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NFT: The Mets have turned into the Jets of baseball

Ron from Ninerland : 10/24/2014 1:02 pm
Neither team makes a serious effort to win. They just make a few offseason headline grabbing moves to make it look like they're doing something. For the Jets that means signing has-beens and never-was, provided they have a recognizable name. For the Mets, that means signing Yankee rejects. Last year they sign Granderson who is not only one of the worst strike out artists in baseball, he is also one of the worst post season players in baseball. Of course the Mets have very little chance of going to the post season, but I always thought that the idea of signing players was to try and win a championship. Not if you're the Mets. Now they have signed another has been Kevin Long. I can already hear someone like Joe Benigno or someother Met asskisser trying to explain this.

"Granderson hit 40 home runs under Long's tutelage. Now that we have renunited him with Long, he'll become the player we always knew he could be" They may go on about how the Yankees had one bad offensive season and the Long was made the Scapegoat for Cashman's bad moves. They will ignore the fact that the Yankees offensive woes have gone on for four years. Although they were not statistically evident until this year, the Yankees have not been able to hit with men on base, they have not been able to hit to the opposite field, they have not been able to bunt and they have been absolutely silent against playoff caliber pitching. These are the same problems the Mets have been suffering from. Of course the Mets have a dearth of offensive talent, but what they need is a hitting coach who can get the most out of marginally talented hitters. Instead they sign a guy who has gotten the least our of far more talented hitters.
Boooooooo  
Lafferty, Daniel : 10/24/2014 1:05 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 10/24/2014 1:05 pm : link
Dude. The offseason hasn't even started yet.

Chill the fuck out.

If they don't do anything this winter to actually improve the team, you can post this then. This is a pretty pointless time to start whining. What teams have already made significant roster moves towards next year when we don't even have a WS winner yet?
I would say the Jets  
cjac : 10/24/2014 1:06 pm : link
are the Mets of football
The team from which the Giants should be taking inspiration  
vibe4giants : 10/24/2014 1:11 pm : link
?
How do the Jets  
pjcas18 : 10/24/2014 1:13 pm : link
make no serious effort to win?

They're just bad at it. They did go to back to back AFC Championship games - with Mark Sanchez as their QB.

That doesn't happen by accident.

I'm a Mets fan and I see no similarities except in a lot of cases you find these raging assholes who try and say that only Jets fans can be Mets fans.

otherwise the two organizations are nothing alike except their names rhyme if you count that.
Many Mets fans have turned into  
SethFromAstoria : 10/24/2014 1:14 pm : link
the Jets of fans.
Anyone who puts any bit of energy, positive or negative, into  
EmpireWF : 10/24/2014 1:21 pm : link
the hiring of a hitting coach needs to stop watching sports.

It's the most overrated coaching position in any sport and will have little to no impact on whether the Mets offense in 2015 improves over the span of 162 games.
Turned into?  
Giants2012 : 10/24/2014 1:22 pm : link
The Mets and Jets have been like brother and sister for a long while.
other than rhyming with "ets", not sure if I see the comparison..  
Drewcon40 : 10/24/2014 1:22 pm : link
The Jets apparantly have a surplus of money to spend while the Mets...ummm do not. A couple of years ago, I joked that the Mets are now the Royals with their lack of spending...how I wish that comes true now!
SO far we have  
SethFromAstoria : 10/24/2014 1:40 pm : link
complaining about a relatively meaningless hire and obsessing maniacally about the amount of money spent on the roster, right here in this one thread! Anyone else have any other embarrassing cliche Met fan foibles they want to exhibit for the rest of us? Trainers? Madoff? Color of the walls? Type of dirt on the infield? Material of Saul Katz' tie? Who they picked in round 16 of the draft?

Any fanbase that has experienced the level of fuckery and incompetence  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/24/2014 1:47 pm : link
that the Mets has served would have the same attitude. When you don't win, everything you do is wrong and laughable and stupid until you win.
RE: other than rhyming with  
Ron from Ninerland : 10/24/2014 2:34 pm : link
In comment 11938720 Drewcon40 said:
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The Jets apparantly have a surplus of money to spend while the Mets...ummm do not. A couple of years ago, I joked that the Mets are now the Royals with their lack of spending...how I wish that comes true now!


Really ? Did they impose a salary cap in baseball that I don't know about ? The Mets are perfectly free to spend as much money as the Dodgers to improve their team, however they choose not to. Despite playing the same market as the Yankees they choose to put those revenue sharing checks that they get from the Yankees into their pockets rather than improving the team.
some of the comments here make me think of the early '60s -  
Del Shofner : 10/24/2014 2:38 pm : link
The Titans were playing at the Polo Grounds starting in 1960. The Mets started playing there in '62, and the Titans changed their name to the Jets in '63, and yeah I think the rhyming had a lot to do with it. Then they both moved to Shea in 1964 and there were a lot of fans common to both teams. And frankly since both the Yanks and Giants stunk in the late '60s, there were a lot of people following the Mets and Jets in those days.

I really don't have any opinion on how alike they are today. But they were somewhat connected originally.
The Jets  
ryanmkeane : 10/24/2014 2:38 pm : link
won more games than our beloved Giants last season, remember that?
Sweet baby Jesus  
Headhunter : 10/24/2014 2:40 pm : link
can we wait till the Winter Meetings are over?
The Yankees won 5 more games than the Mets  
Ira : 10/24/2014 3:01 pm : link
last season. Neither team made the playoffs.
Ron from Ninerland...  
Drewcon40 : 10/24/2014 3:22 pm : link
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Really ? Did they impose a salary cap in baseball that I don't know about ?


I am not the type pf poster to be openly critical of another because it's not my deal. There are things I am not 100 percent aware of. However, I am fairly certain that the Mets financial issues have been fairly public and written about extensively.

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The Mets are perfectly free to spend as much money as the Dodgers to improve their team,


I am free to buy a Bentley. However, I don't have the means to do so.
Until recently they WERE NOT free to spend like the Dodgers  
Jim in Fairfax : 10/24/2014 3:53 pm : link
Until they refinanced their stadium loans about 10 months ago, they had to get approval from the bank who held their loans for any spending increase.
No, the Mets would be like the Jets...  
SB : 10/24/2014 4:17 pm : link
...if they moved into Yankee Stadium and then covered up the Yankees' World Series trophies during Mets home games.
While i agree that the mets are a disgrace from top to bottom  
Giants4246 : 10/24/2014 5:03 pm : link
(and i'm a lifelong met fan) i wouldn't say benigno is a mets ass kisser. He rips the mets any chance he gets. Who cares they hired long, there isn't anybody on the planet that can help guys like tejada and all the other sub .250 hitters on their roster or help a guy like granderson strike out less.
i cant get all sensitive  
sshin05 : 10/24/2014 5:18 pm : link
over a hitting coach hire. MLB off season hasn't really started yet either.
Ron, ever hear of Bernie Madoff?  
David in LA : 10/24/2014 5:37 pm : link
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Ron has turned into Stan in LA  
Modus Operandi : 10/24/2014 5:53 pm : link
Of northern California.
Ron..  
Stagger Lee : 10/24/2014 6:01 pm : link
MLB in the post-steroid era isn't about spending the most money, it's about building top to bottom the right way and spending money wisely.

The Mets are on that track, it doesn't happen overnight, but I don't know how you can't get excited for the future with these young pitchers and the recent emphasis on offensive players. The recent offensive players don't show up overnight, it takes time.

Once again, Ron's philosophy is what got us into the Jason Bay situation. I wasn't even a fan of the Granderson signing, but I think it was low risk enough, even in late years if he is not producing he is worth the price as a leader. Once the Mets are to that level.

I'll remember Ron from Ninerland when things are going good.

All this angst for signing a  
Section331 : 10/24/2014 6:10 pm : link
fucking hitting coach? Who cares?
RE: RE: other than rhyming with  
SethFromAstoria : 10/24/2014 6:12 pm : link
In comment 11938817 Ron from Ninerland said:
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In comment 11938720 Drewcon40 said:


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The Jets apparantly have a surplus of money to spend while the Mets...ummm do not. A couple of years ago, I joked that the Mets are now the Royals with their lack of spending...how I wish that comes true now!



Really ? Did they impose a salary cap in baseball that I don't know about ? The Mets are perfectly free to spend as much money as the Dodgers to improve their team, however they choose not to. Despite playing the same market as the Yankees they choose to put those revenue sharing checks that they get from the Yankees into their pockets rather than improving the team.


Enough with the Yankee revenue sharing BS. The Mets revenue share as well. They don't get money, they pay it. Enough of your Yankee fan horseshit mantras that people think are legit. The Yankees spit on the luxury tax and pay free agents like they have money to flush down a golden toilet. Every league revenue shares. God forbid it happen to the blessed Yankees who also charge ass raping prices to get into their museum.
Mets  
DanMetroMan : 10/24/2014 6:49 pm : link
arrow is pointing up. Not down. That's not to say they can't fuck this up but NOW isn't the time to be down on them.
anyone who isnt  
Rory : 10/24/2014 9:37 pm : link
excited about the pitching staff and bullpen for 2015 shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion.

Also Lucas Duda could very well become our Freddie Freeman
I have never and will never forgive Armando Benitez  
Geomon : 10/24/2014 9:45 pm : link
For losing game 1 in 2000. I lost my passion for baseball after that series.
In terms of franchise history success, too.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/24/2014 10:09 pm : link
.
there are some real gems  
feelflows : 10/24/2014 10:15 pm : link
On this board
RE: Mets  
ZGiants98 : 10/25/2014 12:20 pm : link
In comment 11939129 DanMetroMan said:
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arrow is pointing up. Not down. That's not to say they can't fuck this up but NOW isn't the time to be down on them.


Yes.
I want to Flores with 550 AB's  
Headhunter : 10/25/2014 12:24 pm : link
Herrera in July, Matz in July, Thor in June, David Wright healthy
RE: anyone who isnt  
ZGiants98 : 10/25/2014 12:27 pm : link
In comment 11939251 Rory said:
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excited about the pitching staff and bullpen for 2015 shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion.

Also Lucas Duda could very well become our Freddie Freeman


We need to bring a solid player or two but I don't think Ive ever been so excited heading into a season. I know its not like 87/88 or 99/2000 or even 2006-2008 where we looked great on paper and big things were expected....BUT

After the last 5 years and what a laughing stock we have been, the Madoff situation, and the deep, complete rebuild Sandy put in place drafting high school player after high school player forcing us to be patient, the fruits of his labors are finally here or about to be here. This whole team is bursting with young talent. I don't ever remember seeing so many young studs on one roster at one time at least in the Mets history. Generation K couldn't where this roster's jock strap. The payoff is going to be especially meaningful this time around.
RE: I want to Flores with 550 AB's  
ZGiants98 : 10/25/2014 12:29 pm : link
In comment 11939518 Headhunter said:
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Herrera in July, Matz in July, Thor in June, David Wright healthy


Me too. I like the roster as is aside from an outfielder added. I'd love a big trade for Bautista or something... we have the pieces... But ill take Cuddyer as a consolation prize. A nice middle of the order bat addition and the continued growth of everyone else will give us a nice NL lineup. And our pitching is going to be stupid.
Flores /Reynolds/Herrera  
ZGiants98 : 10/25/2014 12:36 pm : link
changed my view on what this team actually needs a little before the year was finished. All year it was SS and LF but I think we are ok in the middle infield now. Aside from Thor, Herrera is likely our best prospect and I think he held his own very well in a very limited sample. Im expecting big things from Dilson this year even if restarts in Vegas.

Both Flores AND Reynolds showed they can play SS by the time the year was out. Flores bat was coming around by the time the season ended. He's going to be a hitter. Reynolds is nice depth. Tejada can still back them up. Cechinni is entering high A ball. Unless we can acquire a no brainer upgrade Im fine with leaving the middle infield alone.
I really just hope Wright is doing everything imaginable  
ZGiants98 : 10/25/2014 12:43 pm : link
to get ready for 2015. If he needs to get surgery... get surgery. Don't wait and see how it is or feels and then make a decision. Murphy is kind of a nice wild card to hold on to for the first half of the season to guard against Wright.
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