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Demps or Brown

FTLFan : 10/22/2014 10:28 pm
Honestly curious what everyone feels regarding the better of the two. Brown was an INT wunderkind safety two years ago with a miraculous number of INT's and exceptional return average, Demps was nearly the NFL's leading kick returner last year. Brown has already been benched for "schematic misconduct" by failing to properly maintain his deep responsibilities, but prior to that benching he was surprisingly strong in run support and had no turnovers that I can recall, and since that benching, has had at least one or two good special teams tackles. Since then, Demps has occupied the same role, found himself a turnover and a half, awkwardly turned the half INT back to the offense immediately, and similarly failed to make a significant number of important plays in the defensive backfield (Dallas TE Escobar most recently). Demps return average is currently near the bottom of the NFL at 20+ yds per return. I'm sure I missed a few details, but thematically and idealistically, who's got your vote opposite 'Trelle?

oh, and unless it's critical to the discussion, please don't call me out on any marginally inaccurate data as this is all off the top of my head.
Scylla  
AcidTest : 10/22/2014 10:50 pm : link
or Charybdis?
RE: Scylla  
Anakim : 10/22/2014 10:54 pm : link
In comment 11936376 AcidTest said:
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or Charybdis?


Syphilis or Chlamydia?
Demps or Brown?  
SHO'NUFF : 10/22/2014 11:10 pm : link
I CHOOSE DEATH.
The Will Hill situation  
St. Jimmy : 10/22/2014 11:18 pm : link
really fucked this team. I think they should have planned better in the offseason. They left themselves with one sure thing at safety, a second year player, a guy coming off injury, a late round draft choice, and a retread. They should have assumed Hill was gone and signed more help in the off season.
Jim  
FTLFan : 10/22/2014 11:28 pm : link
I don't disagree in principle, but I wonder if the team wasn't hedging its bets that at least one out of the bunch would turn out positively? Not unrealistic don't you think? How deep do you need to prepare for when building a roster and starting with a bunch of promising players?...VERY promising players at that. Roster-wise, we began this season or should I say "pre-season" with a deeper secondary than I bet most of us can remember. How many more could they have planned for. Attrition can make fools of all of us.
Acid  
FTLFan : 10/22/2014 11:30 pm : link
LOVED the post. I'm a pretty educated guy and had never HEARD of that mythological reference... though my literature major brother would probably be pissed to hear me say that. Thanks.
It's time for Berhe  
SHO'NUFF : 10/22/2014 11:37 pm : link
he won't disappoint.
RE: Jim  
St. Jimmy : 10/22/2014 11:54 pm : link
In comment 11936412 FTLFan said:
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I don't disagree in principle, but I wonder if the team wasn't hedging its bets that at least one out of the bunch would turn out positively? Not unrealistic don't you think? How deep do you need to prepare for when building a roster and starting with a bunch of promising players?...VERY promising players at that. Roster-wise, we began this season or should I say "pre-season" with a deeper secondary than I bet most of us can remember. How many more could they have planned for. Attrition can make fools of all of us.
I think the team was deep at cb. Safeties would have been fine with Rolle and Hill but it was pretty obvious Hill was going to be suspended. At that point, I think you need to bring in someone who is an NFL safety (as in someone who has at least started and is not coming off an injury.) Fewell likes the three safety look. Without Hill on the team they don't have the players to run that.

That sad with a backup/replaceable starter, this defense still is what it currently is.
Rolle  
dancing blue bear : 10/23/2014 12:18 am : link
Brown, demps, taylor, and behr. how many more safeties can you bring in? not to mention allocation of resources.

plus all the cbs. With thurmond, the plan was more nickel corner and less 3 safeties. plus i think bowman can play some safety

i'm with you, to an extent. . . but brown was a playmaker before the injury. 2 young draft picks are gonna make the team. and demps was gonna make the team as a returner. he hasn't been great on D, but serviceable.

I'd like to see the kid behr get some PT. think he is a football player, and i believe has a similar skill set to will hill, but higher character. he WAS a captain. . .
Demps is useless...  
PonderingObserver : 10/23/2014 1:27 am : link
Whoever is responsible for him being on the team should be fired.
Herpes or chlamydia?  
chris r : 10/23/2014 2:12 am : link
.
Cooper Taylor  
rdt288 : 10/23/2014 4:26 am : link
Is he done for the year?
RE: Cooper Taylor  
spike : 10/23/2014 7:48 am : link
In comment 11936508 rdt288 said:
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Is he done for the year?


yes
Both are backups  
JonC : 10/23/2014 7:52 am : link
and prone to be liabilities. Stevie gambles and breaks discipline too often, Demps tends to mis-diagnose the action and makes physical mistakes accordingly. I don't see Rolle returning without taking less money or years, so NYG could be looking for two safeties next Winter.
Cooper Taylor is on IR  
Simms11 : 10/23/2014 7:53 am : link
and it's really unfortunate because he started to show promise in pre-season. It would have been nice to really see how he performed during the season to see what we had. Saying that, I think it's definitely a position that needs attention in the off-season. We need someone there that can 9 help in the back end of the defense and also help cover TEs!
Brown , despite his liabilities,  
PEEJ : 10/23/2014 8:19 am : link
at least hits people. Demps is a matador
Brown is playing scared  
Tuckrule : 10/23/2014 8:42 am : link
You see the way he tackles now and I can recall a few times where he watched his team gang tackle and he stood around as an observer. He doesn't trust his knee yet. Maybe next year he'll be back to his old self. Like Stevie but he sure does lack speed. Demps has speed and lacks just about everytbing else. Has no clue how to play centerfield although he was solid in run support
That  
FTLFan : 10/23/2014 8:51 am : link
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Brown , despite his liabilities,
PEEJ : 8:19 am : link : reply
at least hits people. Demps is a matador

is honestly how I feel as well. I know Brown screwed up a few assignments early on, but I thought his benching was to make a point, not b/c Demps was an improvement. Saddened to see the latter may be the case in the coaches minds.

I'll remain convinced (perhaps wishfully) that Brown would've destroyed Escobar in the endzone last weekend and nullified that TD rather than throw a half-hearted shoulder at him like Demps did. It was as if Demps gave up and started being pissed at himself even before the play was even officially over.
Brown had been routinely screwing up assignments  
JonC : 10/23/2014 9:03 am : link
throughout 2012 as well, not just early in 2014. Don't focus on the INT number in 2012 as indicative of his talent at FS, a handful of those came as a result of his gambling and breaking discipline.
RE: Brown had been routinely screwing up assignments  
BigBlueinChicago : 10/23/2014 9:42 am : link
In comment 11936615 JonC said:
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throughout 2012 as well, not just early in 2014. Don't focus on the INT number in 2012 as indicative of his talent at FS, a handful of those came as a result of his gambling and breaking discipline.


+1

Interceptions are never an accurately reflection of how good a player is. Folks mention his "right place at the right time" when talking about that 2012 year but fail to mention all the big plays that he was responsible for that went for major yardage and touchdowns.
Yep  
JonC : 10/23/2014 9:49 am : link
It's not a coincidence that the 2012 communication problems in the secondary didn't exist in 2013, and then returned at the start of 2014. Stevie was blowing alot of reads and was unable to pick up receivers that were handed off to his zone, for example. Remember all the looks of bewilderment on the face of Webster after he expected deep safety help ...
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