NFT: School shooting in Marysville, near Seattle

In comment 11944015 ron in new mexico said:

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for all states to have open carry. Prevents things from happening. Don't know how to use one keep it unloaded then. None knows if it is or not. So they don't hazard it. Concealed way way different. Prevents nothing really. Criminals assume no gun that's why they act as they do. They target who they think has not a gun. So I have one I may actually have to use it. I really don't want to do that. Open probably that will never happen.

There is so much wrong with this post I will just say that us moving forward as a civilization isn't helped by everyone carrying a gun.

metal detectors at school, aside from being expensive and inconvenient?

exactly that. They do have metal detectors..it works quite well. This kid this area with natives and all considering the culture…that is this places answer. Screening for mental illness would not have worked here. And kids that age on the Rez have access to guns always.

There is nothing wrong with carrying guns openly. A gun carried does nothing at all. In fact I mention one can even carry with it unloaded. It prevents things.
It is true this is a sad statement on the current state of society but we cannot deny it is what it is.

All those women trained in Florida if they are attacked and pull out a gun they have to probably use it. If they have a bun in a holster…they never get attacked at all.

A petite feminine woman is a target just as a old person is. Carrying a open carry gun….why not?

In comment 11944975 Randy in CT said:

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In comment 11944015 ron in new mexico said: Quote: for all states to have open carry. Prevents things from happening. Don't know how to use one keep it unloaded then. None knows if it is or not. So they don't hazard it. Concealed way way different. Prevents nothing really. Criminals assume no gun that's why they act as they do. They target who they think has not a gun. So I have one I may actually have to use it. I really don't want to do that. Open probably that will never happen. There is so much wrong with this post I will just say that us moving forward as a civilization isn't helped by everyone carrying a gun.

I may be wrong here, but I doubt that Ron is promoting everyone carrying a gun. I think he is saying that states should have open carry rather than conceal carry. I think it's a valid point. I would think that law abiding citizens that are carrying openly would be a deterrent as opposed to someone that is concealed carrying.

that is what I am saying in a indirect way.

Concealed carry leads to shootings. Open carry does not usually. Of course in most circumstance neither is necessary as most of us are not vulnerable nor being in places at which the vulnerable are at danger. Say walking through a barrio late at night.

So it is mote. But if I did feel necessary to conceal carry.. the state instead should have a open carry law like here, so I may do that and likely not have ever to shoot anyone.
They will leave you alone like as not.

concealed carry leading to shootings(as it is so statistically small these type of things) but if one thinks about it….. as opposed to open carry of course it can and will. Knowing a gun they avoid you and go to perhaps another which is unfortunate but it is how low lives act. Not knowing a gun they can and will go for you if perceived vulnerable and you then have to protect yourself and yes…shoot them.

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Concealed carry leads to shootings. Open carry does not usually.

Because I'm guessing you made it up.

made it up.

go open carry and see if anyone f(*& with you.

They will not. No stats are really necessary.

Do people f*&^ with people who are vulnerable.. yes.

So combine the two... a open carried gun makes one appear not vulnerable when a concealed carry does not…..this thing can be logically worked through.

WE should not throw logic out the window just because this is a issue of guns.


So perceived vulnerable but really not being as one has a concealed gun…one has to what? likely use the gun to protect oneself if summed up in this way by low lives who prey on the vulnerable.

No stats and not made up but thought through

out here I take someone with a concealed carry….as a bit of a joke they are pretending they are cops or DEA or whatever. If they open carry they are just another bojo with a gun nothing special about them.

But open carry here any can do it and with no special training.

The industry to my opinion wants concealed carry as they all require in every state training specific to that which requires special qualified teachers and concurrent to that every concealed carry requires usually holsters of a special sort and usually a special weapon which allows concealed carry without it making you look ridiculous.

So there are all sorts of sales made there.
Open carry if you have a handgun you can and usually require the purchase of nothing and no training specific to concealed.

Log is right I am not advocating for just going around everywhere carrying guns but if you do... your state should have open carry not concealed.
Concealed is a joke unless you are a cop or some such.
Put into place by the industry to sell things..though again there are no stats to show that.

think about it stats don't solve all our problems nor answer all our questions

some sort is really a local issue to my opinion. In cities suburbs…yes I think it should be, not so much in rural areas.But that is a personal opinion.

for a shotgun, however to legal buy and own a hand gun you must complete a pistol safety course, then you get the open carry permit (which has an extensive background screen run). There are many other additional types of training classes that are recommended, but not mandatory. Something additional to note is that you can not buy ammunition in connecticut withour either a pistol permit or an ammo permit. So even if you own a shotgun, you can not buy ammo for it here unless you have the permit.

how it is in almost all of it…that makes perfect sense. I would advocate for that living there.

IN the context of this kid here, it is more like our context than conn.here in NM we have reservations kids like that….it is similar.

Would NM laws work in Conn..heck no. Conn In NM….heck no.
Some laws have to be national such as who can purchase them the felons and mentally ill always excluded. Some have to be local or state. Some cities virtually outlaw them as it is so convoluted the process to get one and keep one and that is ok for that place. Rural places a bit more like buying a hoe or a shovel or chainsaw, still the fed guidelines but absent that,,,nothing. For reason…a gun to a city person is one thing to a country person another.

I think city people are a bit absurd on the issue but that again is personal. We had a neighbor hood meeting once where I live. A women who just moved up there was going on and on about her gun. the large caliber it was and this and that. I assume she had just purchased it. We living here for years and years..all of us have guns to protect from wild animals and used to be the sheriff he was 20 minutes away…but no one said a thing to that lady. It was like funny but we didn't laugh as it would be rude. We don't go on and on about guns we all have them, know generally how to use them and that is that. There are a thousand more things to talk about more interesting than guns. Cities they have a mystic about guns. It is BS.here


Like I say in NM concealed is a joke. In fla since they don't have open carry…no. So it depends.