the AFrican treatment. They are finding things out as they go along. In Africa now they are giving them a special fluid concoction by mouth. The idea being to super hydrate with electrolytes. If you can keep it down you live, if you can't or refuse you die. They did not really know till a little while ago aspirin tylenol things like that hurt not help.
Iv's being available our knowledge base improving we will probably with time have a real good success rate.
but the guy initially was thinking he was sluggish. Following a air trip and all that is not so unusual. So was he really symptomatic early on….hard to tell.
In any event they will probably quarantine only his girl friend and close contacts is my guess. This will not I think be like Dallas.
is only transmittable when symptomatic which means with a fever the CDC has said is 101.5 or better.
So little suggests this guy was symptomatic on a plane. Symptomatic prior to transport to the hospital is possible as he said he felt sluggish but probably not. He would know when he got a fever.
RE: Sounds like this was done about exactly right Â
the doc was treating patients in Africa. The FD had a special unit respond which was equipped for isolation. He was treated in isolation in the hospital….
Everything sounds textbook.
It shows a bit what a joke was that hospital in Dallas. Knew he was in Africa and still sent him home with ebola symptoms 2 nurses down with the illness pictures showing them in inadequate protective gear….could they have done worse. Taken him blood and smeared it around the ER I guess aside that no.
This to the credit of NYC their FD and hospitals….at least right now sounds textbook Kudos to them.
To be fair to Dallas, NY learned a lot from them. Three weeks ago, NYC had no clue either.
The CDC has changed the airline guidelines to any fever Â
but as of yet I think have not put a number to that. Health care wise it was set at 101.5. But this stuff does change every day seemingly….the CDC sort of sucks as well.
I'm not to worried about this guy at all. Like I said NYC did it right, kudos to them.
Four people they say will be quarantined.
They are making excuses for Dallas..Dallas sucked plain flat sucked at their exposure.
Night and day…congrats to all New Yorkers you have a lot to be proud of here it seems.
Is that where I am we talk about NYC, what they're doing (about infectious diseases in addition to Ebola as well), procedures, preparedness fairly often.
The crazy thing is REO Speedwagon had 3 top 10 hits Â
in the southwest, and my daughter is currently a active one….health care here the hospitals sort of suck. Nationally I looked into this a couple of years ago and found NM hospitals by a national ranking organizations was like as not subpar in every category.
I didn't look at Texas but my guess is the same. I've lived in the NYC area years ago and had occasion at times and I was always OK with the treatment.
Here not so much. In NM it had to do with years ago medicaid reimbursements to docs…all the good ones left as they were just to low. Texas my guess is with their health care system it is about the same. More uninsured than anywhere else I suspect Texas is a lot like NM.
Just yes conjecture but my guess is those in NYC are so used to it they don't appreciate it so much. Things really suck in some parts of the country. Really suck.
Has been reported to be awful. Burial pits, garbage, medical waste. That Would still contain the disease, right? Is this being treated like the national security issue it is?
This is the perfect terrorist delivery device sitting in open fields in diseased ravaged countries with broken down infrastructure. Wrap some martyrs up in it and put em on planes all over the world before they become symptomatic in 8-10 days.
Ugh, just so much horrible stuff in the news right now.
but muslims to my recollection fervent ones like those who are Isis have strict rules on the burying of the dead, It must be done immediately and I don't think cremation is ever allowed. Blowing up oneself really the body is blown up not cremated. So blowing up is sort of a grey area.
So basically as they cremate those who suffer from this thing and the heart of Isis is the extreme muslim religion….I'd guess they would not do it. All going in would know they would be cremated and not buried and likely not within 24 hours as they require.
Has been reported to be awful. Burial pits, garbage, medical waste. That Would still contain the disease, right? Is this being treated like the national security issue it is?
This is the perfect terrorist delivery device sitting in open fields in diseased ravaged countries with broken down infrastructure. Wrap some martyrs up in it and put em on planes all over the world before they become symptomatic in 8-10 days.
Ugh, just so much horrible stuff in the news right now.
Now THAT is some scary shit right there. I bet your not the first one to think of it either.
the only thing they could have done worse in Dallas is run through the streets splashing blood on all the doorsteps.
Everyone is saying…well it is just that Dallas was the first one….I say no we knew of ebola in Africa about 4 or so months ago and first for us was not first at all. I knew about it probably you knew of the threat a month ago…why not the Dallas hospital and admin, who did not do any training for the threat.
The CDC did not help but that hospital performed miserably to my opinion, even considering first case.
They suck I would not send anyone to that hospital if one could avoid it. How much are they not getting caught on? It is just by chance they were caught with untrained personal and inadequate care by this one thing. How many more before when the spotlight was not shining?
but muslims to my recollection fervent ones like those who are Isis have strict rules on the burying of the dead, It must be done immediately and I don't think cremation is ever allowed. Blowing up oneself really the body is blown up not cremated. So blowing up is sort of a grey area.
So basically as they cremate those who suffer from this thing and the heart of Isis is the extreme muslim religion….I'd guess they would not do it. All going in would know they would be cremated and not buried and likely not within 24 hours as they require.
So I don't see that happening.
Not sure if this was a response, but people are avoiding going to the hospital and dying at home because of forced cremations. But that's a new implement. They've been piling corpses into marked and unmarked graves (along with all the medical waste). Dogs were eating it. Contamination was flowing eight into the river.
The disposal process is not safe, secure, or even completely known to anyone. The dead are under reported.
Just sneezing and coughing all over a subway car is plenty good if you're symptomatic. Link - ( New Window )
can't live outside a moist environment longer than 24 hrs. Once the blood dries it dies. This isn't anthrax.
Ok, go find a victim and "care" for him. The first case was just reported in Mali. That's wolf country. Responsible for allowing safe passage of Libyan arms out of the country.
This is a wmd if someone were able to effectuate the proper sequence of events.
the cost for this is probably astronomical. In CT, they require a 24/7 police presence to quarantine people in their homes. Guess who is paying for that?
where are you finding this crap? The article you link to says nothing about sneezing on a subway, in fact an infected person would have to be deathly ill for the virus to build up enough potency for it to be transmitted through saliva. Coughing and sneezing only happen in the later stages of the disease. Link - ( New Window )
When I was taking the 1 and 3 trains downtown everyday you come across the craziest crap. People actually jacking off on the train. Others that smelled as if they hadn't showered in years. I tried to touch nothing in those damn cars. I'd rather lean against the door and stand until I got to my stop.
I'm very damn happy to not be doing that anymore.
I never saw anyone REALLY clean those cars other than pickup some trash.
my point is there seems to be little chance Islamic terrorists would get infected and come here as a form of terrorism. It would violate their religion in that they need to bury within 24 hours and cremation is not allowed. AS both would with someone with ebola coming here they would not choose this method. Blowing themselves up is really not cremation I would guess by their take, being something of a grey area and thus allowed.
In any event there are many reasons for the spread in Africa. Ebola stays active in a dead body for quite some time. IN Africa like as not it is the family who takes care of the dead body. There may be a bunch of family involved in that, cleaning and dressing the dead body for a funeral. And at the funeral like as not they are touching the dead body as well. That likely is by my take the reason early on for the rapid spread there. Here there is little chance of that.
Eventually they will get it right over there Nigeria already has.
Speaking of NYC as opposed to Dallas NYC FD has something in the range of 30 Haz tec units which was one used with the doc's being transported.
NYC has had them in place for years and years. Trained personal and equipment to handle exactly this type of thing. And they did so admirably. NYC peoples don't I think perhaps, really appreciate in how cutting edge they are in many ways there.All aspects of medical treatment.
where are you finding this crap? The article you link to says nothing about sneezing on a subway, in fact an infected person would have to be deathly ill for the virus to build up enough potency for it to be transmitted through saliva. Coughing and sneezing only happen in the later stages of the disease. Link - ( New Window )
I'll be clearer. It is a known fact that the Ebola dead have been piled into unmarked and marked graves. Many of which already seep into the river. Medical waste disposal is no better. It was only recently where cremation was instituted as an order.
Soooo....find some fresh Ebola waste or an Ebola victim. Expose a bunch of jihadis to the virus and get em on planes fast before they are symptomatic. Cruise through the border without any infection or fever and sit tight until it's time to go.
As they become symptomatic, get on a subway and start coughing and spitting and spreading the fluids around.
It violates their religion. I would not worry about it for that reason. These are religious fanatics who must be buried in special ways when not blowing themselves up for one reason or other.
Not concerned about it, merely bringing a security issue up Â
why don't you do some actual research (you can start by reading the article I linked to) and it will tell you that even if an infected person could build up enough of the virus in their saliva to spread it they would be in no condition to get on a train. Turn off Fox News and get a grip...
It violates their religion. I would not worry about it for that reason. These are religious fanatics who must be buried in special ways when not blowing themselves up for one reason or other.
Btw, most of these psychos are converts who have no concept of the real teachings of the religion. It's not even on the radar - these guys in Canada are prime example, but so is isis teaching bastardized versions of the Quran.
why don't you do some actual research (you can start by reading the article I linked to) and it will tell you that even if an infected person could build up enough of the virus in their saliva to spread it they would be in no condition to get on a train. Turn off Fox News and get a grip...
You're just trying to be a pip. I don't watch Fox and don't need to. I'll allow you to be blind to a well constructed plan which would be pretty easy to execute.
blowing themselves up or driving planes into buildings is to them like dying in a war, which is considered right and nobel a good way to die.
This thing of getting infected and then as result being cremated and coming to a heathen country like the US where likely you would not be buried for a week or so, who knows how long….no. these are religious extremists who want to send the world back to the time of MOhammed…they don't do things contrary to their religion. It is all about their interpretations of their religion. Moderates here they perhaps though Muslim may not worry about the 24 hours thing. Fundametalists certainly do.
So I would not worry. Media saying that I would say like with the virus mutating here…they are fueling the fire of fear to sell coverage and increase ratings.
blowing themselves up or driving planes into buildings is to them like dying in a war, which is considered right and nobel a good way to die.
This thing of getting infected and then as result being cremated and coming to a heathen country like the US where likely you would not be buried for a week or so, who knows how long….no. these are religious extremists who want to send the world back to the time of MOhammed…they don't do things contrary to their religion. It is all about their interpretations of their religion. Moderates here they perhaps though Muslim may not worry about the 24 hours thing. Fundametalists certainly do.
So I would not worry. Media saying that I would say like with the virus mutating here…they are fueling the fire of fear to sell coverage and increase ratings.
Please stop telling me not to worry. 1) if I wanted to worry, I would. I have no reason to and I'm not. 2) im merely presenting a hypothetical scenario based on facts on the ground. If you don't want to play that's fine. 3) the only thing Muslim about these guys is in name only. They prey on the uneducated, indoctrinate them, and teach them a bastardized version of the holy book. The converts who self radicalize never understood it in the first place. Anything about burial rites always is after mission. Don't buy the religious war.
with a Shia collectively to sponsor their terrorism.They don't play well together as they hate each other. but the media spreads such notions. If you are familiar a bit with their religion you can keep the media on the straight and narrow.
If not they can say anything and we know not to not believe it. This ebola and its consequences to the faithful who believe as they do…take my word on it or ask some of them yourself if you have access….they would not do such a thing in such a way.
it will not, but go ahead. I will not step in your way. It's your business not mine. Few you will find believing that could happen for cause but that again is your decision not mine nor theirs.
Been to them all, interacted with people and their cultures and customs. Spent time appreciating all that's new and different. That was my life and work for a long time and I have a better appreciation of what is what than most people around.
Iv's being available our knowledge base improving we will probably with time have a real good success rate.
In any event they will probably quarantine only his girl friend and close contacts is my guess. This will not I think be like Dallas.
Rich bringing the fuckin' heat
For a man who has no idea how to use punctuation, that seems like a weird question to ask.
Yeah, that happens with medical conditions too.
So little suggests this guy was symptomatic on a plane. Symptomatic prior to transport to the hospital is possible as he said he felt sluggish but probably not. He would know when he got a fever.
Everything sounds textbook.
It shows a bit what a joke was that hospital in Dallas. Knew he was in Africa and still sent him home with ebola symptoms 2 nurses down with the illness pictures showing them in inadequate protective gear….could they have done worse. Taken him blood and smeared it around the ER I guess aside that no.
This to the credit of NYC their FD and hospitals….at least right now sounds textbook Kudos to them.
To be fair to Dallas, NY learned a lot from them. Three weeks ago, NYC had no clue either.
I'm not to worried about this guy at all. Like I said NYC did it right, kudos to them.
Four people they say will be quarantined.
They are making excuses for Dallas..Dallas sucked plain flat sucked at their exposure.
Night and day…congrats to all New Yorkers you have a lot to be proud of here it seems.
I mean I knew about it, why would they not or at least be telling their nurses about it to watch for it. We all knew it was there even a month ago.
Nah….I think they sucked at it. NYC would have done better even a month ago is my guess.
Can't fight this feeling
take it on the run.
Pretty Amazing success
I didn't look at Texas but my guess is the same. I've lived in the NYC area years ago and had occasion at times and I was always OK with the treatment.
Here not so much. In NM it had to do with years ago medicaid reimbursements to docs…all the good ones left as they were just to low. Texas my guess is with their health care system it is about the same. More uninsured than anywhere else I suspect Texas is a lot like NM.
Just yes conjecture but my guess is those in NYC are so used to it they don't appreciate it so much. Things really suck in some parts of the country. Really suck.
This is the perfect terrorist delivery device sitting in open fields in diseased ravaged countries with broken down infrastructure. Wrap some martyrs up in it and put em on planes all over the world before they become symptomatic in 8-10 days.
Ugh, just so much horrible stuff in the news right now.
So basically as they cremate those who suffer from this thing and the heart of Isis is the extreme muslim religion….I'd guess they would not do it. All going in would know they would be cremated and not buried and likely not within 24 hours as they require.
So I don't see that happening.
This is the perfect terrorist delivery device sitting in open fields in diseased ravaged countries with broken down infrastructure. Wrap some martyrs up in it and put em on planes all over the world before they become symptomatic in 8-10 days.
Ugh, just so much horrible stuff in the news right now.
Now THAT is some scary shit right there. I bet your not the first one to think of it either.
Ouch.
Everyone is saying…well it is just that Dallas was the first one….I say no we knew of ebola in Africa about 4 or so months ago and first for us was not first at all. I knew about it probably you knew of the threat a month ago…why not the Dallas hospital and admin, who did not do any training for the threat.
The CDC did not help but that hospital performed miserably to my opinion, even considering first case.
They suck I would not send anyone to that hospital if one could avoid it. How much are they not getting caught on? It is just by chance they were caught with untrained personal and inadequate care by this one thing. How many more before when the spotlight was not shining?
So basically as they cremate those who suffer from this thing and the heart of Isis is the extreme muslim religion….I'd guess they would not do it. All going in would know they would be cremated and not buried and likely not within 24 hours as they require.
So I don't see that happening.
Not sure if this was a response, but people are avoiding going to the hospital and dying at home because of forced cremations. But that's a new implement. They've been piling corpses into marked and unmarked graves (along with all the medical waste). Dogs were eating it. Contamination was flowing eight into the river.
The disposal process is not safe, secure, or even completely known to anyone. The dead are under reported.
Just sneezing and coughing all over a subway car is plenty good if you're symptomatic.
Link - ( New Window )
Ok, go find a victim and "care" for him. The first case was just reported in Mali. That's wolf country. Responsible for allowing safe passage of Libyan arms out of the country.
This is a wmd if someone were able to effectuate the proper sequence of events.
Link - ( New Window )
I'm very damn happy to not be doing that anymore.
I never saw anyone REALLY clean those cars other than pickup some trash.
In any event there are many reasons for the spread in Africa. Ebola stays active in a dead body for quite some time. IN Africa like as not it is the family who takes care of the dead body. There may be a bunch of family involved in that, cleaning and dressing the dead body for a funeral. And at the funeral like as not they are touching the dead body as well. That likely is by my take the reason early on for the rapid spread there. Here there is little chance of that.
Eventually they will get it right over there Nigeria already has.
Speaking of NYC as opposed to Dallas NYC FD has something in the range of 30 Haz tec units which was one used with the doc's being transported.
NYC has had them in place for years and years. Trained personal and equipment to handle exactly this type of thing. And they did so admirably. NYC peoples don't I think perhaps, really appreciate in how cutting edge they are in many ways there.All aspects of medical treatment.
I'll be clearer. It is a known fact that the Ebola dead have been piled into unmarked and marked graves. Many of which already seep into the river. Medical waste disposal is no better. It was only recently where cremation was instituted as an order.
Soooo....find some fresh Ebola waste or an Ebola victim. Expose a bunch of jihadis to the virus and get em on planes fast before they are symptomatic. Cruise through the border without any infection or fever and sit tight until it's time to go.
As they become symptomatic, get on a subway and start coughing and spitting and spreading the fluids around.
You think that's far fetched?
I'm a bit confused how a 103.5 fever pops overnight though. Bowlmore Lanes isn't that fun compared to Guinea.
Btw, most of these psychos are converts who have no concept of the real teachings of the religion. It's not even on the radar - these guys in Canada are prime example, but so is isis teaching bastardized versions of the Quran.
You're just trying to be a pip. I don't watch Fox and don't need to. I'll allow you to be blind to a well constructed plan which would be pretty easy to execute.
This thing of getting infected and then as result being cremated and coming to a heathen country like the US where likely you would not be buried for a week or so, who knows how long….no. these are religious extremists who want to send the world back to the time of MOhammed…they don't do things contrary to their religion. It is all about their interpretations of their religion. Moderates here they perhaps though Muslim may not worry about the 24 hours thing. Fundametalists certainly do.
So I would not worry. Media saying that I would say like with the virus mutating here…they are fueling the fire of fear to sell coverage and increase ratings.
This thing of getting infected and then as result being cremated and coming to a heathen country like the US where likely you would not be buried for a week or so, who knows how long….no. these are religious extremists who want to send the world back to the time of MOhammed…they don't do things contrary to their religion. It is all about their interpretations of their religion. Moderates here they perhaps though Muslim may not worry about the 24 hours thing. Fundametalists certainly do.
So I would not worry. Media saying that I would say like with the virus mutating here…they are fueling the fire of fear to sell coverage and increase ratings.
Please stop telling me not to worry. 1) if I wanted to worry, I would. I have no reason to and I'm not. 2) im merely presenting a hypothetical scenario based on facts on the ground. If you don't want to play that's fine. 3) the only thing Muslim about these guys is in name only. They prey on the uneducated, indoctrinate them, and teach them a bastardized version of the holy book. The converts who self radicalize never understood it in the first place. Anything about burial rites always is after mission. Don't buy the religious war.
If not they can say anything and we know not to not believe it. This ebola and its consequences to the faithful who believe as they do…take my word on it or ask some of them yourself if you have access….they would not do such a thing in such a way.
Bingo!