and when they lack it I have a hard time with that. I can't stand him and have wanted him gone for 3 years now. Him and Quinn really bother me on this team.
The Giants have had Net 3 extra possessions this season. 11 ints corralled by the defense to elis *4* INTS and 4 team fumbles. The Cardinals and Cowboys games should have been wins for us.
I'm not the biggest Fewell dude in the world, but the defense-secondary especially-has really been hit by injuries/stupidity (Hill). I think the Giants really banked on their secondary carrying the defense & unfortunately it's not working out right now.
I said the same things about Gilbride, but the difference is, Gilbride when he had the players has a resume of success.
Tell me, when does Fewell's defense get a stop with the game on the line, against a good team.
As far back as last year, second game against Dallas, when the Giants miraculously after that 0-6 start, had a chance to claim their season.
I don't remember how far they were behind, was it 21-0, but I do remember a score that tied the game with 4 minutes to go. Just get a stop, Eli will win the game. Dallas right down the field. Yes I know they abused Rolle, but isn't there something a "D" coordinator can do to keep the same play from working time after time.
Last week in Dallas, Giants score, plenty of time left. Giants defense doesn't even challenge Dallas on 3rd downs.
The guys defenses have been awful, even during the Super Bowl win. Do you remember after a great comeback by Eli against Dallas, needing a key stop, receiver wide open on 3rd down, only thing that saved Fewell's defense was Romo's inability to hit wide open receiver.
Even in the Super Bowl.....4th and 18, get a stop, win the Super Bowl........no dice. Giants have to survive a last second Hail Mary that came too close for comfort to a result that would have been the worst loss in the history of this franchise, maybe in the history of the NFL.
Fewell, is over-matched and if the Giants are to get back into play off contention, it will have to be with the offense, it won't be with the defense, which by many accounts is a very talented unit.
Injuries, they were pretty healthy when Detroit carved them up.
Wish I had confidence in him, but would love to see a change at DC
It is painful to watch them play well for two downs
And blow it on 3rd over and over again. I have never been a fan of the PF defense. Too may receivers running free, especially in the middle of the field.
Fool sucks, no question. He's lived off the 6 game run in 2011.
His replacement will be like FA players....
Mara like Reese tries to find cheap coaches
w little experience and hope they pan out...
Spags was the only one who did...
bargain players w injuries...beason...should be
ired now and sign player to learn D on bye...
1 week gone no moves...should have cut cox and
signed Jones too...we are going on a run is a joke
...for a reason. Any wins that have come our way in the years he's been here have been in spite of him, and not because of his great defensive mind.
He coaches scared, is slow to make adjustments, and boy even if we had a great offense, the defense can't get off the field and any momentum the offense does get...the defense hands it right back to the apposing offense.
Coughlin is either clueless or senile to keep this man on the staff.
simply that we won a SB with him and it is tough to replace those guys after that accomplishment. His record after that is very poor but that how it is. Everyone has a pass for a few years and he is not the only one.
of the D these past few season is the near complete inability to get a big stop in a meaningful game.
As someone mentioned above even in the Super Bowl victory the Pats converted a huge fourth down. Is there anyone out there who thinks that the D would have stopped the Pats on that final drive? Thank God there was so little time remaining.
I also think of last season, which was a shit show, but with as bad as it was Eli still brought the team down to tie it up late in the biggest game of the year (second Dallas game). Sure enough like clockwork Dallas came down into field goal range and won it.
For years under this coordinator the D can not make a big stop.
The other issue is the inability to create pressure packages that get home. If the front four is not generating pressure there will be no pass pressure. Is it talent or scheme?
There is still a lot of season to go this year. But it may be time for the Giants to blow up the D as well just like they did with the offense.
between that gif posted above and when the Giants drop a DLman is that the Giants player just drops back looking side to side, arms up with the hope of muddling the middle or blocking a pass...vs. dropping off for a specific player and immediately targeting and mirroring the moves of that specific player.
I think PF's days could be numbered after this season but the real reason the defense is under performing is due to a severely banged up and undermanned defense....Beason - done, DRC - limited and cld require a multiple game rest, McBride - done, CTaylor - done, Thurmond - done, Hill - gone....pass rush was always a gamble with just JPP but the second level was supposed to be the strength and now it's a weakness.
But for some reason people recognize the talent deficiency there and don't start daily threads about cutting McAdoo's head off. I guess this is still the honeymoon phase, though.. those will start next year.
between that gif posted above and when the Giants drop a DLman is that the Giants player just drops back looking side to side, arms up with the hope of muddling the middle or blocking a pass...vs. dropping off for a specific player and immediately targeting and mirroring the moves of that specific player.
I think PF's days could be numbered after this season but the real reason the defense is under performing is due to a severely banged up and undermanned defense....Beason - done, DRC - limited and cld require a multiple game rest, McBride - done, CTaylor - done, Thurmond - done, Hill - gone....pass rush was always a gamble with just JPP but the second level was supposed to be the strength and now it's a weakness.
McDonald is dropping into a zone in that .gif.. Graham came across it, so he picked him up. He wasn't assigned to him 1 on 1.
in his 11 years and that was for 2 years only with Spags.
His other choices have been brutal including Fewell. I think if there is one major issue with Tom it is his coaching selections. Fewell has been a mediocre DC...the same problems seem to arise every year. Quinn has been the same as special teams coordinator.
In both cases, these units never seem to contribute in terms of scoring or field position. Fewell's schemes are awful...as pointed out in the game review. Look at how much better Dallas is playing with probably less talent but with a much better DC.
It appears to be declining talent and suspect schemes
The DL talent level has fallen off a cliff, and they've spent the UFA, resources on CB instead of the DL, which matches PF's basic philosophy of deploying scheme from the back to front.
They need to continue building the DL around JPP and Hankins, need draft propsects at DE to bookend opposite JPP and at DT to grow with Hankins.
They need to add two safeties, and a young CB to groom behind DRC. They need a MIKE to replace Beason, and a OLB prospect to play opposite Kennard (not sure of him at MIKE yet).
And it's time to replace PF. He makes too many strange decisions designing gameplans and during games, frequently out-gameplanned and beaten in-game, he defaults to zone basics when scared and the opposition quickly recognizes it and attacks. Virtually every season, we see and hear the poor communication and blown coverages, that falls squarely on teaching and communication by the DC.
and McAdoo's a rookie who's demonstrating both promise and growing pains.
The brass spent money on the defense, and I think the fan perspective still overrates the talent on this side of the LOS, thus the criticism along with targeting PF, rightly so, imo.
But I thing he's a decent coach. The Giants defense under Fewell has generally been bend but don't break, but in some instances in games or in whole chunks of games, they do break. But most of the time, they do succeed in keeping us in the games.
That said, I'm not a fan of the read and react, while I believe Fewell's defense is at least partially based on. I think the best defenses are able to dictate what the other team can and can't do. With R&R, you're allowing the offense to attempt to dictate, and they based on what levels of success they're able to achieve, the offense has to adapt. This is why we get the bend but don't break system.
That said, my biggest beef about the defense is not the system or the coordinator. It's the team philosophy toward the linebackers. We are consistently vulnerable to the tight end and running backs on passing plays, and this comes from not making the position a priority.
I think it's safe to assume that our best linebackers since the age of LT and Banks are Jessie Armstead and Antonio Pierce. Well, Armstead was an eighth round pick in 1993. Today, he would have been an undrafted free agent. The Giants struck gold on a low risk investment, which is all they ever try to do anymore at that position.
Antonio Pierce was signed as a free agent in 2005. Before that, he was an undrafted free agent with the Redskins. He played four seasons in Washington, and it wasn't until his last season in DC that he became a standout player. He did nothing in 2002 and 2003. Certainly not a veteran with a PROVEN track record.
Take Beason. He was a nice pickup last season, and we were excited having him come back this season (until the injuries started). But would have have cracked the starting lineup of Taylor, Banks, Reasons, and Johnson? Highly doubtful, even without the injury history.
And seemingly every guy they brought in is now hurt.
Thurmond is out, DRC has something vague wrong with him that keeps him out of games, Ayers was playing great and now has a neck injury, Demps isn't hurt, he's just mediocre, Beason hasn't played all season.
when was the last time you had confidence in a PF defense?
I never felt he put his players in a position to win, outside of that one stretch....I never felt he utilized the strengths of this defense.....I have never seen a Giant defensive unit that consistently has the miscommunication problems that his defense has.....
The smile on the blown coverage of Escobar, says it all....
I love the body language readers, too.. a guy called WFAN yesterday going BALLISTIC about how Fewell was "smiling" after the TD and how he should have been screaming like Marinelli was after bad plays by his defense.
I'm sure he was smiling in an "awesome, love when my defense gets scored on! Who cares about football" kind of way..
he is good enough to get by with if his front 4 get pressure, as is any DC IMO. His biggest problem, from my untrained eye, is his inability to adjust when things aren't going according to plan and to create a decent blitz scheme, if front 4 aren't cutting it. Additionally, he just can't seem to get everyone on the same page. Way too many blown coverages and receivers running wide open. With that said, we still need more athletic, playmakers on D. Nice foundation of players, when healthy, but there's no body that scares offenses, other then possibly JPP.
that Saints game actully shows why either Fewell's scheme is bad, or the player he's trying to drop isn't capable. Their lineman looks for the TE and ACTUALLY COVERS him. If you noticed what Cullen Jenkins does, he drops into an area and stands there looking around. Big Difference.
It's more than injuries, we've been collectively discussing the same issues with regards to PF since he's been at post.
Exactly...
He does coach scared; frankly, as a fan, it sucks to watch. I think most of us understand out talent level on Def is far from great but you can look around the league and see other teams executing far better with less talent.
that Saints game actully shows why either Fewell's scheme is bad, or the player he's trying to drop isn't capable. Their lineman looks for the TE and ACTUALLY COVERS him. If you noticed what Cullen Jenkins does, he drops into an area and stands there looking around. Big Difference.
It also shows that the Seahawks were not only getting pressure with their front 4 all year last year, but they were even getting to the QB with THREE man rushes and forcing early throws. If Brees has more time back there, I doubt McDonald is holding coverage on Graham much longer and he would have passed through that zone anyway.
You have to get pressure with your front 4 in this league. If you cannot do it, you're cooked. We can't do it right now.
I suspect the media and fans are skewing his unit's actual performance, given how their offense is dominating TOS and doing a lot of damage. They're collectively playing above their individual parts, but also grading out rather poorly on the whole.
I love the body language readers, too.. a guy called WFAN yesterday going BALLISTIC about how Fewell was "smiling" after the TD and how he should have been screaming like Marinelli was after bad plays by his defense.
I'm sure he was smiling in an "awesome, love when my defense gets scored on! Who cares about football" kind of way..
The Giants have had Net 3 extra possessions this season. 11 ints corralled by the defense to elis *4* INTS and 4 team fumbles. The Cardinals and Cowboys games should have been wins for us.
Cardinals was a colossal choke all around, easy win. The Cowboys game, Tom Couglin lost, period. His dumb speech that we must establish the run at halftime of the Eagles game keeps proving he simply does not have what it takes to change up mid game to win. The Run against the Cowboys was pathetic. What made it worse, was the insistence to run regardless of score or situation. His presser this week "we are not going to pass it all over and turn the ball over, were going to continue to run" is also idiotic. ITS A NEW OFFENSE. WE SHOULD BE PASSSING TO SET UP THE RUN YOU STUBBORN MAN!! Look at our stats. We ran 80% on 1st down and were manhandled at the line of scrimmage. In 3 wins, we run 57% on first down, pass 33%, in 4 losses? the number is reversed.
Come on - its f*cking simple. Trust your QB, he is already doing damn well at throwing the ball away when a play is not there in the new Offense. Or Hell, put in the damn pistol and run all you god damn want, at least its disguisable than you current crop of shit, lets find Peyton Hillis and jam him at the line
I suspect the media and fans are skewing his unit's actual performance, given how their offense is dominating TOS and doing a lot of damage. They're collectively playing above their individual parts, but also grading out rather poorly on the whole.
I've made far too many posts on that subject than I'd even like to admit, but yes.. that's exactly what's going on. Unfortunately, most haven't caught on yet and think he's leading some revolutionary charge down in Dallas.
I'm not saying Marinelli's made them a GOOD defense
It was literally impossible for them to be worse. They're better by default. There's really nothing good about their defense this year. Not good on 3rd down, giving up just about the same amount of yardage per possession as we are.. 6 sacks in 7 games..
I'll say this: Beason sucking wind certainly didn't help Fewell's cause this year.
9 games to go. Let's see if the team has a little run in it.
Tell me, when does Fewell's defense get a stop with the game on the line, against a good team.
As far back as last year, second game against Dallas, when the Giants miraculously after that 0-6 start, had a chance to claim their season.
I don't remember how far they were behind, was it 21-0, but I do remember a score that tied the game with 4 minutes to go. Just get a stop, Eli will win the game. Dallas right down the field. Yes I know they abused Rolle, but isn't there something a "D" coordinator can do to keep the same play from working time after time.
Last week in Dallas, Giants score, plenty of time left. Giants defense doesn't even challenge Dallas on 3rd downs.
The guys defenses have been awful, even during the Super Bowl win. Do you remember after a great comeback by Eli against Dallas, needing a key stop, receiver wide open on 3rd down, only thing that saved Fewell's defense was Romo's inability to hit wide open receiver.
Even in the Super Bowl.....4th and 18, get a stop, win the Super Bowl........no dice. Giants have to survive a last second Hail Mary that came too close for comfort to a result that would have been the worst loss in the history of this franchise, maybe in the history of the NFL.
Fewell, is over-matched and if the Giants are to get back into play off contention, it will have to be with the offense, it won't be with the defense, which by many accounts is a very talented unit.
Injuries, they were pretty healthy when Detroit carved them up.
Wish I had confidence in him, but would love to see a change at DC
4th down in the ATL game
Mara like Reese tries to find cheap coaches
w little experience and hope they pan out...
Spags was the only one who did...
bargain players w injuries...beason...should be
ired now and sign player to learn D on bye...
1 week gone no moves...should have cut cox and
signed Jones too...we are going on a run is a joke
He coaches scared, is slow to make adjustments, and boy even if we had a great offense, the defense can't get off the field and any momentum the offense does get...the defense hands it right back to the apposing offense.
Coughlin is either clueless or senile to keep this man on the staff.
As someone mentioned above even in the Super Bowl victory the Pats converted a huge fourth down. Is there anyone out there who thinks that the D would have stopped the Pats on that final drive? Thank God there was so little time remaining.
I also think of last season, which was a shit show, but with as bad as it was Eli still brought the team down to tie it up late in the biggest game of the year (second Dallas game). Sure enough like clockwork Dallas came down into field goal range and won it.
For years under this coordinator the D can not make a big stop.
The other issue is the inability to create pressure packages that get home. If the front four is not generating pressure there will be no pass pressure. Is it talent or scheme?
There is still a lot of season to go this year. But it may be time for the Giants to blow up the D as well just like they did with the offense.
I think PF's days could be numbered after this season but the real reason the defense is under performing is due to a severely banged up and undermanned defense....Beason - done, DRC - limited and cld require a multiple game rest, McBride - done, CTaylor - done, Thurmond - done, Hill - gone....pass rush was always a gamble with just JPP but the second level was supposed to be the strength and now it's a weakness.
I think PF's days could be numbered after this season but the real reason the defense is under performing is due to a severely banged up and undermanned defense....Beason - done, DRC - limited and cld require a multiple game rest, McBride - done, CTaylor - done, Thurmond - done, Hill - gone....pass rush was always a gamble with just JPP but the second level was supposed to be the strength and now it's a weakness.
McDonald is dropping into a zone in that .gif.. Graham came across it, so he picked him up. He wasn't assigned to him 1 on 1.
His other choices have been brutal including Fewell. I think if there is one major issue with Tom it is his coaching selections. Fewell has been a mediocre DC...the same problems seem to arise every year. Quinn has been the same as special teams coordinator.
In both cases, these units never seem to contribute in terms of scoring or field position. Fewell's schemes are awful...as pointed out in the game review. Look at how much better Dallas is playing with probably less talent but with a much better DC.
They need to continue building the DL around JPP and Hankins, need draft propsects at DE to bookend opposite JPP and at DT to grow with Hankins.
They need to add two safeties, and a young CB to groom behind DRC. They need a MIKE to replace Beason, and a OLB prospect to play opposite Kennard (not sure of him at MIKE yet).
And it's time to replace PF. He makes too many strange decisions designing gameplans and during games, frequently out-gameplanned and beaten in-game, he defaults to zone basics when scared and the opposition quickly recognizes it and attacks. Virtually every season, we see and hear the poor communication and blown coverages, that falls squarely on teaching and communication by the DC.
The brass spent money on the defense, and I think the fan perspective still overrates the talent on this side of the LOS, thus the criticism along with targeting PF, rightly so, imo.
That said, I'm not a fan of the read and react, while I believe Fewell's defense is at least partially based on. I think the best defenses are able to dictate what the other team can and can't do. With R&R, you're allowing the offense to attempt to dictate, and they based on what levels of success they're able to achieve, the offense has to adapt. This is why we get the bend but don't break system.
That said, my biggest beef about the defense is not the system or the coordinator. It's the team philosophy toward the linebackers. We are consistently vulnerable to the tight end and running backs on passing plays, and this comes from not making the position a priority.
I think it's safe to assume that our best linebackers since the age of LT and Banks are Jessie Armstead and Antonio Pierce. Well, Armstead was an eighth round pick in 1993. Today, he would have been an undrafted free agent. The Giants struck gold on a low risk investment, which is all they ever try to do anymore at that position.
Antonio Pierce was signed as a free agent in 2005. Before that, he was an undrafted free agent with the Redskins. He played four seasons in Washington, and it wasn't until his last season in DC that he became a standout player. He did nothing in 2002 and 2003. Certainly not a veteran with a PROVEN track record.
Take Beason. He was a nice pickup last season, and we were excited having him come back this season (until the injuries started). But would have have cracked the starting lineup of Taylor, Banks, Reasons, and Johnson? Highly doubtful, even without the injury history.
Thurmond is out, DRC has something vague wrong with him that keeps him out of games, Ayers was playing great and now has a neck injury, Demps isn't hurt, he's just mediocre, Beason hasn't played all season.
I never felt he put his players in a position to win, outside of that one stretch....I never felt he utilized the strengths of this defense.....I have never seen a Giant defensive unit that consistently has the miscommunication problems that his defense has.....
The smile on the blown coverage of Escobar, says it all....
I'm sure he was smiling in an "awesome, love when my defense gets scored on! Who cares about football" kind of way..
Exactly...
He does coach scared; frankly, as a fan, it sucks to watch. I think most of us understand out talent level on Def is far from great but you can look around the league and see other teams executing far better with less talent.
It also shows that the Seahawks were not only getting pressure with their front 4 all year last year, but they were even getting to the QB with THREE man rushes and forcing early throws. If Brees has more time back there, I doubt McDonald is holding coverage on Graham much longer and he would have passed through that zone anyway.
You have to get pressure with your front 4 in this league. If you cannot do it, you're cooked. We can't do it right now.
I'm sure he was smiling in an "awesome, love when my defense gets scored on! Who cares about football" kind of way..
Tim Lewis was a screamer. Worked out really well.
Cardinals was a colossal choke all around, easy win. The Cowboys game, Tom Couglin lost, period. His dumb speech that we must establish the run at halftime of the Eagles game keeps proving he simply does not have what it takes to change up mid game to win. The Run against the Cowboys was pathetic. What made it worse, was the insistence to run regardless of score or situation. His presser this week "we are not going to pass it all over and turn the ball over, were going to continue to run" is also idiotic. ITS A NEW OFFENSE. WE SHOULD BE PASSSING TO SET UP THE RUN YOU STUBBORN MAN!! Look at our stats. We ran 80% on 1st down and were manhandled at the line of scrimmage. In 3 wins, we run 57% on first down, pass 33%, in 4 losses? the number is reversed.
Come on - its f*cking simple. Trust your QB, he is already doing damn well at throwing the ball away when a play is not there in the new Offense. Or Hell, put in the damn pistol and run all you god damn want, at least its disguisable than you current crop of shit, lets find Peyton Hillis and jam him at the line
I've made far too many posts on that subject than I'd even like to admit, but yes.. that's exactly what's going on. Unfortunately, most haven't caught on yet and think he's leading some revolutionary charge down in Dallas.
Seriously, their defensive roster is anonymous.
I don't get people defending him after watching him for four years.
It was literally impossible for them to be worse. They're better by default. There's really nothing good about their defense this year. Not good on 3rd down, giving up just about the same amount of yardage per possession as we are.. 6 sacks in 7 games..
As the year goes on, it'll become more obvious.