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Lost current enthusiasm for Giants because of Perry Fool.

PonderingObserver : 10/24/2014 12:57 am
Sorry I just can't help it. He's bringing me down.
I need a critical stop.
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Let's not forget....  
Wonderphil11 : 10/24/2014 10:35 am : link
the incredible luck of Rolando rising from the ashes...must make Raiders fans sick.
RE: .  
dep026 : 10/24/2014 10:44 am : link
In comment 11938413 arcarsenal said:
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Lee and Ware both missed games last year and weren't 100% and since when was Morris Claiborne a factor?


If trumaine Mcbride is a factor for us when he is missing., so is claiborne. Claiborne was a starting corner. Whether or not he was good, he is still missing.

And Jason hatcher was very good for them last year too.
aggressive mouths  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 10/24/2014 10:57 am : link
not aggressive on the field
RE: aggressive mouths  
arcarsenal : 10/24/2014 11:15 am : link
In comment 11938456 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
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not aggressive on the field


Agree w/ this.. we should be blitzing and playing cover 0 on every down.

Only blitzing more than half the league is NOT aggressive enough.
A simple question:  
PeterS : 10/24/2014 12:51 pm : link
Who would you replace him with?
A simple answer:  
TC : 10/24/2014 1:00 pm : link
Spags.

Considering the way Fewell's D periodically gets shredded, as by Philly, what's the point of a careful, prevent defense? And while I know some think John Gruden a clown, he was ripping the Giants' D scheme up and down last time he did a Giants' game. And I think even his biggest critics need to admit he knows something about exploiting a defense's vulnerabilities.
think its telling  
area junc : 10/24/2014 1:06 pm : link
that with the exception of 1 or 2 (there's always 1 or 2) it's unanimous he stinks and there is plenty of evidence that the players dont like it either

in terms of a name, spags is a good one. i would've loved to get leslie frazier too. would also take jim schwartz over fewell any day
RE: A simple question:  
Reb8thVA : 10/24/2014 1:08 pm : link
In comment 11938639 PeterS said:
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Who would you replace him with?


The question masks an ulterior agenda. If you can't name someone then he shouldn't be replaced. Who would have named Spagnuolo after Tim Lewis was fired? Probably no one.

Fewell is the definition of mediocre and I do think he coaches scared. Other than the six game run in 2011 I am hard pressed to say I was wowed by his game plan. Even with that six game run there there were equal times when he has made some real head scratching decisions, like the game against the Colts a few years back when he sold out to stop the Colts passing game and they ran all over the defense instead.

He's better than Sheridan or Lewis but I really haven't had great confidence in him. Even if we were healthy on defense or there was a slight increase in talent I still think he would coach the same way. I just think injuries and "lack of talent" only reinforce his passive proclivities.
forgot about  
area junc : 10/24/2014 1:10 pm : link
ray horton, too. would glady take him over PF although he's a 34 guy
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arcarsenal : 10/24/2014 1:13 pm : link
It's going to be sad, but funny when the next guy comes in here and we're still an average defense with holes and issues and then everyone starts blaming Coughlin or whoever the coach is for picking the "wrong" guy again.
let's not forget  
area junc : 10/24/2014 1:20 pm : link
that 6-game run followed a player mutiny where antrel rolle almost walked out on the team and the players were ripping fewell due overly complex scheme
it seemed they were 19 of 20 on third downs  
bluetothegrave : 10/24/2014 1:28 pm : link
Absolutely awful. Instead of blitzing on 3rd down or doing whatever we had to do to disrupt romo we did nothing and romo and dex shredded us. Absolutely shredded us. The drive that tied the game late in 2nd quarter just kind of epitomizes fewell. A great defense on 1st and 2nd down. we have them where we want them and then ho hum no problem they convert on 3rd. All the time. Why wouldnt you double dex bryant? best receiver in football. Best. On third down send 5 and double dez. Instead the best receiver in football did his thing. Prine had good coverage most of the game too. Dez is that good. 3-4 and 3.5 games behind eagles and cowboys. This could get very ugle.
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arcarsenal : 10/24/2014 1:29 pm : link
DUBBLE DEX BRYENT!!!

FIRE FERRY POOL!!!!
They sent the house late in the game  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/24/2014 1:34 pm : link
and Dez Bryant still caught the game-icing TD.

That was a blitz. They literally sent everyone and didn't even disguise it.
Hex, Dex!  
TC : 10/24/2014 1:36 pm : link
Ferry, Pool!
being Perry's constant advocate is a level of contrarianism  
chris r : 10/24/2014 1:38 pm : link
even I won't go to.
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arcarsenal : 10/24/2014 1:54 pm : link
Another solid contribution to the thread, radar. Thanks for that.

And don't you worry, I'll be doing this same song and dance for the next guy when his average talent continues to get him average results and everyone finds new buzzwords and phrases to describe why his defense sucks.. like "soft zones" or say that he's not using an "attacking defense"

It's fun to just make things up. Like.. when Thomas the insider decides to post on BBI that Perry blitzes less than any DC in the league and just ignores it when that gets debunked.

Or when people continue to claim that our CB's play 10 yards off on every down (they don't)

But hey, this is a message board.. so we can just throw whatever shit at the wall we want because it doesn't really matter if it's true or not.
really im smart..really i am  
bluetothegrave : 10/24/2014 1:54 pm : link
dex is dez's nickname from his 4th grade kickball "dexterity" a little something something for the peanut gallery.:)

He is so so good. I know we blitzed at times, I also know the dallas offensive line is fabulous but you have to find a way to disrupt romo a tiny bit more on big third downs. I liked the blitz call there late it just didnt work.
RE: I like Fewell  
SoZKillA : 10/24/2014 3:02 pm : link
In comment 11938180 aquidneck said:
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Best DC since John Fox. Maybe better.




This is a joke right ????? Please tell me you're kidding
Arc, your funny man..  
prdave73 : 10/24/2014 3:16 pm : link
So tell us what you think Perry Fewell does well as a DC?? In your eyes what makes you think he getting the job done and that he the right coach for the Giants?? I'm interested..
arc  
JonC : 10/24/2014 3:20 pm : link
I hear you, but PF is part of the problem they must solve. It no longer makes sense to me to roll this dude out to the sideline, filing it under the keep doing the same thing while expecting different results pile. Imv. Time for change.
I used to defend Fewell as well as most the coaching staff  
Mason : 10/24/2014 3:46 pm : link
But his inability to sit Kiwi in the place of Moore is disturbing. Bromley outplayed Kuhn and Patterson in preseason (and yes Bromley was on the field with those guys) and he can't get snaps over them in the regular season? When coaches become complacent in thinking they have such luxuries, it is time to send them on their way.

Kiwi has 18 tackles and 1.5 sacks. I mean come on with this shit. Moore has 12 tackles and 2 sacks Kiwi's 365 snaps to Moore's 114 snaps. You don't need a batcomputer to see a problem with those numbers.
RE: Arc, your funny man..  
arcarsenal : 10/24/2014 3:49 pm : link
In comment 11938884 prdave73 said:
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So tell us what you think Perry Fewell does well as a DC?? In your eyes what makes you think he getting the job done and that he the right coach for the Giants?? I'm interested..


I put a lot of value in forcing turnovers because when you win the turnover battle in this league, you have a very good chance of winning football games. Every single one of Perry's defenses have been above average in that regard and most of them here have been top 5 in football. It's not coincidental because he's been unbelievably consistent in getting those results.

The problem is that we're not getting to the QB anymore. It's the part of the equation that is missing and it starts up front. Any time this defense has been able to get to the QB, they've done exceptionally well. They were able to do it often in 2010 and were the best defense in football in forcing turnovers.. they were also the best 3rd down defense in the league (most likely because of their ability to get to QB's)

What Fewell is doing does not need 11 All-Pro players but they HAVE to be able to get a push with the front 4 and collapse the pocket. This is going to be true for most defenses.

The best defenses in football don't need to blitz a lot. SEA and SF were near the bottom of the NFL in blitzing frequency last year and both fielded top tier units. People keep overvaluing blitzes and have this skewed perception that the best defenses are the ones that blitz a lot. It's not true. The teams that blitz a lot are the teams that cannot get a push up front and those teams usually do not have effective blitzes, either. Like us.

Seattle was tops in the league in pressures last year and this year they are dead last. No one is going to sit here and tell me with a straight face that Quinn lost his ability to coach overnight or that he abandoned everything that worked last year.

Get the front four right (I think it's time to give Moore more snaps and move on from Kiwi for starters) and I guarantee the defense will be fine. (It would be nice if we could add a talented OLB but I guess that's being greedy)
If a 3-4 season has you this down  
Sonic Youth : 10/24/2014 3:50 pm : link
You aren't a real fan.
I have no love for Fewell  
BrettNYG10 : 10/24/2014 3:53 pm : link
But agree with arc on this. I've said that Fewell is pretty average - he's largely directly correlated to the caliber of players on the field. He doesn't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. There are few guys who can.

We simply don't have a very talented defense. I like our DT's, JPP, our CB's, and Rolle. Everything else is pretty mediocre. Moore may be a player one day, but he's still rawe.
I agree with getting Moore involved more,  
prdave73 : 10/24/2014 4:29 pm : link
But if the front four is not getting the job done why doesn't Fewell make adjustments to deal with the lack of pressure?? Why doesn't he at least change some of schemes to create more pressure via blitzing??

Here's just on simple example. That one play where the cowboys where inside the Redzone and Romo threw that TD to the TE Escobar. Fewell had a four man rush and everyone else drop back to defend, The dline got no pressure and Romo scrambled around and had all day to find someone. Imo the Giants had good coverage too, but Romo had to much time, had Fewell thrown a blitz on that play to create some more pressure, just maybe Romo would had thrown the ball away or got sacked due to the good coverage by the Giants.. I just think he could have made an adjustment there especially since the front four had been struggling to create pressure.. He just doesn't seem to adjust well when needed.. Sometimes being to safe can hurt you as well..
Brett,  
AnishPatel : 10/24/2014 4:39 pm : link
If that's he case and the talent is lacking then let's force the issue. Let's not get bent over. Can we dial up blitzes that actually get home? Perhaps IF they get home, coach up the blitzes not to consistently miss the fucking QB time after time.

It's painful to see that. A finally well designed blitz, that finally gets home and the QB makes a move the blitzer goes flying by.

If the talent is lacking defensively and our offense is below that in talent and learning a new system, then that's on Ross and Reese. They need to really step up and fix this fucking team that's apparently void of talent, if we are assuming our defense is lacking in talent.
so then fire Nunn, if it's not Fewell's fault the front 4 sucks  
SHO'NUFF : 10/24/2014 5:25 pm : link
send a message...I agree about needing better blitz packages...I agree with Kiwi vs DaMonster...we never have our best players on the field because of "mental" issues or some sort of other issue.
RE: hard to blame Fewell  
Giants4246 : 10/24/2014 5:39 pm : link
In comment 11938185 aquidneck said:
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When the O gets nothing against lackluster eagles D.

I'll say this: Beason sucking wind certainly didn't help Fewell's cause this year.

9 games to go. Let's see if the team has a little run in it.


9 games to go already down 3 in the division with 2 division losses, they basically need to win the 7 out of 9 to have any shot at the playoffs.
RE: If a 3-4 season has you this down  
Giants4246 : 10/24/2014 5:46 pm : link
In comment 11938943 Sonic Youth said:
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You aren't a real fan.


Well when the team leading the division is 6-1 (and you just lost to them), the second place team clobbered you on national TV 2 weeks ago and you're 3 games out of the division lead with 9 to go even the biggest fan like myself is feeling a little down.
RE: The problem is  
ed90631 : 10/24/2014 7:52 pm : link
In comment 11938272 TMS said:
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simply that we won a SB with him and it is tough to replace those guys after that accomplishment. His record after that is very poor but that how it is. Everyone has a pass for a few years and he is not the only one.


Tom Landry was God in Dallas but they didn't hesitate to give him his walking papers when the game had passed him by. The NFL is a "what have you done for me lately", no nonsense, results oriented league. It's this year's trophy that matters, not last year's.
It is a good thing that you weren't a fan in the '70's then if today's  
carpoon : 10/24/2014 9:48 pm : link
team has you all upset.
If its the players...  
trueblueinpw : 10/24/2014 10:11 pm : link
Amazing, but true, some continue to defend Fewell. Their argument is simple, but consistent: Fewell doesn't have great players. But, ummm, doesn't that actually make the very point that Fewell isn't a good coach? If the Giants had great players on defense, they wouldn't need a good coach. Right? The point is that Fewell gets nothing much out of the talent he has to work with.

Why?  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/24/2014 10:13 pm : link
If you've been a fan of this franchise for along time, why would you let an average coordinator let you lose your enthusiasm for this franchise? He'll be gone soon enough, anyways.
no coincidence  
HomerJones45 : 10/24/2014 10:43 pm : link
That the same crew who pumped for a change of OC are pumping for a change of DC. These are the guys who believe some magic "scheme" will produce instant results.
RE: A simple answer:  
PeterS : 10/24/2014 10:53 pm : link
In comment 11938666 TC said:
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Spags.

Considering the way Fewell's D periodically gets shredded, as by Philly, what's the point of a careful, prevent defense? And while I know some think John Gruden a clown, he was ripping the Giants' D scheme up and down last time he did a Giants' game. And I think even his biggest critics need to admit he knows something about exploiting a defense's vulnerabilities.


NOT so simple as he was promoted to assistant head coach of the Ravens.
We could have beaten AZ and DALLAS  
SGMen : 10/24/2014 11:44 pm : link
Those are two games where a little bit of luck (turnovers) could have changed the outcome.

Even if we just won vs AZ we could still be fighting for the playoffs.

Now we have to beat the Colts to get our confidence up and that won't be easy.
I wonder if Perry reads this board and...  
PonderingObserver : 10/25/2014 12:47 am : link
even considers any of the many and various observations.
Or is he set in his ways and beliefs as has been demonstrated over the past 3 years.
RE: RE: A simple answer:  
TC : 10/25/2014 12:47 am : link
In comment 11939292 PeterS said:
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In comment 11938666 TC said:


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Spags.

Considering the way Fewell's D periodically gets shredded, as by Philly, what's the point of a careful, prevent defense? And while I know some think John Gruden a clown, he was ripping the Giants' D scheme up and down last time he did a Giants' game. And I think even his biggest critics need to admit he knows something about exploiting a defense's vulnerabilities.



NOT so simple as he was promoted to assistant head coach of the Ravens.


Spags was only an example. So, make him DC and assistant HC. Should outrank a DB/AHC. Rock, paper, scissors.

I don't pay that much attention to other teams, but I bet there's some talent floating around. Other teams seem to come up with a Dom Capers or Rod Marinelli, why can't the Giants? Make him a DC/AHC if needed to pry him from another team.

Bet there might even be some good defensive minds among the college ranks. Maybe a HC who would like to make it to the NFL with a good D background.

I just don't see Fewell as that hard to better. And frankly, Spags aside, under Coughlin, the Giants just haven't been bursting with coaching talent.
Three weeks ago there was a good bit of justified noise about how  
BlueLou : 10/25/2014 2:31 am : link
well Ayers was playing and what a pleasant surprise he was. Then he goes down to injury, the D takes a nose dive, and Perry Fewell becomes an idiot?

Look he's not a great DC by any stretch, but he's a competent professional, who does OK with the cards he's dealt. When he doesn't have even a pair he loses more often than not, as do we all playing Texas hold 'em.
It's funny..  
arcarsenal : 10/25/2014 3:47 am : link
Because I've basically become THE Perry Fewell apologist on this board but my honest opinion of him is that he's basically just a decent DC. Really nothing more. But I defend him because in my eyes, what he's trying to do would work if we could just get the goddamn front four going again. It's how we won a SB with him and it's how we won one with Spags.

When I watch the games, I see the guy try to lean on his front 4 and hope they can get there.. but a lot of times they don't. So then he has to start trying to bring more pressure and to my eyes, the majority of the guys who he sends do an awful job of getting through.. when they DO get through, they whiff... and every time he sends an extra guy or two, there's one less in coverage so when the blitzes don't get there, the QB almost always finds a guy who has beaten his single coverage or a guy who has found a spot in the zone (and it's hard to cover a lot of grass in a zone if you're blitzing). So then what?

Maybe he could be better at disguising but that only gets you so far. I think Pagano in SD does a great job of that but even that lost effectiveness against Denver after a little bit because the blitzers started to wear down and Denver started adjusting. Ditto last week, IIRC.

At the core, it's just very basic. Get a push up front, collapse the pocket, limit the throwing lanes and all of a sudden you start forcing bad throws, turnovers and punts. We have to find a way to do better up front.
Fewell is the JAG of defensive coaches  
Jimmy Googs : 10/25/2014 5:26 am : link
its not that he is bad, but he certainly isn't going to out-coach anybody with some type of fabulous gameplan or scheme. And certainly with nobody really on the team that can blitz, unless we get pressure from the DE position, he has to play a bit of retreat. How long do you think even a good secondary can hold up if there is limited pressure.

The team spent a good amount of money on the defense but it has taken some big hits thus far (losing Hill, Beason injury, Thurmond and McBride and now to Ayers and Jenkins). So I give him a bit of a pass, but alas...

he is still a JAG.
RE: They ran him out of Buffalo...  
Big Blue '56 : 10/25/2014 8:46 am : link
In comment 11938228 silverfox said:
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...for a reason. Any wins that have come our way in the years he's been here have been in spite of him, and not because of his great defensive mind.

He coaches scared, is slow to make adjustments, and boy even if we had a great offense, the defense can't get off the field and any momentum the offense does get...the defense hands it right back to the apposing offense.

Coughlin is either clueless or senile to keep this man on the staff.


What a fucking idiot..No surprise..They didn't "run him out of Buffalo" jackass, they just didn't give him the HC job..Your stupid continues to boggle
the question is  
giantfanboy : 10/25/2014 9:36 am : link
why is the defense worse this year?
last year we actually had a fairly high ranking defense
considering how incredibly bad our offense was last year

RE: I wonder if Perry reads this board and...  
HomerJones45 : 10/25/2014 9:49 am : link
In comment 11939336 PonderingObserver said:
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even considers any of the many and various observations.
Or is he set in his ways and beliefs as has been demonstrated over the past 3 years.
that's an excellent thought. Eric has connections to the team. Perhaps he could send the threads on the defense to Fewell so he could have the benefit of the observations of the many intelligent and learned posters here on BBI.
RE: RE: They ran him out of Buffalo...  
HomerJones45 : 10/25/2014 9:51 am : link
In comment 11939384 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 11938228 silverfox said:


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...for a reason. Any wins that have come our way in the years he's been here have been in spite of him, and not because of his great defensive mind.

He coaches scared, is slow to make adjustments, and boy even if we had a great offense, the defense can't get off the field and any momentum the offense does get...the defense hands it right back to the apposing offense.

Coughlin is either clueless or senile to keep this man on the staff.



What a fucking idiot..No surprise..They didn't "run him out of Buffalo" jackass, they just didn't give him the HC job..Your stupid continues to boggle
you know it's getting bad when Doc begins to lose it.
The answer is:  
Doomster : 10/25/2014 11:20 am : link
the question is
giantfanboy : 9:36 am : link
why is the defense worse this year?
last year we actually had a fairly high ranking defense
considering how incredibly bad our offense was last year

Part of it, is the players....

Tuck is gone....LJ is gone.....Beason has been gone....Will Hill is gone.....injuries to DRC, Thurmond, McBride, etc.

Last year, Hankins could spell LJ.....who is replacing Hankins, when he needs a blow?

The other part of it, was the competition last year, and the lack of it on our part......we faced a string of teams with backup qb's playing, that padded the defensive stats......and because our offense was so bad, and playing from behind, opposing offenses were more or less playing on Cruise control in the second half because they had the lead and this offense was no threat....

This has been a defensive team of miscommunication since the day Fewell has arrived......and it will continue.....that 6 game stretch of 2011 was an anomaly of Fewell's defense....
funny that there are no "miscommuncation"  
HomerJones45 : 10/25/2014 12:11 pm : link
Issues when we have a pass rush.

This defense has been built on the line's pass rush for 20 years now. Historically,we have not looked for speed necessarily in the back 7 because the rush was supposed to level that out.

You can debate whether that continues to be a wise idea in an age where the League has bent the rules so far in favor of the passing game, (sacks are down league wide), and where most rushing attacks depend on relatively small, speedy backs who rely on change of direction (think McCoy and Murray,) but it is what it is and that is what Fewell has to work with.

BTW, the team seems to be making a bow in the direction of getting more speed in the back 7. Beason and Williams are historically light for Giant linebackers and DRC was an injection of top end speed. It doesn't help though when 2 of the 3 can't go. When you've got a relatively slow back 7 and no rush, you are going to have guys left in the dust by the opposition forcing others to try and cover up.
He would probably be a better coach  
Headhunter : 10/25/2014 12:21 pm : link
with 3 Linebackers a DE and 2 safeties
RE: funny that there are no  
D_Giants : 10/25/2014 9:38 pm : link
In comment 11939504 HomerJones45 said:
[quote] Issues when we have a pass rush.

Not only does Fewell seldom blitz intelligently, but I've seen many plays where he peels back one or two defensive lineman to stand in space watching the opposing QB complete a pass for a first down or touchdown. Too many times the Giants defense plays 'prevent' on third and long. Fewel does coach scared, which can make for depressingly long drives against the Giant defense.
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