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NFT: Anyone try "Kalettes" yet?

DanMetroMan : 10/23/2014 12:39 pm
You cannot escape kale. Not only is it in your smoothies and your toner, and is your new niece’s name, but now kale is mating with your Brussels sprouts.

Kalettes, a new hybrid veggie of kale and Brussels sprouts—which took 15 years to develop, say growers—are available for the first time in the U.S. this fall.

Unlike the new-to-market BroccoLeaf, which is a naturally-occurring veggie, Kalettes were developed through hybridization. The resulting Kalettes look like tiny bunches of cabbage and taste sweet and nutty, according to people who’ve gotten their hands on them: They’ve been available in the U.K. for a while, where they’re called Flower Sprouts (how cute!).

(I'm not as obsessed with Kale as some people are but I love Brussels sprouts)
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Women in NYC  
natefit : 10/23/2014 12:40 pm : link
life for Kale. Its nuts
We grow a lot of kale  
Randy in CT : 10/23/2014 12:44 pm : link
had crappy luck growing brussell sprouts. I think my wife might fill our fridge with this new hybrid.
Nate-  
DanMetroMan : 10/23/2014 12:45 pm : link
"Mark my words: Pumpkin is the new kale.
@bittman, New York Times columnist and cookbook author"
"you cannot escape kale"?  
Greg from LI : 10/23/2014 12:47 pm : link
Man, and you guys call Florida weird?
woof  
whobetta : 10/23/2014 12:47 pm : link
kale is so gross... i hate its bitterness...
My daughter loves brussels sprouts, I'll have to find these  
jcn56 : 10/23/2014 1:01 pm : link
thanks for the heads-up Dan.
I wonder what people who hate  
kickerpa16 : 10/23/2014 1:02 pm : link
GMO's think...
Silly conflation  
Overseer : 10/23/2014 1:17 pm : link
there are notable differences between "hybrid'ing" and GMOs. Principally that one is very low-tech, can be done with little more than dirt, and breeds together similar organisms. While the other is far more advanced, likely done in a lab, and fuses 2 or more very different things.

Detrimental to the pro-GMO'ers' worthwhile arguments to conflate the two.
Perhaps you haven't read the studies  
kickerpa16 : 10/23/2014 1:19 pm : link
where most anti-GMO activists don't know the difference?

It seems as if you don't...
Don't = haven't.  
kickerpa16 : 10/23/2014 1:21 pm : link
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RE: My daughter loves brussels sprouts, I'll have to find these  
DanMetroMan : 10/23/2014 1:22 pm : link
In comment 11937086 jcn56 said:
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thanks for the heads-up Dan.


No problem. I love most veggies and this sounded interesting.
I'd actually love to deep fry this fucker  
kickerpa16 : 10/23/2014 1:23 pm : link
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RE: Perhaps you haven't read the studies  
DanMetroMan : 10/23/2014 1:23 pm : link
In comment 11937107 kickerpa16 said:
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where most anti-GMO activists don't know the difference?

It seems as if you don't...


The term GMO is flawed, plain and simple. Hybrid vegetables have been around since modern farming began and these are the result of GMO's. More sucinctly-

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Kimi Harris, a mommy blogger over at Mother Nature Network, says she’ll “be sure to try it.” She reassures readers that they have nothing to be afraid of hybrid vegetables:

And no, in case you’re wondering, hybrid vegetables are not the same as genetically modified crops. While genetically modified vegetables have been changed or tampered within their DNA, hybrid vegetables are created by simply cross breeding compatible plants.

Why isn’t there any resistance to this vegetable? Kalettes are a hybrid vegetable and clearly a product of genetic modification. But because the new hybrid was developed using traditional breeding methods, it doesn’t face the same resistance that genetically engineered crops do.

This is where the widespread use of the term “genetically modified” fails. The popular term GMOs, for genetically modified organisms, usually refers specifically to transgenic or cisgenic organisms, in which one or a few genes were transferred from another organism, or turned on or off to help the organism express particular desired genetic traits. The term implies that only these organisms and crops have been genetically modified. However, GMOs should really refer to all domesticated crops since agriculture began 10,000 years ago. Humans have completely changed crops through selecting, crossing and breeding, exposing to chemicals or radiation, and manipulating individual genes.
RE: I'd actually love to deep fry this fucker  
jcn56 : 10/23/2014 1:24 pm : link
In comment 11937113 kickerpa16 said:
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That's kinda harsh - what'd Dan ever do to you!
RE: RE: Perhaps you haven't read the studies  
kickerpa16 : 10/23/2014 1:26 pm : link
In comment 11937114 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 11937107 kickerpa16 said:


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where most anti-GMO activists don't know the difference?

It seems as if you don't...



The term GMO is flawed, plain and simple. Hybrid vegetables have been around since modern farming began and these are the result of GMO's. More sucinctly-



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Kimi Harris, a mommy blogger over at Mother Nature Network, says she’ll “be sure to try it.” She reassures readers that they have nothing to be afraid of hybrid vegetables:

And no, in case you’re wondering, hybrid vegetables are not the same as genetically modified crops. While genetically modified vegetables have been changed or tampered within their DNA, hybrid vegetables are created by simply cross breeding compatible plants.

Why isn’t there any resistance to this vegetable? Kalettes are a hybrid vegetable and clearly a product of genetic modification. But because the new hybrid was developed using traditional breeding methods, it doesn’t face the same resistance that genetically engineered crops do.

This is where the widespread use of the term “genetically modified” fails. The popular term GMOs, for genetically modified organisms, usually refers specifically to transgenic or cisgenic organisms, in which one or a few genes were transferred from another organism, or turned on or off to help the organism express particular desired genetic traits. The term implies that only these organisms and crops have been genetically modified. However, GMOs should really refer to all domesticated crops since agriculture began 10,000 years ago. Humans have completely changed crops through selecting, crossing and breeding, exposing to chemicals or radiation, and manipulating individual genes.



Good article, and it expresses my point for me.
To kicker's point though, some people tend to latch on to concepts  
jcn56 : 10/23/2014 1:27 pm : link
they don't fully understand and have a hard time letting go.

I had someone last weekend refuse to eat some watermelon we cut (nice guests, eh?) because she doesn't eat GMOs. No amount of trying to convince her that it's not GMO'd, just your standard hybrid fruit, was going to work. Not even Google ('how do I know that site is reliable?').

More watermelon for me I guess.
RE: To kicker's point though, some people tend to latch on to concepts  
kickerpa16 : 10/23/2014 1:29 pm : link
In comment 11937121 jcn56 said:
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they don't fully understand and have a hard time letting go.

I had someone last weekend refuse to eat some watermelon we cut (nice guests, eh?) because she doesn't eat GMOs. No amount of trying to convince her that it's not GMO'd, just your standard hybrid fruit, was going to work. Not even Google ('how do I know that site is reliable?').

More watermelon for me I guess.


One of my friends is a strict vegan, because veggies "don't scream" when you eat them.

Well, needless to say, a horror film scream track when she's eating is now the go-to play.
I guess tomacco is a no go, then  
Greg from LI : 10/23/2014 1:31 pm : link
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RE: I guess tomacco is a no go, then  
DanMetroMan : 10/23/2014 1:36 pm : link
In comment 11937128 Greg from LI said:
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There is at least 1 place in the city with Tobacco flavored Ice cream lol
RE: RE: To kicker's point though, some people tend to latch on to concepts  
Randy in CT : 10/23/2014 1:41 pm : link
In comment 11937123 kickerpa16 said:
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In comment 11937121 jcn56 said:


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they don't fully understand and have a hard time letting go.

I had someone last weekend refuse to eat some watermelon we cut (nice guests, eh?) because she doesn't eat GMOs. No amount of trying to convince her that it's not GMO'd, just your standard hybrid fruit, was going to work. Not even Google ('how do I know that site is reliable?').

More watermelon for me I guess.



One of my friends is a strict vegan, because veggies "don't scream" when you eat them.

Well, needless to say, a horror film scream track when she's eating is now the go-to play.
Were you guys eating raw cows in front of her again? I'm with her--that's gross!
RE: RE: I guess tomacco is a no go, then  
Greg from LI : 10/23/2014 1:44 pm : link
In comment 11937144 DanMetroMan said:
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There is at least 1 place in the city with Tobacco flavored Ice cream lol


Tastes like grandma!
RE: Perhaps you haven't read the studies  
Overseer : 10/23/2014 1:56 pm : link
In comment 11937107 kickerpa16 said:
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where most anti-GMO activists don't know the difference?

It seems as if you don't...

Dan's right that the nomenclature is misleading. Obviously selectively bred bananas or w/e are also changed "genetically".

An argument to convince anti-GMO'ers that (what we call) "GMOs" are not deleterious should begin with why they're not deleterious and why they're helpful, not with how they're modified just as Kalettes are modified. Extremely different processes. That is, if one is trying to advance the good that "GMOs" can do and not just making fun of granola moms.
I do a ton of education on this, as well as  
kickerpa16 : 10/23/2014 2:13 pm : link
making fun of granola moms.
RE: I do a ton of education on this, as well as  
dep026 : 10/23/2014 2:16 pm : link
In comment 11937204 kickerpa16 said:
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making fun of granola moms.


granola is soo good though. Kudos to moms who eat granola.... haha
Yeah they are pretty funny  
Overseer : 10/23/2014 2:23 pm : link
Potentially hot though, so long as you catch them on "shower day".
RE: Perhaps you haven't read the studies  
BMac : 10/23/2014 2:46 pm : link
In comment 11937107 kickerpa16 said:
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where most anti-GMO activists don't know the difference?

It seems as if you don't...


kicker: Thanks for making the cogent point. I was going to, but now I can sit back and let you take all the shit. Ain't life grand?
Hah. You haven't taken shit until you've presented this  
kickerpa16 : 10/23/2014 2:50 pm : link
at a local Farmer's Market...
RE: Hah. You haven't taken shit until you've presented this  
BMac : 10/23/2014 3:03 pm : link
In comment 11937255 kickerpa16 said:
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at a local Farmer's Market...


I had the good fortune to be berated at a Christmas dinner by a bunch of vegans about drinking wine because, "it has animal products in it."

They were referring to fining agents used to clarify some types of wine. Fish bones is a traditional fining agent. It adds nothing to the wine at all; it just helps remove impurities. Of course this ricocheted off them.

I wonder if they gave any further thought to it while riding home in a car with leather upholstery?
While a don't doubt the veracity of your tale  
Overseer : 10/23/2014 3:15 pm : link
for every annoying and nosy vegan, there are many more who quietly do their thing and don't care what other people eat.

And many take a commensurate amount of shit from nosy carnivores eternally perplexed that people don't eat like them.
I*, not a  
Overseer : 10/23/2014 3:16 pm : link
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RE: While a don't doubt the veracity of your tale  
BMac : 10/23/2014 3:34 pm : link
In comment 11937279 Overseer said:
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for every annoying and nosy vegan, there are many more who quietly do their thing and don't care what other people eat.

And many take a commensurate amount of shit from nosy carnivores eternally perplexed that people don't eat like them.


I have no problem with anyone who doesn't try to push their lifestyle on me. I don't do it to others, and don't tolerate them doing it to me or those around me.

This group was of the particularly smarmy type, proselytizing and holding themselves up as the arbiters of all that is right/wrong about everyone else's lifestyle while violating their own code for the sake of personal comfort. Not a pleasant encounter, and not one that went toward furthering their cause.
Kale is so  
Bill in UT : 10/24/2014 1:14 am : link
2013
Vegans are great  
mrvax : 10/24/2014 8:46 am : link
more meat for the carnivores. Thank you!
Love Kale  
spike : 10/24/2014 8:53 am : link
. My GI tract prefers it
as Woody said when tasting Veggie Boy  
Greg from LI : 10/24/2014 8:58 am : link
Wow, you can really taste the kale!
I can't eat kale or brussel sprouts  
buford : 10/24/2014 8:59 am : link
so I'll probably pass on the kalettes.
Turip greens, radish greens, and beet greens  
BlueLou : 10/24/2014 11:35 am : link
kick the living shit outta kale.
As for Brussels sprouts,  
BlueLou : 10/24/2014 11:39 am : link
Nobody besides jcn's daughter likes 'em. Unless you drown them in bacon fat or bechamel and cheese or some other prep that makes them less healthy than a Margarita pizza.
RE: As for Brussels sprouts,  
Bill in UT : 10/24/2014 4:30 pm : link
In comment 11938528 BlueLou said:
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Nobody besides jcn's daughter likes 'em. Unless you drown them in bacon fat or bechamel and cheese or some other prep that makes them less healthy than a Margarita pizza.


I never liked them, but lately, cut in half, coated with oil and some cumin powder and roasted, they're not bad
...  
redbeard : 10/24/2014 4:37 pm : link
kale, kielbasa, red potatoes, carrots, onion, cannellini beans and some chicken stock makes an awesome soup.
that soup  
pjcas18 : 10/24/2014 4:47 pm : link
sounds awesome.

like kale, don't love it. like it sauteed with a little garlic or in a soup, more than Kale chips. but one of my favorites is collard greens and kale seems like it's trying to be collard greens and just can't compete with the big boy. Kale is healthier, but it's not like collard greens are pepperoni pizza.

brussel sprouts taste like aspirin.

last thanksgiving I made brussel sprouts in cheese sauce. Not even f-ing cheese sauce could save them.

this year since we're hosting again I might actually try and deep fry them - and then put the cheese sauce on.

only the old people ate them which is a sign they're just not good, old people eat anything.

Unrelated  
DanMetroMan : 10/24/2014 6:47 pm : link
to Kale, tried Duck hearts last night, I loved them, girlfriend HATED them lol
Hearts? If you're gonna eat organs from a duck go for the friggen  
BlueLou : 10/25/2014 1:46 am : link
livers. Almost as good as fois gras.
RE: Hearts? If you're gonna eat organs from a duck go for the friggen  
Bill in UT : 10/25/2014 9:11 am : link
In comment 11939347 BlueLou said:
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livers. Almost as good as fois gras.


Making roast duck tonight. How do you do the livers, Lou?
Pardon if too late Bill, but I like all livers  
BlueLou : 10/25/2014 1:47 pm : link
of birds prepared pretty much the same way. Seared in a fry pan in very hot clarified butter or evoo, then the pan deglazed with a bit of demi glace (or just strong stock) some minced shallots, raspberry vinaigre or balsamic, a bit of wine (sweet wine if a non sweet raspberry vinaigre or dry wine if balsamic, and it should be good wine or port or sherry) and then the glazing sauce reduced and finally mounted with a small amount of cold butter off of the heat. Garnish with a bit of minced fines herbs or dust the livers with Chinese 5 spice before sauteing.

Return the livers briefly to the sauce if the have cooled or are not quite yet properly cooked which is med rare. Never overcook them; at med well or more they become bitter and dry.
RE: As for Brussels sprouts,  
jcn56 : 10/25/2014 2:25 pm : link
In comment 11938528 BlueLou said:
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Nobody besides jcn's daughter likes 'em. Unless you drown them in bacon fat or bechamel and cheese or some other prep that makes them less healthy than a Margarita pizza.


You're not kidding. I make them for her, and then have to make another veggie for everyone else. It's bizarre - my kids will eat just about all foods, but brussels sprouts are a no-go for all but her.

Personally, not a huge fan - but I make 'em the same way I would broccoli rabe, but with a twist. I cut 'em, nuke 'em with a little water to steam them a bit, toss them with some olive oil and garlic in a saute then let 'em sit under the broiler for 2-3 minutes to char the tops. Drowned in garlic, not bad at all. And if you want to spice it up a bit, toss some sambal oelek in there with it and go for broke.
RE: Pardon if too late Bill, but I like all livers  
Bill in UT : 10/25/2014 7:18 pm : link
In comment 11939569 BlueLou said:
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of birds prepared pretty much the same way. Seared in a fry pan in very hot clarified butter or evoo, then the pan deglazed with a bit of demi glace (or just strong stock) some minced shallots, raspberry vinaigre or balsamic, a bit of wine (sweet wine if a non sweet raspberry vinaigre or dry wine if balsamic, and it should be good wine or port or sherry) and then the glazing sauce reduced and finally mounted with a small amount of cold butter off of the heat. Garnish with a bit of minced fines herbs or dust the livers with Chinese 5 spice before sauteing.

Return the livers briefly to the sauce if the have cooled or are not quite yet properly cooked which is med rare. Never overcook them; at med well or more they become bitter and dry.


Thanks, Lou. Sounds great
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