I was in 2011 at the thought of Eli, Cruz, Nicks and JPP being the foundation for the next few years. How quickly things change. Nicks gone. Cruz in serious jeopardy. JPP maybe on his way out. Sucks.
With his feet the way they were I would have never guess his career would have flourished like this in Indy. He's one of my all time favorite Giants so I have no ill will toward the guy. As a matter of fact, I thought the Giants were right to get rid of him before his body broke down. He obviously proved me wrong.
whats the point of continuing to kick this guy around
does it make you feel better.. he is 25-26 years old has millions of dollars and a Super Bowl ring.. you guys spend far too much time on this kind of drama..
guy was a beast in 2011 and a major reason we hoisted a second SB in 2011. he and bradshaw deserve applause in 12 days.
as far as last years 'effort' - dont condone it but also recognize we had a bad, flawed team last year regardless. dont see honor in 7-9 vs 4-12 bad is bad.
plus its apparent watching him this year that his physical skillset has taken its toll. what some saw as lazy last year may have in fact been decline in talent level.
Dr. Robert Anderson, who performed foot surgery on a Jones fracture that was repaired with a screw in late May 2012, wrote to teams that a recent MRI provided no discernible ankle or foot problems that would prohibit Nicks from resuming an active career.
Dr. James Andrews also wrote a hearty endorsement related to Nicks' PCL surgery in February 2013 for a left knee injury he suffered in September 2012. Andrews declared Nicks' knee to be "completely healed" and does not have "any hesitation" in recommending teams to consider him.
He doesn't look nearly as fast or athletic as he did a few years ago. I'd be fairly surprised if there was nothing physically wrong with him.
The alternative is that he's just not trying anymore. I don't know if I buy that. He's been almost a complete non factor in Indy and this is a guy who looked like he had a chance to be the best WR to ever wear a Giants uniform just 2 years ago.
States he has been passed on the depth chart and has not been playing well for the past couple of weeks. Not sure what is going on, but he has not improved from last season or so it seems
has his body unraveled? His injuries were never reported to be that serious.
Have you seen him play recently? Including last year?
He gets zero separation anymore. He might be in the best shape, but he has lost his topend speed, which was never really top end to begin with. Now that it's gone, hes neither got the height or super strength to outmuscle guys.
There's a reason why he doesnt even see the field unless the play has 3 WRs.
Look at Kenny Phillips. He played well enough his last year here, but the truth was that he probably never practiced away from the media and everyone knew that his knee was done.
Nicks had that weird compartmentalization issue with his leg. And he was dogged by knee issues in successive years.
I've watched him this year, dont know if Eric has (unlikely). Nicks when he sees the field has zero downfield speed, no burst. It's like he totally lost third gear.
Look at Kenny Phillips. He played well enough his last year here, but the truth was that he probably never practiced away from the media and everyone knew that his knee was done.
Nicks had that weird compartmentalization issue with his leg. And he was dogged by knee issues in successive years.
I've watched him this year, dont know if Eric has (unlikely). Nicks when he sees the field has zero downfield speed, no burst. It's like he totally lost third gear.
I don't see how anyone not intimately aware of Nicks himself can say with authority that it is purely physical or purely mental or a combination of the two.
He reputedly showed up to the Colts' preseason in poor shape and was criticized publicly by their coaches Maybe he just refuses to put in the effort to rehab himself back to 2011 shape?
I recall a video of TC exhorting Nicks during his rookie training camp to produce every game like his unreal Meinike bowl performance for North Carolina. Add that to reports that Nicks ballooned 10-15 lbs in just a few weeks after he pulled a hammy at the combine. And then rumors that Nicks was considered a locker room cancer with the Giants - which may have been simply FO PR to prep fans that he was not getting any resigning offer.
There's a fascinating story maybe behind Nicks' decline but I guess no one is going to dig it up until maybe Nicks himself, short of money, decides to write a kiss and tell autobiography.
Nicks has been saddled with a variety of lower leg injuries. The broken foot and knee issues aren't what has caused him the biggest problems. He's still got lingering effects from the compartment syndrome he suffered.
In effect, the pressure builds up in the "compartment", which in this case was Nicks lower leg, and that sustained pressure can result in muscle and nerve damage. The reports I've heard say that Nicks has experienced a loss of sensation at time and that it will be unlikely for him to regain the speed because his legs are more of a chronic condition than an acute one.
It's not like he was paralyzed, which can happen in extreme cases of compartment syndrome, but when a player loses just a little bit of speed, it can make them go from elite to pedestrian very quickly. That's the main issue with Nicks now.
guy was a beast in 2011 and a major reason we hoisted a second SB in 2011. he and bradshaw deserve applause in 12 days.
as far as last years 'effort' - dont condone it but also recognize we had a bad, flawed team last year regardless. dont see honor in 7-9 vs 4-12 bad is bad.
plus its apparent watching him this year that his physical skillset has taken its toll. what some saw as lazy last year may have in fact been decline in talent level.
let it go.
Completely agreed. He really should have held out after 2011 for a fat contract extension.
and started lighting it up, then you'd wonder whether he was holding out and making a 'business decision' here.
From the looks of it, though - the guy's just cooked. He was a great player for us, and sadly another one that seems to have had his career greatly shortened due to injury. I'm also grateful for the time he spent here, and I hope that he can get it together somehow and still be productive in the league.
His status as a great player is a BBI legend. When he is done he will be considered just another mid to good WR(if he isn't already). As I have said in previous posts, and been flamed for it, his stats mirror Earnest Gray from the early 70's. They actually remind of each other too.
His status as a great player is a BBI legend. When he is done he will be considered just another mid to good WR(if he isn't already). As I have said in previous posts, and been flamed for it, his stats mirror Earnest Gray from the early 70's. They actually remind of each other too.
I hate to talk this way, but if you think that Earnest Gray was anywhere near the player that Nicks was, then you have absolutely no clue what you are watching.
RE: Why should there be a lot of posts about a guy
It's called a discussion board for a reason. Don't like the discussion, stfu. I love how everyone questions the validity of a topic. If you don't like it, ignore it.
It's called a discussion board for a reason. Don't like the discussion, stfu. I love how everyone questions the validity of a topic. If you don't like it, ignore it.
I think Peter was referring to the opening post saying that he was surprised there was no posts about Nicks. Sure people can discuss it but I tend to be in that camp too, when a player moves on to a new team, I move on also.
Loved you when you were here, loved what you contributed in our run up to the Super Bowl and in the Super Bowl. What I didn't like was the shot you took at Eli on the way out, okay maybe you were pissed that the Giants didn't make an attempt to keep you. Let's compare how you're doing with the Colts with our 1st. round pick OBJ.
You with that QB Andrew Luck who's really good
7 games, 17 recep, 141 yds, 8.3 ypc, 2 td's.
OBJ with Ole Eli
3 games 10 recept. 106 yrds 10.6 ypc and 3 TD's
OBJ fast as lightning, healthy now and going all out. It's understood that you were hurting and "at times" gave it your all, but it was time, and right to move on!
I miss you for all that you've done for this team, but you've been replaced!
but Nicks was on pace to shatter offensive records here, and put up impressive stats compared to the rest of the NFL as well. Had they remained healthy and together, that trio of Nicks/Cruz/Manningham would have been something to watch, longer term.
That's why I laugh when people say the team's been without talent for years. OK, Reese has his flaws, and the last 2-3 drafts have been a little bare, but the guy has brought some great players here. What's unfortunate is how many of them did not last long enough to make a bigger impact.
Gray sucked. Hands of Stone. And a stupid player to boot.
Loved you when you were here, loved what you contributed in our run up to the Super Bowl and in the Super Bowl. What I didn't like was the shot you took at Eli on the way out, okay maybe you were pissed that the Giants didn't make an attempt to keep you. Let's compare how you're doing with the Colts with our 1st. round pick OBJ.
People overreacted to the quote about being dangerous with other QBs. All he was doing was talking up his new QB/potential new QB and promoting himself as FA.
It wasn't at all shot at Manning, who Nicks went on about being the one to teach him "everything he knew" before the preseason game against the Colts.
Nicks at his best was better than Gray, but Simms once said of Gray,
It's called a discussion board for a reason. Don't like the discussion, stfu. I love how everyone questions the validity of a topic. If you don't like it, ignore it.
I love how people are too stupid to read the OP and understand that my post was in response to it. Perhaps you should get someone to explain it to you or just stfu yourself.
now AB and Nicks will get theirs...I might just pick up Nicks for Week 9 alone...no doubt Perry Futile will allow it to happen.
This is pretty dumb, Giants track record is pretty good in terms of letting go of players that don't have much left. You don't see that many Giants leave in FA and have big time post Giants careers.
The idea of a "chase blackburn revenge tour' is hysterical
What's the bet?
as far as last years 'effort' - dont condone it but also recognize we had a bad, flawed team last year regardless. dont see honor in 7-9 vs 4-12 bad is bad.
plus its apparent watching him this year that his physical skillset has taken its toll. what some saw as lazy last year may have in fact been decline in talent level.
let it go.
Dr. James Andrews also wrote a hearty endorsement related to Nicks' PCL surgery in February 2013 for a left knee injury he suffered in September 2012. Andrews declared Nicks' knee to be "completely healed" and does not have "any hesitation" in recommending teams to consider him.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/10574029/hakeem-nicks-sends-letters-doctors-clearing-2014 - ( New Window )
The alternative is that he's just not trying anymore. I don't know if I buy that. He's been almost a complete non factor in Indy and this is a guy who looked like he had a chance to be the best WR to ever wear a Giants uniform just 2 years ago.
Barry Cofield got his...
Chase Blackburn got his...
Pope got his day...
now AB and Nicks will get theirs...I might just pick up Nicks for Week 9 alone...no doubt Perry Futile will allow it to happen.
Have you seen him play recently? Including last year?
He gets zero separation anymore. He might be in the best shape, but he has lost his topend speed, which was never really top end to begin with. Now that it's gone, hes neither got the height or super strength to outmuscle guys.
There's a reason why he doesnt even see the field unless the play has 3 WRs.
there is no other explanation.
Look at Kenny Phillips. He played well enough his last year here, but the truth was that he probably never practiced away from the media and everyone knew that his knee was done.
Nicks had that weird compartmentalization issue with his leg. And he was dogged by knee issues in successive years.
I've watched him this year, dont know if Eric has (unlikely). Nicks when he sees the field has zero downfield speed, no burst. It's like he totally lost third gear.
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It can't be his body.
there is no other explanation.
Look at Kenny Phillips. He played well enough his last year here, but the truth was that he probably never practiced away from the media and everyone knew that his knee was done.
Nicks had that weird compartmentalization issue with his leg. And he was dogged by knee issues in successive years.
I've watched him this year, dont know if Eric has (unlikely). Nicks when he sees the field has zero downfield speed, no burst. It's like he totally lost third gear.
I don't see how anyone not intimately aware of Nicks himself can say with authority that it is purely physical or purely mental or a combination of the two.
He reputedly showed up to the Colts' preseason in poor shape and was criticized publicly by their coaches Maybe he just refuses to put in the effort to rehab himself back to 2011 shape?
I recall a video of TC exhorting Nicks during his rookie training camp to produce every game like his unreal Meinike bowl performance for North Carolina. Add that to reports that Nicks ballooned 10-15 lbs in just a few weeks after he pulled a hammy at the combine. And then rumors that Nicks was considered a locker room cancer with the Giants - which may have been simply FO PR to prep fans that he was not getting any resigning offer.
There's a fascinating story maybe behind Nicks' decline but I guess no one is going to dig it up until maybe Nicks himself, short of money, decides to write a kiss and tell autobiography.
In effect, the pressure builds up in the "compartment", which in this case was Nicks lower leg, and that sustained pressure can result in muscle and nerve damage. The reports I've heard say that Nicks has experienced a loss of sensation at time and that it will be unlikely for him to regain the speed because his legs are more of a chronic condition than an acute one.
It's not like he was paralyzed, which can happen in extreme cases of compartment syndrome, but when a player loses just a little bit of speed, it can make them go from elite to pedestrian very quickly. That's the main issue with Nicks now.
as far as last years 'effort' - dont condone it but also recognize we had a bad, flawed team last year regardless. dont see honor in 7-9 vs 4-12 bad is bad.
plus its apparent watching him this year that his physical skillset has taken its toll. what some saw as lazy last year may have in fact been decline in talent level.
let it go.
Completely agreed. He really should have held out after 2011 for a fat contract extension.
He can still snag the ball with those big mitts but the rest of his skills have severely diminished.
It's kinda sad to watch.
From the looks of it, though - the guy's just cooked. He was a great player for us, and sadly another one that seems to have had his career greatly shortened due to injury. I'm also grateful for the time he spent here, and I hope that he can get it together somehow and still be productive in the league.
I hate to talk this way, but if you think that Earnest Gray was anywhere near the player that Nicks was, then you have absolutely no clue what you are watching.
It's called a discussion board for a reason. Don't like the discussion, stfu. I love how everyone questions the validity of a topic. If you don't like it, ignore it.
He was both actually. 2nd round pick in 1979, same draft as Phil Simms
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who is no longer with the team?
It's called a discussion board for a reason. Don't like the discussion, stfu. I love how everyone questions the validity of a topic. If you don't like it, ignore it.
You with that QB Andrew Luck who's really good
7 games, 17 recep, 141 yds, 8.3 ypc, 2 td's.
OBJ with Ole Eli
3 games 10 recept. 106 yrds 10.6 ypc and 3 TD's
OBJ fast as lightning, healthy now and going all out. It's understood that you were hurting and "at times" gave it your all, but it was time, and right to move on!
I miss you for all that you've done for this team, but you've been replaced!
That's why I laugh when people say the team's been without talent for years. OK, Reese has his flaws, and the last 2-3 drafts have been a little bare, but the guy has brought some great players here. What's unfortunate is how many of them did not last long enough to make a bigger impact.
The fact that no one wanted to sign Nicks besides Indy speaks volumes about what the rest of the NFL thinks of him.
People overreacted to the quote about being dangerous with other QBs. All he was doing was talking up his new QB/potential new QB and promoting himself as FA.
It wasn't at all shot at Manning, who Nicks went on about being the one to teach him "everything he knew" before the preseason game against the Colts.
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who is no longer with the team?
It's called a discussion board for a reason. Don't like the discussion, stfu. I love how everyone questions the validity of a topic. If you don't like it, ignore it.
I love how people are too stupid to read the OP and understand that my post was in response to it. Perhaps you should get someone to explain it to you or just stfu yourself.
The Giants are going 9-0 the rest of the way and are headed to the playoffs!
Barry Cofield got his...
Chase Blackburn got his...
Pope got his day...
now AB and Nicks will get theirs...I might just pick up Nicks for Week 9 alone...no doubt Perry Futile will allow it to happen.
This is pretty dumb, Giants track record is pretty good in terms of letting go of players that don't have much left. You don't see that many Giants leave in FA and have big time post Giants careers.