As a Yankee fan, I don't blame him for the lack of hitting. I also don't mind letting him go, as when you don't win, changes have to be made. But every player seems to rave about him. I think the Mets got a good one. Link - ( New Window )
Definitely not a coincidence. When you have a team with nearly every guy (at least every regular guy) over 30, it's no coincidence when they perform below their career levels.
When Long is trying to teach hitters how to beat the shift Â
Stan. It had nothing to do with the fact that the only starter under 30 was a guy who toiled in the minor leagues and offense is down from a few years ago.
Gee, how could Derek Jeter be hitting under his career average? Must be Kevin Long.
Stan pissing on it makes me think this is a good move for the Mets. Â
but to completely absolve him of all responsibility is ludicrous. His firing has more to do with results over the course of several seasons, not just this past one.
When is the last time this team over performed, offensively? They have been awful situational hitters and as much as we want to blame it all on the players, he gets paid, too. Paid for results
but to completely absolve him of all responsibility is ludicrous. His firing has more to do with results over the course of several seasons, not just this past one.
When is the last time this team over performed, offensively? They have been awful situational hitters and as much as we want to blame it all on the players, he gets paid, too. Paid for results
It's not his fault Beltran is old and gets hurt. It's certainly not his fault Teixeira is too hard-headed to adjust to the shift. Hitting coaches don't make Kevin Maas into Albert Pujols.
but to completely absolve him of all responsibility is ludicrous. His firing has more to do with results over the course of several seasons, not just this past one.
When is the last time this team over performed, offensively? They have been awful situational hitters and as much as we want to blame it all on the players, he gets paid, too. Paid for results
This. It was far from one bad year, otherwise they wouldn't have fired him.
RE: When Long is trying to teach hitters how to beat the shift Â
but of being arrogant, stubborn, extremely rich guys with long term contracts who have done it one way for a career and aren't willing to struggle a while until they learn something new...old dog and new tricks kind of thing.
I liked how hard Long worked and think that he's really competent. Perhaps this move will shake some of the veterans up enough to make changes, but imo benching some of the geriatric brigade for younger players would be a more convincing method.
below the age of 30? Gardner? that is a pretty long time is it not? The fact that just about every hitter is over the hill is not Long's fault. That is on management for failing to develop prospects sooner then they currently have.
RE: when is the last time the Yankees have developed a hitting prospect Â
below the age of 30? Gardner? that is a pretty long time is it not? The fact that just about every hitter is over the hill is not Long's fault. That is on management for failing to develop prospects sooner then they currently have.
It also doesn't mean the offense should underperform for as long as it has. I'm not saying he is entirely to blame. But he also wasn't part of the solution.
I like Long and don't want to pile on, but come on now. Tell me one player that came to the Yankees from another team and became a better hitter because of Kevin Long? Just one. And since you think it's all about age, and never Longs fault, we can go the other way too. Tell me one player that left the Yankees and became a worse hitter because he wasn't around Kevin Long?
Long is a hard worker and a great guy. All true. It was also time to move on. For all involved.
long definitely should have found the fountain of youth and made players over the age of 35 perform to their career morms. What a fucking piece of shit that Long is.
Or took it, and decided it wasn't working, and then went back to what he was doing? Something like that. Long was an ARod guy. Don't think he and Derek really hit it off.
culpable for signing players into over their prime contracts? Cashman also went through a long drought of not developing any useful young hitters at the major league level. That is exactly why the Yankees offense has stunk the past 2 years.
Still doesn't mean Long was part of the solution. Two weeks ago when the Yankees fired him, everyone was on board with it. Now, it's a problem? That's like the Giants firing a position coach and Giants fans all of a sudden getting pissed because the Jets hired him. Silly.
but to completely absolve him of all responsibility is ludicrous. His firing has more to do with results over the course of several seasons, not just this past one.
When is the last time this team over performed, offensively? They have been awful situational hitters and as much as we want to blame it all on the players, he gets paid, too. Paid for results
"Mets to decide if they want all their lefties to become 100% pull hitters" http://nomaas.org/2014/10/mets-to-decide-if-they-want-all-their-lefties-to-become-100-pull-hitters/ - ( New Window )
LOL. I wasn't even taking that into consideration.
“I’m trying to hit line drives, hit balls in the alley, hit home runs,” Teixeira said. “When I start trying to hit groundballs the other way, it’s time for me to retire.”
“I’m trying to hit line drives, hit balls in the alley, hit home runs,” Teixeira said. “When I start trying to hit groundballs the other way, it’s time for me to retire.”
Yep, this is somehow Kevin Long's fault.
I'm not sure what this quote has to do with Kevin Long, but if you're suggesting that Long was asking Teix to hit ground balls, that's a freakin joke. He was trying to get Teix to hit line drives and hit the ball to the alleys, which Teix says he was trying to do. But he simply couldn't do it. Yet, in Texas, that's exactly what he did.
I'm glad that you look at this as some kind of positive for Kevin Long. I guess as the hitting coach, he should have no responsibility whatsoever for the production of ANY offensive players. What a life
But I haven't missed watching a Yankee game since 2008. Kevin Long is
Overrated. He hasn't done anything that is worthy of his salary. Everyone wanted him gone. He is the Perry Fewell of the Yankees.
That is impressive, like you were there for the middle of Jeter's career to his last at bat. Man you must have some great stories of those glorious years
Teixeira. No hitting coach is going to drastically change what they do or their mindsets for how they approach hitting. Blaming the hitting coach when they don't perform is foolish, especially for a team with so many older players.
The Yankees firing the hitting coach and giving the GM an extension was asinine.
Is all about no unnecessary motion in your swing,quiet at the plate. I was never a big fan of that and believed guys who move the bat around before they swing have a better swing. Compared to guys who just hold the bat still and then swing. Easier to stay in motion to swing then start from a dead stop. JMHO.
90 feet to be like that little league right field in Yankee Stadium. It is a joke
Little league?
You know it's close to the same distance as YS was.
The difference is the manual scoreboard that brought the dimensions in a about 5 ft. Talking to hitters who have said there is a airstream to right center more at YS2 than YS.
All I know is when the Mets go to Yankee Stadium Â
for Inter League, they all of a sudden start hitting home runs, they leave, they stop hitting home runs again
The last few years a lot of that had to do with Yankees pitching too.
We have been without an ace since CC broke down. Hopefully Tanaka and Pineda can boost that next year with Lester hopefully in the rotation. ;)
Along with moving in the fences, this is part of his campaign to sell more tickets by convincing fans that next season will see more HRs and a more exciting brand of baseball.
If Kevin Long's name was Kevin Short, he never would have been hired.
Yup changed a good average hitter to a hr or strikeout hitter. Same with Tex
LOL, when the hell was Grandy ever a good average hitter? I'm sure the Mets talked to Grandy before hiring him, so I doubt Grandy has a problem with Long.
But I do agree with one of your comments, all this for a hitting coach? Much ado about nothing.
from the insecure fans about anything Mets related makes me think this is a good move for the Mets
Lol. So you're convinced that we are insecure because we are having a debate on his tenure with the Yankees?
Haha. Oh, the irony
Not the debate on his tenure with the Yankees but the same insecure douchebags that always try to knock the Mets for whatever they do or call them second class in a clear attempt to try and make themselves feel inferior. If you are one of these people, then I certainly don't expect you to understand. Its the dork that we all know that puts on a Yankee hat to try and associate themselves with a winner, trying to fool everyone that they aren't just a dork in a Yankee hat. The same type of guy who tries to brag about what a big dick he has when everyone else clearly knows the truth. If you're secure about something then you don't need to talk about it or try to knock someone else down. The majority of people here know exactly what I'm talking about.
Long didn't get fired because the offense, without Cano, sucked this year. He got fired because the offense has sucked for a few years now. This year, almost every player in the lineup played well below his career numbers. When Jeter stopped listening to Long a couple of years ago, he turned a slow start into a renaissance season, and on and on. Long may have been a nice guy and hard working, but he was a terrible coach.
Those years when the Yankees had a top MLB offense with him there, none of the hitters listened to him, they just did their own thing, right? Or they were still using old approaches. But when they sucked, it was because they were taking his crappy advice. Right?
I love when people make definitive statements about things like this. How the hell do you know as a fan that he's a "terrible" hitting coach?
Curtis Granderson had the best season of his career under Long. Â
Have enough access to determine how much of a factor the hitting coach is. You just have to trust that management has a good feel for when it's time to make a change.
It might be more of a personality thing than anything. I'm sure all pro hitting coaches have a great knowledge of the fundamentals. Sometimes you just need a different approach.
Among the Yankees players we can look at last season, Â
no one can tell Jeter and Suzuki how to hit. Tex and Beltran weren't healthy. But Ellsbury, Gardner and McCann should have been the guys carrying the team. None of them had bad years, but they all could have hit better. So, as a Mets fan, I'm concerned about Long.
If you are concerned about the impact or lack thereof Â
of a hitting coach, you are worrying about a non factor. The only hitting coach that made a name for his approach was Charlie Lau. I always though hitting coaches were drinking buddies of the manager on the road.
RE: Among the Yankees players we can look at last season, Â
no one can tell Jeter and Suzuki how to hit. Tex and Beltran weren't healthy. But Ellsbury, Gardner and McCann should have been the guys carrying the team. None of them had bad years, but they all could have hit better. So, as a Mets fan, I'm concerned about Long.
Give me a fucking break. Ellsbury has been the model of inconsistency his entire career. And he would be far from the first player to "underperform" during the first year of a big contract on a new team.
McCann #s were the similar to his last two years with Atlanta, with 2013 being slightly better. Did Long coach him in Atlanta also? And again, he was a 9 year veteran catcher on the first year of a big contract on a new team in a new league. I really dont know what Yankee fans were expecting. A sudden resurgence from a catcher with a lot of miles logged?
Bret Gardner? Really? Gardner just had one his best years statistically and he is far from a special player. So, im not quite sure where you are going with that one.
Granderson had his best years under Long and then his absolute worst year the second he left. But Long doesnt get that credit, right?
This thread is too much...over a fucking hitting coach??? But I'll tell you one thing, it's the exact over the top response that is typical from Yankee fans for anything Mets-related. Never ceases to amaze me.
Long was promoted to hitting coach for the New York Yankees in 2007. Long guided a Yankees offense that ranked first in MLB in runs (968), hits (1,656), home runs (201), RBIs (929), team batting average (.290), slugging percentage (.463), on-base percentage (.366) and total bases (2,649).[4] The 968 runs were the most in franchise history since 1937 (979). His offense also featured the American League MVP Alex Rodriguez, three Silver Sluggers (Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada and Rodriguez) and four of the American League's top-15 batting averages.
After a down year offensively in 2008, Long's Yankee hitters again led the league in offense during the 2009 season, in which they also won the franchise's 27th title, and lead theAmerican League in runs again.[5]
But sure, lets judge him on the last couple of years with an aging, injured, depleted lineup.
Sure seems like a lot of agita over a hitting instructor Â
Like I said, in 2007 and 2009, the hitters were ignoring Long and sticking with their own approaches. It was only when they struggled that they were listening to his shitty coaching. Awful coach.
from the insecure fans about anything Mets related makes me think this is a good move for the Mets
Lol. So you're convinced that we are insecure because we are having a debate on his tenure with the Yankees?
Haha. Oh, the irony
Not the debate on his tenure with the Yankees but the same insecure douchebags that always try to knock the Mets for whatever they do or call them second class in a clear attempt to try and make themselves feel inferior. If you are one of these people, then I certainly don't expect you to understand. Its the dork that we all know that puts on a Yankee hat to try and associate themselves with a winner, trying to fool everyone that they aren't just a dork in a Yankee hat. The same type of guy who tries to brag about what a big dick he has when everyone else clearly knows the truth. If you're secure about something then you don't need to talk about it or try to knock someone else down. The majority of people here know exactly what I'm talking about.
a different voice is needed so I'm not sad to see the Yankees move on from Long. But the arguments you guys are using to prove that he is a bad coach are hilarious. You can't honestly say that when X player did well, it was because they weren't listening to the hitting coach. That's just more typical bbi over-the-top-ism
from the insecure fans about anything Mets related makes me think this is a good move for the Mets
Lol. So you're convinced that we are insecure because we are having a debate on his tenure with the Yankees?
Haha. Oh, the irony
Not the debate on his tenure with the Yankees but the same insecure douchebags that always try to knock the Mets for whatever they do or call them second class in a clear attempt to try and make themselves feel inferior. If you are one of these people, then I certainly don't expect you to understand. Its the dork that we all know that puts on a Yankee hat to try and associate themselves with a winner, trying to fool everyone that they aren't just a dork in a Yankee hat. The same type of guy who tries to brag about what a big dick he has when everyone else clearly knows the truth. If you're secure about something then you don't need to talk about it or try to knock someone else down. The majority of people here know exactly what I'm talking about.
AMEN TO THIS!
Yeah, Mase knocked it out of the park on this one.
(Obviously wasn't listening to Long otherwise he would have grounded out to short.. LOL!!!)
RE: Among the Yankees players we can look at last season, Â
no one can tell Jeter and Suzuki how to hit. Tex and Beltran weren't healthy. But Ellsbury, Gardner and McCann should have been the guys carrying the team. None of them had bad years, but they all could have hit better. So, as a Mets fan, I'm concerned about Long.
He'll probably help the Mets, at least at first. He's not a bad hitting coach, but he's not great, either. We shall see. Either way, I'm glad he's not with the Yankees anymore. It was past due time for a change.
Long didn't get fired because the offense, without Cano, sucked this year. He got fired because the offense has sucked for a few years now. This year, almost every player in the lineup played well below his career numbers. When Jeter stopped listening to Long a couple of years ago, he turned a slow start into a renaissance season, and on and on. Long may have been a nice guy and hard working, but he was a terrible coach.
This.
RE: Sure seems like a lot of agita over a hitting instructor Â
lack of talent didn't help
Definitely not a coincidence. When you have a team with nearly every guy (at least every regular guy) over 30, it's no coincidence when they perform below their career levels.
Gee, how could Derek Jeter be hitting under his career average? Must be Kevin Long.
When is the last time this team over performed, offensively? They have been awful situational hitters and as much as we want to blame it all on the players, he gets paid, too. Paid for results
When is the last time this team over performed, offensively? They have been awful situational hitters and as much as we want to blame it all on the players, he gets paid, too. Paid for results
It's not his fault Beltran is old and gets hurt. It's certainly not his fault Teixeira is too hard-headed to adjust to the shift. Hitting coaches don't make Kevin Maas into Albert Pujols.
When is the last time this team over performed, offensively? They have been awful situational hitters and as much as we want to blame it all on the players, he gets paid, too. Paid for results
This. It was far from one bad year, otherwise they wouldn't have fired him.
Isn't that a sign of a team tuning out the coach? Blame whoever you want, but when this happens, it's time for a change
I liked how hard Long worked and think that he's really competent. Perhaps this move will shake some of the veterans up enough to make changes, but imo benching some of the geriatric brigade for younger players would be a more convincing method.
RofL laughing my ass off.
Bring in the fences again. Long is the worst hitting coach ever.
Among the top 9 Yankees in plate appearances (2013):
Ichiro
Overbay
Vernon Wells
Chris Stewart
Eduardo Nunez
Jayson Nix
Travis Hafner
ROFL!!! ROFLMAO!! so is my BFF!!!!!
RofL laughing my ass off.
Bring in the fences again. Long is the worst hitting coach ever.
Tally up another one that makes me like this move.
I'm sure you're well-versed in the background of every MLB hitting coach to the point where you can make that declaration.
Some people are so fucking stupid it makes my head hurt.
It also doesn't mean the offense should underperform for as long as it has. I'm not saying he is entirely to blame. But he also wasn't part of the solution.
McCann
Jeter
Tex
Swisher
Gardner
Arod
Martin
Solarte
Almonte
Stewart
Wells
Horrible the last three years
Long is a hard worker and a great guy. All true. It was also time to move on. For all involved.
McCann
Jeter
Tex
Swisher
Gardner
Arod
Martin
Solarte
Almonte
Stewart
Wells
Horrible the last three years
This is a hilarious list. Who was the Yankees hitting coach in 2012 when Derek Jeter led the majors in hits and hit .316?
Long take that year off?
He should help the mets
When is the last time this team over performed, offensively? They have been awful situational hitters and as much as we want to blame it all on the players, he gets paid, too. Paid for results
Yup.
Miguel Cabrera
Joey Bats
Curtis Granderson
http://nomaas.org/2014/10/mets-to-decide-if-they-want-all-their-lefties-to-become-100-pull-hitters/ - ( New Window )
LOL. I wasn't even taking that into consideration.
Yup changed a good average hitter to a hr or strikeout hitter. Same with Tex
Yep, this is somehow Kevin Long's fault.
Yep, this is somehow Kevin Long's fault.
I'm not sure what this quote has to do with Kevin Long, but if you're suggesting that Long was asking Teix to hit ground balls, that's a freakin joke. He was trying to get Teix to hit line drives and hit the ball to the alleys, which Teix says he was trying to do. But he simply couldn't do it. Yet, in Texas, that's exactly what he did.
I'm glad that you look at this as some kind of positive for Kevin Long. I guess as the hitting coach, he should have no responsibility whatsoever for the production of ANY offensive players. What a life
Overrated. He hasn't done anything that is worthy of his salary. Everyone wanted him gone. He is the Perry Fewell of the Yankees.
(It's a fucking hitting coach. Get over it)
Lol. So you're convinced that we are insecure because we are having a debate on his tenure with the Yankees?
Haha. Oh, the irony
You guys want to talk about sparky Lyle or catfish hunter,Greg nettles,billy Martin etc
The Yankees firing the hitting coach and giving the GM an extension was asinine.
damn you Long!!!!
but I'm assured now that Long is gone that a 31 year old catcher will IMPROVE and not decline..
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from the insecure fans about anything Mets related makes me think this is a good move for the Mets
Lol. So you're convinced that we are insecure because we are having a debate on his tenure with the Yankees?
Haha. Oh, the irony
Stop being so insecure, bro.
Little league?
You know it's close to the same distance as YS was.
The difference is the manual scoreboard that brought the dimensions in a about 5 ft. Talking to hitters who have said there is a airstream to right center more at YS2 than YS.
The last few years a lot of that had to do with Yankees pitching too.
We have been without an ace since CC broke down. Hopefully Tanaka and Pineda can boost that next year with Lester hopefully in the rotation. ;)
If Kevin Long's name was Kevin Short, he never would have been hired.
Yup changed a good average hitter to a hr or strikeout hitter. Same with Tex
LOL, when the hell was Grandy ever a good average hitter? I'm sure the Mets talked to Grandy before hiring him, so I doubt Grandy has a problem with Long.
But I do agree with one of your comments, all this for a hitting coach? Much ado about nothing.
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from the insecure fans about anything Mets related makes me think this is a good move for the Mets
Lol. So you're convinced that we are insecure because we are having a debate on his tenure with the Yankees?
Haha. Oh, the irony
Not the debate on his tenure with the Yankees but the same insecure douchebags that always try to knock the Mets for whatever they do or call them second class in a clear attempt to try and make themselves feel inferior. If you are one of these people, then I certainly don't expect you to understand. Its the dork that we all know that puts on a Yankee hat to try and associate themselves with a winner, trying to fool everyone that they aren't just a dork in a Yankee hat. The same type of guy who tries to brag about what a big dick he has when everyone else clearly knows the truth. If you're secure about something then you don't need to talk about it or try to knock someone else down. The majority of people here know exactly what I'm talking about.
I love when people make definitive statements about things like this. How the hell do you know as a fan that he's a "terrible" hitting coach?
Granderson with Tigers: 115 wRC+
Granderson with Yankees: 122 wRC+
Granderson was a better hitter with the Yankees than Tigers. So "Long ruined Granderson" isn't based in fact.
It might be more of a personality thing than anything. I'm sure all pro hitting coaches have a great knowledge of the fundamentals. Sometimes you just need a different approach.
Give me a fucking break. Ellsbury has been the model of inconsistency his entire career. And he would be far from the first player to "underperform" during the first year of a big contract on a new team.
McCann #s were the similar to his last two years with Atlanta, with 2013 being slightly better. Did Long coach him in Atlanta also? And again, he was a 9 year veteran catcher on the first year of a big contract on a new team in a new league. I really dont know what Yankee fans were expecting. A sudden resurgence from a catcher with a lot of miles logged?
Bret Gardner? Really? Gardner just had one his best years statistically and he is far from a special player. So, im not quite sure where you are going with that one.
Granderson had his best years under Long and then his absolute worst year the second he left. But Long doesnt get that credit, right?
This thread is too much...over a fucking hitting coach??? But I'll tell you one thing, it's the exact over the top response that is typical from Yankee fans for anything Mets-related. Never ceases to amaze me.
After a down year offensively in 2008, Long's Yankee hitters again led the league in offense during the 2009 season, in which they also won the franchise's 27th title, and lead theAmerican League in runs again.[5]
But sure, lets judge him on the last couple of years with an aging, injured, depleted lineup.
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from the insecure fans about anything Mets related makes me think this is a good move for the Mets
Lol. So you're convinced that we are insecure because we are having a debate on his tenure with the Yankees?
Haha. Oh, the irony
Not the debate on his tenure with the Yankees but the same insecure douchebags that always try to knock the Mets for whatever they do or call them second class in a clear attempt to try and make themselves feel inferior. If you are one of these people, then I certainly don't expect you to understand. Its the dork that we all know that puts on a Yankee hat to try and associate themselves with a winner, trying to fool everyone that they aren't just a dork in a Yankee hat. The same type of guy who tries to brag about what a big dick he has when everyone else clearly knows the truth. If you're secure about something then you don't need to talk about it or try to knock someone else down. The majority of people here know exactly what I'm talking about.
AMEN TO THIS!
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from the insecure fans about anything Mets related makes me think this is a good move for the Mets
Lol. So you're convinced that we are insecure because we are having a debate on his tenure with the Yankees?
Haha. Oh, the irony
Not the debate on his tenure with the Yankees but the same insecure douchebags that always try to knock the Mets for whatever they do or call them second class in a clear attempt to try and make themselves feel inferior. If you are one of these people, then I certainly don't expect you to understand. Its the dork that we all know that puts on a Yankee hat to try and associate themselves with a winner, trying to fool everyone that they aren't just a dork in a Yankee hat. The same type of guy who tries to brag about what a big dick he has when everyone else clearly knows the truth. If you're secure about something then you don't need to talk about it or try to knock someone else down. The majority of people here know exactly what I'm talking about.
AMEN TO THIS!
Yeah, Mase knocked it out of the park on this one.
(Obviously wasn't listening to Long otherwise he would have grounded out to short.. LOL!!!)
He'll probably help the Mets, at least at first. He's not a bad hitting coach, but he's not great, either. We shall see. Either way, I'm glad he's not with the Yankees anymore. It was past due time for a change.
This.