Of course, losing Jennings for the two divisional games has torpedoed the season at this point...
Was just wondering, though, how David Wilson would have fared in the two games if he could have been used as a 1-2 punch with Andre Williams. Keeping in mind how horrendous the run blocking is, Wilson's skill set may have been much better suited to finding a few holes, catching a couple of passes and keeping the defense more honest than the idea of simply slamming Williams straight ahead without any threat he might catch a pass.
Williams, it seems to me, is at his best as a change-of-pace runner and he and Wilson could have been a pretty interesting combo.
In this fan's mind, though, the issues have been more on the other side of the ball, but I still think Wilson may have really brought something to the table to the offense in these last 2 games.
I know its all a moot point, but isn't the bye week all about speculating anyway?
Useless fact of the day: Larry Donnell has as many fumbles in 7 games as Wilson did in his entire career. I always felt Couglin scape-goated Wilson for his ball security. Wonder if Donnell gets the same treatment....
he had over 1500 yards returning kicks in 2012.
for reference in 2013 they had 900 as a team.
600 yards is almost 40 yards a game.
So debate all you want about his speed impact on the running game or short passing attack, but there is no debate he would have had an impact on the KR.
we need a speedy rb....we got 44...hillis...cox
big backs....suprised we didn't sign jones
now and put cox on ps....this helps screens for
eli...jenkins was good....or maybe let odel do
some rb or parker..this will free up 9 in box..
Sounds like you could be talking about Donnell here. See what I mean? If Coughlin "dog-housed" Wilson for the same problems why wouldn't he send the same message to the team regarding Donnell?
Now, I'm not by any means advocating benching Donnell, but the situation is kind of similar.
Speed from that RB position has been missing from this squad for many years. Not that the power back philosophy is a bad one, just that I would be nice to have a real change of pace player to cycle in and out.
Speed from that RB position has been missing from this squad for many years. Not that the power back philosophy is a bad one, just that I would be nice to have a real change of pace player to cycle in and out.
Good analogy, Oliver had 20 touches between runs and catches and of the 20, 13 I believe were for 1 yard or less.
That's what we'd probably see with Wilson.
Losing him really bummed me out.
I fucking hate these things.
we need a speedy rb....we got 44...hillis...cox
big backs....suprised we didn't sign jones
now and put cox on ps....this helps screens for
eli...jenkins was good....or maybe let odel do
some rb or parker..this will free up 9 in box..
You lost me at Jenkins
The only thing he ever excelled at in the NFL was returning kicks
LOLbossman
The only thing he ever excelled at in the NFL was returning kicks
Why was the run blocking poor against Philly and Dallas - they do not have to protect the edges. They loaded up defenders to crash the middle. This also allowed for numerous plays where defenders outnumbered blockers. It is simple math - more defenders than blockers means no yardage.
Unfortunate
Fumbling is curable (we've seen it before), blocking is teachable, Wilsons skills weren't.
That isn't to say that all is fixed, but I would kill to see a guy with his abilities in our backfield right now.
I fucking hate these things.
What if... we had a Corner Forum without pricks like Randy in CT on it?
I say that in jest you fucking Nutmegger! I, for one, would miss the salient point you make on every 25th post or so of yours.
Don't go changing, though. While we may sometimes disagree, I appreciate familiar posters like you. Kind of like a shitty pair of pants that you keep on wearing...
I just remember how explosive he was at times as both a runner and receiver... and in a WCO, I think he would have done well with more chances in open spaces.
Eric, I agree.
I really would have liked to him in this system. In fact, it bothers me a lot that due to injury the kid had to retire and had his NFL dream cut short. I think he could have done some good things in this system.
We lack speed in our RB corps. I would have loved to see him run routes. A nice swing pass which he takes to the house. Have our WR/TE clear out and bring him out of the backfield with open space.
Go 4 Wide and Wilson in the backfield. Eli at the line makes a call, and Wilson flexes out for a RB hot quick pass, with our WR blocking, and watch Wilson take off, as if shot out of a cannon.
That's one guy I would have loved to see in this system. I hope we can draft or sign a player who with amazing acceleration and with very good speed.
Wilson would have definitely put that threat there in the flats with swings, flares, and screens. Without Jennings no one cares about those areas.
So he would've made a difference about 50% of the time.
But would he have helped us - Yes.
I just remember how explosive he was at times as both a runner and receiver... and in a WCO, I think he would have done well with more chances in open spaces.
I think he would have been great at KO returns though, so he is definitely missed on ST.
he had over 1500 yards returning kicks in 2012.
for reference in 2013 they had 900 as a team.
600 yards is almost 40 yards a game.
So debate all you want about his speed impact on the running game or short passing attack, but there is no debate he would have had an impact on the KR.
This is by far Demps worst season as a pro at KR. Is it by coincidence or is it a natural drop off? He's been average at Safety, but not a playmaker at all. Or a consistent tackler. Reminds me of Brian Mitchell all of a sudden being terrible at KR/PR with the Giants when he had such success elsewhere.
the guy was still an elite talent.. he'd be getting more reps than Williams right now and possibly showing the NFL he's someone defenses better watch out for.. all this is IMO of course..
agreed
The only thing he ever excelled at in the NFL was returning kicks
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The only thing he ever excelled at in the NFL was returning kicks
BINGO!
Kickoff Returns without question....yes
he had over 1500 yards returning kicks in 2012.
for reference in 2013 they had 900 as a team.
600 yards is almost 40 yards a game.
So debate all you want about his speed impact on the running game or short passing attack, but there is no debate he would have had an impact on the KR.
If our KO returners are so bad, why are we 6th in the league in KO returns in ydg??Cox is ranked 11th in the NFL. You know not of what you speak.
That said, his speed would definitely have been a factor, especially with this offense. Look at how Dallas & Philly played defense w/o a lateral threat - they did not bother defensing the edges. He changes that by being in there.
Plus speed out of the backfield threatens defenses in the passing game.
Was he accomplished as a blocker - no, was his vision the best - no, but he had a tremendous burst and defenses have to respect that
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he could have helped. Cox is terrible, Demps isn't any better, and no Jernigan or holliday.
he had over 1500 yards returning kicks in 2012.
for reference in 2013 they had 900 as a team.
600 yards is almost 40 yards a game.
So debate all you want about his speed impact on the running game or short passing attack, but there is no debate he would have had an impact on the KR.
If our KO returners are so bad, why are we 6th in the league in KO returns in ydg??Cox is ranked 11th in the NFL. You know not of what you speak.
Really? Cox has 5 returns, and you call that a meaningful sample. Cox had that one 40 yard return last week. It was probably the longest of his career. where were you last year when he was buried at the 17 yd line every time he ran it out of the ez?
I know exactly what I speak of, and if you are looking at the avg return yards of someone with 5 returns and claiming they're doing a fine job - you are the one who knows not of which he speaks.
In terms of team average returns for the season which is what is meaningful the Giants rank 21st.
In 2012 with Wilson they were 6th at over 26 yards per return over the course of a season.
That is making a difference.
So, back to the original questions, would Wilson make a difference on this team - the answer is a resounding yes. On KR's.
and that doesn't make you proficient at it?
Didn't read the thread but to me the Eagles game was telling for our RBs.
Hillis and Williams are what they are. Solid but slow as shit. Williams will get better but he has no speed to the outside. None.
If the Giants have Williams it allows for outside the tackle plays. He could have forced the Eagles to defend the edges insteAd of loading up the middle. Though I'm not sure if anything could have helped Pugh's game
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In reality, he was a young back who was not yet an NFL runner, had huge fumbling problems, and had yet to master picking up blitzes in pass protection.
The only thing he ever excelled at in the NFL was returning kicks
BINGO!
you're right...why even draft rookie running backs...we should just shoot them all to put 'em down mercifully.
and that doesn't make you proficient at it?
we need a speedy rb....we got 44...hillis...cox
big backs....suprised we didn't sign jones
now and put cox on ps....this helps screens for
eli...jenkins was good....or maybe let odel do
some rb or parker..this will free up 9 in box..
Who is Jenkins? Who is Jones? Are you talking about Rashad Jennings and LaMichael James? And for the love of God, can you stop hitting ENTER when you're typing a post?
Our number one malaise is a mediocre-to-bad offensive line.
Out number two malaise is a defense line that can't rush the passer and can't set the edge at the LOS (not to mention a pretty poor set of LBs).
David Wilson doesn't even come close to entering the conversation.
But as a player, I think a very, very fine career was regrettably cut short!