Cuomo by my take is often a independent thinker and to his credit does not buy the party line. I don't agree with him on a bunch of things but I respect leadership. He has it.
the feds sucked at this from the get go. the CDC being so bad they had to put someone from the outside now to run it. Shameful that. Almost the same in that context as FEMA in Katrina. About the same level of incompetence. Good job Brownie…..you suck.
coming here…..I could live with that. There would have to be exceptions UN staffers for instance but I could live with that.
Restricting US citizens from returning completely….I would say as a citizen you could not be overtly refused entirely. It is your right as a citizen to return to here. A state as this in international commerce travel and such I think a state could not outwardly refuse entry of US citizens. Travel of this sort is usually a fed right. When here in the US the state however may require what they want of them within the law.
That's my opinion
that Dallas eventually did get right. They took those people stuck in that contaminated apt when it became public their conditions….and put them in a home of some sort…I think it had a religious affiliation the home.
In quarantine but able to communicate with other get food do things we all do.
So that they should in that follow Dallas's example but in only that. Other than that Dallas tells you only what not to do.
It could easily be done in NYC volunteers or any number of religiously based organizations. Worst case and you have to put them in a public facility of some sort, but really the numbers exposed are probably quite small. Likely it would not have to be a public home thing.
Slow clap for Cuomo & Christie pandering to the teeming masses. That'll only discourage doctors from going over & fighting the disease, in turn making things over there even worse.
But we're living in the age of Ebola hysteria so whatever.
MSNBC has been a joke with as well. All media outlets have. They have done a horrible job educating the public on this disease and how f*cking hard it is to get it. People at work yesterday were saying you can get it airborne. I wanted to bang my head on the desk.
MSNBC has been a joke with as well. All media outlets have. They have done a horrible job educating the public on this disease and how f*cking hard it is to get it. People at work yesterday were saying you can get it airborne. I wanted to bang my head on the desk.
I think you need to read some more...
I don't think its hard at all to get the disease. The spread in Africa attests to that. Maybe you mean it's *unlikely* people will get the disease, given quarantines, contact tracing, PPE, and proper protocols, the fact that most or all infectious people will be symptomatic and more readily spotted, that you need close contact with fluid and that's rarer over here? But if all that fails and you do come into contact with fluids and the virus, then becoming infected and sick isn't all that difficult.
Secondary, don't bang your head too much. As noted earlier and in other threads, there is data showing that in some species the virus is transmitted through the air. Not in humans so far as we know, but it's still airborne transmission in those cases. Further, also as pointed out previously, sneezing and coughing often results in fluid spray. So whereas the virus isn't floating around in the air, it can potentially be transmitted to nearby people through the air via fluids in the absence of actual physical contact.
It really is remote that we would have an outbreak and I agree that there is hyperbole, unwarranted panic, and paranoia. But IMO you are being an overly dismissive and snide ostrich when there actually are concerns and precautions that need to be present. Just hiding your heard and ridiculing the problem, which the people in charge don't appear to be doing, could exacerbate it.
MSNBC has been a joke with as well. All media outlets have. They have done a horrible job educating the public on this disease and how f*cking hard it is to get it. People at work yesterday were saying you can get it airborne. I wanted to bang my head on the desk.
I think you need to read some more...
I don't think its hard at all to get the disease. The spread in Africa attests to that. Maybe you mean it's *unlikely* people will get the disease, given quarantines, contact tracing, PPE, and proper protocols, the fact that most or all infectious people will be symptomatic and more readily spotted, that you need close contact with fluid and that's rarer over here? But if all that fails and you do come into contact with fluids and the virus, then becoming infected and sick isn't all that difficult.
Secondary, don't bang your head too much. As noted earlier and in other threads, there is data showing that in some species the virus is transmitted through the air. Not in humans so far as we know, but it's still airborne transmission in those cases. Further, also as pointed out previously, sneezing and coughing often results in fluid spray. So whereas the virus isn't floating around in the air, it can potentially be transmitted to nearby people through the air via fluids in the absence of actual physical contact.
It really is remote that we would have an outbreak and I agree that there is hyperbole, unwarranted panic, and paranoia. But IMO you are being an overly dismissive and snide ostrich when there actually are concerns and precautions that need to be present. Just hiding your heard and ridiculing the problem, which the people in charge don't appear to be doing, could exacerbate it.
Bill, I respect your opinion. And perhaps I have gone to the other extreme, but the misinformation about this disease and how hard it is to get frustrates the living hell out of me. I'm not downplaying the seriousness of this disease, but how hard it is to get. You're not going to get it unless you come into contact with an individual who has the disease and their vomit, blood, stool, etc.
And I don't have respect for politicians pandering to the misinformation/hysteria. Numerous experts-people a helluva lot smarter than me & you-have said a quarantine would have the opposite effect of what it's intended to do. It only discourages people who are needed to go to Africa to fight this disease. And if they don't, it's only going to get worse. Cuomo, who is running for reelection, and Christie, who is all but a declared '16 candidate, are pandering to the masses.
BillL has been a great resource on these threads. Â
As noted earlier and in other threads, there is data showing that in some species the virus is transmitted through the air. Not in humans so far as we know, but it's still airborne transmission in those cases. Further, also as pointed out previously, sneezing and coughing often results in fluid spray. So whereas the virus isn't floating around in the air, it can potentially be transmitted to nearby people through the air via fluids in the absence of actual physical contact.
It really is remote that we would have an outbreak and I agree that there is hyperbole, unwarranted panic, and paranoia. But IMO you are being an overly dismissive
Agree with this. Seems we always go to extremes, eh?
Up until last week I was under the impression that it was as difficult to obtain as AIDS (the whole bodily fluid part, and that many are talking about how difficult it is to contract- my fault for not doing my own research, but whatever) and was probably just as dismissive.
Now that I know it's possible to get from someone sneezing on you, I've been paying more attention.
I'm far from a panic or wanting to build a wall around the continental US, but most definitely am watching. Happily, it looks like the medical industry in NY is getting it right. As long as the rest of the big cities follow suit, we should be fine. But folks do need to be vigilant.
I never mentioned Fox News Big Al. You're confusing me with another poster.
Actually, the only dude who has impressed me with Ebola is FOX's Shep Smith, who had the balls to rip the media's Ebola coverage.
I agree. All cable news was pretty hard to watch for awhile.
Even worse, it seems to me that there's a decent sized population of folks that get their news from their Facebook feed, which IMO is by far more misinformation than cable news.
Luckily, I get all of my news from BBI. It really helps me keep an eye on FLA.
I never mentioned Fox News Big Al. You're confusing me with another poster.
Actually, the only dude who has impressed me with Ebola is FOX's Shep Smith, who had the balls to rip the media's Ebola coverage.
I agree. All cable news was pretty hard to watch for awhile.
Even worse, it seems to me that there's a decent sized population of folks that get their news from their Facebook feed, which IMO is by far more misinformation than cable news.
Luckily, I get all of my news from BBI. It really helps me keep an eye on FLA.
My Facebook feed is valuable. I get daily reports on the new evidence that will Obama impeached, put Hillary in jail or prove that all Republicans are heartless thugs.
So probably Christie and Cuomo are being stronger than they should Â
And maybe skirting the threshold of being alarmist...
It's a real problem but not a major threat except perhaps for health care workers and lab workers, absent proper procedures and PPE.
But admin people IMO need to assuage public fears and provide reassurance *without* misleading them with false reassurances. You could argue Christie might lack on the reassurance part, but I would also suggest that the Feds went to far in the opposite direction. They made flat statements that this or that couldn't happen in order to prevent a panic. Maybe they believed them...they're not Ebola experts, they're inexperienced and many are more acedmicians working in the world of theory where things go as designed and people's choices and behaviors don't factor or don't stray outside instructions. Whatever the reason, when you make flat statements that this or that can't happen...and then it does...people lose trust and you get more panic rather than less. I think the Feds, especially cdc, did that to a certain extent.
People are not very smart but I think by and large they can deal with the truth. But the truth has to be presented softLY and in a positive fashion. Straying too much in either direction does a disservice imo
a)people ripping governments ill thought out policy and weak preparedness on this for the first few months, prior to Quomo, with
b) people totally freaking out about a pandemic here.
Two different groups: It has been too easy for the ironically self appointed smarties to dismiss the first group by adressing them as if they are the second, in a well travelled sequence of non-discourse intended on maintaining the vacuity status quo for another year or so.
RE: to increase rationality we could start with ceasing the conflation Â
a)people ripping governments ill thought out policy and weak preparedness on this for the first few months, prior to Quomo, with
b) people totally freaking out about a pandemic here.
Two different groups: It has been too easy for the ironically self appointed smarties to dismiss the first group by adressing them as if they are the second, in a well travelled sequence of non-discourse intended on maintaining the vacuity status quo for another year or so.
Ageed. You should stop freaking out about a pandemic.
look at Patient Zero in texas
he was denied admittance to the hospital and only came back when he had full blown symptoms of Ebola
and yet none of this family have gotten ebola , noone he happen to walk past or whatever have gotten ebola
the only people to have gotten the disease from him were two nurse knee deep in this bodily fluids while he was in the height of his illness.
that implies that ebola IS very very hard to get if proper precautions are implemented
This Doctor self quarantined and when he had a slight fever 100.3 he informed the authorities and went right to the hospital
i would be shocked it
1. he did not make a complete recover
2 . he somehow infected anyone he came in contact with before his admittance
as far as Obama and his leadership
there are GeoPolitical reasons why a President does not want to ban travel from another country - especially West Africa where China is trying to expand their sphere of influence
Just google China and Ebola to see that China's has donated tens of millions of dollars to these countries to fight Ebola and trust me china is not doing it for charitable reasons .
And these GeoPolitical reasons are something that a Governor does not have to worry about . So surprise Cuomo and Christine implement quarantines .
But if you think Cuomo and Christine acted on their own with this Quarantine without the implied consent of the Federal Government then you are dreaming .
and as far as my fox news comment it is because everyone on this board is parroting fox news talking points to the tee.
But if you think Cuomo and Christie acted on their own with this Quarantine without the implied consent of the Federal Government then you are dreaming .
and as far as my fox news comment it is because everyone on this board is parroting fox news talking points to the tee.
The gonernors are only responsible for their states and the people of those states. West Africa means little to them.
Slow clap for Cuomo & Christie pandering to the teeming masses. That'll only discourage doctors from going over & fighting the disease, in turn making things over there even worse.
But we're living in the age of Ebola hysteria so whatever.
Oh puhlese. It makes perfect sense to control people coming in from ebola plagued areas. Especially those who have been treating patients. It's typical medical protocol. The doctors understand this. If anything, it's the people that don't want to have travel restrictions and quarantines that are pandering to politics.
SHANGHAI—China unveiled new measures aimed at preventing the spread of the deadly Ebola virus in the nation, including a joint announcement with the International Olympic Committee on the eve of Saturday's opening of the Nanjing 2014 Youth Olympic Games that athletes from affected countries won't be permitted to compete.
In a statement Friday that didn't name nations, the IOC and China's government said two athletes from the affected region won't be permitted to compete in combat sports, while a ban on competitors participating in pool events will apply to one athlete.
It said all athletes from the region will be monitored for "temperature and physical assessment," without providing their numbers. Media reports this week quoted government officials from Sierra Leone and Nigeria expressing displeasure at restrictions their athletes faced in China.
China's state-run Xinhua News Agency cited an Olympic committee official as saying that Sierra Leone and Liberia have indicated they won't participate, while Guinea hasn't made its position clear.
A Nigerian official said his country's athletes had been prescreened and that he was critical of "poor treatment" of his country's athletes in China and said they won't compete.
Patrick Omorodion, media assistant to Nigeria's sports minister, said the minister "has directed that the athletes be withdrawn and return to Nigeria because we would not want to expose our youth athletes to such treatment."
China also said that from Saturday new border controls will include stricter inspections on inbound airlines from regions affected by Ebola, while stepped-up sanitary measures will apply to incoming vehicles and goods. The government also warned its citizens about the risks of travel to affected regions.
but why not have peoples who have had contact with ebola patients, self quarantine if local(with check ins) or a stay in a more restricted environment if not able to do so…..
The cost on that doc, all the equipment peoples places and things having to be checked…it makes way more sense to have one person self quarantine rather than go through all that.
WE can go from one extreme to the other here. Hysteria is not warranted but real concrete actions to provide a least discomfort avenue for the citizens of both NY and NJ….just makes sense.
And peoples out of this country who have had or admit to exposure to ebola patients……why exactly do we have a responsibility to admit them to the US. There are some qualifiers to that such perhaps as UN employes or representatives of those nations, in any event they can be quarantined the same as our citizens are.
Because there are some who are hysterical to the issue does not in the inverse allow this thing is not any sort of threat..it is and remains so.
I applaud both Christie and Cuomo on this. Not once twice but three times….good for you governors. Think Texas would have perhaps been better off if their governor had done some similar things to direct things there? Seems some direction was needed few would say it went as planned. But I didn't hear of any.
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The CDC has plainly failed on this. If not one would have to ask..exactly why a outsider was not put in charge of it? ONe has and one then has to admit what went on in the past did not work.
The states have no right to deny citizens returning to the US. They have every right to quarantine those citizens if they deem necessary. It is not the feds who are paying the Fire Dept the nurses and hospitals for every one who enters not quarantined and then needs to be treated, nor is it them who can pay shop owners whose business will be affected if this thing gets out of control in NJ or NYC.
there are no not a one direct flights from west africa to the US, they all require stopovers transfers. So the banning of flights from those areas is some politicians dream as none come from there.
Banning the people in general all of them from coming here…..I haven't heard that mentioned. Those exposed to ebola certainly. Why exactly not?
Our peoples coming back here of course we can't do that they are citizens and one part of citizenship is you may return to your homeland it is a constitutional right. Quarantined here when they come back…certainly that is allowable and legal. States localities have quarantined peoples since the days of typhoid Mary years and years ago. Legal it is and generally a local or state action.
Rarely used as we have few epidemics, but certainly legal and as Cuomo and Christie there when necessary.
can do absolutely nothing at all to stop or make these quarantines. If you can make a argument Christie is checking with the federal government or Obama on his or their OK to do this…..I can only say you either do not know Christie or not know you constitution. States have rights and they both are exercising them.
The fed has nothing to do with this at all absolutely nothing.
Denying entry into the US by citizens of non citizens of course that is a fed responsibility as it always has been. Commerce which includes movement is a fed responsibility for regulation as per the constitution. Quarantined once here….fully a state decision. could be a fed decision but sans that a state decision.
The fed really should deny entry of those from other countries to the US who have concrete exposure records but sans that the states can quarantine them when here if that is their choice. The states legally could confine them to the airports if that was their decision to do so for that matter.
If Obama wants to do something that would perhaps be a good thing to start on in this regard.
makes no sense whatsoever, has anyone thought about that?
A hospital ship, might make some sense perhaps, money to pay docs willing to go there, aid to their internal hospital systems, I can see all that….just throw the military at the issue…..put our soldiers at risk…exactly why that?
Stupid. Who is Cuba sending..docs not military. that may make sense, send docs willing to go there there. Pay them for that certainly if they are willing to go.
Why are our soldiers always dispensable? And really are they best suited to the task?
with the quarantines of NY NJ and now Illinois. So I doubt these governors checked with them. We can't rely on self quarantines because it's been show that these medical personnel don't take it seriously. And even if it's unlikely that they could infect someone before they are very sick, we don't know for sure and the virus is just too dangerous to take that chance.
Meanwhile, the military has already said that the guys that go to West Africa that have 'elevated exposure risk' which means they had contact with Ebola patients, will be quarantined afterwards, so I'm not really sure why medical personnel are any different.
i would go even a bit farther, but it is not a small thing that 2 states are now out ahead of the feds on this.
This is to his and all involved their credit.
proud that a new yorker, The Quomo, at least did - something
we need leaders who are willing to push on this.
the harsher he is on it the more popular he will become!
Restricting US citizens from returning completely….I would say as a citizen you could not be overtly refused entirely. It is your right as a citizen to return to here. A state as this in international commerce travel and such I think a state could not outwardly refuse entry of US citizens. Travel of this sort is usually a fed right. When here in the US the state however may require what they want of them within the law.
That's my opinion
But I happen to agree.
In quarantine but able to communicate with other get food do things we all do.
So that they should in that follow Dallas's example but in only that. Other than that Dallas tells you only what not to do.
It could easily be done in NYC volunteers or any number of religiously based organizations. Worst case and you have to put them in a public facility of some sort, but really the numbers exposed are probably quite small. Likely it would not have to be a public home thing.
It certainly does.
With the help of the reverse vampires.
But we're living in the age of Ebola hysteria so whatever.
Please expand. Or are you just trying to get in some cheap political shots at the president?
But I happen to agree.
What the hell does Hillary Clinton have to do with this? Why is she even being brought up? Oh, I forgot that's high up on the talking points.
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you guys need to turn off the fox news SNL
Yep. We need to get all our news from MSNBC.
MSNBC has been a joke with as well. All media outlets have. They have done a horrible job educating the public on this disease and how f*cking hard it is to get it. People at work yesterday were saying you can get it airborne. I wanted to bang my head on the desk.
Actually, the only dude who has impressed me with Ebola is FOX's Shep Smith, who had the balls to rip the media's Ebola coverage.
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you guys need to turn off the fox news SNL
Yep. We need to get all our news from MSNBC.
MSNBC has been a joke with as well. All media outlets have. They have done a horrible job educating the public on this disease and how f*cking hard it is to get it. People at work yesterday were saying you can get it airborne. I wanted to bang my head on the desk.
I think you need to read some more...
I don't think its hard at all to get the disease. The spread in Africa attests to that. Maybe you mean it's *unlikely* people will get the disease, given quarantines, contact tracing, PPE, and proper protocols, the fact that most or all infectious people will be symptomatic and more readily spotted, that you need close contact with fluid and that's rarer over here? But if all that fails and you do come into contact with fluids and the virus, then becoming infected and sick isn't all that difficult.
Secondary, don't bang your head too much. As noted earlier and in other threads, there is data showing that in some species the virus is transmitted through the air. Not in humans so far as we know, but it's still airborne transmission in those cases. Further, also as pointed out previously, sneezing and coughing often results in fluid spray. So whereas the virus isn't floating around in the air, it can potentially be transmitted to nearby people through the air via fluids in the absence of actual physical contact.
It really is remote that we would have an outbreak and I agree that there is hyperbole, unwarranted panic, and paranoia. But IMO you are being an overly dismissive and snide ostrich when there actually are concerns and precautions that need to be present. Just hiding your heard and ridiculing the problem, which the people in charge don't appear to be doing, could exacerbate it.
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you guys need to turn off the fox news SNL
Yep. We need to get all our news from MSNBC.
MSNBC has been a joke with as well. All media outlets have. They have done a horrible job educating the public on this disease and how f*cking hard it is to get it. People at work yesterday were saying you can get it airborne. I wanted to bang my head on the desk.
I think you need to read some more...
I don't think its hard at all to get the disease. The spread in Africa attests to that. Maybe you mean it's *unlikely* people will get the disease, given quarantines, contact tracing, PPE, and proper protocols, the fact that most or all infectious people will be symptomatic and more readily spotted, that you need close contact with fluid and that's rarer over here? But if all that fails and you do come into contact with fluids and the virus, then becoming infected and sick isn't all that difficult.
Secondary, don't bang your head too much. As noted earlier and in other threads, there is data showing that in some species the virus is transmitted through the air. Not in humans so far as we know, but it's still airborne transmission in those cases. Further, also as pointed out previously, sneezing and coughing often results in fluid spray. So whereas the virus isn't floating around in the air, it can potentially be transmitted to nearby people through the air via fluids in the absence of actual physical contact.
It really is remote that we would have an outbreak and I agree that there is hyperbole, unwarranted panic, and paranoia. But IMO you are being an overly dismissive and snide ostrich when there actually are concerns and precautions that need to be present. Just hiding your heard and ridiculing the problem, which the people in charge don't appear to be doing, could exacerbate it.
Bill, I respect your opinion. And perhaps I have gone to the other extreme, but the misinformation about this disease and how hard it is to get frustrates the living hell out of me. I'm not downplaying the seriousness of this disease, but how hard it is to get. You're not going to get it unless you come into contact with an individual who has the disease and their vomit, blood, stool, etc.
And I don't have respect for politicians pandering to the misinformation/hysteria. Numerous experts-people a helluva lot smarter than me & you-have said a quarantine would have the opposite effect of what it's intended to do. It only discourages people who are needed to go to Africa to fight this disease. And if they don't, it's only going to get worse. Cuomo, who is running for reelection, and Christie, who is all but a declared '16 candidate, are pandering to the masses.
It really is remote that we would have an outbreak and I agree that there is hyperbole, unwarranted panic, and paranoia. But IMO you are being an overly dismissive
Agree with this. Seems we always go to extremes, eh?
Up until last week I was under the impression that it was as difficult to obtain as AIDS (the whole bodily fluid part, and that many are talking about how difficult it is to contract- my fault for not doing my own research, but whatever) and was probably just as dismissive.
Now that I know it's possible to get from someone sneezing on you, I've been paying more attention.
I'm far from a panic or wanting to build a wall around the continental US, but most definitely am watching. Happily, it looks like the medical industry in NY is getting it right. As long as the rest of the big cities follow suit, we should be fine. But folks do need to be vigilant.
Actually, the only dude who has impressed me with Ebola is FOX's Shep Smith, who had the balls to rip the media's Ebola coverage.
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I never mentioned Fox News Big Al. You're confusing me with another poster.
Actually, the only dude who has impressed me with Ebola is FOX's Shep Smith, who had the balls to rip the media's Ebola coverage.
I agree. All cable news was pretty hard to watch for awhile.
Even worse, it seems to me that there's a decent sized population of folks that get their news from their Facebook feed, which IMO is by far more misinformation than cable news.
Luckily, I get all of my news from BBI. It really helps me keep an eye on FLA.
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I never mentioned Fox News Big Al. You're confusing me with another poster.
Actually, the only dude who has impressed me with Ebola is FOX's Shep Smith, who had the balls to rip the media's Ebola coverage.
I agree. All cable news was pretty hard to watch for awhile.
Even worse, it seems to me that there's a decent sized population of folks that get their news from their Facebook feed, which IMO is by far more misinformation than cable news.
Luckily, I get all of my news from BBI. It really helps me keep an eye on FLA.
It's a real problem but not a major threat except perhaps for health care workers and lab workers, absent proper procedures and PPE.
But admin people IMO need to assuage public fears and provide reassurance *without* misleading them with false reassurances. You could argue Christie might lack on the reassurance part, but I would also suggest that the Feds went to far in the opposite direction. They made flat statements that this or that couldn't happen in order to prevent a panic. Maybe they believed them...they're not Ebola experts, they're inexperienced and many are more acedmicians working in the world of theory where things go as designed and people's choices and behaviors don't factor or don't stray outside instructions. Whatever the reason, when you make flat statements that this or that can't happen...and then it does...people lose trust and you get more panic rather than less. I think the Feds, especially cdc, did that to a certain extent.
People are not very smart but I think by and large they can deal with the truth. But the truth has to be presented softLY and in a positive fashion. Straying too much in either direction does a disservice imo
a)people ripping governments ill thought out policy and weak preparedness on this for the first few months, prior to Quomo, with
b) people totally freaking out about a pandemic here.
Two different groups: It has been too easy for the ironically self appointed smarties to dismiss the first group by adressing them as if they are the second, in a well travelled sequence of non-discourse intended on maintaining the vacuity status quo for another year or so.
a)people ripping governments ill thought out policy and weak preparedness on this for the first few months, prior to Quomo, with
b) people totally freaking out about a pandemic here.
Two different groups: It has been too easy for the ironically self appointed smarties to dismiss the first group by adressing them as if they are the second, in a well travelled sequence of non-discourse intended on maintaining the vacuity status quo for another year or so.
Ageed. You should stop freaking out about a pandemic.
in any case, it is a good thing this did not coincide with the whole South Florida Zombie Face Eating While on Bath Salts thing.
that type of contact would certainly spread it.
he was denied admittance to the hospital and only came back when he had full blown symptoms of Ebola
and yet none of this family have gotten ebola , noone he happen to walk past or whatever have gotten ebola
the only people to have gotten the disease from him were two nurse knee deep in this bodily fluids while he was in the height of his illness.
that implies that ebola IS very very hard to get if proper precautions are implemented
This Doctor self quarantined and when he had a slight fever 100.3 he informed the authorities and went right to the hospital
i would be shocked it
1. he did not make a complete recover
2 . he somehow infected anyone he came in contact with before his admittance
as far as Obama and his leadership
there are GeoPolitical reasons why a President does not want to ban travel from another country - especially West Africa where China is trying to expand their sphere of influence
Just google China and Ebola to see that China's has donated tens of millions of dollars to these countries to fight Ebola and trust me china is not doing it for charitable reasons .
And these GeoPolitical reasons are something that a Governor does not have to worry about . So surprise Cuomo and Christine implement quarantines .
But if you think Cuomo and Christine acted on their own with this Quarantine without the implied consent of the Federal Government then you are dreaming .
and as far as my fox news comment it is because everyone on this board is parroting fox news talking points to the tee.
and, also, checking....no.
But if you think Cuomo and Christie acted on their own with this Quarantine without the implied consent of the Federal Government then you are dreaming .
and as far as my fox news comment it is because everyone on this board is parroting fox news talking points to the tee.
The gonernors are only responsible for their states and the people of those states. West Africa means little to them.
Thank God somebody is parroting Fox News....
But we're living in the age of Ebola hysteria so whatever.
Oh puhlese. It makes perfect sense to control people coming in from ebola plagued areas. Especially those who have been treating patients. It's typical medical protocol. The doctors understand this. If anything, it's the people that don't want to have travel restrictions and quarantines that are pandering to politics.
In a statement Friday that didn't name nations, the IOC and China's government said two athletes from the affected region won't be permitted to compete in combat sports, while a ban on competitors participating in pool events will apply to one athlete.
It said all athletes from the region will be monitored for "temperature and physical assessment," without providing their numbers. Media reports this week quoted government officials from Sierra Leone and Nigeria expressing displeasure at restrictions their athletes faced in China.
China's state-run Xinhua News Agency cited an Olympic committee official as saying that Sierra Leone and Liberia have indicated they won't participate, while Guinea hasn't made its position clear.
A Nigerian official said his country's athletes had been prescreened and that he was critical of "poor treatment" of his country's athletes in China and said they won't compete.
Patrick Omorodion, media assistant to Nigeria's sports minister, said the minister "has directed that the athletes be withdrawn and return to Nigeria because we would not want to expose our youth athletes to such treatment."
China also said that from Saturday new border controls will include stricter inspections on inbound airlines from regions affected by Ebola, while stepped-up sanitary measures will apply to incoming vehicles and goods. The government also warned its citizens about the risks of travel to affected regions.
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The cost on that doc, all the equipment peoples places and things having to be checked…it makes way more sense to have one person self quarantine rather than go through all that.
WE can go from one extreme to the other here. Hysteria is not warranted but real concrete actions to provide a least discomfort avenue for the citizens of both NY and NJ….just makes sense.
And peoples out of this country who have had or admit to exposure to ebola patients……why exactly do we have a responsibility to admit them to the US. There are some qualifiers to that such perhaps as UN employes or representatives of those nations, in any event they can be quarantined the same as our citizens are.
Because there are some who are hysterical to the issue does not in the inverse allow this thing is not any sort of threat..it is and remains so.
I applaud both Christie and Cuomo on this. Not once twice but three times….good for you governors. Think Texas would have perhaps been better off if their governor had done some similar things to direct things there? Seems some direction was needed few would say it went as planned. But I didn't hear of any.
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The CDC has plainly failed on this. If not one would have to ask..exactly why a outsider was not put in charge of it? ONe has and one then has to admit what went on in the past did not work.
The states have no right to deny citizens returning to the US. They have every right to quarantine those citizens if they deem necessary. It is not the feds who are paying the Fire Dept the nurses and hospitals for every one who enters not quarantined and then needs to be treated, nor is it them who can pay shop owners whose business will be affected if this thing gets out of control in NJ or NYC.
Congrats to both governors.
Banning the people in general all of them from coming here…..I haven't heard that mentioned. Those exposed to ebola certainly. Why exactly not?
Our peoples coming back here of course we can't do that they are citizens and one part of citizenship is you may return to your homeland it is a constitutional right. Quarantined here when they come back…certainly that is allowable and legal. States localities have quarantined peoples since the days of typhoid Mary years and years ago. Legal it is and generally a local or state action.
Rarely used as we have few epidemics, but certainly legal and as Cuomo and Christie there when necessary.
The fed has nothing to do with this at all absolutely nothing.
Denying entry into the US by citizens of non citizens of course that is a fed responsibility as it always has been. Commerce which includes movement is a fed responsibility for regulation as per the constitution. Quarantined once here….fully a state decision. could be a fed decision but sans that a state decision.
The fed really should deny entry of those from other countries to the US who have concrete exposure records but sans that the states can quarantine them when here if that is their choice. The states legally could confine them to the airports if that was their decision to do so for that matter.
If Obama wants to do something that would perhaps be a good thing to start on in this regard.
A hospital ship, might make some sense perhaps, money to pay docs willing to go there, aid to their internal hospital systems, I can see all that….just throw the military at the issue…..put our soldiers at risk…exactly why that?
Stupid. Who is Cuba sending..docs not military. that may make sense, send docs willing to go there there. Pay them for that certainly if they are willing to go.
Why are our soldiers always dispensable? And really are they best suited to the task?
Meanwhile, the military has already said that the guys that go to West Africa that have 'elevated exposure risk' which means they had contact with Ebola patients, will be quarantined afterwards, so I'm not really sure why medical personnel are any different.
I guess cat got thier tounge, or they cannot compute.
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