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NFT: NY KNICKS :The Players From Phil Jackson's Point of View

Canton : 10/22/2014 6:39 pm


Click the link to see his take on the rest of the players. Also a game tonight at 7:30 vs the Wizards on MSG-HD



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JACKSON ON: Jose Calderon, PG; Pablo Prigioni, PG

"Jose Calderon and Pablo Prigioni are heady and steady. Neither of them will have any trouble figuring out the triangle [offense]. Jose is a lights-out shooter and, like Pablo, rarely if ever takes a bad shot. Jose especially takes very good care of the ball. They're aggressive enough on offense to be a threat, but not nearly as aggressive on the other end of the court. The task for both of them is to be much better on-the-ball defenders."

JACKSON ON: Iman Shumpert

"Even though Iman Shumpert was in [former Knicks coach] Mike Woodson's dog house for much of last season, he's one of my favorites because he's simply our best on-ball defender at the 2 position and also against the bigger 1s. Once he learns the intricacies of the offense, Iman will be able to create scoring opportunities for his teammates and, unlike last season, he'll know where his own shots will come from. Iman is an excellent driver but his shooting mechanics are very inconsistent. Sometimes he jumps too high to release his shot and sometimes he doesn't jump high enough. As a result, he never shoots the same shot twice."

JACKSON ON: Carmelo Anthony

"Carmelo Anthony is obviously the team's only certified All-Star. It's also no secret that Melo has to keep the ball moving, but he's committed to doing this. Passing has never been a great strength of his, but in the triangle he'll be able to have check-off reads like a quarterback looking for his first-option receiver, then his second and then his third. There'll be plenty of iso opportunities for Melo, and in the triangle it'll be very difficult for defenses to double-team him. It won't be like last season where he had to take clutch shots with a gang of defenders in his face. Also look for Melo to get a bunch of post-up looks."

JACKSON ON: Amar'e Stoudemire, PF/C

"One of the keys to the season will be the play of Amar'e Stoudemire. Although his tender knees will require his playing time and his practice time to be carefully monitored, we hope he'll be able to play four rotations of eight minutes per game. That's because Stoudemire can still be a potent scorer. He can get to the middle when he's in the low post, and in screen-rolls he's a threat to either screen-and-pop or drive to the hoop. Playing adequate defense is a real challenge for him and he's also got to improve his rebounding. The preseason will also discover whether Amar'e is more effective playing the 4 or the 5 positions."

JACKSON ON: Andrea Bargnani, PF/C

"If Andrea Bargnani's initial season in New York was a disappointment, I believe he'll thrive in the triangle. The 3-point shot is a bit out of his range, but from 20 feet and in, Andrea is a deadly shooter. And those are the kinds of shots that the offense will generate for him. Still, there are two aspects of his offense that he has to work on. Because he only approaches the rim in straight lines, he needs to develop some kind of change-of-direction move with the ball -- perhaps a crossover dribble. Also, he's a finger-roller, not a dunker. Could he have small hands? Or does he just need to be more aggressive?

"Bargnani's defense likewise needs improvement. With his long arms, he can be an effective shot-blocker, but he's usually too reactive on defense. In the past, Andrea has been slow getting back in transition defense, and once there he's been unsure of what his rotation responsibilities have been. And like Amar'e, Andrea has to see which of the frontcourt positions suits him best."

JACKSON ON: Samuel Dalembert

"The only natural center among the potential starters is Samuel Dalembert. He's a proven commodity who's going to challenge shooters at the rim. Sam doesn't have a real massive body so he has trouble getting around bigger men who post him up. He's a good offensive rebounder and always plays hard. He has an effective short-range jumper and, in the past he's complained about not getting enough touches. But so does almost everybody else. What Sam needs to learn is how to be a scoring threat in the pivot.

"I'm encouraged by how well Dalembert played against the Spurs in the playoffs. However, throughout his career he's been very susceptible to foul trouble, so his floor-time will most likely be limited to about 26 minutes. Even so, we'd like him to be a 10-and-10 player.




New Knicks president gives his preseason take on every player on his new roster - ( New Window )
This is the first  
Down With JPP : 10/22/2014 6:55 pm : link
time I have ever felt like the Knicks have someone in management who knows exactly what he is doing.
Great read.  
bceagle05 : 10/22/2014 7:19 pm : link
He's always refreshingly honest. Seems pretty high on Larkin.
I am so, so fucking happy Phil is here.  
arcarsenal : 10/22/2014 7:21 pm : link
I actually have faith that there is someone who knows what they're doing in this organization for the first time in a very long time.
He's certainly got a plan. Everything he does  
kmed : 10/22/2014 7:22 pm : link
is calculated and executed to perfection.

I knew he'd love shump and very interesting to hear why he thinks shump looks like a good shooter, but isn't.
And I'm glad  
bceagle05 : 10/22/2014 7:22 pm : link
they didn't trade Shump without first seeing him with a new coach and system. Woodson buried him.
I don't think it's so much that  
kmed : 10/22/2014 7:26 pm : link
Woodson buried shump, shump deserves responsibility. He didn't handle things right and it effected his play. That being said, Woodson certainly didn't help shump mature and brung his game to the next level.
It always seemed like Woodson and Shump were at odds.  
arcarsenal : 10/22/2014 7:27 pm : link
And just never on the same page.

I'm glad he's getting a fresh start with a new coach and a new system. There's definitely untapped potential there and Phil seems to have a good grip on what he's good at and where he needs to improve. Hopefully we can get more out of him. I still think he can be a really good player.
The problem I see with shump is his  
kmed : 10/22/2014 7:29 pm : link
contract situation. Say he looks great, are we going to give him $8-$10 million a year?
I guess we'd cross that bridge when we get there  
arcarsenal : 10/22/2014 7:33 pm : link
Hopefully he plays well enough that it's even a discussion
here's the translation of his breakdown on JR:  
Giants11 : 10/22/2014 7:35 pm : link
"His lazy chucking ass is going to be on another teams just as soon as I can figure out a way to make it happen."
TC on the Knicks:  
Deej : 10/22/2014 7:38 pm : link
"Amare has a knee"
Larkin and Smith  
Del Shofner : 10/22/2014 7:41 pm : link
starting.
Interesting starting lineup tonight  
Dr Pepper : 10/22/2014 7:41 pm : link
Larkin
THJR
Melo
Smith
Dalembert
Is Calderon hurt?  
steve in ky : 10/22/2014 7:43 pm : link
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Calderon is banged up,  
kmed : 10/22/2014 7:44 pm : link
nothing serious.
Thanks  
steve in ky : 10/22/2014 7:46 pm : link
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Calderon  
Down With JPP : 10/22/2014 8:01 pm : link
would be good with the second unit as he can look to score more
refreshing to see someone in the organization  
Enzo : 10/22/2014 8:12 pm : link
speak so candidly.
To be fair  
kmed : 10/22/2014 8:18 pm : link
it's refreshing to see anybody speak at all.
I'm really liking Larkin alot..  
Canton : 10/23/2014 9:51 am : link
Under Fisher's tutelage I think he can be a long term starter for us. I love his energy and quickness. His speed to the rim, to break the defense and find Amare with the assist, was sweet.
Only thing i dont like about larkin is his shot...  
Italianju : 10/23/2014 9:58 am : link
seems to have a weird delayed release which is a problem since he is so short. His quickness is great though and he seems to have pretty solid vision.
This team  
EricNY33 : 10/23/2014 10:28 am : link
is going to be the same team it was last year if they don't improve drastically on defense. The defense is STILL bad.
what's Larkin's realistic ceiling?  
Enzo : 10/23/2014 10:38 am : link
Really good backup PG? Any chance he develops into a top 15 starting PG in the league?
i'm glad and excited  
djm : 10/23/2014 10:47 am : link
that Phil likes Larkin. I really want that kid to develop. He's got a nice skill set just needs to put it all together. An athletic defensive young PG is exactly what this franchise needs.
The big problem I see for this year...  
manh george : 10/23/2014 11:09 am : link
is that The Knicks have a very large number of moderately talented pieces that don't seem to fit together very well. They have no true starting center, but lots of people who can compete at center. They have two scoring center/forwards who can't play much defense. They have three shooting guards who deserve at least some time, but nowhere to put them all. Their starting pg is, along with much of the rest of the team, a mediocre defender.

They have lots and lots of depth at the back end of the roster. Their 11th-15th players probably compare favorably with that of most teams in the league. Of course, that and $4.50 will get you a Venti decaf cappuccino.
Phil says that  
Mighty : 10/23/2014 11:29 am : link
THJ is 6'8? he doesnt seem that tall.
I'm really impressed that he both knew his players so well  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/23/2014 11:41 am : link
and was so honest in his assessment.
He's using the media to get a message  
kmed : 10/23/2014 12:17 pm : link
through to his players. He comes accross as giving an honest assessment, but it's calculated. It's now public info what Phil wants each player to improve on.
The one thing Phil excels at among many others..  
Canton : 10/23/2014 12:17 pm : link
Is his evaluation of talent. He knows who will and won't work in his offense. I'm excited to see what he assembles.
RE: He's using the media to get a message  
EricNY33 : 10/23/2014 12:31 pm : link
In comment 11936962 kmed said:
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through to his players. He comes accross as giving an honest assessment, but it's calculated. It's now public info what Phil wants each player to improve on.


Yup. This has been a staple of his throughout his coaching career as well.
like others have said  
bc4life : 10/23/2014 12:51 pm : link
The basketball intellect at his position is unparalleled - having him in Knick's front office is long overdue.
biggest problem  
bc4life : 10/23/2014 12:54 pm : link
is the inability of Stoudemire to stay healthy. I'd be shocked if he is able to give Phil and the Knicks the four eight minute rotations he envisions.
When do they announce the roster?  
Anakim : 10/23/2014 12:54 pm : link
To see if Wear or Outlaw make it as the 15th guy?
I don't think this year was ever going to be about building a winning  
Giants11 : 10/23/2014 1:36 pm : link
team per say. I think Phil just wants to
1. change the culture around here and start to implement his system
2. tweak the roster with some new blood and see if he can find a potential serious contributor down the road

Next Summer is when we are going to see Phil really roll his sleeves up and make the kind of additions that can be cornerstones around here for the foreseeable future.
Totally agree Giants11  
Canton : 10/23/2014 1:49 pm : link
Anakim - Phil already stated in his evaluation of Wear , that he's eventually going to the D-League..

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We'll eventually place him in the D-League, where his possible NBA future solely depends on his ability to learn how to defend."



His evaluation of Outlaw has him pretty much making the team.
That's the one evaluation I'm not sure I agree with.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/23/2014 1:57 pm : link
To say Outlaw is a very good shooter is weird to me.
RE: That's the one evaluation I'm not sure I agree with.  
Canton : 10/23/2014 2:16 pm : link
In comment 11937177 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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To say Outlaw is a very good shooter is weird to me.


I take away from his assessment that he's a very good shooter that wasn't in good systems and lost his touch..

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Hopefully, playing in the triangle will give him a chance to regain his scoring touch and be a productive force off the bench."
RE: The big problem I see for this year...  
mfsd : 10/23/2014 2:49 pm : link
In comment 11936820 manh george said:
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is that The Knicks have a very large number of moderately talented pieces that don't seem to fit together very well. They have no true starting center, but lots of people who can compete at center. They have two scoring center/forwards who can't play much defense. They have three shooting guards who deserve at least some time, but nowhere to put them all. Their starting pg is, along with much of the rest of the team, a mediocre defender.

They have lots and lots of depth at the back end of the roster. Their 11th-15th players probably compare favorably with that of most teams in the league. Of course, that and $4.50 will get you a Venti decaf cappuccino.


This is pretty spot on...this has always been a 2+ year rebuild. I think what Phil is basically doing is letting all these role players audition to be part of the plan or part of future trades

And yes it is fun to see how Phil uses the media to send messages...as in, you guys better start playing defense if you want to stay on the team
I remember Phil as a rookie  
OldPolack : 10/23/2014 2:55 pm : link
who did not play much in his first 3-4 years. Dave D. and Bill Bradley were the starting forwards with Cazzie being 3rd forward in. Phil learned a lot
being on the bench next to Holzman.
Good read on Fisher still searching for his final 5  
Canton : 10/23/2014 4:31 pm : link
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What the NY Knicks' 2014-15 Starting Lineup Should Actually Look Like - ( New Window )
Calderon  
Canton : 10/23/2014 4:35 pm : link
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As for his ball control, it consistently grades out among theNBA's best. He had the fourth-highest assist-to-turnover ratio in the league last season (3.66), per ESPN.com, which was actually his lowest ranking since he finished in the same spot with a 3.52 as a sophomore in 2006-07.

It's almost tragic that it's taken this long to get Calderon into the triangle, because on paper the two go together like cereal and milk.


I've wanted the Knicks to get Calderon for a few years now  
Giants11 : 10/24/2014 9:53 am : link
he's a perfect fit to play with Melo. He'll get him the ball in the spots where he needs it, and he's a deadly shooter. That article linked was a good breakdown. I agree Melo probably is best suited to play the 4 on this team. However it seems like Fisher wants him at the 3. I'm not inspired by their options to start at the 4. Stat needs to be a bench guy with his minutes limits. Barngani should get nowhere near starter's minutes.
RE: The one thing Phil excels at among many others..  
chris r : 10/24/2014 10:06 am : link
In comment 11936963 Canton said:
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Is his evaluation of talent. He knows who will and won't work in his offense. I'm excited to see what he assembles.


Really? What great moves did he make with the Lakers or Bulls? He walked into two of the most talented teams ever.
yeah  
djm : 10/24/2014 10:22 am : link
outside of the Twelve championships, Phil really didn't do that much with the Bulls or Lakers. HE kind of just stumbled into those titles..


..  
djm : 10/24/2014 10:25 am : link
fuck it  
djm : 10/24/2014 10:25 am : link
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this should be good  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/24/2014 10:46 am : link
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The genius of Phil was getting superstars to buy into his program  
Greg from LI : 10/24/2014 10:50 am : link
It sounds easy, but the triangle is a total team concept that doesn't really cater to one or two big stars.
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