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Thursday Night Football: Chargers at Broncos

Jints in Carolina : 10/23/2014 8:29 pm
Hopefully will be a good one.
Chargers force Denver to punt  
Jints in Carolina : 10/23/2014 8:31 pm : link
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Rooting for a very low scoring game  
UConn4523 : 10/23/2014 8:39 pm : link
which is highly unlikely.
Hillman looks really good.  
arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 8:44 pm : link
I don't think Ball is ever getting that job back.
He shouldn't.  
kmed : 10/23/2014 8:47 pm : link
Ball looked terrible and hillman looks awesome. I just can't see ball not snaking touches though.
Ball will get touches  
UConn4523 : 10/23/2014 8:50 pm : link
but he's got no chance as the feature back as long as Hillman stays healthy, nor should he
I have the biggest man crush on Sanders.  
arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 8:53 pm : link
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Yeah ball is looking at a minority  
kmed : 10/23/2014 8:53 pm : link
split at best.
Sanders is an animal with  
kmed : 10/23/2014 8:53 pm : link
Peyton.
Hillman was the man at SDSU...wish we picked him up  
SHO'NUFF : 10/23/2014 8:56 pm : link
got over his fumbling issues, hopefully...SDSU has another young stud...Donnell Pumphrey...and even Chase Price after him is a stud.
Can I get a Julius Thomas TD here pleaz.  
arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 8:57 pm : link
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Ronnie Hillman or Wes Welker  
SHO'NUFF : 10/23/2014 8:57 pm : link
please.
RE: Sanders is an animal with  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/23/2014 8:59 pm : link
In comment 11937716 kmed said:
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Peyton.


Boy have you changed your tune.
I'll take that just as well.  
arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 8:59 pm : link
My dude!
fuck  
SHO'NUFF : 10/23/2014 9:00 pm : link
Peyton cost me a possible Hillman TD with that fumble.
Yes I have.  
kmed : 10/23/2014 9:00 pm : link
I was not high on him early in the offseason.
RE: Yes I have.  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/23/2014 9:00 pm : link
In comment 11937727 kmed said:
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I was not high on him early in the offseason.


Understatement of the century.
fucking pointless to have McManus as my kicker  
SHO'NUFF : 10/23/2014 9:01 pm : link
only good for 5+ extra points
That's not true and  
kmed : 10/23/2014 9:01 pm : link
I fed changed my time before my draft. A few bbi'ers def talked me into liking sanders before the season. I never envisioned this.
I det changed  
kmed : 10/23/2014 9:02 pm : link
my tune.
I don't see why Eli can't run an offense like this  
SHO'NUFF : 10/23/2014 9:02 pm : link
but no, we have to run...run...run...threat of the run...blah blah blah
i needed that TD by Sanders  
Jints in Carolina : 10/23/2014 9:02 pm : link
now need Rivers arm to fall off.
RE: I don't see why Eli can't run an offense like this  
Jints in Carolina : 10/23/2014 9:02 pm : link
In comment 11937733 SHO'NUFF said:
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but no, we have to run...run...run...threat of the run...blah blah blah


we have nowhere near the talent.
nowhere near the talent?  
SHO'NUFF : 10/23/2014 9:04 pm : link
perhaps...but Peyton's receivers seem like they up their game for Peyton...highly focused and great concentration...Eli? he has...Rueben Randle.
RE: I don't see why Eli can't run an offense like this  
arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 9:05 pm : link
In comment 11937733 SHO'NUFF said:
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but no, we have to run...run...run...threat of the run...blah blah blah


It would be a lot easier if you gave him Demaryius Thomas, Emmanuel Sanders, Julius Thomas, Wes Welker and Hillman...

He doesn't QUITE have that here.
RE: RE: I don't see why Eli can't run an offense like this  
Jints in Carolina : 10/23/2014 9:06 pm : link
In comment 11937740 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 11937733 SHO'NUFF said:


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but no, we have to run...run...run...threat of the run...blah blah blah



It would be a lot easier if you gave him Demaryius Thomas, Emmanuel Sanders, Julius Thomas, Wes Welker and Hillman...

He doesn't QUITE have that here.


ya think? lol
Denver's defense looks goooooooood.  
arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 9:07 pm : link
This team is going to be tough for anyone to get rid of in the playoffs if the defense is going to up their game like this.
what was Hillman doing a few weeks ago?  
SHO'NUFF : 10/23/2014 9:08 pm : link
Julius Thomas would be Adrien Robinson on our team...Sanders in Pittsburgh didn't scare anybody.

Decker leaves Peyton in probably the dumbest decision career-wise that any player can make...and he's doing squat in NY.
RE: That's not true and  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/23/2014 9:10 pm : link
In comment 11937730 kmed said:
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I fed changed my time before my draft. A few bbi'ers def talked me into liking sanders before the season. I never envisioned this.


You did change your outlook on him later on, I'll give you that. You shit on him pretty hard early. I'm mostly just busting your balls though. Plus you shit on my boy Travaris Cadet (who?) on the fantasy thread about an hour ago.
You lost me at Julius Thomas would be Adrien Robinson...  
arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 9:10 pm : link
And Demaryius Thomas is not some Peyton phenomenon.. the guy was making plays with Tim fucking Tebow. Calvin is the only dude in this league I would consider taking before him.
D. Thomas is a beast regardless of the QB, yes  
SHO'NUFF : 10/23/2014 9:13 pm : link
but you really think J.Thomas would see the field on a TC team? I'm actually surprised L. Donnell gets to play, but that's probably because we don't have any choice.
Those KFC selfie video commercials  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/23/2014 9:15 pm : link
With cheesy pop-dubstep playing in the background are fucking brutal.
RE: D. Thomas is a beast regardless of the QB, yes  
Jints in Carolina : 10/23/2014 9:16 pm : link
In comment 11937760 SHO'NUFF said:
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but you really think J.Thomas would see the field on a TC team? I'm actually surprised L. Donnell gets to play, but that's probably because we don't have any choice.


wow dude
ok, whatever  
SHO'NUFF : 10/23/2014 9:19 pm : link
just my opinion
does welker have  
SHO'NUFF : 10/23/2014 9:19 pm : link
eye-liner on?
RE: I don't see why Eli can't run an offense like this  
Toth029 : 10/23/2014 9:21 pm : link
In comment 11937733 SHO'NUFF said:
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but no, we have to run...run...run...threat of the run...blah blah blah
Different backs the Chargers and Broncos have. And better OL's - much better.
yeah  
SHO'NUFF : 10/23/2014 9:23 pm : link
for sure...but I would still put it on Eli to win the game...not the crap we saw last week.
lol  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/23/2014 9:24 pm : link
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RE: RE: That's not true and  
kmed : 10/23/2014 9:24 pm : link
In comment 11937750 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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In comment 11937730 kmed said:


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I fed changed my time before my draft. A few bbi'ers def talked me into liking sanders before the season. I never envisioned this.



You did change your outlook on him later on, I'll give you that. You shit on him pretty hard early. I'm mostly just busting your balls though. Plus you shit on my boy Travaris Cadet (who?) on the fantasy thread about an hour ago.


I det did.
"see what happens when you rush more than 3 and don't drop  
SHO'NUFF : 10/23/2014 9:25 pm : link
a lineman into coverage? they convert 3rd and 20!"

-P. Fewell, NY
Hope Mac  
Zebra3 : 10/23/2014 9:26 pm : link
Saw that td play,with Beckham we could do that too.
I would be killing it right now  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/23/2014 9:27 pm : link
With Sanders and Keenan. Ugh...
The Broncos resigned  
SHO'NUFF : 10/23/2014 9:29 pm : link
Trindon Holliday?
RE: RE: RE: That's not true and  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/23/2014 9:29 pm : link
In comment 11937802 kmed said:
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In comment 11937750 AnotherGiantsFan said:


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In comment 11937730 kmed said:


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I fed changed my time before my draft. A few bbi'ers def talked me into liking sanders before the season. I never envisioned this.



You did change your outlook on him later on, I'll give you that. You shit on him pretty hard early. I'm mostly just busting your balls though. Plus you shit on my boy Travaris Cadet (who?) on the fantasy thread about an hour ago.



I det did.


You also fed changed your mind.
time*  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/23/2014 9:30 pm : link
shit.
Hahah.  
arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 9:31 pm : link
Mike Carey fail.
(He was right though)  
arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 9:31 pm : link
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Should've been a fumble  
bxgiants4 : 10/23/2014 9:32 pm : link
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my initial  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/23/2014 9:34 pm : link
thought was that the ball started to move, so it should have been a fumble.

However, when the refs review completions when a receiver hit's the ground, the ball is allowed to move a little, so long as the ref deems that the player maintained control of the ball.

In this situation, the ball started to move before the player's elbow hit the ground. However, the ball didn't come lose by then. It just moved. I think one could argue that similar to a reception, the Bronco still had control of the ball while it moved slightly when his elbow downed him. The ball didn't come loose, and out of the player's possession until later.
Just because the ball is  
TomMac : 10/23/2014 9:34 pm : link
Moving (being yanked on) does not mean immediate possession loss. I don't see the ball free till after the forearm hits the ground. Anyway just shows how bad ref interpretations of rules are in the NFL
with both demaryius and julius up for contract after this year  
NewYorkGiants : 10/23/2014 9:35 pm : link
It looks like they will have to let one walk. wonder who itll be
D Thomas just got absolutely mugged  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/23/2014 9:36 pm : link
And still reeled it in. Just a specimen.
Phil Simms  
MookGiants : 10/23/2014 9:36 pm : link
is absolutely clueless, just made a complete fool of himself once again. Clock stops regardless
RE: with both demaryius and julius up for contract after this year  
arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 9:37 pm : link
In comment 11937852 NewYorkGiants said:
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It looks like they will have to let one walk. wonder who itll be


There's no doubt they'll keep Demaryius over Julius if they pick one. No brainer.
Also..  
arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 9:38 pm : link
Pagano is a DC who I think does an awesome job. So many different looks.
I long for the days  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/23/2014 9:38 pm : link
Where Mike Mayock would be breaking down the type of draft prospect Peyton was in the 90s right about now.
RE: I don't see why Eli can't run an offense like this  
HomerJones45 : 10/23/2014 9:39 pm : link
In comment 11937733 SHO'NUFF said:
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but no, we have to run...run...run...threat of the run...blah blah blah
try thinking of the circumstances and the relative talent levels and it will come to you.
Sanders!!!  
arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 9:40 pm : link
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This Peyton Manning  
bceagle05 : 10/23/2014 9:40 pm : link
can play a little.
Too easy  
kmed : 10/23/2014 9:40 pm : link
for Peyton.
perfect  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/23/2014 9:40 pm : link
throw on such a quick release. Great move by Sanders, too.
RE: RE: with both demaryius and julius up for contract after this year  
NewYorkGiants : 10/23/2014 9:41 pm : link
In comment 11937864 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 11937852 NewYorkGiants said:


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It looks like they will have to let one walk. wonder who itll be



There's no doubt they'll keep Demaryius over Julius if they pick one. No brainer.



Yeah i would 100 percent take d.thomas over julius
I wonder what type of contract they both get
Julius would have to get as much as graham on open market id think
this could be  
spike : 10/23/2014 9:58 pm : link
the AFC championoship preview
LOL  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/23/2014 10:04 pm : link
What the fuck is going on
RE: this could be  
dep026 : 10/23/2014 10:05 pm : link
In comment 11937928 spike said:
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the AFC championoship preview


San Diego is a pretender. Said if earlier. They played nothing but shit teams outside Seattle. I think they won't even make the playoffs.
LOL, yes!  
arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 10:08 pm : link
Sanders! Do it 3 times!
Was Phil Simms  
MookGiants : 10/23/2014 10:09 pm : link
dropped on his head between playing for the Giants and becoming an analyst?
I swear  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/23/2014 10:11 pm : link
I feel like every week I have a guy go off on TNF. Matt Ryan vs Bucs, Larry Donnell vs Was, Shane Vereen vs Jets, now Sanders vs Chargers.

If only I started Keenan Allen.
RE: RE: I don't see why Eli can't run an offense like this  
section125 : 10/23/2014 10:13 pm : link
In comment 11937870 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 11937733 SHO'NUFF said:


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but no, we have to run...run...run...threat of the run...blah blah blah

try thinking of the circumstances and the relative talent levels and it will come to you.


$20 says Peyton would do just as well with the receivers on the Giants with Cruz playing. He makes receivers better than they are.
Denver has those screens to Oliver smothered.  
arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 10:13 pm : link
They gotta stop going to those, they're going down behind the line
Chargers have been a little too stubborn  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/23/2014 10:16 pm : link
On staying with the running game this season. The sentiment is nice, but sometimes you have to work ass backwards. Get the ball going in the air, and then work on the running game. They aren't going to win on 3rd and 11s.
The best thing about this game  
dep026 : 10/23/2014 10:17 pm : link
Is that the rivers for MVP shit can stop. Every single year people start to hype him up and in the end shows he's the same guy year in and year out.
RE: Was Phil Simms  
micky : 10/23/2014 10:17 pm : link
In comment 11937951 MookGiants said:
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dropped on his head between playing for the Giants and becoming an analyst?


Well, don't know if you've seen his early years, he was thrown around like a rag doll..took beatings. But, forever greatful for what he did with the Giants even though most like to rag on or hate him.
RE: The best thing about this game  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/23/2014 10:19 pm : link
In comment 11937970 dep026 said:
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Is that the rivers for MVP shit can stop. Every single year people start to hype him up and in the end shows he's the same guy year in and year out.


?? Short week at Denver, a top 5 defense. Don't be silly.
Ugh, playing a guy in FFB with Sanders  
SB : 10/23/2014 10:20 pm : link
Fuck, third week in a row that my opponent is starting someone on TNF that is having their best game of the season.

Shane Vereen two weeks ago
TY Hilton last week
Now Sanders

Fuck TNF

/rant
dep is the king of over-exaggeration.  
arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 10:21 pm : link
Nothing to see here.
RE: RE: The best thing about this game  
dep026 : 10/23/2014 10:21 pm : link
In comment 11937972 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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In comment 11937970 dep026 said:


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Is that the rivers for MVP shit can stop. Every single year people start to hype him up and in the end shows he's the same guy year in and year out.



?? Short week at Denver, a top 5 defense. Don't be silly.


He wasn't that good last week either. He had a really good game against Seattle at home.
...  
steve in maryland : 10/23/2014 10:22 pm : link
Denver has Oliver on check and Denver receivers re eating their secondary alive.
Heh.. Tamme won't be back on the field the next play.  
arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 10:22 pm : link
Peyton was not happy.
Arc  
dep026 : 10/23/2014 10:22 pm : link
Is just mad that I picked on his boy fewell today and that I predicted rivers would not be good tonight.

Nothing to see here.
Can't understand why teams  
bigbluehoya : 10/23/2014 10:25 pm : link
Don't line 2 HBs up in the I like that more.
You actually didn't predict that about Rivers.  
arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 10:26 pm : link
You said you thought Ryan would have a big day in London. You just thought this game would be "low scoring" and said it would be like 27-21

Also, I won that argument today. Bitch.
Dep, so you predicted rivers wouldn't be goid  
kmed : 10/23/2014 10:26 pm : link
Yet started him in fantasy? Sounds like typical dep, even you don't believe the crap you spew!
what the hell happened?  
SHO'NUFF : 10/23/2014 10:28 pm : link
I go to take a shit and it's now 28-7? man, this is almost like Pittsburgh-Houston before the half
RE: You actually didn't predict that about Rivers.  
dep026 : 10/23/2014 10:28 pm : link
In comment 11937994 arcarsenal said:
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You said you thought Ryan would have a big day in London. You just thought this game would be

"low scoring" and said it would be like 27-21

Also, I won that argument today. Bitch.


Low scoring usually means not playing well.
RE: Dep, so you predicted rivers wouldn't be goid  
dep026 : 10/23/2014 10:30 pm : link
In comment 11937995 kmed said:
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Yet started him in fantasy? Sounds like typical dep, even you don't believe the crap you spew!


I listened to bbi. I think your the only who saw rivers struggling tonoght like I did. I am sorry kmed.
wasn't Sanders the guy that killed us  
SHO'NUFF : 10/23/2014 10:31 pm : link
last time we played the Steelers?
awww shit...  
SHO'NUFF : 10/23/2014 10:32 pm : link
Thompson hijacked a 2 yard TD from Hillman? Fucking hate that shit...
RE: RE: Dep, so you predicted rivers wouldn't be goid  
arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 10:37 pm : link
In comment 11938004 dep026 said:
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Yet started him in fantasy? Sounds like typical dep, even you don't believe the crap you spew!



I listened to bbi. I think your the only who saw rivers struggling tonoght like I did. I am sorry kmed.


There's 2 TD's.. and there's still an entire quarter+ left. Can you calm down now?
If Rivers guts out one more TD  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/23/2014 10:39 pm : link
I will be thrilled. Just don't give it to Keenan Allen. That open wound stings enough.
Love how its ok for the TE  
section125 : 10/23/2014 10:39 pm : link
to push off and catch a TD, yet if the DB touches him, it is PI.
Rivers just acts like such an asshole.  
Scuzzlebutt : 10/23/2014 10:41 pm : link
I find him to be extremely annoying.
rivers is  
kepler20 : 10/23/2014 10:41 pm : link
Woefully underrated.
RE: Rivers just acts like such an asshole.  
kepler20 : 10/23/2014 10:43 pm : link
In comment 11938013 Scuzzlebutt said:
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I find him to be extremely annoying.


And you never made fun of Eli for the dear in the headlights look?
RE: RE: RE: Dep, so you predicted rivers wouldn't be goid  
dep026 : 10/23/2014 10:45 pm : link
In comment 11938010 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 11938004 dep026 said:


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In comment 11937995 kmed said:


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Yet started him in fantasy? Sounds like typical dep, even you don't believe the crap you spew!



I listened to bbi. I think your the only who saw rivers struggling tonoght like I did. I am sorry kmed.



There's 2 TD's.. and there's still an entire quarter+ left. Can you calm down now?


Need 1 more :)

And does Denver ever kick field goals?
Can they just give Hillman the fucking ball here please  
arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 10:49 pm : link
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Awful call  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/23/2014 10:49 pm : link
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weak  
MookGiants : 10/23/2014 10:50 pm : link
sauce.

Are you fucking kidding me?  
arcarsenal : 10/23/2014 10:50 pm : link
Jesus christ.
Refs should be ashamed of themselves  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/23/2014 10:51 pm : link
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what the fuck,  
SHO'NUFF : 10/23/2014 10:52 pm : link
Fox?
That penalty  
dep026 : 10/23/2014 10:52 pm : link
Is because of what happened in the SB. What fucking bullshit. It's so funny they call that but the obvious pick Welker set three plays earlier doesn't get called.
pick plays  
MookGiants : 10/23/2014 10:53 pm : link
don't get called against the Broncos. Just Notre Dame
The refs single handedly turned a potentially competitive game  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/23/2014 10:53 pm : link
Into a blowout.
RE: The refs single handedly turned a potentially competitive game  
section125 : 10/23/2014 10:58 pm : link
In comment 11938034 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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Into a blowout.


they do it every week; besides who cares about san diego...
RE: pick plays  
dep026 : 10/23/2014 10:59 pm : link
In comment 11938033 MookGiants said:
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don't get called against the Broncos. Just Notre Dame


Welker set more illegal picks than garnett.
Is Rivers really mouthing out a Bronco player when he's down two TDs?  
Anakim : 10/23/2014 11:02 pm : link
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RE: Is Rivers really mouthing out a Bronco player when he's down two TDs?  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/23/2014 11:03 pm : link
In comment 11938044 Anakim said:
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Wording...
Really. Thank God he's not a Giant  
Anakim : 10/23/2014 11:04 pm : link
Tyrann Mathieu ‏@Mathieu_Era 1m1 minute ago
FYI Philip rivers talks more crap than Richard Sherman. Believe that. E is a motor mouth
Kepler  
Scuzzlebutt : 10/23/2014 11:04 pm : link
Why would i find Eli annoying? Better yet. - why do you? Not a fan of the Giants i'm guessing.
RE: RE: Is Rivers really mouthing out a Bronco player when he's down two TDs?  
Anakim : 10/23/2014 11:05 pm : link
In comment 11938048 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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Wording...


*Mouthing off. Haha, sorry
Could have been  
dep026 : 10/23/2014 11:09 pm : link
A big swing there.
Big miss by McManus  
Anakim : 10/23/2014 11:13 pm : link
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Ugh  
dep026 : 10/23/2014 11:14 pm : link
Mcmanus is the only kicker in the world who misses 50 yard wrs in Denver. 5 point miss there. Shit.
RE: Big miss by McManus  
section125 : 10/23/2014 11:15 pm : link
In comment 11938063 Anakim said:
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Said he has a pulled groin.
Hahahahahha  
Anakim : 10/23/2014 11:17 pm : link
Philip Rivers
Fuck  
dep026 : 10/23/2014 11:17 pm : link
Nice throw asshole. Go yell at someone now.
I have Sanders and I am going against Rivers  
Jints in Carolina : 10/23/2014 11:19 pm : link
I'll take it.
A missed fg  
dep026 : 10/23/2014 11:20 pm : link
Then a pick by rivers. Shitty way to end this game. Chance to have a monster day turns to be an average day.
Peyton Manning  
Rflairr : 10/23/2014 11:20 pm : link
Makes no sense to be that damn good
I still can't believe they let Thompson poach 2 TDs off of Hillman's  
SHO'NUFF : 10/23/2014 11:23 pm : link
hard work...Hillman should bitch the coach out, but he's too classy for that.
RE: I still can't believe they let Thompson poach 2 TDs off of Hillman's  
Jints in Carolina : 10/23/2014 11:25 pm : link
In comment 11938079 SHO'NUFF said:
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hard work...Hillman should bitch the coach out, but he's too classy for that.


as long as they win they don't care...and the really could give a rats ass about fantasy football.
Ho hum, Peyton goes 14-2 yet again.  
bceagle05 : 10/23/2014 11:25 pm : link
See ya in January.
I think Denver's biggest challenge this year  
Giantology : 10/23/2014 11:27 pm : link
Will be staying healthy come playoffs
Peyton channeling his inner Philip Rivers  
Anakim : 10/23/2014 11:27 pm : link
And telling fans to shut up
For anyone  
MookGiants : 10/23/2014 11:28 pm : link
who believes the Giants have ever under achieved under Coughlin they need to look at how many rings Peyton has despite his dominance and realize how damn hard it is to win it and how incredibly fortunate we are to have won 2 in the last 7 years
Denver is starting to look like a freight train  
dpinzow : 10/23/2014 11:34 pm : link
SD is probably the 2nd best team in the AFC and Denver pretty much had no problem dispatching them
RE: Denver is starting to look like a freight train  
dep026 : 10/23/2014 11:39 pm : link
In comment 11938096 dpinzow said:
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SD is probably the 2nd best team in the AFC and Denver pretty much had no problem dispatching them


I think indy is the wind best team.
RE: For anyone  
NINEster : 10/24/2014 12:04 am : link
In comment 11938086 MookGiants said:
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who believes the Giants have ever under achieved under Coughlin they need to look at how many rings Peyton has despite his dominance and realize how damn hard it is to win it and how incredibly fortunate we are to have won 2 in the last 7 years


Peyton is the ultimate choke artist in the post season considering how dominant his regular season play is. I did some stat research on the guy and his SBs turned up exactly the same for the most part:

1 TD, 1 INT each game (except last year, 2 INT)

3 TD/4 INT all time.

TDs thrown those 3 SB regular seasons, 49, 35, 55. Team records, 12-4, 14-2, 13-3.

29 points, 17 points, 8 points.

The narrative never fails. He had a rather dominant post season last year (by his standards), and faced a Seahawk team that didn't exactly dominate their own postseason through two home games.

Sure Seattle was better, but in the era of parity how long has it been since we've seen an SB blowout like this? Tampa/Oakland 2002? Never should have been crushed and look so unprepared.

One thing that stands out is how awful his footwork and pocket presence can look under legitimate pressure. This SB, some of those old games versus the Patriots. Man, it looks like two totally different people.

If Denver wins the SB this year, the only reason they'll do it is because that defense is finally good enough to carry Peyton in it. Rex Grossman elevated the Colts defense in that one win, but that caliber QB won't be around come February.






Peyton  
McNally's_Nuts : 10/24/2014 12:21 am : link
Manning is THE best regular season QB in the history of the NFL.

Seattle's  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/24/2014 12:29 am : link
defense last year was an all-time, historically great defense and just completely overwhelmed Denver's offensive line. On top of that, their incredible secondary also took the approach of flrting with defensive holding on every single play knowing the refs couldn't call it every time. Faulting Peyton for last Super Bowl's result is an egregiously unfair criticism. A QB made up of Joe Montana's cool, Dan Marino's release and accuracy, Peyton's pre-snap reads, Michael Vick's speed, and Big Ben's resistance to being tackled would have still gotten crushed last year. It was Seattle's day.

Against New Orleans, he had to battle a great offense who was able to steal an extra possession with an onside kick. At the end of the game, Terry Porter just made a fantastic play jumping the route on the interception. It happens.

And against Chicago, not only did Peyton have to play in the only Super Bowl ever in the rain (and it was pouring continuously), but he had to overcome an opening kickoff TD by Devin Hester.

But go on, tell me more about using a three-game sample (with three different head coaches) to define him.

Shocked there has not been a Stan sighting...  
speedywheels : 10/24/2014 1:07 am : link
Telling us how awesome Peyton is and how Luck "sucks"...
it's impossible to say for sure  
santacruzom : 10/24/2014 1:48 am : link
But I think a few of the QB's considered to be all-time postseason monsters would have at least beaten New Orleans in that SB.
Rivers' second pick was lazy, fucking stupid, and cost the Chargers  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 10/24/2014 1:54 am : link
a real opportunity to tie the game.

6 minutes left on the DEN side of the field with 2 timeouts... why force a ball in that spot? Like Simms said, the receiver was never open on that play.
Unbelievable  
Mr. Nickels : 10/24/2014 2:05 am : link
how bad i got fucked tonight. Hillman had no less than 4 touchdowns ripped away from him.
RE: Seattle's  
NINEster : 10/24/2014 2:10 am : link
In comment 11938133 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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defense last year was an all-time, historically great defense and just completely overwhelmed Denver's offensive line. On top of that, their incredible secondary also took the approach of flrting with defensive holding on every single play knowing the refs couldn't call it every time. Faulting Peyton for last Super Bowl's result is an egregiously unfair criticism. A QB made up of Joe Montana's cool, Dan Marino's release and accuracy, Peyton's pre-snap reads, Michael Vick's speed, and Big Ben's resistance to being tackled would have still gotten crushed last year. It was Seattle's day.

Against New Orleans, he had to battle a great offense who was able to steal an extra possession with an onside kick. At the end of the game, Terry Porter just made a fantastic play jumping the route on the interception. It happens.

And against Chicago, not only did Peyton have to play in the only Super Bowl ever in the rain (and it was pouring continuously), but he had to overcome an opening kickoff TD by Devin Hester.

But go on, tell me more about using a three-game sample (with three different head coaches) to define him.


I've seen enough to know that he underperforms in the postseason and SB.

Whether he is to blame for the losses is always up for debate.

And now that I think of it, the only other QB to throw for 50+ in a regular season also lost the super bowl.



RE: RE: Seattle's  
glowrider : 10/24/2014 2:25 am : link
In comment 11938169 NINEster said:
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In comment 11938133 PaulBlakeTSU said:


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defense last year was an all-time, historically great defense and just completely overwhelmed Denver's offensive line. On top of that, their incredible secondary also took the approach of flrting with defensive holding on every single play knowing the refs couldn't call it every time. Faulting Peyton for last Super Bowl's result is an egregiously unfair criticism. A QB made up of Joe Montana's cool, Dan Marino's release and accuracy, Peyton's pre-snap reads, Michael Vick's speed, and Big Ben's resistance to being tackled would have still gotten crushed last year. It was Seattle's day.

Against New Orleans, he had to battle a great offense who was able to steal an extra possession with an onside kick. At the end of the game, Terry Porter just made a fantastic play jumping the route on the interception. It happens.

And against Chicago, not only did Peyton have to play in the only Super Bowl ever in the rain (and it was pouring continuously), but he had to overcome an opening kickoff TD by Devin Hester.

But go on, tell me more about using a three-game sample (with three different head coaches) to define him.




I've seen enough to know that he underperforms in the postseason and SB.

Whether he is to blame for the losses is always up for debate.

And now that I think of it, the only other QB to throw for 50+ in a regular season also lost the super bowl.




May have both lost t, but they both got there. Brady had a better game shot.
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