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NFT: Mets hire Kevin Long as Hitting Coach

Pego61 : 10/23/2014 6:15 pm
As a Yankee fan, I don't blame him for the lack of hitting. I also don't mind letting him go, as when you don't win, changes have to be made. But every player seems to rave about him. I think the Mets got a good one.
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Please take Cashman too.  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 10/23/2014 6:19 pm : link
Seriously though, the shitstain that was the 2014 Yankees lineup wasn't his fault.
Nearly every Yankee hit below their career average last season  
Stan from LA : 10/23/2014 6:38 pm : link
Coincidence?
RE: Nearly every Yankee hit below their career average last season  
CGiants07 : 10/23/2014 6:39 pm : link
In comment 11937508 Stan from LA said:
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Coincidence?


lack of talent didn't help
He is a well respected hitting coach  
sinctybldh : 10/23/2014 6:39 pm : link
that works his ass off. I think he is a big loss for the Yankees and a big gain for the Mets.
lmao  
illmatic : 10/23/2014 6:39 pm : link
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RE: Nearly every Yankee hit below their career average last season  
Mad Mike : 10/23/2014 6:40 pm : link
In comment 11937508 Stan from LA said:
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Coincidence?

Definitely not a coincidence. When you have a team with nearly every guy (at least every regular guy) over 30, it's no coincidence when they perform below their career levels.
When Long is trying to teach hitters how to beat the shift  
sinctybldh : 10/23/2014 6:41 pm : link
and they refuse to listen that isn't Long's fault. He can only do so much.
yeah  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/23/2014 6:42 pm : link
Stan. It had nothing to do with the fact that the only starter under 30 was a guy who toiled in the minor leagues and offense is down from a few years ago.

Gee, how could Derek Jeter be hitting under his career average? Must be Kevin Long.
Stan pissing on it makes me think this is a good move for the Mets.  
arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 6:45 pm : link
Good stuff.
I don't blame Long for all of their woes  
BigBlueShock : 10/23/2014 6:49 pm : link
but to completely absolve him of all responsibility is ludicrous. His firing has more to do with results over the course of several seasons, not just this past one.

When is the last time this team over performed, offensively? They have been awful situational hitters and as much as we want to blame it all on the players, he gets paid, too. Paid for results
RE: I don't blame Long for all of their woes  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 10/23/2014 6:53 pm : link
In comment 11937524 BigBlueShock said:
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but to completely absolve him of all responsibility is ludicrous. His firing has more to do with results over the course of several seasons, not just this past one.

When is the last time this team over performed, offensively? They have been awful situational hitters and as much as we want to blame it all on the players, he gets paid, too. Paid for results


It's not his fault Beltran is old and gets hurt. It's certainly not his fault Teixeira is too hard-headed to adjust to the shift. Hitting coaches don't make Kevin Maas into Albert Pujols.
lol arc  
feelflows : 10/23/2014 6:54 pm : link
good point
RE: I don't blame Long for all of their woes  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/23/2014 6:55 pm : link
In comment 11937524 BigBlueShock said:
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but to completely absolve him of all responsibility is ludicrous. His firing has more to do with results over the course of several seasons, not just this past one.

When is the last time this team over performed, offensively? They have been awful situational hitters and as much as we want to blame it all on the players, he gets paid, too. Paid for results


This. It was far from one bad year, otherwise they wouldn't have fired him.
RE: When Long is trying to teach hitters how to beat the shift  
BigBlueShock : 10/23/2014 6:55 pm : link
In comment 11937517 sinctybldh said:
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and they refuse to listen that isn't Long's fault. He can only do so much.

Isn't that a sign of a team tuning out the coach? Blame whoever you want, but when this happens, it's time for a change
I don't think it's necessarily them tuning out the coach  
yatqb : 10/23/2014 7:02 pm : link
but of being arrogant, stubborn, extremely rich guys with long term contracts who have done it one way for a career and aren't willing to struggle a while until they learn something new...old dog and new tricks kind of thing.

I liked how hard Long worked and think that he's really competent. Perhaps this move will shake some of the veterans up enough to make changes, but imo benching some of the geriatric brigade for younger players would be a more convincing method.
Lol  
Zebra3 : 10/23/2014 7:03 pm : link
No really lol
RofL laughing my ass off.
Bring in the fences again. Long is the worst hitting coach ever.
If the Yankees front office was also blaming Long for the 2013 team's  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 10/23/2014 7:05 pm : link
performanc, they're even more delusional than I thought.

Among the top 9 Yankees in plate appearances (2013):

Ichiro
Overbay
Vernon Wells
Chris Stewart
Eduardo Nunez
Jayson Nix
Travis Hafner
What about all of the other years of underperforming  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/23/2014 7:06 pm : link
and not coming through in the clutch?
OMG??  
feelflows : 10/23/2014 7:06 pm : link
LOL!!! LMFAO!!! IKR??

ROFL!!! ROFLMAO!! so is my BFF!!!!!
RE: Lol  
arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 7:06 pm : link
In comment 11937544 Zebra3 said:
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No really lol
RofL laughing my ass off.
Bring in the fences again. Long is the worst hitting coach ever.


Tally up another one that makes me like this move.

I'm sure you're well-versed in the background of every MLB hitting coach to the point where you can make that declaration.

Some people are so fucking stupid it makes my head hurt.
when is the last time the Yankees have developed a hitting prospect  
sinctybldh : 10/23/2014 7:08 pm : link
below the age of 30? Gardner? that is a pretty long time is it not? The fact that just about every hitter is over the hill is not Long's fault. That is on management for failing to develop prospects sooner then they currently have.
RE: when is the last time the Yankees have developed a hitting prospect  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/23/2014 7:09 pm : link
In comment 11937553 sinctybldh said:
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below the age of 30? Gardner? that is a pretty long time is it not? The fact that just about every hitter is over the hill is not Long's fault. That is on management for failing to develop prospects sooner then they currently have.


It also doesn't mean the offense should underperform for as long as it has. I'm not saying he is entirely to blame. But he also wasn't part of the solution.
Guys long messed up  
Zebra3 : 10/23/2014 7:11 pm : link
Grandy
McCann
Jeter
Tex
Swisher
Gardner
Arod
Martin
Solarte
Almonte
Stewart
Wells
Horrible the last three years
Look  
BigBlueShock : 10/23/2014 7:11 pm : link
I like Long and don't want to pile on, but come on now. Tell me one player that came to the Yankees from another team and became a better hitter because of Kevin Long? Just one. And since you think it's all about age, and never Longs fault, we can go the other way too. Tell me one player that left the Yankees and became a worse hitter because he wasn't around Kevin Long?

Long is a hard worker and a great guy. All true. It was also time to move on. For all involved.
yep  
sinctybldh : 10/23/2014 7:12 pm : link
long definitely should have found the fountain of youth and made players over the age of 35 perform to their career morms. What a fucking piece of shit that Long is.
Ya the fact they lost their best hitter  
sinctybldh : 10/23/2014 7:13 pm : link
Cano, an MVP caliber player must also be Long's fault.
LOL, wow.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/23/2014 7:13 pm : link
Strange stuff.
The wrist injury to teixeira,  
sinctybldh : 10/23/2014 7:14 pm : link
the imjury to Beltran definitely had no bearing on them. It is all Long's fault.
RE: Guys long messed up  
arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 7:14 pm : link
In comment 11937559 Zebra3 said:
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Grandy
McCann
Jeter
Tex
Swisher
Gardner
Arod
Martin
Solarte
Almonte
Stewart
Wells
Horrible the last three years


This is a hilarious list. Who was the Yankees hitting coach in 2012 when Derek Jeter led the majors in hits and hit .316?

Long take that year off?
Didn't Jeter ignore Long's advice?  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/23/2014 7:16 pm : link
Or took it, and decided it wasn't working, and then went back to what he was doing? Something like that. Long was an ARod guy. Don't think he and Derek really hit it off.
How about making Cashman  
sinctybldh : 10/23/2014 7:16 pm : link
culpable for signing players into over their prime contracts? Cashman also went through a long drought of not developing any useful young hitters at the major league level. That is exactly why the Yankees offense has stunk the past 2 years.
From the penthouse to the outhouse...  
Ryan in Albany : 10/23/2014 7:17 pm : link
See ya, Kev...
I liked Long but the offense  
bxgiants4 : 10/23/2014 7:17 pm : link
Really declined over recent years

He should help the mets
Jeter did try long advise shorten swing.  
Zebra3 : 10/23/2014 7:18 pm : link
And was messed up bad until an dl stint and Gary Denbo straiten him out.
Cashman definitely should be gone.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/23/2014 7:18 pm : link
Still doesn't mean Long was part of the solution. Two weeks ago when the Yankees fired him, everyone was on board with it. Now, it's a problem? That's like the Giants firing a position coach and Giants fans all of a sudden getting pissed because the Jets hired him. Silly.
This is like Perry Fewell  
Zebra3 : 10/23/2014 7:20 pm : link
Going to the Jets.
Can the Mets  
Zebra3 : 10/23/2014 7:22 pm : link
Take Robbie Thompson too. Please.
OH-EM-GEE  
feelflows : 10/23/2014 7:24 pm : link
!!
RE: I don't blame Long for all of their woes  
Stan from LA : 10/23/2014 7:24 pm : link
In comment 11937524 BigBlueShock said:
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but to completely absolve him of all responsibility is ludicrous. His firing has more to do with results over the course of several seasons, not just this past one.

When is the last time this team over performed, offensively? They have been awful situational hitters and as much as we want to blame it all on the players, he gets paid, too. Paid for results


Yup.
Long really ruined Granderson, too..  
arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 7:25 pm : link
Granderson only led the AL in RBI's in 2011....
He ruined him after he fixed him... or something like that.  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 10/23/2014 7:27 pm : link
Last 3 players with back to back 40 HR, 100 RBI seasons:

Miguel Cabrera
Joey Bats
Curtis Granderson
Funny quote on nomaas about this:  
phil in arizona : 10/23/2014 7:28 pm : link
"Mets to decide if they want all their lefties to become 100% pull hitters"

http://nomaas.org/2014/10/mets-to-decide-if-they-want-all-their-lefties-to-become-100-pull-hitters/ - ( New Window )
Holy shit!  
ZGiants98 : 10/23/2014 7:29 pm : link
All this over a hitting coach! lol. This is awesome!
RE: Funny quote on nomaas about this:  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/23/2014 7:31 pm : link
In comment 11937607 phil in arizona said:
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"Mets to decide if they want all their lefties to become 100% pull hitters" http://nomaas.org/2014/10/mets-to-decide-if-they-want-all-their-lefties-to-become-100-pull-hitters/ - ( New Window )


LOL. I wasn't even taking that into consideration.
RE: Long really ruined Granderson, too..  
Zebra3 : 10/23/2014 7:32 pm : link
In comment 11937601 arcarsenal said:
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Granderson only led the AL in RBI's in 2011....

Yup changed a good average hitter to a hr or strikeout hitter. Same with Tex
Direct quote from Mark Teixiera....  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 10/23/2014 7:36 pm : link
“I’m trying to hit line drives, hit balls in the alley, hit home runs,” Teixeira said. “When I start trying to hit groundballs the other way, it’s time for me to retire.”


Yep, this is somehow Kevin Long's fault.
Granderson hit .249 his last year in Detroit..  
arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 7:37 pm : link
I'm sure that was Long as well.
Granderson averaged 141 strikeouts his last 4 years in Detroit.  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 10/23/2014 7:38 pm : link
He averaged 137 as a Yankee.
Good job by Long there.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/23/2014 7:41 pm : link
Saved CG a whole 4K's per season there.
RE: Direct quote from Mark Teixiera....  
BigBlueShock : 10/23/2014 7:44 pm : link
In comment 11937615 Shockeyisthebest80 said:
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“I’m trying to hit line drives, hit balls in the alley, hit home runs,” Teixeira said. “When I start trying to hit groundballs the other way, it’s time for me to retire.”


Yep, this is somehow Kevin Long's fault.

I'm not sure what this quote has to do with Kevin Long, but if you're suggesting that Long was asking Teix to hit ground balls, that's a freakin joke. He was trying to get Teix to hit line drives and hit the ball to the alleys, which Teix says he was trying to do. But he simply couldn't do it. Yet, in Texas, that's exactly what he did.

I'm glad that you look at this as some kind of positive for Kevin Long. I guess as the hitting coach, he should have no responsibility whatsoever for the production of ANY offensive players. What a life
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