I call it playing the shitty QBs effect (Cousins, Fitzpatrick).
We have played 4 good QBs this year:
Stafford - 22/32 346 yards 3 total TDs
Ryan - 29-45 316 yards 1 TD/1 INT
Foles - 21-34 248 yards 2 TDs/2 INTs
Romo - 17-23 279 yards 3 TDs/1 INT
The days of dominant defense is gone. All the teams with a good qb and a good offensive line you cannot blitz anymore. Passing is king. You have to play for turn overs on defense. You have to hope your dl is good enough to stop the run and put pressure on the qb. You have to hope your secondary can get the T.O. now with the fact that you can't touch a receiver you will see more zones and quick pressure in the hope of creating ints and getting the offense more touches.
I call it playing the shitty QBs effect (Cousins, Fitzpatrick).
We have played 4 good QBs this year:
Stafford - 22/32 346 yards 3 total TDs
Ryan - 29-45 316 yards 1 TD/1 INT
Foles - 21-34 248 yards 2 TDs/2 INTs
Romo - 17-23 279 yards 3 TDs/1 INT
Total
89-134 (66%) for 1,189 yards 9 TDs and 4 INTs
Theme of the Fewell era.
What's so impressive about Ryan or Foles' stat lines in those games? Those are basically average games for them. And if Rolle tackles Antoine Smith like he should have, you can shave about 60 yards off Ryan's total.
Good QB's get theirs against everyone.
Peyton just went 22-26 for 318 and 4 scores against Fangio's defense. I guess he can't coach.
It was such an ass kicking that they put their backup in for the 4th. Peyton could have thrown for about 500 yards and 6 TD's that night if he wanted to.
I call it playing the shitty QBs effect (Cousins, Fitzpatrick).
We have played 4 good QBs this year:
Stafford - 22/32 346 yards 3 total TDs
Ryan - 29-45 316 yards 1 TD/1 INT
Foles - 21-34 248 yards 2 TDs/2 INTs
Romo - 17-23 279 yards 3 TDs/1 INT
Total
89-134 (66%) for 1,189 yards 9 TDs and 4 INTs
Theme of the Fewell era.
What's so impressive about Ryan or Foles' stat lines in those games? Those are basically average games for them. And if Rolle tackles Antoine Smith like he should have, you can shave about 60 yards off Ryan's total.
Good QB's get theirs against everyone.
Peyton just went 22-26 for 318 and 4 scores against Fangio's defense. I guess he can't coach.
See how easy this game is?
Foles put up 27 points in 3 quarters against us, and basically stopped throwing at the end of half. And if we are going to hold up that if a guy made this tackle or that play, we are just making more excuses. Philly did whatever they wanted to against us, so did Detroit, so did Dallas, and Ryan for at least a half. But when it came to the Fitzpatricks (without his RB), Cousins, and Drew Stanton - our defense looked legit.
And I dont know why you are bringing up the SF defensive coordinator against Peyton when he is missing three 1st team all- pro players at 3 important positions. But hey, if we need to defend Fewell more, lets use a crippled defense against the league's best player. Stafford has had two good games all year. Us and the Jets. Nothing to hold our hat on.
We're down half our DB's, we've basically never had our starting MIKE (he's been a liability when he's played and probably won't again this year) we just lost a starting DT, etc.
We can throw a DC with the most "exotic" blitzes on the planet on our sidelines right now, this defense isn't going to be much better.
Tell me why you think Seattles defense went from elite and intimidating to.. good... in just 1 year with the same DC. What's the constant and what's the variable?
defense. Attack the QB with the front 4 and create turnovers. It's a boom or bust defense, when it booms, we can sacks, and can ints. So I am not surprised we lead in Ints. Turnovers is an important element which has been associated with his scheme.
We're down half our DB's, we've basically never had our starting MIKE (he's been a liability when he's played and probably won't again this year) we just lost a starting DT, etc.
We can throw a DC with the most "exotic" blitzes on the planet on our sidelines right now, this defense isn't going to be much better.
Tell me why you think Seattles defense went from elite and intimidating to.. good... in just 1 year with the same DC. What's the constant and what's the variable?
We lost our nickel corner(s). And last time I checked that isnt crippling. DRC has been banged up, but has played in the majority of the games. I dont wnat to hear the excuses for Beason. We didnt have him in training camp, preseason, and the majority of this season. And to be honest, he is only a fair player at this point anyways. And we lost Jenkins for a total of 1 half.
If we are going to compare those injuries to that of Aldon Smith, Patrick Willis, and Navarow Bowman - well thats just plain silly.
We are 24th in YPG on defense, 20th in PPG - and thats with playing 3 out of 7 games against three really bad QBs. Every team has injuries. Every team guys banged up. We consistently get shit on by good to great QBs. I have done this stat every year for 3 years now, and all I get is excuses why its not Fewell's fault.
Can we just all agree that he is at best an average coordinator (lets be honest, he really isnt average) and the defense has underperformed since 2012 against QBs who are actually good?
Jpp takes plays off and has no one on the other side. Roll plays out of position so often as injuries kills depth, that he can't be used to his potential. Drc is hurt. We have no LB corps in how many years? Talent is there but it's not reliable on this team. Injuries and the lack of someone stepping up on the DL, is the root of the problems that you see. The scheme is not a bad one, when everyone is healthy we tend to look pretty dam good on defense.
Jpp takes plays off and has no one on the other side. Roll plays out of position so often as injuries kills depth, that he can't be used to his potential. Drc is hurt. We have no LB corps in how many years? Talent is there but it's not reliable on this team. Injuries and the lack of someone stepping up on the DL, is the root of the problems that you see. The scheme is not a bad one, when everyone is healthy we tend to look pretty dam good on defense.
Against who and when? And what plays does JPP take off? And what team has all-pros at every position?
I think Fewell wishes he had 3 all pro players on his D.
Oh the lack of talent thing again.... thats right. Well I believe JPP/Rolle are all-pro type players. And DRC is a pretty decent player himself.
DRC is playing hurt(as are a lot of players around the league and a lot of defenses suck)they have lost 2 nickel backs have no LB's and a starting safety who should only be on specials. JPP is playing better but does not dominate and the rest of the line, Hankins possibly excluded, are average at best.
Not a Fewell apologist but there isn't a lot of talent on this defense.
And yet, just like the QB's statistics, it doesn't feel like...
isnt dominating because his sack numbers are low? Huh? Thats just a lazy analysis. Isnt he by far the best defensive run defender in the NFL? Doesnt he have more tackles than any other DL in the NFL?
So he had a bad game agaisnt Peters. HE didnt have many more of them this year includign against Dallas, where he dominated Tyron Smith.
We have no safeties, we have no LBs, we have none of this.
How about this, our defensive coordinator, just may be in fact.... not very good?
The Lost of nickel corners is huge in this league. Do you think we would have a different outcome with Thurmond in the slot rather than Fenner, this past sunday?
isnt dominating because his sack numbers are low? Huh? Thats just a lazy analysis. Isnt he by far the best defensive run defender in the NFL? Doesnt he have more tackles than any other DL in the NFL?
So he had a bad game agaisnt Peters. HE didnt have many more of them this year includign against Dallas, where he dominated Tyron Smith.
We have no safeties, we have no LBs, we have none of this.
How about this, our defensive coordinator, just may be in fact.... not very good?
I didn't say JPP wasn't playing well I merely stated he doesn't dominate and he doesn't. DC's don't have sleepless nights worrying about JPP.
I don't think Fewell is a good DC, but you made a comment about lazy analysis, right? Well putting it all on the DC is kind of lazy too.
It isn't the fault of one person. From the front office down to the last player this defense has not done well.
Comparing what we lost to what SF lost is no more silly than thinking JPP and Rolle as as impactful as guys like Bowman, Smith and Willis. Those are 3 of the best LB's in all of football. Rolle is not an elite safety. He is a very good one. JPP was an elite DE in 2011. Has been up and down since. Good this year, awesome against the run.. ok as a pass rusher.
And DRC being on the field doesn't do much if he's playing at about 50% and can't even play more than 20 snaps. There's a huge difference between what he's giving us now and what he was giving us a few weeks ago.
This defense is far less talented than you think.
Like I said.. there's a reason why Seattle is a solid defense right now compared to the elite defense they were last year and it has nothing to do with Dan Quinn.
So I think the comparing them to the Giants is fucking stupid.
Again, look at the big picture and see with your eyes not your heart. Yes losing Smith means you lose a better player than McBride, but it is a team game and all the pieces, all of them, have to work well.
Fewell may be gone soon but I am not sure it will change much.
is by far the best rush defensive lineman in the league and has been in the backfield plenty of times in games this year.
And I backed up my information with stats. I mean, what other excuses are we going to have for him? He had a magical 6 game run in 2011. The magic kind of ended there though.
Comparing what we lost to what SF lost is no more silly than thinking JPP and Rolle as as impactful as guys like Bowman, Smith and Willis. Those are 3 of the best LB's in all of football. Rolle is not an elite safety. He is a very good one. JPP was an elite DE in 2011. Has been up and down since. Good this year, awesome against the run.. ok as a pass rusher.
And DRC being on the field doesn't do much if he's playing at about 50% and can't even play more than 20 snaps. There's a huge difference between what he's giving us now and what he was giving us a few weeks ago.
This defense is far less talented than you think.
Like I said.. there's a reason why Seattle is a solid defense right now compared to the elite defense they were last year and it has nothing to do with Dan Quinn.
JPP hasnt been one of the best DEs in football this year? Seriously? I guess we only judge him by sack numbers?
So I think the comparing them to the Giants is fucking stupid.
Again, look at the big picture and see with your eyes not your heart. Yes losing Smith means you lose a better player than McBride, but it is a team game and all the pieces, all of them, have to work well.
Fewell may be gone soon but I am not sure it will change much.
If losing Trumaine McBride and Walter Thurmond is what we are hanging our hats on why the defense sucks - where are we going? I dont even recall even a slot WR having a big game against us anyways (oh thats right, lets point to the play where Fewell had Fenner line up against Bryant for some unknown reason).
Do we have the most talented defense in the league? Of course not. But lets not make it seem like its the worst collection of talent in the league. Did we ever think that Fewell may not get the most of what he is given? If the same problems occur game after game, year after year, and Fewell is the only constant..... well you can do the math.
Your the one who pointed out that SF has 3 all pro players injured and yet fail to realize you are comparing a DC with that kind of talent to one that can easily say he never had that on one team.
Your the one who pointed out that SF has 3 all pro players injured and yet fail to realize you are comparing a DC with that kind of talent to one that can easily say he never had that on one team.
And why is SF still playing good defense without those 3 players? All I said was every team has injuries. SF is missing 3 of their top players and they are still doing well. We are missing our nickel corner and our defense is shit.
We lost both nickel corners. Thurmond and McBride are on IR. We have one good safety. Do we have any good linebackers?
Fangio is a very good DC, but he does have good players. Willis only missed the Denver game. He's played in all the others. Justin Smith is very good. Bethea has played really well. I would take Fangio over Fewell easily but this idea that good DC's can just turn shitty personnel into good defenses isn't true.
We lost both nickel corners. Thurmond and McBride are on IR. We have one good safety. Do we have any good linebackers?
Ok and we lost McBride for 1 game. Whats the excuse for all the other games, if we are going to use that reasoning with Willis?
Bethea was not even that good before this year, but maybe his coordinator put him in a position to succeed? Maybe coaching can make players better. For the majority of the year, he had JPP, Hankins, Jenkins, Ayers playing at a very high level. He has had a very good Prince. He has Rolle. DRC for the majority of the year.
You cannot have all-pros at every level of the defense. And its just not the personnel this year. Its been every year, albeit 6 games. Good QBs make our defense look very bad. Yes, we can dominate bad-to-average QBs. But his defense is based off getting sacks and turnovers. Good QBs dont turn it over at the rate we need to win games. And in the new style of offenses teams run, getting sacks is harder and harder to get.
We lost both nickel corners. Thurmond and McBride are on IR. We have one good safety. Do we have any good linebackers?
Ok and we lost McBride for 1 game. Whats the excuse for all the other games, if we are going to use that reasoning with Willis?
Bethea was not even that good before this year, but maybe his coordinator put him in a position to succeed? Maybe coaching can make players better. For the majority of the year, he had JPP, Hankins, Jenkins, Ayers playing at a very high level. He has had a very good Prince. He has Rolle. DRC for the majority of the year.
You cannot have all-pros at every level of the defense. And its just not the personnel this year. Its been every year, albeit 6 games. Good QBs make our defense look very bad. Yes, we can dominate bad-to-average QBs. But his defense is based off getting sacks and turnovers. Good QBs dont turn it over at the rate we need to win games. And in the new style of offenses teams run, getting sacks is harder and harder to get.
Huh?
McBride was a starter for like a game and a half and then we lost him for the year. Patrick Willis is an all pro ILB. Not seeing any comparison at all.
SF has been without Willis for one game. He's still close to leading them in tackles this year.. you keep saying Fangio has been without all 3 LB's as if Willis hasn't played a down this year. He missed one game and their defense got annihilated in that game.
Bethea was pretty good in IND, Fangio didn't just turn him into a good player. He was good before he got there.
Stafford and Russell Wilson shredded us last year? Are they backup QB's?
Good QB's make most defenses look bad in this version of the NFL. This is what the league is. You have to be able to get pressure with your front.
How much better do you realistically expect this defense to be? With the players we have, I think we should be about league average and expect us to finish around there.
Just look at the 3 guys you mentioned for SF and tell me short of JPP who on the giants you would keep over them? It's your right not to like Fewell but you are comparing his D to a team that is loaded with talent at d, to say why can't he do the same job. That's unfair. Compare him to a similarly talented d and we can ask why he is under performing in comparison.
I find it hard to disagree with most of what you say. I think between you, JonC, Anish, RobbieBalls, Joey in Va and a few others I'm forgetting I always find myself shaking my head yes to what you guys are saying.
I will say this, to your last sentence. Rod Marinelli has done wonders with that shit of a squad he was given. He was literally given chicken shit and so far he's made foie gras out of it.
Just look at the 3 guys you mentioned for SF and tell me short of JPP who on the giants you would keep over them? It's your right not to like Fewell but you are comparing his D to a team that is loaded with talent at d, to say why can't he do the same job. That's unfair. Compare him to a similarly talented d and we can ask why he is under performing in comparison.
You are making my point for me. He doesnt have Bowman and Smith (and Willis for 1 game), and they are still a good defense outside 1 game.
I am not comparing defenses or coordinators when everyone is healthy. SF's defense looks decimated compared to ours, and they arent struggling. We are missing a nickel corner and our defense sucks.
So like I have said before do you want this same style of defense for years? Or do you want Fewell gone or Reese gone? Because its not good enough. Fewell coaches the defense, Reese brings in the players. One of the two have to change.
I just want the talent and the scheme to work. In this case every year since Coughlin we have had injuries that decimated one unit or another. We are hurt again this year, and the talent on the back end is not that good. We have been going for years without a good LB core and dedicating resources to the line. You ask me, i think we have a drafting problem and I would rather see Ross go.
I find it hard to disagree with most of what you say. I think between you, JonC, Anish, RobbieBalls, Joey in Va and a few others I'm forgetting I always find myself shaking my head yes to what you guys are saying.
I will say this, to your last sentence. Rod Marinelli has done wonders with that shit of a squad he was given. He was literally given chicken shit and so far he's made foie gras out of it.
I spent a good amount of time in another thread kind of debunking the whole Marinelli thing. I really don't think he's done quite as well as people think. On the surface, it all looks good but if you look a little deeper, you see that their offense is spending more time on the field per drive than any other offense in football. It's keeping them off the field.
Dallas' defense is giving up a fraction of a yard less per drive than our defense is. It's literally like 31.something vs. 31.something.. it's almost identical.
Dallas has 6 sacks TOTAL this year. We have more than twice that.
They're no better in forcing turnovers than we are (we have one more than they do, 13-12)
Their 3rd down defense is slightly below average (17th).. for comparison, we are 9th, IIRC.
The Dallas offense (top 5 NFL offense) is really the only reason Dallas' defense seems to be playing well. It's keeping their PA and YA numbers down a bit. That defense will get exposed by the end of the year, I guarantee it. It's smoke and mirrors.
How much better do you realistically expect this defense to be? With the players we have, I think we should be about league average and expect us to finish around there.
I expect them to domiante a decimated Atlanta's OL right form the gate. I expect them not to give up over 200 yards to a team who couldnt run the ball all year. I expect them to cover Calvin Johnson. I expect them to force Romo to throw an incompletion in a half.
Bad games happen. A game against Philly to me is expected due to the fact of the atmosphere and things snowballing. But game after game when it matters the most, we fail. Last year, the offense was god awful. But it mirrored the fact that our defense wasnt anything great either.
They sucked too.
I call it playing the shitty QBs effect (Cousins, Fitzpatrick).
We have played 4 good QBs this year:
Stafford - 22/32 346 yards 3 total TDs
Ryan - 29-45 316 yards 1 TD/1 INT
Foles - 21-34 248 yards 2 TDs/2 INTs
Romo - 17-23 279 yards 3 TDs/1 INT
Total
89-134 (66%) for 1,189 yards 9 TDs and 4 INTs
Theme of the Fewell era.
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I call it playing the shitty QBs effect (Cousins, Fitzpatrick).
We have played 4 good QBs this year:
Stafford - 22/32 346 yards 3 total TDs
Ryan - 29-45 316 yards 1 TD/1 INT
Foles - 21-34 248 yards 2 TDs/2 INTs
Romo - 17-23 279 yards 3 TDs/1 INT
Total
89-134 (66%) for 1,189 yards 9 TDs and 4 INTs
Theme of the Fewell era.
What's so impressive about Ryan or Foles' stat lines in those games? Those are basically average games for them. And if Rolle tackles Antoine Smith like he should have, you can shave about 60 yards off Ryan's total.
Good QB's get theirs against everyone.
Peyton just went 22-26 for 318 and 4 scores against Fangio's defense. I guess he can't coach.
See how easy this game is?
To lazy to look this up but I would guess a lot of these led to points...with the obvious exception of Foles.
I know for sure Romo's did(on the very next play a TD to Fells)and I assume most of the others did too.
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I call it playing the shitty QBs effect (Cousins, Fitzpatrick).
We have played 4 good QBs this year:
Stafford - 22/32 346 yards 3 total TDs
Ryan - 29-45 316 yards 1 TD/1 INT
Foles - 21-34 248 yards 2 TDs/2 INTs
Romo - 17-23 279 yards 3 TDs/1 INT
Total
89-134 (66%) for 1,189 yards 9 TDs and 4 INTs
Theme of the Fewell era.
What's so impressive about Ryan or Foles' stat lines in those games? Those are basically average games for them. And if Rolle tackles Antoine Smith like he should have, you can shave about 60 yards off Ryan's total.
Good QB's get theirs against everyone.
Peyton just went 22-26 for 318 and 4 scores against Fangio's defense. I guess he can't coach.
See how easy this game is?
Foles put up 27 points in 3 quarters against us, and basically stopped throwing at the end of half. And if we are going to hold up that if a guy made this tackle or that play, we are just making more excuses. Philly did whatever they wanted to against us, so did Detroit, so did Dallas, and Ryan for at least a half. But when it came to the Fitzpatricks (without his RB), Cousins, and Drew Stanton - our defense looked legit.
And I dont know why you are bringing up the SF defensive coordinator against Peyton when he is missing three 1st team all- pro players at 3 important positions. But hey, if we need to defend Fewell more, lets use a crippled defense against the league's best player. Stafford has had two good games all year. Us and the Jets. Nothing to hold our hat on.
Lets not act we shut him down. And you are right good QBs do get theirs. They just get theirs plus some against us.
We're down half our DB's, we've basically never had our starting MIKE (he's been a liability when he's played and probably won't again this year) we just lost a starting DT, etc.
We can throw a DC with the most "exotic" blitzes on the planet on our sidelines right now, this defense isn't going to be much better.
Tell me why you think Seattles defense went from elite and intimidating to.. good... in just 1 year with the same DC. What's the constant and what's the variable?
Oh the lack of talent thing again.... thats right. Well I believe JPP/Rolle are all-pro type players. And DRC is a pretty decent player himself.
Lets not act we shut him down. And you are right good QBs do get theirs. They just get theirs plus some against us.
No, we didn't shut him down. How many teams these past 2 years have?
When you lay an egg on offense, can't put anything together and keep giving the ball right back to the Eagles, what do you think is going to happen.
This has a lot to do with why people think Dallas has a good defense. Their offense is keeping them off the field every week.
We're down half our DB's, we've basically never had our starting MIKE (he's been a liability when he's played and probably won't again this year) we just lost a starting DT, etc.
We can throw a DC with the most "exotic" blitzes on the planet on our sidelines right now, this defense isn't going to be much better.
Tell me why you think Seattles defense went from elite and intimidating to.. good... in just 1 year with the same DC. What's the constant and what's the variable?
We lost our nickel corner(s). And last time I checked that isnt crippling. DRC has been banged up, but has played in the majority of the games. I dont wnat to hear the excuses for Beason. We didnt have him in training camp, preseason, and the majority of this season. And to be honest, he is only a fair player at this point anyways. And we lost Jenkins for a total of 1 half.
If we are going to compare those injuries to that of Aldon Smith, Patrick Willis, and Navarow Bowman - well thats just plain silly.
We are 24th in YPG on defense, 20th in PPG - and thats with playing 3 out of 7 games against three really bad QBs. Every team has injuries. Every team guys banged up. We consistently get shit on by good to great QBs. I have done this stat every year for 3 years now, and all I get is excuses why its not Fewell's fault.
Can we just all agree that he is at best an average coordinator (lets be honest, he really isnt average) and the defense has underperformed since 2012 against QBs who are actually good?
Against who and when? And what plays does JPP take off? And what team has all-pros at every position?
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I think Fewell wishes he had 3 all pro players on his D.
Oh the lack of talent thing again.... thats right. Well I believe JPP/Rolle are all-pro type players. And DRC is a pretty decent player himself.
DRC is playing hurt(as are a lot of players around the league and a lot of defenses suck)they have lost 2 nickel backs have no LB's and a starting safety who should only be on specials. JPP is playing better but does not dominate and the rest of the line, Hankins possibly excluded, are average at best.
Not a Fewell apologist but there isn't a lot of talent on this defense.
Great stats, not so great record.
How well is San Francisco's defense playing right now?
And if you don't think losing your 3rd CB(and his replacement)in this league isn't crippling you must have missed all the recent rule changes.
So he had a bad game agaisnt Peters. HE didnt have many more of them this year includign against Dallas, where he dominated Tyron Smith.
We have no safeties, we have no LBs, we have none of this.
How about this, our defensive coordinator, just may be in fact.... not very good?
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If we are going to compare those injuries to that of Aldon Smith, Patrick Willis, and Navarow Bowman - well thats just plain silly.
How well is San Francisco's defense playing right now?
And if you don't think losing your 3rd CB(and his replacement)in this league isn't crippling you must have missed all the recent rule changes.
If you are going to compare losing Thurmond/McBride to what SF lost, yes - I am going to say its plain silly.
And by the way.... SF has given up the 2nd fewest YPG in the NFL. So I think the comparing them to the Giants is fucking stupid.
So he had a bad game agaisnt Peters. HE didnt have many more of them this year includign against Dallas, where he dominated Tyron Smith.
We have no safeties, we have no LBs, we have none of this.
How about this, our defensive coordinator, just may be in fact.... not very good?
I didn't say JPP wasn't playing well I merely stated he doesn't dominate and he doesn't. DC's don't have sleepless nights worrying about JPP.
I don't think Fewell is a good DC, but you made a comment about lazy analysis, right? Well putting it all on the DC is kind of lazy too.
It isn't the fault of one person. From the front office down to the last player this defense has not done well.
And DRC being on the field doesn't do much if he's playing at about 50% and can't even play more than 20 snaps. There's a huge difference between what he's giving us now and what he was giving us a few weeks ago.
This defense is far less talented than you think.
Like I said.. there's a reason why Seattle is a solid defense right now compared to the elite defense they were last year and it has nothing to do with Dan Quinn.
Again, look at the big picture and see with your eyes not your heart. Yes losing Smith means you lose a better player than McBride, but it is a team game and all the pieces, all of them, have to work well.
Fewell may be gone soon but I am not sure it will change much.
And I backed up my information with stats. I mean, what other excuses are we going to have for him? He had a magical 6 game run in 2011. The magic kind of ended there though.
And DRC being on the field doesn't do much if he's playing at about 50% and can't even play more than 20 snaps. There's a huge difference between what he's giving us now and what he was giving us a few weeks ago.
This defense is far less talented than you think.
Like I said.. there's a reason why Seattle is a solid defense right now compared to the elite defense they were last year and it has nothing to do with Dan Quinn.
JPP hasnt been one of the best DEs in football this year? Seriously? I guess we only judge him by sack numbers?
He's been up and down against the pass.
I wonder why the defense suddenly looked so good.
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So I think the comparing them to the Giants is fucking stupid.
Again, look at the big picture and see with your eyes not your heart. Yes losing Smith means you lose a better player than McBride, but it is a team game and all the pieces, all of them, have to work well.
Fewell may be gone soon but I am not sure it will change much.
If losing Trumaine McBride and Walter Thurmond is what we are hanging our hats on why the defense sucks - where are we going? I dont even recall even a slot WR having a big game against us anyways (oh thats right, lets point to the play where Fewell had Fenner line up against Bryant for some unknown reason).
Do we have the most talented defense in the league? Of course not. But lets not make it seem like its the worst collection of talent in the league. Did we ever think that Fewell may not get the most of what he is given? If the same problems occur game after game, year after year, and Fewell is the only constant..... well you can do the math.
I wonder why the defense suddenly looked so good.
So we lost a nickel corner, a LB that we never had, and our one corner has been dinged and its ok for the defense to go to shit?
Lets go back to the SF defensive coordinator. Why are they 2nd in the NFL in YPG at just a shade over 300 yards?
And why is SF still playing good defense without those 3 players? All I said was every team has injuries. SF is missing 3 of their top players and they are still doing well. We are missing our nickel corner and our defense is shit.
Fangio is a very good DC, but he does have good players. Willis only missed the Denver game. He's played in all the others. Justin Smith is very good. Bethea has played really well. I would take Fangio over Fewell easily but this idea that good DC's can just turn shitty personnel into good defenses isn't true.
Ok and we lost McBride for 1 game. Whats the excuse for all the other games, if we are going to use that reasoning with Willis?
Bethea was not even that good before this year, but maybe his coordinator put him in a position to succeed? Maybe coaching can make players better. For the majority of the year, he had JPP, Hankins, Jenkins, Ayers playing at a very high level. He has had a very good Prince. He has Rolle. DRC for the majority of the year.
You cannot have all-pros at every level of the defense. And its just not the personnel this year. Its been every year, albeit 6 games. Good QBs make our defense look very bad. Yes, we can dominate bad-to-average QBs. But his defense is based off getting sacks and turnovers. Good QBs dont turn it over at the rate we need to win games. And in the new style of offenses teams run, getting sacks is harder and harder to get.
A lot of teams would love to have the talent we have one defense. Are you saying this defense has had no talent for years now?
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We lost both nickel corners. Thurmond and McBride are on IR. We have one good safety. Do we have any good linebackers?
Ok and we lost McBride for 1 game. Whats the excuse for all the other games, if we are going to use that reasoning with Willis?
Bethea was not even that good before this year, but maybe his coordinator put him in a position to succeed? Maybe coaching can make players better. For the majority of the year, he had JPP, Hankins, Jenkins, Ayers playing at a very high level. He has had a very good Prince. He has Rolle. DRC for the majority of the year.
You cannot have all-pros at every level of the defense. And its just not the personnel this year. Its been every year, albeit 6 games. Good QBs make our defense look very bad. Yes, we can dominate bad-to-average QBs. But his defense is based off getting sacks and turnovers. Good QBs dont turn it over at the rate we need to win games. And in the new style of offenses teams run, getting sacks is harder and harder to get.
Huh?
McBride was a starter for like a game and a half and then we lost him for the year. Patrick Willis is an all pro ILB. Not seeing any comparison at all.
SF has been without Willis for one game. He's still close to leading them in tackles this year.. you keep saying Fangio has been without all 3 LB's as if Willis hasn't played a down this year. He missed one game and their defense got annihilated in that game.
Bethea was pretty good in IND, Fangio didn't just turn him into a good player. He was good before he got there.
Stafford and Russell Wilson shredded us last year? Are they backup QB's?
Good QB's make most defenses look bad in this version of the NFL. This is what the league is. You have to be able to get pressure with your front.
How much better do you realistically expect this defense to be? With the players we have, I think we should be about league average and expect us to finish around there.
I will say this, to your last sentence. Rod Marinelli has done wonders with that shit of a squad he was given. He was literally given chicken shit and so far he's made foie gras out of it.
You are making my point for me. He doesnt have Bowman and Smith (and Willis for 1 game), and they are still a good defense outside 1 game.
I am not comparing defenses or coordinators when everyone is healthy. SF's defense looks decimated compared to ours, and they arent struggling. We are missing a nickel corner and our defense sucks.
So like I have said before do you want this same style of defense for years? Or do you want Fewell gone or Reese gone? Because its not good enough. Fewell coaches the defense, Reese brings in the players. One of the two have to change.
Give me Reese and a new coordinator.
I will say this, to your last sentence. Rod Marinelli has done wonders with that shit of a squad he was given. He was literally given chicken shit and so far he's made foie gras out of it.
I spent a good amount of time in another thread kind of debunking the whole Marinelli thing. I really don't think he's done quite as well as people think. On the surface, it all looks good but if you look a little deeper, you see that their offense is spending more time on the field per drive than any other offense in football. It's keeping them off the field.
Dallas' defense is giving up a fraction of a yard less per drive than our defense is. It's literally like 31.something vs. 31.something.. it's almost identical.
Dallas has 6 sacks TOTAL this year. We have more than twice that.
They're no better in forcing turnovers than we are (we have one more than they do, 13-12)
Their 3rd down defense is slightly below average (17th).. for comparison, we are 9th, IIRC.
The Dallas offense (top 5 NFL offense) is really the only reason Dallas' defense seems to be playing well. It's keeping their PA and YA numbers down a bit. That defense will get exposed by the end of the year, I guarantee it. It's smoke and mirrors.
How much better do you realistically expect this defense to be? With the players we have, I think we should be about league average and expect us to finish around there.
I expect them to domiante a decimated Atlanta's OL right form the gate. I expect them not to give up over 200 yards to a team who couldnt run the ball all year. I expect them to cover Calvin Johnson. I expect them to force Romo to throw an incompletion in a half.
Bad games happen. A game against Philly to me is expected due to the fact of the atmosphere and things snowballing. But game after game when it matters the most, we fail. Last year, the offense was god awful. But it mirrored the fact that our defense wasnt anything great either.