage me, his mistake...
what are you, a fucking moron? i was asking for help linking up salesforce and quickbooks. yeah i sure was stroking my dick and promoting myself over in that thread! i've literally come to BBI to get sales related advice in the past (in fact from steve in KY himself) so you can honestly go fuck yourself.
i have no idea what the fuck "engagement" you're referring to. you must have a truly pathetic life to start creating fights with strangers and pretending people on the internet give two shits about you.
plus, i have no clue what you mean by replacement music. are you serious mad that people have different tastes in music? CAN'T SPELL CRAP WITHOUT RAP, AMIRITE FOLKS?
like i said before, you're one sad fucking weirdo. you need a life dude.
We see more than one. That's just a fact.
To be fair though, it is Metropolitan ave and looks like the L train subway station (I think)... probably a couple hipsters in there. Not sure about yuppies though. I always kind of considered yuppies and hipsters to be opposites.
That's not what I meant.
Calling someone yuppies = self loathing. Got it.
I don't hate them. I just find it incredibly awkward when they are chanting fuck the police. At least half of those people went to private school. Stop the nonsense.
I remember everything.
Carry on Sonic, I'm sure you're a decent guy. If you don't recall the pile on, no need for me to take it personally.
One word of advice though, if you're actually in sales, those balding middle aged guys trying to relive their youth usually have more expendable cash than the 25 year old sect.
Just sayin...
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You are ridiculous.
Shit, you got another 20 years before you have any clue what life is all about.
Keep your head down, work hard, save your money. The harder you work now, the less you need to work later.
Party after 40 with a nice bank account, you ain't gonna miss anything now you can't catch up on later.
You got balls AGF, use them in the right place.
My left ball itches, scratch that for me would ya?
Ah, that's it...
My opinion? They were a little testy without their double shot mocha frap venti. Fuck the police chants pouring in were just a byproduct of the root cause.
You know, for someone so against projecting and false accusing, you don't really mind doing it yourself. So far I'm a self-loathing bitter old man. What else do you have in your bag of tricks?
Will do, Rocky.
If the majority of BBI agrees with you, you're wrong.
Proof you say?
Cats, Survivor, Beyoncé, Eli sucks, Obama
It's in the pudding...
What was his first handle?
Just as an aside, I've done more for more BBIers in person than you've talked to on this site.
So basically you have no idea what you are talking about, Thanks for scratching the itch though...
I remember everything.
Carry on Sonic, I'm sure you're a decent guy. If you don't recall the pile on, no need for me to take it personally.
One word of advice though, if you're actually in sales, those balding middle aged guys trying to relive their youth usually have more expendable cash than the 25 year old sect.
Just sayin...
pile on? i've come to BBI at times when I was worried sick about losing my previous job and gotten help from the sales guys here. but yea, I'm all about stroking my ego in a thread as dry as linking a CRM with accounting software.
and i don't sell to consumers. I sell b2b.
like i said, you're a sad, old weirdo. you invent internet fights with people, think people give a shit about you, and for some reason get mad when people don't listen to bands that were big 15 years before they were born.
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is a matter of when, not if. You're actually a bigger piece of shit now than you were during your first go around here.
What was his first handle?
His handle was the same before.
no idea if you left me out intentionally to imply that I am a troll, but i have never at any point taken a contentious point to simply get a rise or fuck with people on this board, which is what a troll essentially does.
maybe you don't agree with my opinions (probably goes back to some mike brown thread or some bullshit) but I don't come to this board and try to bait people/instigate people into having retarded arguments i.e rocky thompson.
Misguided, but perhaps Steve was right. I respect Steve and apologize if I was too harsh. I'll ignore your little personal jabs and wish you the best in your endeavors. I wish no harm to anyone I argue with ( well,no harm to most of the people I argue with). My fault for not recognizing who I was talking to, you seemed like a veteran to me with your knowledge of Rutgers football.
Bright future, good luck...
Mike in Long Beach is irrelevant. A true pile oner, actually a scout for the sheep. Ignore him, he's nobody.
AGF, I am and have always been rocky thompson, I was banned because I hate Yankee fans.
I go further back on this board than just about anyone that's wasn't part of Pete's Corner originally. Hung with posters at camp, welcomed a few into my home and visited others.met my wife at training camp, had my wedding picture posted on the front page. Drove from North Carolina to tailgate with BBI friends and didn't even go to the game.
Most of the people I hung with don't post anymore because the idiots have taken over. The mob mentality has scared most of the intelligent posters off, well, maybe not scared them off but they just don't bother anymore. I won't relinquish what was once a good place. The mob doesn't like me, I don't care, if this was a bar, I guarantee you there wouldn't be as many so willing to jump on the pile.
It all boils down to Yankee fans which I will no longer discuss just thought you should know the truth...