he cited to the rules and regulations that permitted him to do what he was doing, the police officer read the rules out loud, and the officer used his discretion to ignore the law.
For my money law enforcement officers are given too much leeway and qualified immunity operates to assure them that they can never be held personally culpable for their actions.
In that regard, early, pre exclusionary rule 4th amendment jurisprudence stood for the proposition that if the police violated the constitution in executing an unlawful search and seizure the citizen could vindicate his rights in a civil action against the police force in general and, specifically, the officer in question.
This fucking shitstain should lose his job for this. It's not acceptable and it's not fair that these guys get away with treating innocent people like criminals.
Can't believe the cop allowed himself to be so distracted
The cop got that part wrong. I was going to say it was, however to solicit "tips" as it is considered panhandling. But, the excerpt of the law included expressly says accepting of donations for artistic performances is permitted.
Segment of BBI can't admit any wrongdoing and can merely drop a snide remark.
Surprise, surprise.
I can't stand Pink Floyd and that guys music does nothing for me. But holy shit, a cop reads out loud a clause that proves he isn't breaking the law, and arrests + harrasses him anyway.
And of course, somebody on BBI is all HURRR DURRR PROLLY A RUSE TO TRICK DEM ANTI-COP HIPSTERS.
I wonder if you guys could chime in about that cop in Spotswood, NJ who was caught on camera saying he doesn't give a shit about the constitution and doesn't have to follow it bc Obama doesn't. Of course, the town legislature banned filming inside of a police station, cause you know, that's the egregious part.
Segment of BBI can't admit any wrongdoing and can merely drop a snide remark.
Surprise, surprise.
I can't stand Pink Floyd and that guys music does nothing for me. But holy shit, a cop reads out loud a clause that proves he isn't breaking the law, and arrests + harrasses him anyway.
And of course, somebody on BBI is all HURRR DURRR PROLLY A RUSE TO TRICK DEM ANTI-COP HIPSTERS.
I wonder if you guys could chime in about that cop in Spotswood, NJ who was caught on camera saying he doesn't give a shit about the constitution and doesn't have to follow it bc Obama doesn't. Of course, the town legislature banned filming inside of a police station, cause you know, that's the egregious part.
Anyone got any hot takes on that one?
You may be taking the value of a post on a football message board a teensy bit too seriously...
and was likely embarrassed at that point and dug in his heals. Would have been wiser to just laugh it off and move on at that point.
However the guy was just as small minded about it all and should have simply left when originally asked to. He seemed to be enjoying the attention his "moment" was gaining him and was probably hoping the publicity help his career.
Basically two individuals expending way too much energy over something not worth doing so for and both thinking themselves and the situation much more important than either really are.
The only ones I felt sorry for were the other officers that were called into the situation and had to waste their time supporting the other officer. I'm sure each one of them had better things to do with their time.
and the cop was still ordering him to leave he should have simply complied. The situation simply wasn't worth arguing about at that point. He could leave and easily come back the next day and I doubt ever get bother about it again. Sometimes using a little wisdom and maturity when making decisions is better than continue to argue with certain people in certain situations.
RE: Steve basically saying we should just do whatever the cop says
No, I am saying some situation don't warrant acting like he did. I have stood up to police wrong doing in situations before, but when I did the situation warranted it. This one didn't.
this guy is full of himself because he decided to stand up for his rights and not let the Cop kick him out for no reason?
If a Cop is telling me I can't do something that I have every right to do, I should just listen to him no matter what?
This is the camera phone age. The cop simply has to be smarter. 99% of the blame in this situation goes to the dumbass Cop who couldn't admit he was wrong. Blaming the panhandler for being a part of the problem in this situation is just ridiculous.
RE: RE: Steve basically saying we should just do whatever the cop says
You shouldn't have to act like a complete slave around a cop. You shouldn't be forced to do whatever the cop says when you know what the cop is saying is false.
I have respect for this guy who decided to not be a slave and fought for his rights. Sure the camera phone is what allowed him to act tough, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact it's absolutely awesome that we have camera phones that keep cops on a level playing field.
As much as I can live without the live performances in subway stations
a lot of people seem to enjoy it from the money in their guitar cases. The cop should realize he was in the NYC subway and not in Mayberry. If guys like the Naked Cowboy can play the streets, why harass a guy in the subway? This is NYC and that is all part of the deal
this guy is full of himself because he decided to stand up for his rights and not let the Cop kick him out for no reason?
If a Cop is telling me I can't do something that I have every right to do, I should just listen to him no matter what?
This is the camera phone age. The cop simply has to be smarter. 99% of the blame in this situation goes to the dumbass Cop who couldn't admit he was wrong. Blaming the panhandler for being a part of the problem in this situation is just ridiculous.
You think it's worth it? Go for it. Ain't worth the hassle for me. Stopped getting into silly meaningless fights long ago.
But then again, that's why I carry. If some asshole refuses to drop it and backs me into a corner when I'm walking away, all bets are off.
The panhandler wasn't walking away when he had the opportunity to do it.
Many more options than a confrontation.
You want to sit in a jail cell till your proven right, go for it.
was how the cop was wrong and it never should have gotten to that point. But the reality is that it did so then how best to deal with it? Putting things in proper perspective is a good place to start. If I know I am right about something but it isn't that big of a deal I then have the choice to continue to argue and try and embarrass the police officer who obviously was too insecure to handle being publicly shown to be wrong or simply drop it at that point and take the high road. Understanding that policeman have hard jobs to do and simply being courteous to another person in what is a small disagreement I would choose to take the high road instead of escalating the situation.
I am secure enough that I don't have to dig in my heals and argue in every situation even if I know I am right. If it really isn't a big deal the why make it one.
this guy is full of himself because he decided to stand up for his rights and not let the Cop kick him out for no reason?
If a Cop is telling me I can't do something that I have every right to do, I should just listen to him no matter what?
This is the camera phone age. The cop simply has to be smarter. 99% of the blame in this situation goes to the dumbass Cop who couldn't admit he was wrong. Blaming the panhandler for being a part of the problem in this situation is just ridiculous.
You think it's worth it? Go for it. Ain't worth the hassle for me. Stopped getting into silly meaningless fights long ago.
But then again, that's why I carry. If some asshole refuses to drop it and backs me into a corner when I'm walking away, all bets are off.
The panhandler wasn't walking away when he had the opportunity to do it.
Many more options than a confrontation.
You want to sit in a jail cell till your proven right, go for it.
and you see nothing wrong with that logic. There may be a time where you decide what's right outweighs being worried about all the potential consequences for standing up.
this guy is full of himself because he decided to stand up for his rights and not let the Cop kick him out for no reason?
If a Cop is telling me I can't do something that I have every right to do, I should just listen to him no matter what?
This is the camera phone age. The cop simply has to be smarter. 99% of the blame in this situation goes to the dumbass Cop who couldn't admit he was wrong. Blaming the panhandler for being a part of the problem in this situation is just ridiculous.
You think it's worth it? Go for it. Ain't worth the hassle for me. Stopped getting into silly meaningless fights long ago.
But then again, that's why I carry. If some asshole refuses to drop it and backs me into a corner when I'm walking away, all bets are off.
The panhandler wasn't walking away when he had the opportunity to do it.
Many more options than a confrontation.
You want to sit in a jail cell till your proven right, go for it.
and you see nothing wrong with that logic. There may be a time where you decide what's right outweighs being worried about all the potential consequences for standing up.
Of course, but you are missing the point. We are saying this situation wasn't a big deal not worth taking it to that level. Just acting immature at that point IMO.
I risked a lot more than this guy will ever face when I once chose to stand up to a corrupt police situation and believe me it wasn't and easy thing to go through. Yet because the situation warranted it I would do it again if faced with the same circumstances.
Can't stand Pink Floyd but "that guy's" music does nothing for you.
Tells me you are not nearly qualified to comment on Pink Floyd, not even taking into account that Sonic Youth is a punk band wannabe.
Which "guy" is it you detest in Pink Floyd? Pink or Floyd?
by the way! which one's Pink?
Dude, what the fuck are you rambling on about?
I don't fucking like Pink Floyd. Never really liked most classic rock save for a couple of exceptions (Television if you count them as classic rock, the Soft Machine, very select Led Zeppelin songs).
People have different taste. Get the fuck over it. One of my favorite bands is called The Dillinger Escape Plan. 99.99999999% of people on earth would hear it and think its unlistenable garbage. You think I give a fuck what they think?
So yes, Pink Floyd does fucking nothing for me. And that guy seemed like a mediocre musician to me.
Also, Sonic Youth is kind of whatever. Couple good albums here and there, mostly late 80s, and stringed throughout the 00s. i'm 25, I think I made this account when I was 15. WGAF? "wannabe punk" uh I guess. Maybe in the 80s. Most of their stuff is definitely not what I'd consider "punk" by today's standards.
Anyway, I don't get Steve's point either. It pretty much is the thinking of "it doesn't matter if I'm legally in the right, I should submit my rights to a cop cause he's a cop".
Goes pretty much against the fiber of what our country stands for.
Incredibly cringeworthy listening to a bunch of hipster yuppie twig douchebags chanting fuck tha poe lease.
Yeah, uh, the guy was following the law. So in this case, the cop IGNORED the law.
Clearly you didn't watch the video and didn't see the part where the cop read, off of his phone, the clause that stated the guitar-guy was allowed to play in the subway.
So your post goes against exactly what you were trying to assert. Nice work there, chief.
How exactly does choosing to not make it a bigger deal than needs be
and coming back again the next day to continue business as usual go against the fiber of what our country stands for?
Using a little wisdom and keeping things in there proper perspective instead of needlessly escalating them isn't un-American.
The idea of completely surrendering your rights because an authority is being a dick to you isn't un-American?
Or worse, to stand up for something you have a legal right to do, watch an Officer read aloud that you have a legal right to do it, then still get arrested, thrown in jail, and forced to pay monetarily isn't un-American?
Guy does nothing wrong, cop tells him to stop. Guy points out what he is doing legal, cop comes and throws him in jail cause he feels like it.
Yeah, sounds like Liberty and Justice for all.
Also, if that camera phone wasn't rolling, you absolutely know that guy had no shot at fighting that ticket.
That the dipshit filming was more focused on the battle of nitwits and not the chicken in the short leather skirt - whom he simply pushes out of the frame - lest he miss some genius constitutional argument over bad singing.
For my money law enforcement officers are given too much leeway and qualified immunity operates to assure them that they can never be held personally culpable for their actions.
In that regard, early, pre exclusionary rule 4th amendment jurisprudence stood for the proposition that if the police violated the constitution in executing an unlawful search and seizure the citizen could vindicate his rights in a civil action against the police force in general and, specifically, the officer in question.
What ever happened to that paradigm?
What a country. The rule of law my ass.
It's like Mike Francesa in a cop uniform.
Finally, some quality police work.
That's pretty good.
But there isn't. That's the whole point...
The legislature/council should make a law then. It's not the police's job to start making stuff up because some guy annoys them.
These 2 mountebanks probably pimp this ruse from station to station, taking the anti-establishment hipsters for fools.
Homeboy should belt out a more apropos tune.
And you wounder why 50,000 NY'ers are moving to Fla every year. Never mind the others fleeing to other states.:)
Segment of BBI can't admit any wrongdoing and can merely drop a snide remark.
Surprise, surprise.
I can't stand Pink Floyd and that guys music does nothing for me. But holy shit, a cop reads out loud a clause that proves he isn't breaking the law, and arrests + harrasses him anyway.
And of course, somebody on BBI is all HURRR DURRR PROLLY A RUSE TO TRICK DEM ANTI-COP HIPSTERS.
I wonder if you guys could chime in about that cop in Spotswood, NJ who was caught on camera saying he doesn't give a shit about the constitution and doesn't have to follow it bc Obama doesn't. Of course, the town legislature banned filming inside of a police station, cause you know, that's the egregious part.
Anyone got any hot takes on that one?
Everyone moving to Alaska?
About the only one left that basically doesn't give a shit as long as nobody kills each other.
Can't get more common sense than that.
Segment of BBI can't admit any wrongdoing and can merely drop a snide remark.
Surprise, surprise.
I can't stand Pink Floyd and that guys music does nothing for me. But holy shit, a cop reads out loud a clause that proves he isn't breaking the law, and arrests + harrasses him anyway.
And of course, somebody on BBI is all HURRR DURRR PROLLY A RUSE TO TRICK DEM ANTI-COP HIPSTERS.
I wonder if you guys could chime in about that cop in Spotswood, NJ who was caught on camera saying he doesn't give a shit about the constitution and doesn't have to follow it bc Obama doesn't. Of course, the town legislature banned filming inside of a police station, cause you know, that's the egregious part.
Anyone got any hot takes on that one?
You may be taking the value of a post on a football message board a teensy bit too seriously...
However the guy was just as small minded about it all and should have simply left when originally asked to. He seemed to be enjoying the attention his "moment" was gaining him and was probably hoping the publicity help his career.
Basically two individuals expending way too much energy over something not worth doing so for and both thinking themselves and the situation much more important than either really are.
The only ones I felt sorry for were the other officers that were called into the situation and had to waste their time supporting the other officer. I'm sure each one of them had better things to do with their time.
The guy should just leave because a dumb Cop tells him to for no reason whatsoever?
A Cop can't do whatever the fuck he wants. And this guy shouldn't be forced to leave just because the Cop tells him.
No. It's everyone has to be confrontational Human nature. Gte pushed you push back.
This is the result.
A simple thing taken through proper channels and the cop is screwed.
Now the situation is elevated to a point where it shouldn't have gone.
Common sense isn't common any more. It takes two to tango.
If a Cop is telling me I can't do something that I have every right to do, I should just listen to him no matter what?
This is the camera phone age. The cop simply has to be smarter. 99% of the blame in this situation goes to the dumbass Cop who couldn't admit he was wrong. Blaming the panhandler for being a part of the problem in this situation is just ridiculous.
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because he's a cop.
No. It's everyone has to be confrontational Human nature. Gte pushed you push back.
This is the result.
A simple thing taken through proper channels and the cop is screwed.
Now the situation is elevated to a point where it shouldn't have gone.
Common sense isn't common any more. It takes two to tango.
So having a badge gives you leeway to act boorish and push people around. Got it.
Tells me you are not nearly qualified to comment on Pink Floyd, not even taking into account that Sonic Youth is a punk band wannabe.
Which "guy" is it you detest in Pink Floyd? Pink or Floyd?
by the way! which one's Pink?
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You shouldn't have to act like a complete slave around a cop. You shouldn't be forced to do whatever the cop says when you know what the cop is saying is false.
I have respect for this guy who decided to not be a slave and fought for his rights. Sure the camera phone is what allowed him to act tough, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact it's absolutely awesome that we have camera phones that keep cops on a level playing field.
If a Cop is telling me I can't do something that I have every right to do, I should just listen to him no matter what?
This is the camera phone age. The cop simply has to be smarter. 99% of the blame in this situation goes to the dumbass Cop who couldn't admit he was wrong. Blaming the panhandler for being a part of the problem in this situation is just ridiculous.
You think it's worth it? Go for it. Ain't worth the hassle for me. Stopped getting into silly meaningless fights long ago.
But then again, that's why I carry. If some asshole refuses to drop it and backs me into a corner when I'm walking away, all bets are off.
The panhandler wasn't walking away when he had the opportunity to do it.
Many more options than a confrontation.
You want to sit in a jail cell till your proven right, go for it.
I am secure enough that I don't have to dig in my heals and argue in every situation even if I know I am right. If it really isn't a big deal the why make it one.
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this guy is full of himself because he decided to stand up for his rights and not let the Cop kick him out for no reason?
If a Cop is telling me I can't do something that I have every right to do, I should just listen to him no matter what?
This is the camera phone age. The cop simply has to be smarter. 99% of the blame in this situation goes to the dumbass Cop who couldn't admit he was wrong. Blaming the panhandler for being a part of the problem in this situation is just ridiculous.
You think it's worth it? Go for it. Ain't worth the hassle for me. Stopped getting into silly meaningless fights long ago.
But then again, that's why I carry. If some asshole refuses to drop it and backs me into a corner when I'm walking away, all bets are off.
The panhandler wasn't walking away when he had the opportunity to do it.
Many more options than a confrontation.
You want to sit in a jail cell till your proven right, go for it.
and you see nothing wrong with that logic. There may be a time where you decide what's right outweighs being worried about all the potential consequences for standing up.
I understand that Cops have unique pressure packed jobs. And I have respect for them and appreciate their role in society.
But some of the things they get away with just disgust me. The badge doesn't allow you to do whatever you want to do.
You guys are right that this kid could've just left when this cop asked and had a better day. But there's just something really sad about that.
Incredibly cringeworthy listening to a bunch of hipster yuppie twig douchebags chanting fuck tha poe lease.
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this guy is full of himself because he decided to stand up for his rights and not let the Cop kick him out for no reason?
If a Cop is telling me I can't do something that I have every right to do, I should just listen to him no matter what?
This is the camera phone age. The cop simply has to be smarter. 99% of the blame in this situation goes to the dumbass Cop who couldn't admit he was wrong. Blaming the panhandler for being a part of the problem in this situation is just ridiculous.
You think it's worth it? Go for it. Ain't worth the hassle for me. Stopped getting into silly meaningless fights long ago.
But then again, that's why I carry. If some asshole refuses to drop it and backs me into a corner when I'm walking away, all bets are off.
The panhandler wasn't walking away when he had the opportunity to do it.
Many more options than a confrontation.
You want to sit in a jail cell till your proven right, go for it.
and you see nothing wrong with that logic. There may be a time where you decide what's right outweighs being worried about all the potential consequences for standing up.
Of course, but you are missing the point. We are saying this situation wasn't a big deal not worth taking it to that level. Just acting immature at that point IMO.
I risked a lot more than this guy will ever face when I once chose to stand up to a corrupt police situation and believe me it wasn't and easy thing to go through. Yet because the situation warranted it I would do it again if faced with the same circumstances.
Tells me you are not nearly qualified to comment on Pink Floyd, not even taking into account that Sonic Youth is a punk band wannabe.
Which "guy" is it you detest in Pink Floyd? Pink or Floyd?
by the way! which one's Pink?
Dude, what the fuck are you rambling on about?
I don't fucking like Pink Floyd. Never really liked most classic rock save for a couple of exceptions (Television if you count them as classic rock, the Soft Machine, very select Led Zeppelin songs).
People have different taste. Get the fuck over it. One of my favorite bands is called The Dillinger Escape Plan. 99.99999999% of people on earth would hear it and think its unlistenable garbage. You think I give a fuck what they think?
So yes, Pink Floyd does fucking nothing for me. And that guy seemed like a mediocre musician to me.
Also, Sonic Youth is kind of whatever. Couple good albums here and there, mostly late 80s, and stringed throughout the 00s. i'm 25, I think I made this account when I was 15. WGAF? "wannabe punk" uh I guess. Maybe in the 80s. Most of their stuff is definitely not what I'd consider "punk" by today's standards.
Anyway, I don't get Steve's point either. It pretty much is the thinking of "it doesn't matter if I'm legally in the right, I should submit my rights to a cop cause he's a cop".
Goes pretty much against the fiber of what our country stands for.
Tells me you are not nearly qualified to comment on Pink Floyd, not even taking into account that Sonic Youth is a punk band wannabe.
Which "guy" is it you detest in Pink Floyd? Pink or Floyd?
by the way! which one's Pink?
Oh, and when I said "that guy" I was talking about the musician in the subway, you fucking obtuse motherfucker.
Incredibly cringeworthy listening to a bunch of hipster yuppie twig douchebags chanting fuck tha poe lease.
Yeah, uh, the guy was following the law. So in this case, the cop IGNORED the law.
Clearly you didn't watch the video and didn't see the part where the cop read, off of his phone, the clause that stated the guitar-guy was allowed to play in the subway.
So your post goes against exactly what you were trying to assert. Nice work there, chief.
Using a little wisdom and keeping things in there proper perspective instead of needlessly escalating them isn't un-American.
Using a little wisdom and keeping things in there proper perspective instead of needlessly escalating them isn't un-American.
The idea of completely surrendering your rights because an authority is being a dick to you isn't un-American?
Or worse, to stand up for something you have a legal right to do, watch an Officer read aloud that you have a legal right to do it, then still get arrested, thrown in jail, and forced to pay monetarily isn't un-American?
Guy does nothing wrong, cop tells him to stop. Guy points out what he is doing legal, cop comes and throws him in jail cause he feels like it.
Yeah, sounds like Liberty and Justice for all.
Also, if that camera phone wasn't rolling, you absolutely know that guy had no shot at fighting that ticket.