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I miss Giants Stadium

Sean : 10/22/2014 7:05 pm
I miss the charm, the end zones, the field, and the character. I've been to a game at Metlife and it is just so generic to me, there is no charm whatsoever.

While I'm at it, I miss Shea Stadium too and I find it hard to believe Yankee Stadium was knocked down. I really wish there was more done to preserve/renovate these stadiums and arenas as opposed to knocking them down. I found it comical when I heard a player mention all of the history at the new Yankee Stadium before the Isles-Rangers game last year.

I really miss going to games here.

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There was no need for a new stadium.  
Phil in Joisey : 10/22/2014 11:22 pm : link
Giants Stadium had the best sight lines and it was ours!
But greed made John Mara and Steve Tisch opt for a bad move. Their greed has not succeeded as their beloved Coaches Corner and extra suites did not sell out. $700 tickets plus $20,000 per seat PSLs were not attractive even to corporations.
Now the bland Met Life Stadium sucks. The company Met Life sucks. Those bastards just raised my Long Term Care premiums 52% per year breaking a contract that stated no raises. Snoopy sucks. And the whole idea of sharing a stadium with the Jets sucks.
RE: There was no need for a new stadium.  
MookGiants : 10/22/2014 11:27 pm : link
In comment 11936403 Phil in Joisey said:
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Giants Stadium had the best sight lines and it was ours!
But greed made John Mara and Steve Tisch opt for a bad move. Their greed has not succeeded as their beloved Coaches Corner and extra suites did not sell out. $700 tickets plus $20,000 per seat PSLs were not attractive even to corporations.
Now the bland Met Life Stadium sucks. The company Met Life sucks. Those bastards just raised my Long Term Care premiums 52% per year breaking a contract that stated no raises. Snoopy sucks. And the whole idea of sharing a stadium with the Jets sucks.


Their greed absolutely has succeeded. They are making a lot more money in the new stadium than they did the old.

I hate the new stadium, but I understand why they built a new one. The problem is they couldn't have built a more shitty new stadium if they tried.
That's a great picture  
MookGiants : 10/22/2014 11:29 pm : link
damn, I'm really missing the old stadium now and those saturday afternoon/night games before christmas.
RE: RE: Me too  
timintey : 10/22/2014 11:30 pm : link
In comment 11936399 Fish said:
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In comment 11936111 Sec 103 said:


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Had a great section... Now it's all shitheads... Sorry for any returning memebers, but I did not see many in two games I attended this shithole (Metlifeless)



Same. Had great section 334. On the isle row 13. They fucked us.


My uncle was Sec 334 too. We went to 2-3 games a year...
Nice  
Fish : 10/22/2014 11:43 pm : link
too bad its gone. We would meet up.
A picture from my own personal library  
Route 9 in LEH : 10/23/2014 1:20 am : link
vs Browns  
Route 9 in LEH : 10/23/2014 1:21 am : link
September 26, 2004
" there was more done to preserve/renovate these stadiums and arenas"  
ed90631 : 10/23/2014 3:35 am : link
buy it.

Face it, the economics of preserving older, less efficient buildings rarely makes sense and nostalgia buffs rarely understand the cost of refurbishing the old rather than replacelment. Coupled with the fact that the inventory of actual usable real estate is finite means preservation is an expensive luxury most of us can't afford.
RE: I also prefer the old stadium  
ed90631 : 10/23/2014 3:39 am : link
In comment 11936316 EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) said:
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The seats are even smaller too


The front seat of my car has gotten smaller over the years as well.
.....  
tiki bar : 10/23/2014 5:15 am : link
agree with all, but i do have 2 upper deck seats in my basement
old place was tightly packed and looked amazing
I really miss Giants Stadium.  
truebluelarry : 10/23/2014 8:08 am : link
It hurt letting my season tickets go after 2009, but the price tag attached to the new place made it necessary.

I just sold my PSLs this month...  
HelmetCatch : 10/23/2014 8:27 am : link
I also liked the old place better...but the game day experience as a whole has gone downhill... It's a lot easier and cheaper to stay home. I'll still go to a game or so each year for the tailgate which is always enjoyable...
Am I the only Giant fan  
cjac : 10/23/2014 8:27 am : link
that likes MetLife Stadium?
Couldn't agree more..  
BayRidgeBlue : 10/23/2014 8:30 am : link
For a while I was getting face value season tix at the new place but turned them down this year - just not fun anymore. My section is literally a rotating group of international tourists who ironically tend to be more enthusiastic than the other "fans" around us (334 row 13).

Unfortunately, whether we want to admit it or not, Mara and Tisch decided that adding a few extra million to their inherited wealth was more important than preserving our history and traditions (but hey, at least they're "classier" about it than Woody Johnson). Of course a new stadium will always be necessary at some point, the least they could do is build one that's actually better with their own money instead of crying poverty and charging PSLs. Shame on them. Pathetic.
RE: There was no need for a new stadium.  
Victor in CT : 10/23/2014 8:39 am : link
In comment 11936403 Phil in Joisey said:
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Giants Stadium had the best sight lines and it was ours!
But greed made John Mara and Steve Tisch opt for a bad move. Their greed has not succeeded as their beloved Coaches Corner and extra suites did not sell out. $700 tickets plus $20,000 per seat PSLs were not attractive even to corporations.
Now the bland Met Life Stadium sucks. The company Met Life sucks. Those bastards just raised my Long Term Care premiums 52% per year breaking a contract that stated no raises. Snoopy sucks. And the whole idea of sharing a stadium with the Jets sucks.


Well said. You should send this to the Giants management. There was no need to leave a Giants Stadium that had been refurbished less then 10 years before it was torn down. They should have told the Jets to fuck off and go back to Queens where they belong.

Francesa said on his show last week that Met Life Stadium has not been the financial bonanza that they envisioned,.
RE: That's a great picture  
Essex : 10/23/2014 8:46 am : link
In comment 11936414 MookGiants said:
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damn, I'm really missing the old stadium now and those saturday afternoon/night games before christmas.


That Chiefs game was a great game, also the Steelers game I believe was on a Saturday the year before. The Eagles game in 2002 where we made the playoffs by beating them was a Saturday game, too. It is ridiculous that they don't do that anymore when the college season ends.
RE: Am I the only Giant fan  
Essex : 10/23/2014 8:50 am : link
In comment 11936561 cjac said:
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that likes MetLife Stadium?


My seats are in the corner endzone lower tier, comparable seats in the old stadium were better. This stadium kind of veers up gradually, where the old stadium got vertical quicker. My row is 30, so in the old stadium you could clearly see the yard markers on the other side of the field. In the new stadium, you cant see it down the field as cleanly. That is all I care about.

As to the aesthetics, I think the stadium is boring, but it is not as bad as people make it out. The stadium store is fine, the food options are fine (not great), the bathroom lines move (unlike old stadium).
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Route 9 in LEH : 10/23/2014 9:14 am : link
In comment 11936504 ed90631 said:
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buy it.

Face it, the economics of preserving older, less efficient buildings rarely makes sense and nostalgia buffs rarely understand the cost of refurbishing the old rather than replacelment. Coupled with the fact that the inventory of actual usable real estate is finite means preservation is an expensive luxury most of us can't afford.


MetLife still sucks.
Cjac  
mark56 : 10/23/2014 9:23 am : link
I too like the new stadium as I am now a season ticket holder. The old stadium was nice but as long as I can see the NY Giants play in a live setting, it does not matter what the stadium looks like.
loved Saturday afternoon games in December  
Greg from LI : 10/23/2014 9:24 am : link
One of my favorite Giants memories is watching the Giants crush the Steelers on a Saturday in 1985 as we decorated our Christmas tree. It was the game when Joe Morris lost his shoe on a long TD run, his sock flapping behind him for the last 20 yards or so.
RE: Am I the only Giant fan  
Scyber : 10/23/2014 9:25 am : link
In comment 11936561 cjac said:
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that likes MetLife Stadium?


I like it. Sightlines are just as good. Getting in and out is easier (mezzanine), concession and bathroom lines are smaller. Food options are better. Legacy Club is awesome! Overall is much cleaner.

The old stadium had alot of nostalgia and I have many great memories from it, but it was a dump.

I'm actually looking to pick up another PSL. My family has 5 people now and I'd like to have a ticket for when my daughter gets older.
essex  
Fish : 10/23/2014 9:26 am : link
I am in the corner of end zone as well, in the 200's. Once the offense crosses the 50 I am whatching on the screens. I cannot see the plays as well. I find myself watching those screens more than the field therefore why do I need to be there when I can watch at home. Maybe I am getting older but like a poster said above, sold the PSL and goes to a couple of games a year may be in my future.
Old Giants Stadium was great....  
BillKo : 10/23/2014 9:51 am : link
but I do like the new stadium as well.

More bathrooms and bigger, better choice of food, great scoreboards..........and getting in and out of the stadium is much easier.

However, I see the point that all of those things could have probably been included in a second refurbish of Giants Stadium.
RE: Here you go Mook..  
micky : 10/23/2014 9:55 am : link
In comment 11936402 Sean said:
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That year there was 3 straight Saturday games to end the year
Yeah I miss those Saturday Night games  
Route 9 in LEH : 10/23/2014 10:01 am : link
when college football was over. To hell with the Thursday games.

2007 week 17 vs New England was a Saturday night game
I never shared the same affinity  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/23/2014 10:02 am : link
for Giants Stadium that some here do. As an adult with my understanding of geography in place this obviously doesn't bother me at all, but as a kid I always found the whole "playing in New Jersey" thing off-putting. As a kid, New Jersey might as well have been Ohio. So I never was able to love it as a kid. Not to mention, in my youth, I only got a chance to go to maybe 3 or 4 games where as I probably went to about 30-40 games at the old Yankee Stadium.

Maybe that's why the generic MetLife Stadium doesn't bother me as much as some. I agree that they screwed the pooch, but for me, the bar was set pretty low. I definitely understand why so many loved Giants Stadium. For me, it was just the place my favorite team played.
I don't find MetLife to be all that bad  
Go Terps : 10/23/2014 10:10 am : link
Functionally it's as good as any place I've ever been. Ingress/egress, no lines for food or the bathroom, sightlines are fine, etc. I always thought the complaints were overblown after going there for a Giants game a couple years ago and the Jets-Lions game a few weeks back.

But last month I was in Seattle and got to check out an MLS game at the Seahawks' place, and I was reminded of what some architectural ambition could accomplish. Wow. MetLife had all the charm of a dead whore after being in that place.

I still think the biggest letdown of MetLife is the lit up exterior. When it was initially described I anticipated Allianz Arena in Munich. What we got was something quite short of that.





I'll also add that there is something to be said for a stadium located in a downtown. Yeah the parking lot tailgate experience is reduced, but accessibility, experiences around the stadium, and the view of the skyline add to what is already a fantastic stadium in Seattle. I do wonder if maybe both the Giants and Jets would have been better off splitting up a stadium in Manhattan.
"playing in NJ"  
Route 9 in LEH : 10/23/2014 10:13 am : link
works for me. Don't have to cross bridges, tunnels, train tracks or subways to get there. Except for the Rangers ECF game in May, I cannot remember the last time I went to New York for a game. 2011?

I hate to sound smug Long Beach, but NJ is not fucking Ohio. I drove through Ohio 3 times...eh.
No way - I'm coming from NYC and I wouldn't want  
jcn56 : 10/23/2014 10:17 am : link
them to play here. The traffic is already a nightmare - Manhattan?! They'd play all of two games before someone would want to blow the stadium up and start from scratch.

The location wasn't the issue, it was the obvious downgrade in viewing experience (from just about every vantage point, further away and higher up) and the lack of anything special/unique to the stadium. Giants Stadium wasn't much - it was a giant gray blob in the Meadowlands. MetLife isn't much more. With the cost of entry to these events having gone so far up over the past two decades, and with the great work done on some of these other stadiums, you figured that the guys who designed it would have something more impressive in mind that a giant tuna can replacement for the original.
I can pretty much live with everything else  
djm : 10/23/2014 10:23 am : link
I just want the fucking spirals back. Bring the spirals the fuck back. Build some...I don't care...
the bathrooms move faster  
djm : 10/23/2014 10:27 am : link
the exiting and entering is definitely not worse. I think it's a little better but maybe I am just getting their earlier and leaving later. I tailgate for every game that I attend now due to having the pkn pass. I used to rough it a lot more back in the day. We'd park far away and scalp tix...then finish off our road dogs and head on in. Not anymore. Now I cook and hang out for 3 hrs before the game and even hang out after. So there is no traffic. I also sit lower tier and from what I can gather it's a much longer and shitter walk if you sit upstairs. Plus the seats are definitely further back so that sucks too.

For me the overall experience isn't the same as the old house but it's still a Giants game. I just really want the fucking spirals back. Why did they fuck with the spirals. Bring back the fucking spirals.
The Stadium experience for me is unpleasant and has been for some time  
Big Blue '56 : 10/23/2014 10:31 am : link
Blaring music between plays, Constant standing by fans(not talking about for key plays, raucous fans, PA urgings to get louder, etc, is awful FOR ME..

I guess I was spoiled growing up in an era where the only music played was by the halftime band..

The comfortable home experience rocks...
RE: No way - I'm coming from NYC and I wouldn't want  
Go Terps : 10/23/2014 10:33 am : link
In comment 11936730 jcn56 said:
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them to play here. The traffic is already a nightmare - Manhattan?! They'd play all of two games before someone would want to blow the stadium up and start from scratch.

The location wasn't the issue, it was the obvious downgrade in viewing experience (from just about every vantage point, further away and higher up) and the lack of anything special/unique to the stadium. Giants Stadium wasn't much - it was a giant gray blob in the Meadowlands. MetLife isn't much more. With the cost of entry to these events having gone so far up over the past two decades, and with the great work done on some of these other stadiums, you figured that the guys who designed it would have something more impressive in mind that a giant tuna can replacement for the original.


Large stadiums have been constructed successfully in large cities elsewhere in the world. London has 5 that seat over 35,000 and another 6 between 10,000 and 30,000. Madrid has one that seats 81,000 and another 55,000 that are 4 or 5 miles apart. The key obviously is that the spectators would have to use transit to get there.

A West Side Stadium was planned for the Jets, built over the LIRR railyard. It just never materialized and MetLife is what happened instead.
RE: The Stadium experience for me is unpleasant and has been for some time  
Go Terps : 10/23/2014 10:34 am : link
In comment 11936755 Big Blue '56 said:
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Blaring music between plays, Constant standing by fans(not talking about for key plays, raucous fans, PA urgings to get louder, etc, is awful FOR ME..

I guess I was spoiled growing up in an era where the only music played was by the halftime band..

The comfortable home experience rocks...


Agree with all of this. Much of what makes the stadium experience worse now isn't unique to MetLife.
a lot of what's being discussed depends on personal preference  
Enzo : 10/23/2014 10:35 am : link
but I think one thing that can't be disputed is that the in-game experience for EVERYONE in the upper deck is inferior compared to the old stadium in terms of view and access/egress.
I can't understand how this topic is not discussed more. I would love  
Mendenhall : 10/23/2014 10:41 am : link
to know what John Mara thinks when he walks into Cowboy stadium. That stadium absolutely blows away Metlife and Jerry paid less money! I'm sure the people in the club sections would disagree but anyone who sat in the upper deck in the old Giants stadium knows the experience in the new stadium is significantly worse. Views, access, even the bathrooms didn't improve. Just mind boggling how they could spend all that money and not improve the experience for the majority of their customers.

I waited 24 years to get season tickets, Got them in 2001. I bought the PSL in the upper deck of the new stadium. I lasted 1 season.
I chose not to "PSL up" for MetLife so glad I didn't...  
dannysection 313 : 10/23/2014 10:46 am : link
I had been sitting with the same "family" in section 313 (Irwin, Gary, Robert, Cary, Paul, etc) for 20 years, having inherited the seats from my father who had tix back to the Polo Grounds.

I found out my seats in the new stadium were moved from half way up the upper deck, on the 15, sunny side (great seats, sight lines, etc) to the corner of the end zone and much further away in the new stadium.

When I asked why I wasn't given similar seats I was told it was to accommodate the need for fans in the lower sections who wanted to move upstairs to avoid the expensive PSL; nice. I was offered two $7,500.00 PSL's which I politely declined.

I truly miss the experience of going to games, the excitement in the parking lot, the tunnel to the stadium, the crisp fall afternoons, planes flying by as the National Anthem was sung and all the great games from 1992-2010.

But, I am so glad I didn't cave in to the Mara/Tisch greed. I happily watch from home, with all of the benefits that come with that experience; I also have saved a ton of $.

Wellington Mara would never have done the same to his fans....
Overall, I don't hate the stadium like most  
Mike in ramapo college : 10/23/2014 10:53 am : link
This may have something to do with the fact that I attended perhaps 3 games at the old stadium and am now a season ticketholder in the current one.

I am in section 348. Is it a little too far for my preference? Of course it is. However, I have no problem seeing the action on the field and determing if a sideline catch was completed or not, the amount of yards run, etc.

I also do not understand the gripes about exiting the stadium. I arrive at the earliest possible time to start tailgating, so there is no traffic and it takes me 35 minutes. After the game? It takes me maybe 15 minutes to walk to the car and 1 hour to get home. I would expect much worse, actually.

I also don't understand the complaints about the concessions. No matter what the concessions offered, I would not be willing to pay for it at the price points offered (although I will grab a beer during the September/October games if it is hot out).
RE: I can't understand how this topic is not discussed more. I would love  
jcn56 : 10/23/2014 10:57 am : link
In comment 11936771 Mendenhall said:
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to know what John Mara thinks when he walks into Cowboy stadium. That stadium absolutely blows away Metlife and Jerry paid less money! I'm sure the people in the club sections would disagree but anyone who sat in the upper deck in the old Giants stadium knows the experience in the new stadium is significantly worse. Views, access, even the bathrooms didn't improve. Just mind boggling how they could spend all that money and not improve the experience for the majority of their customers.

I waited 24 years to get season tickets, Got them in 2001. I bought the PSL in the upper deck of the new stadium. I lasted 1 season.


He's probably thinking 'too bad we couldn't build a stadium in buttfuck like Jerry did'.
Ditto  
Simms : 10/23/2014 12:41 pm : link
I think a lot of it for me as others has noted too is we could have and should have done so much for in building a stadium overall.

The travel patterns are weak and they could have made it more interesting to travel about the stadium and take other attractions in if they choose too.

Having poor site lines from either level is shocking. Once you get beyond row ten in the upper deck its gets far away, real fast, glad my seats are not up there.

I think they have attempted to do more, with the bathroom situation, food, and fan support etc. But the realization of knowing we are stuck in this bland bowl and sharing with the Jests
spirals  
mark56 : 10/23/2014 12:48 pm : link
"Bring the spirals the fuck back".
I do agree with this statement.
The number one determining factor  
cjac : 10/23/2014 12:51 pm : link
as to why I like the new stadium better, is that I have season tickets. I was still 25 years away in the old stadium, and I know tickets were not supposed to be willed but everyone passed them on to their kids. It wasnt hard to do especially if a child had the same name.

Here are other factors

I am in the lower corner to right of the Pepsi gate, i'm in and out of the stadium in a minute.

The bathrooms are exponentially better than it was in the old staduim

The concessions are better

Security is better (nothing to do with Stadium design but for whatever reason, its better)

Younger crowd (Still some "down in front" folks but in general a lot of grumpy old men are not there anymore)

They improved the exits in the parking lot.

Here is the worst thing about the new stadium

The Drumline
It comes down to a few things for me.  
GMenLTS : 10/23/2014 1:02 pm : link
In Giants Stadium, the escalator design was perfect. One to each level. Entry right before the game on the escalators at Metlife is, continues to be, and apparently always will be, utter shit.

Two, the spirals obviously go hand in hand with the escalator design. It worked. Why change it?

The food is better, the bathrooms are better, and the extra big screens are a welcome addition at Metlife, but on the whole, after seeing what GB and Chicago did, Giants Stadium should have just been renovated. Even if that meant no super bowl.
RE: I just sold my PSLs this month...  
RinR : 10/23/2014 5:36 pm : link
In comment 11936560 HelmetCatch said:
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I also liked the old place better...but the game day experience as a whole has gone downhill... It's a lot easier and cheaper to stay home. I'll still go to a game or so each year for the tailgate which is always enjoyable...


Helmet- where did you sell them? Stubhub, Ebay, PSL Xchg?
RE: The Stadium experience for me is unpleasant and has been for some time  
Stan from LA : 10/23/2014 6:10 pm : link
In comment 11936755 Big Blue '56 said:
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Blaring music between plays, Constant standing by fans(not talking about for key plays, raucous fans, PA urgings to get louder, etc, is awful FOR ME..

I guess I was spoiled growing up in an era where the only music played was by the halftime band..

The comfortable home experience rocks...


Yes. But I also like jogging without headphones on. Something about the sounds of nature...
RE: RE: I just sold my PSLs this month...  
HelmetCatch : 10/23/2014 7:24 pm : link
In comment 11937476 RinR said:
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In comment 11936560 HelmetCatch said:


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I also liked the old place better...but the game day experience as a whole has gone downhill... It's a lot easier and cheaper to stay home. I'll still go to a game or so each year for the tailgate which is always enjoyable...



Helmet- where did you sell them? Stubhub, Ebay, PSL Xchg?



I sold them in a private deal. It was someone who I used to let go down to some of the games. The PSLs were orig. 4K a piece. I sold them for 3.5K each. He'll also let me pick a game or two a year at face if I want. I was happy with the deal...He also paid the $200.00 transfer...
MetLife Stadium sucks  
FJ : 10/23/2014 10:23 pm : link
Everything that was right about Giants Stadium was omitted from MetLife. POS!
A few thoughts  
Matt M. : 10/23/2014 11:04 pm : link
1) Go Terps - I think that is what everyone anticipated. I think it is pathetic that with the price tag of the stadium, they are changing colored shields on lights outside, instead of just changing a computer program controlling LED lights outside.

2) I'm sorry, but I didn't find the new stadium more efficient at all. It is more of a pain in the ass to get to the upper deck and around it. I don't find the food choices significantly better, which is probably also why the lines aren't huge.

3) The view in the new stadium is worse, and not just in the upper deck.

4) This stadium is a generic sack of shit.
RE: RE: The Stadium experience for me is unpleasant and has been for some time  
Big Blue '56 : 10/24/2014 9:03 am : link
In comment 11937490 Stan from LA said:
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In comment 11936755 Big Blue '56 said:


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Blaring music between plays, Constant standing by fans(not talking about for key plays, raucous fans, PA urgings to get louder, etc, is awful FOR ME..

I guess I was spoiled growing up in an era where the only music played was by the halftime band..

The comfortable home experience rocks...



Yes. But I also like jogging without headphones on. Something about the sounds of nature...


Peyton, a small example of what I dislike about going to ANY stadium:

"..I have no problem with our fans, our fans are great. I’ve got a problem with our scoreboard operator. I’ve got to have a little talk with him,” Manning said, his tone very serious. “I’m not sure what he’s doing. He’s playing music and showing our players dancing and getting the crowd fired up when we have the ball. I don’t think we should be doing that. I don’t think we should be showing their quarterback on the sideline. I thought it was disrespectful.”
Other cities typically aren't small islands like Manhattan  
JonC : 10/24/2014 9:28 am : link
It makes getting to and from the stadium very difficult, as even mass transit gets bogged down on gameday. A stadium over the railyards would look amazing, but logistics would be torture. Ultimately, the land is much more valuable developed for multiple parcels and hundreds of buildings and sold to a sea of bidders, rather than a stadium that's infrequently used.

MetLife has zero character, but I felt the sightlines, concessions, ingress/egress etc were quite good in the lower bowl.

The problem is the upper deck, and that's where most fans of regular means wind up. It's way too far from the field, unlike the old stadium. The experience up there flat out blows.
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