How many years do you guys think he has left?
A friend brought this up to me recently and thinks he can play well into his 40's (He claims maybe 5 more years).
His reasoning is that Peyton has never had the strongest arm, thrown the prettiest ball, or been very mobile, but has always been the smartest guy on the field which makes him the best.
So question is....over/under on 3 more seasons following this one?
I'll take the under.
hes the best regular season performer in nfl history. And sometimes when people say that it comes off as a backhanded compliment. It shouldnt be. Its amazing how awesome he has consistently been season after season
but the knock on his playoff career, for me at least, isnt really based on just ring count. Its based on a perceived gap between what he (and his team) actually accomplished vs what i think they should have during the time period, and thats a big gap. Some of that is obviously colored by the fact that he sets the bar so high, which is a testament to him
but He has lost literally like 9 or 10 times as a favorite, many of them at home and after bye weeks, most often with his high flying offense going down in flames. Theres not many 35 to 31 barnburner bad beats in there. He didnt play well in the postseason as a whole during the one time his team actually won a sb either
him winning another ring cant do a ton to change all that much for me, too much history. But its not like his postseason career stops me from viewing him as a GOAT candidate qb to begin with. You cant just dismiss or trivialize how absurd he has been during the regular season as some do. Lets not undervalue the 300 game sample to hype up the 20 game sample
Haa? Ya think?
And Eli can teach him how to win a big game when nothing is going the way it was planned.
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one more ring would put some of his postseason doubters to rest. He also has such a quick release that when he is on his game he doesn't get hit much so that keeps him pretty fresh.
hes the best regular season performer in nfl history. And sometimes when people say that it comes off as a backhanded compliment. It shouldnt be. Its amazing how awesome he has consistently been season after season
but the knock on his playoff career, for me at least, isnt really based on just ring count. Its based on a perceived gap between what he (and his team) actually accomplished vs what i think they should have during the time period, and thats a big gap. Some of that is obviously colored by the fact that he sets the bar so high, which is a testament to him
but He has lost literally like 9 or 10 times as a favorite, many of them at home and after bye weeks, most often with his high flying offense going down in flames. Theres not many 35 to 31 barnburner bad beats in there. He didnt play well in the postseason as a whole during the one time his team actually won a sb either
him winning another ring cant do a ton to change all that much for me, too much history. But its not like his postseason career stops me from viewing him as a GOAT candidate qb to begin with. You cant just dismiss or trivialize how absurd he has been during the regular season as some do. Lets not undervalue the 300 game sample to hype up the 20 game sample
I like Peyton and have rooted for him many many times, but the postseason record is what keeps me from the GOAT conversation. It's almost like baseball for me...in that you can have a team that dominates in the regular season, but come post season the tables turn. He has times where they have been the best or one of the best teams in the regular season, but their performance in the post season came far short. It wasn't like they snuck into the playoffs, yet he has an 11-12 playoff record. They just stinks:) I am a lifelong Braves fan and for as much as I loved the 90s success only winning 1 World Series is not good.
Weeks 1-17 Peyton is the best to ever do it, but I like the money-time players. Many have pointed to the fact that it's a team game (which obviously it is), but those same teams steam rolled thru many of the regular seasons yet got stymied in the playoffs. So I can't laud him for his regular season greatness then excuse away the 11-12 playoff record.
Still like Peyton and enjoy watching him work...the guy is a total machine, but the playoff history is hard for me to ignore.
But his post-season performances cannot be separated from his overall legacy.
A second ring would be huge.
But he's blown (and his teams) a lot of playoff games.
Hated the son of a bitch, but what was Joe Montana's post-season record?
His post-season record with Indy is harder to defend. Part of the problem was that the Colts, other than Peyton Manning, really weren't all that good. But yeah - Belichick, LeBeau and Cottrell did seem to have his number for a while there.
But his post-season performances cannot be separated from his overall legacy.
A second ring would be huge.
But he's blown (and his teams) a lot of playoff games.
Hated the son of a bitch, but what was Joe Montana's post-season record?
16-7 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_starting_quarterback_playoff_records
But overall, last postseason was a net positive for him to me. The loss to baltimore the year before was one of the rare times a peyton led offense actually performed well in playoff defeat, but the overtime pick was a killer
Peyton's postseason resume hasn't been fantastic. He has been stymied by some fantastic defensive coaches who put together great gameplans. On top of that, NFL refs tend to call fewer penalties in the postseason.
I also wonder how much of an impact having such dominant regular season teams had on them in the playoffs in that Dungy would rest their starters Week 17 and they would get a bye, and then would not have played for essentially three weeks. It's all conjecture. The end result is that Peyton's regular season performance completely obliterate his postseason performance.
But I'll take his 243 regular season starts where he has the most game-winning drives and the most 4th quarter comebacks in history over 23 postseason games.
No particular order:
1-Brady
2-Montana
3-Eli
4-Staubach
5-Starr
There will ALWAYS be that differnce to me..
They were loaded at the skill positions offensively throughout his time there. Guys who will be wearing hof jackets. Tough to name a qb who consistently played with more skill help. Terrific o.l. too
The defenses were up and down but most often not the biggest reason his teams lost in the playoffs, just go through it. Only twice did a peyton offense score 20 points in defeat in postseason. One of the best edge rusher tandems ever in freeney and mathis during his career on that side of the ball, built to play with a lead that peytons loaded offense rarely afforded them in postseason
People wsnt to read into how the colts looked when he missed 2011 to form some narrative around an indictment on the colts through the decade. A couple problems with that....
1. The colts cast had already begun to show decline by that point, the 2011 version wasnt indicative of the talent through the decade. The 2010 team "only" went 10-6 even with peyton, which for those tesms in that era represented a clear downward arrow
2. Curtis painter isnt a replacement level qb. Almost any team that starts curtis painter for a season in the modern nfl is going to suck.
Take Eli, for example. He did some great things in the playoff runs. But how many times has the Giants team faded down the stretch? How many times have the Giants completely failed to show up in big games? That 13-6 loss at home to the Eagles, the shutout against Atlanta followed by the blowout against the Ravens with the season on the line. The shutout in the playoffs against Carolina. The brutal playoff game against Philly. It seems taht every is results-oriented around here rather than breaking down film. But for all the talk about Eli's clutch, "for all the marbles" results, he has playoff wins in only two different seasons managed to only win enough "for all the marbles" regular season games to make the postseason 5 years in his 9 full seasons. I'll assume the Giants don't make the playoffs this season either, but won't count it officially.
Take Eli, for example. He did some great things in the playoff runs. But how many times has the Giants team faded down the stretch? How many times have the Giants completely failed to show up in big games? That 13-6 loss at home to the Eagles, the shutout against Atlanta followed by the blowout against the Ravens with the season on the line. The shutout in the playoffs against Carolina. The brutal playoff game against Philly. It seems taht every is results-oriented around here rather than breaking down film. But for all the talk about Eli's clutch, "for all the marbles" results, he has playoff wins in only two different seasons managed to only win enough "for all the marbles" regular season games to make the postseason 5 years in his 9 full seasons. I'll assume the Giants don't make the playoffs this season either, but won't count it officially.
Ask Dan Marino what he'd give for one of Eli's title years. On the flip side, ask Trent Dilfer if he gives a shit about what people think about him as a Super Bowl winner.
Peyton is a phenomenal QB, but the knock on his playoff performances is legit. It's why none of us will trust Denver if they get there again this year. Him being intimidated off the field and hanging his head in February shouldn't be forgotten.
The point of any sport is to win titles.
Worst move for a franchise in any sport in history.
Haa? Ya think?
I think he could be am unbelievable OC. Though isn't that what he is now?
He'll write his own ticket to either a career as a TV analyst or coach. He could be like Harbough but without being a total asshole and the KMart khakis.
I think when he looks back over his career, two plays will haunt him....the pick 6 in the SB and the last minute td pass by Flacco....what could have been....
But comparing qb's, is really debatable....some had more weapons, better defense, better coaching, etc.....then there are the lucky breaks, for or against.....
You almost have to look at teams rather than just the qb.....who would have had the better career, if Brady played for the Colts, and Peyton for the Pats?
I don't think he's coach material...he'll expect guys to practice and study as hard as he did, which will never happen.
I don't think he's coach material...he'll expect guys to practice and study as hard as he did, which will never happen.
Well he's existed in the NFL where most likely no one else on his team works as hard as him. You may very well be right maybe coaching Eli would be perfect. When he's be of a dick Eli can call Mom on him.
Dude is insanely wealthy so he won't ever have to work another day in his life but I can't see him walking away from football for long one way or another.
except for the 6 rings
Assuming the Giants don't make the playoffs, I am all in for any team not named Eagles or Cowboys which obviously includes Peyton. Wouldn't mind him winning another one at all.
But i agree with paul that a cross sport comparison doesnt work
The only thing that should be pointed out, however, is that his playoff record is almost entirely from the divisional round onward, since he earned first round byes almost every year. So he's going against the best of the best, not padding his stats against some 8-8 patsy in the wild card round. That makes Brady's and Montana's postseason records all the more incredible, since they earned many first round byes themselves.
Worst move for a franchise in any sport in history.
You posting the same stupid shit over and over - and OVER again - doesn't make it any less stupid.
But being stupid hasn't stopped you from posting before....
I think he has aspirations that are more ambitious than coaching football when he retires. Just the way he dresses, makes himself available to the press, etc.
Wouldn't be the first time a football player went into politics (Jack Kemp, Steve Largent, J.C. Watts)after retiring.
I don't think he's coach material...he'll expect guys to practice and study as hard as he did, which will never happen.
Agree.
Peyton doesn't have relatability with players as is, right now.
Will probably get worse down the road.
I think he calls it quits if he gets that 2nd ring this season.
Victor: Absolutely on Unitas
If he senses his skills declining due to age, he'll pack it in.
He probably could play for another 4 years at a fairly high level, IMO, barring a big injury.
If he senses his skills declining due to age, he'll pack it in.
He probably could play for another 4 years at a fairly high level, IMO, barring a big injury.
Easily, imo