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shuckinfit : 10/23/2014 1:54 am
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Who covers Calvin Johnson?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/23/2014 11:24 am : link
You can expect it, sure, but there isn't a very long list of teams that have successfully done it.
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arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 11:28 am : link
We actually did it quite well last year when we shadowed him with Prince and bracketed him over the top with a safety and used 3 safeties all game.

Funny what happens when you go from having 3 safeties who can play to 1. I guess it limits what you can do.
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dep026 : 10/23/2014 11:32 am : link
In comment 11936869 arcarsenal said:
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We actually did it quite well last year when we shadowed him with Prince and bracketed him over the top with a safety and used 3 safeties all game.

Funny what happens when you go from having 3 safeties who can play to 1. I guess it limits what you can do.


Excuse number 1,456,325,637 for Fewell. Now we need 3 great safeties, competent LBs, 3 All pro-players, and the great nickel corners ever in order for his defense to succeed.
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arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 11:38 am : link
Oy vey.. you are the king of exaggeration.

Barely anyone in this league stops Calvin Johnson is the point. Using not being able to cover the most gifted, dominant WR in the sport as some indictment on our coaches is laughable.

But again. We were much more effective in doing it last year than we were this year and I just told you why. We had a good gameplan against him last year that we were not able to replicate because of personnel. If you read the transcripts, Merritt even says they'd like to use 3 safeties more this year.. obviously they haven't and it's pretty obvious why that is.

And I'm making excuses by saying having competent linebackers is probably an important component in having a good NFL defense?

Alright, then.
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arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 11:56 am : link
Let's flip it and put it this way.

Our offense is also bottom 3rd of the league right now in points and yards just like our defense is.

Do you fault McAdoo for that or do you feel like we don't have the horses (weak interior OL, no Jennings these past 2 games, lost Cruz) ?

I don't blame the coordinator. I think his offense will work fine but I think we're undermanned to be an upper tier NFL offense right now. I'm going to bet that you think the personnel has more to do with the offensive problems than McAdoo.

I didn't love Gilbrides system, but when we had the right personnel, it did work.

It's the same shit on both sides of the football.
Giants rank  
bignygfan : 10/23/2014 12:12 pm : link
6th in opponent passer rating at 82.7.

So yes, QBs 'light us up.'

We had some idiot here talking about how great the Jets were. Jets opponents have 18 TDs and one INT.
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arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 12:19 pm : link
Seattle was tops in the league in passer rating against last year at 65.4

Now they're 28th at a whopping 103.7

Quinn must have forgot how to coach defense.
RE: Giants rank  
dep026 : 10/23/2014 12:21 pm : link
In comment 11936949 bignygfan said:
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6th in opponent passer rating at 82.7.

So yes, QBs 'light us up.'

We had some idiot here talking about how great the Jets were. Jets opponents have 18 TDs and one INT.


Yep thats exactly what I said. Maybe quote what I actually said before making idiotic comments.
Seattle also has the Super Bowl hangover to contend with  
Greg from LI : 10/23/2014 12:26 pm : link
In any case, their track record in recent seasons on defense sure beats the Giants', so they get more of the benefit of the doubt. I know the Giants' end of season rankings last year were pretty good but that was clearly significantly affected by the number of lousy backup QBs they faced.
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arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 12:29 pm : link
Alright, then what's Carolina's excuse?

9th last year (81.4), 26th this year (100.3)

2nd in PA and YA last year, 29th and 27th so far this year.
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dep026 : 10/23/2014 12:35 pm : link
In comment 11937004 arcarsenal said:
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Alright, then what's Carolina's excuse?

9th last year (81.4), 26th this year (100.3)

2nd in PA and YA last year, 29th and 27th so far this year.


Whats our excuse? Going by you, its all Reese's fault because he doesnt bring talent in.
Alrite  
bignygfan : 10/23/2014 12:37 pm : link
Stafford and Romo killed us.

No other QB has played well against us this year.
The numbers back that up. Period.

Your move, dickhead.
RE: Alrite  
dep026 : 10/23/2014 12:39 pm : link
In comment 11937033 bignygfan said:
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Stafford and Romo killed us.

No other QB has played well against us this year.
The numbers back that up. Period.

Your move, dickhead.


lol, You;re right. Foles was awful against us when he was going up and down the field at will. 174 yards and 2 TDs at half is for shit players. Good try. Run along. This is for adults only.

Amd 29-45 for 316 yards is horrible? Again.....you arent ready for this thread.
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arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 12:43 pm : link
In comment 11937024 dep026 said:
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In comment 11937004 arcarsenal said:


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Alright, then what's Carolina's excuse?

9th last year (81.4), 26th this year (100.3)

2nd in PA and YA last year, 29th and 27th so far this year.



Whats our excuse? Going by you, its all Reese's fault because he doesnt bring talent in.


Is it possible for you to argue without gross hyperbole... ever? You just got on someone for misquoting you and you've done it to me like 3 times in this discussion alone.

I don't think it is ALL anyone's fault. Reese can't prevent injuries so losing those players are not his fault. But between the players AND the injuries, I think the talent has generally been average/below average on the defensive side of the football.

My assertions make sense because I keep showing you defenses who, with the same exact DC's, have shown radical changes in performance. If the DC is the constant, doesn't that tell you the players on the field are the reason for the difference much more than the coach?

I think DC's have impact, but you clearly think they have way more than I do.

Point blank, I am asking you.. what is your explanation for a team like Carolina going from an elite defense to garbage in one year if McDermott was the DC there last year and is still the guy there this year? How do you realistically say the coach is the reason for the massive dip? It doesn't add up.
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dep026 : 10/23/2014 1:55 pm : link
In comment 11937051 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 11937024 dep026 said:


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In comment 11937004 arcarsenal said:


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Alright, then what's Carolina's excuse?

9th last year (81.4), 26th this year (100.3)

2nd in PA and YA last year, 29th and 27th so far this year.



Whats our excuse? Going by you, its all Reese's fault because he doesnt bring talent in.



Is it possible for you to argue without gross hyperbole... ever? You just got on someone for misquoting you and you've done it to me like 3 times in this discussion alone.

I don't think it is ALL anyone's fault. Reese can't prevent injuries so losing those players are not his fault. But between the players AND the injuries, I think the talent has generally been average/below average on the defensive side of the football.

My assertions make sense because I keep showing you defenses who, with the same exact DC's, have shown radical changes in performance. If the DC is the constant, doesn't that tell you the players on the field are the reason for the difference much more than the coach?

I think DC's have impact, but you clearly think they have way more than I do.

Point blank, I am asking you.. what is your explanation for a team like Carolina going from an elite defense to garbage in one year if McDermott was the DC there last year and is still the guy there this year? How do you realistically say the coach is the reason for the massive dip? It doesn't add up.


There could be a lot of reasons. Obviously the loss of Hardy and their pass rush has suffered. I havent watched a lot of Carolina games from lsat year to this year so its impossible for me to say how.

I do watch a lot of Giants games and notice that we have the same problems year in and year out. Its not like there are different problems that causes our defense to be below average. We still have miscommunications in the secondary. We still cant blitz effectively. We still cant cover TE problems. Some of it is a Reese problem since we do have holes. Some of it is a Fewell problem because its the same problems year in and year out.

I am not really worried about why some teams last year were good and why they arent this year. Its been 7 games, so even with Fewell we should wait until the end of the year to make a decision with him. But I am not buying a few injuries are why we struggle consistently against good QBs. Bad games happen, no doubt about it. But the bottom line is this.... when it was 28-21 against Dallas and we kicked off.... were you confident that the Giants could get a stop so our offense can win the game? I wasnt, BBI wasnt, and deep down you knew they werent getting the stop. To me.... thats a huge problem.
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arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 2:16 pm : link
In comment 11937173 dep026 said:
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Alright, then what's Carolina's excuse?

9th last year (81.4), 26th this year (100.3)

2nd in PA and YA last year, 29th and 27th so far this year.



Whats our excuse? Going by you, its all Reese's fault because he doesnt bring talent in.



Is it possible for you to argue without gross hyperbole... ever? You just got on someone for misquoting you and you've done it to me like 3 times in this discussion alone.

I don't think it is ALL anyone's fault. Reese can't prevent injuries so losing those players are not his fault. But between the players AND the injuries, I think the talent has generally been average/below average on the defensive side of the football.

My assertions make sense because I keep showing you defenses who, with the same exact DC's, have shown radical changes in performance. If the DC is the constant, doesn't that tell you the players on the field are the reason for the difference much more than the coach?

I think DC's have impact, but you clearly think they have way more than I do.

Point blank, I am asking you.. what is your explanation for a team like Carolina going from an elite defense to garbage in one year if McDermott was the DC there last year and is still the guy there this year? How do you realistically say the coach is the reason for the massive dip? It doesn't add up.



There could be a lot of reasons. Obviously the loss of Hardy and their pass rush has suffered. I havent watched a lot of Carolina games from lsat year to this year so its impossible for me to say how.

I do watch a lot of Giants games and notice that we have the same problems year in and year out. Its not like there are different problems that causes our defense to be below average. We still have miscommunications in the secondary. We still cant blitz effectively. We still cant cover TE problems. Some of it is a Reese problem since we do have holes. Some of it is a Fewell problem because its the same problems year in and year out.

I am not really worried about why some teams last year were good and why they arent this year. Its been 7 games, so even with Fewell we should wait until the end of the year to make a decision with him. But I am not buying a few injuries are why we struggle consistently against good QBs. Bad games happen, no doubt about it. But the bottom line is this.... when it was 28-21 against Dallas and we kicked off.... were you confident that the Giants could get a stop so our offense can win the game? I wasnt, BBI wasnt, and deep down you knew they werent getting the stop. To me.... thats a huge problem.


I see every team have miscommunications, though. This isn't something that only happens to us. All of these things.. I just have a hard time with assumptions. Assumptions like we have more miscommunications than most teams. How do we know that? We really don't. I'd like to see none of them but I don't know how realistic that is.

As for getting a stop towards the end of the game, I honestly have no faith in ANY NFL defense (with very few exceptions) in those situations. Time and time again, I see offenses go right down field in this league when the defense needs a stop the most. It's frustrating, I think it does happen to our defense more than it should but again.. I don't know what I'm comparing to.

And with good QB's.. there are a bunch of guys in this league who put up big numbers most years. They don't only compile against bad teams, they do it against nearly everyone. How many times a year do you actually see a Peyton or Rodgers or Luck.. or Brees, etc.. really get shut down? There's a reason these QB's throw so many TD passes every year. They do it to everyone.

The way the league is structured now, the best I feel I can realistically hope for is to just slow these guys down enough to give ourselves a chance.

If you can't get to the QB with your front 4, good luck. It's really the only way to combat big time passing offense in this league.

I don't care if Fewell stays or goes after the year - I am just prepared to watch the same issues if we field a similar team next year because a lot of them won't change.
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BrettNYG10 : 10/23/2014 2:23 pm : link
I think Fewell's average - our defense's performance is pretty much directly in line with what I'd expect given the talent we have on defense.

There are very few coaches that can consistently get more out of their talent would suggest on defense, and I think most of those guys are already head coaches.
I have to agree with Arc....  
BillKo : 10/23/2014 2:32 pm : link
....you can't really expect to stop Dallas at crunch, they have too many weapons.

Not many teams are capable, unless they are getting a pass rush and/or the offensive teams shoots itself in the foot.

Even with nice coverage on the first third down conversion by the Cowboys on that drive, they still got the first down...Romo delivered a perfect low, inside throw to Bryant.
RE: I have to agree with Arc....  
dep026 : 10/23/2014 2:39 pm : link
In comment 11937226 BillKo said:
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....you can't really expect to stop Dallas at crunch, they have too many weapons.

Not many teams are capable, unless they are getting a pass rush and/or the offensive teams shoots itself in the foot.

Even with nice coverage on the first third down conversion by the Cowboys on that drive, they still got the first down...Romo delivered a perfect low, inside throw to Bryant.


The score behalf the half, the score after half, and the drive to end the game were all drives that could have swung the tide of the game. You dont expect them to get stops every time, but there are times when some drives are bigger than the others.
Matt Ryan  
bignygfan : 10/23/2014 3:31 pm : link
threw for one score with a 7.02 YPA against us.

Foles had a 79.0 rating and a 7.29 YPA.

Learn the game. Then come play in my world.
Also the title of the thread  
bignygfan : 10/23/2014 3:38 pm : link
is interceptions.

Guess what that is? That's a good play the defense makes and counts as a bad play for the QB that throws it.

Hope that helps when you factor in starts and just throw out passing yards.
back to the topic of our defense's interceptions  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/23/2014 3:55 pm : link
it makes it even more frustrating that our defense is so inept at scoring. No one would criticize a defense for forcing too many turnovers. But the only way that turnovers guarantee points is when the defenses takes them to the house.

This ties in with the detailed analysis I've done over the years regarding our inability to score special teams touchdowns.

Since Fewell took over as DC for the 2010 season, the Giants defense has 5 defensive touchdowns-- 3 INT-TDs, and 2 Fumble TDs.[b]

The other teams in the NFC East over that period.
Redskins- [b]14
(9 pick-6s,5 fumble for TDs)
Cowboys- 14 (8 pick-6s, 6 fumble TDs)
Eagles- 11 (4 pick-6s, 7 fumble TDs)

For the Redskins and Cowboys, that averages out to an extra 2 defensive TDs per season compared with the Giants. That's hypothetically 2 more games per season that the team gets a free 7 points.

It's even worse when you factor in our special teams shameful production over the years).

I don't know if it's scheme related, or just lacking good enough athletes in our back seven, but there may not be an offense in the league over the last several years who gets less scoring help than the Giants.
sorry  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/23/2014 3:56 pm : link
about the formatting
RE: back to the topic of our defense's interceptions  
BillKo : 10/23/2014 4:17 pm : link
In comment 11937320 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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it makes it even more frustrating that our defense is so inept at scoring. No one would criticize a defense for forcing too many turnovers. But the only way that turnovers guarantee points is when the defenses takes them to the house.

This ties in with the detailed analysis I've done over the years regarding our inability to score special teams touchdowns.

Since Fewell took over as DC for the 2010 season, the Giants defense has 5 defensive touchdowns-- 3 INT-TDs, and 2 Fumble TDs.[b]

The other teams in the NFC East over that period.
Redskins- [b]14 (9 pick-6s,5 fumble for TDs)
Cowboys- 14 (8 pick-6s, 6 fumble TDs)
Eagles- 11 (4 pick-6s, 7 fumble TDs)

For the Redskins and Cowboys, that averages out to an extra 2 defensive TDs per season compared with the Giants. That's hypothetically 2 more games per season that the team gets a free 7 points.

It's even worse when you factor in our special teams shameful production over the years).

I don't know if it's scheme related, or just lacking good enough athletes in our back seven, but there may not be an offense in the league over the last several years who gets less scoring help than the Giants.


Isn't that only about 1.5 points per game (which may be significant). Does that improve scoring rank?

It seems this season, at least, our picks have set us in great position to score (last week, certainly Houston).
I remember Mundy taking one back to like.. the 1 yard line last year.  
arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 5:30 pm : link
And the offense still couldn't score a TD.
RE: Matt Ryan  
dep026 : 10/23/2014 6:19 pm : link
In comment 11937297 bignygfan said:
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threw for one score with a 7.02 YPA against us.

Foles had a 79.0 rating and a 7.29 YPA.

Learn the game. Then come play in my world.


Sorry I didn't want to play in a world where we judge qbs based on qbr on 1 game performances. It's lazy and doesn't prove anything. Eli is averaging 7 YPA this year. Guess he sucks too... huh?
let's make everyone happy:  
santacruzom : 10/23/2014 10:45 pm : link
1) We don't have a defense with above average collective talent, AND

2) we don't have an above average DC.

Everyone cool?
LB is the problem on this team  
msh : 10/26/2014 6:58 am : link
this isnt the 86 or 90 giants that had all pro LB's across the board,they have one very good LB beason but he isnt durable enough and doesnt even begin to compare to any of the 86 or 90 corps

granted those teams had the best Lb to ever play the game plus all pro's like harry carson the fact is the nfl is reflecting the college game,its about DL,corners,wideouts and allout passing the RB and LB to cover them are diminishing year on year.

the last really top shelf LB to enter the nfl was luke kuechly a couple of years ago the rest are either slow or DE/LB tweeners there just isnt the prospects worth drafting in round 1 anymore what LB there have been we wouldnt have wanted t'eo,hightower,burfecit etc we all busts and never looked like being anything else

the biggest problem i have is the system fewell uses where they hand off pass coverages and all too often this breaks down allowing WR to waltz thru the secondry uncovered far too often,there is no disguise to the coverage either time and again they run a motion route prior to the snap and its obvious its some kind of tampa 2/zone whn nobody goes with the motion route

then theres the personel choices where you have a promising guy like hankins last year and moore this year under used while they play the likes of ayers and patterson instead,the angles they run are weak and the tackling even more so winning that superbowl kept fewell in a job and that wasnt a good thing for the giants or what is quite a talented group, at least better than they are showing us for yet another year under fewell

i love tom coughlin and we wouldnt have had the success or those superbowl wins without him,i just feel its time for a change of head coach,macadoo has shown enough that he needs to stay,fewell needs to go and a defence minded head coach and a new defnsive coordinator needs to come in someone who will run the ball with williams and jennings and play stiffer defence especially in the running game where they have been gashed far too often far too easily constistantly under fewell

they need to sign jpp and prince to new deals and build around them and i would also like them to resign thurmond and mcbride to new deals
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