Was listening to the Papa-Banks broadcast while rewatching the game last night and taking notes and heard Banks threw a stat out there very quietly that didn't lead to any further discussion as they went to commercial.
Through 7 games, the Giants defense has allowed 13 drives of 80 or more yards for touchdowns, nearly two per game.
So I was curious to compare it to last season to see what the numbers were.
Turns out, through ALL 16 games last year, it happened a grand total of 10 times.
So they are on pace to shatter last year's totals.
Dug a little deeper:
Last year, the defense allowed 7 rushes of 20+ yards all season.
Through 7 games this year, they have already allowed 7.
Separately, the Giants this year are tied for last in the NFL in rushes allowed of 10 or more yards with 28.
Last year, the defense gave up only 11 pass plays of 30+ yards through all 16 games.
This year, it is already happened 9 times and we still have 9 games to go. If you bring it to pass plays of 25+ yards, they have allowed 16, ranking them 29th in the NFL.
Last year, the defense through 7 games allowed 5.11 yards per play (2556 yards/500 plays = 5.11). For that season, they allowed only 4.89 yards per play (5335 yards/1089 plays) over 16 games.
Giants defense this year is #30 in the NFL in yards per play allowed with 6.17. (2691 yards/436 plays = 6.17)
Outside of their improved numbers on 3rd down this year (47.2% on 108 attempts through 7 games in 2013 to 37.5% on 88 attempts in 2014), almost everything else across the board has fallen off a cliff on defense from last year.
The one fear I had going into the season was that the defense played so well last year that it was going to be hard to duplicate two years in a row. If they played to less than that, the team was going to be in big trouble when you factor in their lack of talent issues that we have discussed over the months here. Looking back, that was one hell of a job by the players and the staff.
Still a ways to go here for it to play out and hopefully correct this. But so far, it is not a pretty picture on the side of the ball we thought would carry the team this season folks.
The O has been fine, especially when factoring in the injuries. The D has underachieved. If the Giants want to have a decent season the D needs to step things up and fast.
For example, posters are extolling how well Manning is doing this year, and he is compared to his career numbers. However, he is currently the 13th ranked qb this year- near middle of the pack despite some his good personal numbers.
Our passing game is ranked 20th in passing yards.
So, I have no doubt that the defense has worse numbers than last year- I am guessing that is the case with lots of teams. It may change if the weather turns ugly. Some of these high-flying passing games may flutter back down to earth in the cold, rain and snow.
For example, posters are extolling how well Manning is doing this year, and he is compared to his career numbers. However, he is currently the 13th ranked qb this year- near middle of the pack despite some his good personal numbers.
Our passing game is ranked 20th in passing yards.
So, I have no doubt that the defense has worse numbers than last year- I am guessing that is the case with lots of teams. It may change if the weather turns ugly. Some of these high-flying passing games may flutter back down to earth in the cold, rain and snow.
Hey HomerJones here to shit on Eli. Go figure.
Actually, depending on what stats/sites you use. Eli is ranked as high as 5th in some aspects. Big leads and shitty OLine play against Philly has skewed his yards. Here is a PFF view...
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb
Some stats he is 10-11, some stats he is as high as 5. Maybe we should stop looking at stats and realize that Eli is playing fantastic this year and if the OL and defense can follow suit, we may win some games this year.
Imagine this squad without Eli? How can you objectively rank a QB anyway? So much is predicated on the performance of others.
Personally I think he is playing very well and he is the perfect guy to lead this new group and develop a culture of winning. This is a very young offense.
Against any above average to great QB though, the opposition may as well leave the punter home.
Riggies cited some interesting Eli stats on another thread: He's below average in YPA (24th), below average in YPG (25th), and mediocre at completion % (15th). DVOA is 13th.
Eli does not compare that well to other QBs - and I don't think it's his fault. It's a poor O-line, the loss of his top WR and top RB and the absence of Beckham in the beginning that are contributing to it.
The YPA is about as bad as last year and pretty terrible. We have no downfield passing attack.
But our D has never been really good when we don't get a lot of sacks.
same with Eli... Giants went from a downfield passing team to a west coast short passing game.
Corey Webster after 2 games never appeared again and was replaced by Aaron Ross for 2 games (vs. CAR and KC), and was then replaced by McBride and was then replaced for one game by Terrell Thomas (vs. CHI) before McBride returned back to the lineup.
Spencer Paysinger was the starting MLB for the next 4 1/2 games after Dan Connor injured himself in the 1st half of the 1st game at Dallas. Oh the pain...
Ryan Mundy was the starting safety for 7 games before Will Hill eventually took his job in the 8th game.
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offense is up this year around the league and sacks are down.
For example, posters are extolling how well Manning is doing this year, and he is compared to his career numbers. However, he is currently the 13th ranked qb this year- near middle of the pack despite some his good personal numbers.
Our passing game is ranked 20th in passing yards.
So, I have no doubt that the defense has worse numbers than last year- I am guessing that is the case with lots of teams. It may change if the weather turns ugly. Some of these high-flying passing games may flutter back down to earth in the cold, rain and snow.
Hey HomerJones here to shit on Eli. Go figure.
Actually, depending on what stats/sites you use. Eli is ranked as high as 5th in some aspects. Big leads and shitty OLine play against Philly has skewed his yards. Here is a PFF view...
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb
Some stats he is 10-11, some stats he is as high as 5. Maybe we should stop looking at stats and realize that Eli is playing fantastic this year and if the OL and defense can follow suit, we may win some games this year.
I don't see how any reasonable person could say that anything I wrote in a discussion about the defense was critical of Manning.
Half of the season?
Are we sure this isn't a little hyperbole? By unofficial count, I tracked 3 backup QB's (vs. MIN, GB and WSH), which was then adjusted to 5 if you factor in the two Eagles games where Vick got hurt and Foles replaced him in game 1 and Barkley replaced him in game 2.
I'm not counting the Raiders game in this because not only did Pryor start the season, but he also started the week before against the Eagles, who themselves faced 4 backup QB's for full games last season as well.
Riggies cited some interesting Eli stats on another thread: He's below average in YPA (24th), below average in YPG (25th), and mediocre at completion % (15th). DVOA is 13th.
Eli does not compare that well to other QBs - and I don't think it's his fault. It's a poor O-line, the loss of his top WR and top RB and the absence of Beckham in the beginning that are contributing to it.
The YPA is about as bad as last year and pretty terrible. We have no downfield passing attack.
Tied for 22 with 18 20 plus plays.
Tied for 21st with 2 40 plus plays.
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We're just not hitting on big plays downfield. I haven't looked at numbers but I am almost certain we are near the bottom of the league in 20+ yard pass plays.
Tied for 22 with 18 20 plus plays.
Tied for 21st with 2 40 plus plays.
Not many big plays and giving up a lot. Disaster.
In their own NFC East, they have made the 29 big plays (10+ yard runs & 25+ passes), the fewest in the division. Yet, they have given up 44, the most of anyone in the division by. The next highest team has 34.
The only thing saving them from complete chaos is they haven't turned it over like crazy just yet. But even as of now, they are averaging nearly 2 per game.
A team with literally no margin of error in these games doing all of this stuff. No way you can win this way. You just can't.
cannot stand Fewell's philosophy waiting for mistakes. if the other team doesn't make them, we get killed. he blitzes less than any pro defensive coordinator you'll ever see
for a guy that only rushes 4, to give up that many big plays is ridiculous
cannot stand Fewell's philosophy waiting for mistakes. if the other team doesn't make them, we get killed. he blitzes less than any pro defensive coordinator you'll ever see
We had the 14th highest blitz% in football last year.
I love when people just fucking make things up to support their own ideas. Stop being lazy and do some research before you make statements that are not true.
There is not a correlation between blitzing and good defense.
Most teams that were below average at getting pressure without a blitz were also below average at getting pressure with one.
I cannot stress this enough.. you HAVE to be able to get pressure with your front 4. It is the reason our defense was so good during the Super Bowl runs and why we won those Super Bowls.
3rd down and I just sit there hoping they can make a stop; occasionally they do, but not nearly enough to build any confidence as a fan; and I'm sure all 53 feel the same way.
Almost 60 years of fandom I've seen this way too often: 2-3 years of hoping, then the FO finally recognizes it and it takes 2-3 years of talent acquisition to fix it(both sides of the ball),so this next offseason and the one after will be critical.
Hopefully we catch lightening in a bottle with a few players who step up better and/or quicker and contribute like '07.
3rd down and I just sit there hoping they can make a stop; occasionally they do, but not nearly enough to build any confidence as a fan; and I'm sure all 53 feel the same way.
Almost 60 years of fandom I've seen this way too often: 2-3 years of hoping, then the FO finally recognizes it and it takes 2-3 years of talent acquisition to fix it(both sides of the ball),so this next offseason and the one after will be critical.
Hopefully we catch lightening in a bottle with a few players who step up better and/or quicker and contribute like '07.
The Giants are 9th in the NFL in 3rd down defense.
In regards to the blitzing percentages, I wonder how much we blitz on 3rd and 6 or more vs the rest of the league? I wonder how much we rush 3 in third and 10 vs the rest of the league? In watching the games, it certainly appears that teams blitz more than we do on third and long. We had one effective blitz from Demps, who missed the tackle on the first TD drive, but that was on second down. On third and long, low and behold we dropped Cullen Freaking Jenkins into pass coverage and give up an easy 24 yard TD. Pretty dumb if you ask me.
As I mentioned on the Spags thread a few days ago you can't just have a mix of players out there just for the sake of and that's what it seems like. It's gotta be the best 4 and it doesn't just have to be 3rd down when we run 4 aces aka NASCAR. Look at the snaps and QB pressures by the 7 Dlineman with at least 25% of passing snaps played.
Player......Snaps....QB Pressures
JPP..................219..............23
Kiwi.................197..............15
Ayers................136..............19
Jenkins..............133..............12
Hankins..............118..............13
Patterson.............76...............3
Moore.................73..............11
Damontre Moore has nearly as many QB pressures as Kiwi despite playing roughly a third of the passing snaps and less snaps on passing downs than the rest. In fact he's third in the league among 4-3 DE's in Pass Rush Productivity (at least 25% of snaps) behind Tyrone Crawford and Cameron Wake, who start. He also does it playing each side about an equal amount of times while JPP and Kiwi for the most part stay to one, even though they've shown the ability to play opposite in the past.
Furthermore, Kiwi who is 2nd in passing snaps is sixth in productivity in front of only Mike Patterson. Yet we keep putting him out there. Hankins is third but we take him out on almost every obvious passing 3rd down in favor of either four DE's or Cullen Jenkins.
These are the kind of things that frustrate me with Fewell because not only is it obvious watching the game, there are clear numbers to back it up, yet we do the same thing expecting different results.
Maybe we should have allocated more resources to safety this year?
Several teams we've played this year (Philly, in particular, who had soooo many offensive snaps against us) played at a pace that made substitutions nearly impossible. I don't have the stats in front of me, but Moore probably didn't get many snaps at all, because whoever got in a game against Philly was staying in for the length of a drive, for the most part.
And Philly may be the most extreme example, but not the only one. You can't just pop players in and out - you have to consider the cost of substituting players that way.
Also, you have to remember that it is common for a player who doesn't get a lot of snaps to have a high level of effectiveness in those reduced snaps. Why would that be? What makes us think that the effectiveness would continue if the snap count was doubled, or tripled?
I'm not excusing Fewell, just trying to point out that while your stats are interesting, on their own they might suggest solutions that aren't necessarily correct.
cannot stand Fewell's philosophy waiting for mistakes. if the other team doesn't make them, we get killed. he blitzes less than any pro defensive coordinator you'll ever see
for a guy that only rushes 4, to give up that many big plays is ridiculous
I'm not sure what you are trying to say.
They rushed 4 last year and the results were far better. This year they are doing the same thing and the results are far worse. Same coach, different results. I don't believe he suddenly became dumb overnight.
Again, the defense has been on the field 64 plays LESS this year than last year (A full games worth considering they are averaging 62.2 plays per game this year) and almost everything is worse in all categories through 7 games.
Again, they had Paysinger, Mundy and "Fill in player here" at CB for those 7 games playing significant time last year and the results were better than they are now.
How some of you guys lay a shit defense at the feet of the O is beyond my understanding. The problem with our defense begins with Perry Fucking Fewell.