Peyton Manning Discussion

He's been really good about avoiding hits, but, eventually, those hits will take their toll. I think 3 years sounds about right.

Smart money goes on the under

Is up after 2016. I think he calls it a career after that. He will have every passing record known to man by that point by a wide margin and might have another ring (at least I hope he does).

2 more good season of watching the best QB I have ever seen step foot on a football field. Im going to soak it up.

At some point he will get tired of the physical beating or start to lose some of his at this point limited (for the NFL) athletic ability.

I do agree with your friend though. He is the smartest guy on the field, studies more and prepares more than most coaches, and is almost never surprised, flustered, or confused on the field. Even with a poor offensive line and/or receiving group he could be moderately successful IMO.

I think they will be tough to beat.

Peyton will play until his body shuts down. Could be 4 years could be 1. Like everyone else he's one shot away but he doesn't take many of them.

so barring injury you think he could play 4 more years. I think that was his point. I think its incredible to think about...if he really could play that long, I don't think anyone would come close to his records in our lifetime.

he can make more off 1 year deals and teams (Broncos in this case) will have no problem not being locked in long term to an injury for 1 year premium deals.

Maybe he goes out like Elway, but if he wins this year I still see him coming back. If he wins this year and next, then I think he'd go out on top.

one more ring would put some of his postseason doubters to rest. He also has such a quick release that when he is on his game he doesn't get hit much so that keeps him pretty fresh.

any team could have signed him. Denver is so lucky.

and I'd rephrase to 2-3 places Peyton Manning would have signed.

He's not going to Oakland for even $50 million a year.

There are few players on other teams that I would pay just to watch that one player. He is one.

They should make it a priority to keep it that way as long as Manning is around.

In comment 11938459 Dunedin81 said:

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one more ring would put some of his postseason doubters to rest. He also has such a quick release that when he is on his game he doesn't get hit much so that keeps him pretty fresh.

hes the best regular season performer in nfl history. And sometimes when people say that it comes off as a backhanded compliment. It shouldnt be. Its amazing how awesome he has consistently been season after season

but the knock on his playoff career, for me at least, isnt really based on just ring count. Its based on a perceived gap between what he (and his team) actually accomplished vs what i think they should have during the time period, and thats a big gap. Some of that is obviously colored by the fact that he sets the bar so high, which is a testament to him

but He has lost literally like 9 or 10 times as a favorite, many of them at home and after bye weeks, most often with his high flying offense going down in flames. Theres not many 35 to 31 barnburner bad beats in there. He didnt play well in the postseason as a whole during the one time his team actually won a sb either

him winning another ring cant do a ton to change all that much for me, too much history. But its not like his postseason career stops me from viewing him as a GOAT candidate qb to begin with. You cant just dismiss or trivialize how absurd he has been during the regular season as some do. Lets not undervalue the 300 game sample to hype up the 20 game sample

I think as soon as he gets that 2nd ring, he'll probably just call it. It may well happen this year. Denver is pretty clearly the best team in football right now.

And fucking Dallas or Philly in the NFC

not taking anything away from Eli - but some of these smarts have to be imparted to li'l bro - that would be nice.

being a Coach - for The NY Giants?

Haa? Ya think?

John Fox.

In comment 11938517 blueberry said:

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not taking anything away from Eli - but some of these smarts have to be imparted to li'l bro - that would be nice.

And Eli can teach him how to win a big game when nothing is going the way it was planned.

In comment 11938496 MarshallOnMontana said:

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In comment 11938459 Dunedin81 said: Quote: one more ring would put some of his postseason doubters to rest. He also has such a quick release that when he is on his game he doesn't get hit much so that keeps him pretty fresh. hes the best regular season performer in nfl history. And sometimes when people say that it comes off as a backhanded compliment. It shouldnt be. Its amazing how awesome he has consistently been season after season but the knock on his playoff career, for me at least, isnt really based on just ring count. Its based on a perceived gap between what he (and his team) actually accomplished vs what i think they should have during the time period, and thats a big gap. Some of that is obviously colored by the fact that he sets the bar so high, which is a testament to him but He has lost literally like 9 or 10 times as a favorite, many of them at home and after bye weeks, most often with his high flying offense going down in flames. Theres not many 35 to 31 barnburner bad beats in there. He didnt play well in the postseason as a whole during the one time his team actually won a sb either him winning another ring cant do a ton to change all that much for me, too much history. But its not like his postseason career stops me from viewing him as a GOAT candidate qb to begin with. You cant just dismiss or trivialize how absurd he has been during the regular season as some do. Lets not undervalue the 300 game sample to hype up the 20 game sample

I like Peyton and have rooted for him many many times, but the postseason record is what keeps me from the GOAT conversation. It's almost like baseball for me...in that you can have a team that dominates in the regular season, but come post season the tables turn. He has times where they have been the best or one of the best teams in the regular season, but their performance in the post season came far short. It wasn't like they snuck into the playoffs, yet he has an 11-12 playoff record. They just stinks:) I am a lifelong Braves fan and for as much as I loved the 90s success only winning 1 World Series is not good.

Weeks 1-17 Peyton is the best to ever do it, but I like the money-time players. Many have pointed to the fact that it's a team game (which obviously it is), but those same teams steam rolled thru many of the regular seasons yet got stymied in the playoffs. So I can't laud him for his regular season greatness then excuse away the 11-12 playoff record.

Still like Peyton and enjoy watching him work...the guy is a total machine, but the playoff history is hard for me to ignore.

QB.

But his post-season performances cannot be separated from his overall legacy.

A second ring would be huge.

But he's blown (and his teams) a lot of playoff games.

Hated the son of a bitch, but what was Joe Montana's post-season record?

SB XLVIII was a team-wide beat-down. The previous year, he threw the two costly interceptions - including the killer in OT - but the Broncos should have won that game in regulation.

His post-season record with Indy is harder to defend. Part of the problem was that the Colts, other than Peyton Manning, really weren't all that good. But yeah - Belichick, LeBeau and Cottrell did seem to have his number for a while there.

He retires. That's what I think.

As they say, "Match-ups"!

In comment 11938566 Eric from BBI said:

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QB. But his post-season performances cannot be separated from his overall legacy. A second ring would be huge. But he's blown (and his teams) a lot of playoff games. Hated the son of a bitch, but what was Joe Montana's post-season record?

16-7 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_starting_quarterback_playoff_records

This past sb was a teamwide beatdown. But when you set every offensive record known to man during the season and it ends with 8 meaningless points, everyone on that offense shares that stink, including the guy touching the ball on every snap. The seahawks defense, great as they were, wasnt the unit on that field we expected to corinate as legendary.

But overall, last postseason was a net positive for him to me. The loss to baltimore the year before was one of the rare times a peyton led offense actually performed well in playoff defeat, but the overtime pick was a killer

the interception agains the Ravens was roughing the QB and pass interference (or defensive contact, not sure if ball was in air yet). Not to mention the weather was in the low teens. Broncos still should have won if not for Champ Bailey(?) letting Jacoby Jones get behind him with under a minute left down by a touchdown.

Peyton's postseason resume hasn't been fantastic. He has been stymied by some fantastic defensive coaches who put together great gameplans. On top of that, NFL refs tend to call fewer penalties in the postseason.

I also wonder how much of an impact having such dominant regular season teams had on them in the playoffs in that Dungy would rest their starters Week 17 and they would get a bye, and then would not have played for essentially three weeks. It's all conjecture. The end result is that Peyton's regular season performance completely obliterate his postseason performance.

But I'll take his 243 regular season starts where he has the most game-winning drives and the most 4th quarter comebacks in history over 23 postseason games.

I think if Peyton wins another SB with him being the dominant driving force, a lot of the playoff concerns go away. If he wins two, they certainly do.

Best clutch, "for all the marbles" I've ever seen?

No particular order:

1-Brady

2-Montana

3-Eli

4-Staubach

5-Starr

There will ALWAYS be that differnce to me..

Marino and Elway and Peyton who carry their teams often flounder when they get to the post-season, perhaps because the teams they are facing are more complete, hotter, whatever. Marino could never overcome it. Elway couldn't either, then got a running game and a defense and boom, two Super Bowl wins.

He basically invented he 2 minute drill

In fact the supporting cast carried a largely mediocre peyton in the postseason that he won his ring

They were loaded at the skill positions offensively throughout his time there. Guys who will be wearing hof jackets. Tough to name a qb who consistently played with more skill help. Terrific o.l. too

The defenses were up and down but most often not the biggest reason his teams lost in the playoffs, just go through it. Only twice did a peyton offense score 20 points in defeat in postseason. One of the best edge rusher tandems ever in freeney and mathis during his career on that side of the ball, built to play with a lead that peytons loaded offense rarely afforded them in postseason

People wsnt to read into how the colts looked when he missed 2011 to form some narrative around an indictment on the colts through the decade. A couple problems with that....

1. The colts cast had already begun to show decline by that point, the 2011 version wasnt indicative of the talent through the decade. The 2010 team "only" went 10-6 even with peyton, which for those tesms in that era represented a clear downward arrow

2. Curtis painter isnt a replacement level qb. Almost any team that starts curtis painter for a season in the modern nfl is going to suck.

mean? Is it only Super Bowls? Is it postseason? Is it "must-win" games late in the season? Is it against divisional rivals? Is it the fourth quarter? is it less well-defined meaning when the other divisions on the team can't be relied upon to play well and the QB has to do the heavy lifting?

Take Eli, for example. He did some great things in the playoff runs. But how many times has the Giants team faded down the stretch? How many times have the Giants completely failed to show up in big games? That 13-6 loss at home to the Eagles, the shutout against Atlanta followed by the blowout against the Ravens with the season on the line. The shutout in the playoffs against Carolina. The brutal playoff game against Philly. It seems taht every is results-oriented around here rather than breaking down film. But for all the talk about Eli's clutch, "for all the marbles" results, he has playoff wins in only two different seasons managed to only win enough "for all the marbles" regular season games to make the postseason 5 years in his 9 full seasons. I'll assume the Giants don't make the playoffs this season either, but won't count it officially.

In comment 11938698 PaulBlakeTSU said:

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mean? Is it only Super Bowls? Is it postseason? Is it "must-win" games late in the season? Is it against divisional rivals? Is it the fourth quarter? is it less well-defined meaning when the other divisions on the team can't be relied upon to play well and the QB has to do the heavy lifting? Take Eli, for example. He did some great things in the playoff runs. But how many times has the Giants team faded down the stretch? How many times have the Giants completely failed to show up in big games? That 13-6 loss at home to the Eagles, the shutout against Atlanta followed by the blowout against the Ravens with the season on the line. The shutout in the playoffs against Carolina. The brutal playoff game against Philly. It seems taht every is results-oriented around here rather than breaking down film. But for all the talk about Eli's clutch, "for all the marbles" results, he has playoff wins in only two different seasons managed to only win enough "for all the marbles" regular season games to make the postseason 5 years in his 9 full seasons. I'll assume the Giants don't make the playoffs this season either, but won't count it officially.

Ask Dan Marino what he'd give for one of Eli's title years. On the flip side, ask Trent Dilfer if he gives a shit about what people think about him as a Super Bowl winner.

Peyton is a phenomenal QB, but the knock on his playoff performances is legit. It's why none of us will trust Denver if they get there again this year. Him being intimidated off the field and hanging his head in February shouldn't be forgotten.

The point of any sport is to win titles.

Justin Tuck is a better defensive end than Reggie White.

Dumb Colts let a Hall of Fame QB in his prime go for NOTHING. I get they got a nice your QB in his place, but not to get a damn thing for an MVP performer the last 3 years and maybe 3+ more years is insanity stupid. And, no, the salary cap/bonus situation could have been easily solved so Manning could have been traded for tons of high draft picks, but the idiotic Colts thought he was done so they let him leave for free.

Worst move for a franchise in any sport in history.

you bring this up during every Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning discussion and you are wrong-- annoyingly, absurdly, in a we-want-you-to-go-away-troll-like-manner wrong.

is up. I think there's a reasonable chance he hangs it up after 2015 if he can get another ring by then.

In comment 11938519 Blackbeard said:

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being a Coach - for The NY Giants? Haa? Ya think?

I think he could be am unbelievable OC. Though isn't that what he is now?

He'll write his own ticket to either a career as a TV analyst or coach. He could be like Harbough but without being a total asshole and the KMart khakis.

if he wins a SB this year, it's a good possibility he hangs it up.....go out a winner with just about every record on the books...

I think when he looks back over his career, two plays will haunt him....the pick 6 in the SB and the last minute td pass by Flacco....what could have been....

But comparing qb's, is really debatable....some had more weapons, better defense, better coaching, etc.....then there are the lucky breaks, for or against.....

You almost have to look at teams rather than just the qb.....who would have had the better career, if Brady played for the Colts, and Peyton for the Pats?

Peyton as a QB coach trying to get through to Jameis Winston.

I don't think he's coach material...he'll expect guys to practice and study as hard as he did, which will never happen.

In comment 11938775 Go Terps said:

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Peyton as a QB coach trying to get through to Jameis Winston. I don't think he's coach material...he'll expect guys to practice and study as hard as he did, which will never happen.

Well he's existed in the NFL where most likely no one else on his team works as hard as him. You may very well be right maybe coaching Eli would be perfect. When he's be of a dick Eli can call Mom on him.

Dude is insanely wealthy so he won't ever have to work another day in his life but I can't see him walking away from football for long one way or another.

To leave anything in the tank. I think he will play until he gets hurt or until he shows us a degree of decline that he won't tolerate. I dont think winning a superbowl will make him any more likely to retire. He will just chase another one. Despite all his aw shucks bullshit he is as legacy aware as anyone ive ever seen. He is going to want to add to his legend for as long as he can

Of football

In comment 11938721 Stan from LA said:

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Worst move for a franchise in any sport in history.

Michael got better in the postseason, Peyton came up small quite often.

In comment 11938792 spike said:

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Of football

except for the 6 rings

followed by a Peyton vs Pats conference championship. That would be a huge treat for NFL fans. The conference championships are hands down the best weekend in football.

Assuming the Giants don't make the playoffs, I am all in for any team not named Eagles or Cowboys which obviously includes Peyton. Wouldn't mind him winning another one at all.

a basketball player with a football player. A basketball player can be on the court for every single play in the game while representing 20% of his team's personnel on the floor. On top of that, basketball players deal in series in the postseason which makes it more likely that the better team will prevail and mitigate poor performances.

Who similarly saw his production fall in the postseason routinely, at least relative to his absurdly lofty regular season standard.

But i agree with paul that a cross sport comparison doesnt work