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ESPN's Dan Graziano thinks the Giants will move on from LT Will Beatty after this season if his play doesn't improve in the final 9 games.
In other news, I may win the lottery if I ever play it.
this year. Not great but not terrible. They currently have no one on the roster who they could even think about putting in his position, so unless they are going to draft one in the first round they probably have to bring him back for another year, then cut him
but I agree with Greg - the real problem's on the interior. Hopefully Schwartz will help, but he's nothing special either. We need a lot of help in the trenches on both sides.
After last year I thought Pugh would be a great LT
Since then I am not so sure. He looks really bad at times. His footwork is a mess and his weight is not where it should be. I don't mean pounds. I mean where his body is positioned. When you kick-slide your weight should be more on your front inside foot like an anchor so if a rusher tries an inside move you can anchor down and knock his ass on the ground. Too many times this year I have seen Pugh's footwork off and his weight is on his back leg probably because he got beat and when that happens he cannot recover on an inside move. He's somewhat of a mess right now. Its easily corrected but I'm curious as to why he has regressed from his rookie year. Some say he is injured but I don't think his lower half is and that's where hehas regressed.
Yes, Beatty isn't a major problem but his cap number is and you have to ask yourself if he is worth that money. Its not as simple as saying he is fine.
Yes, Beatty isn't a major problem but his cap number is and you have to ask yourself if he is worth that money. Its not as simple as saying he is fine.
that Beatty is not particularly likely to live up to the big contract he signed. But he is a reasonably adequate starting left tackle, when healthy, and adequate starting left tackles don't exactly grow on trees. You rarely see them hit free agency at all.
Is his contract bad enough that the team has to devote its offseason resources to finding a new starting OLT? It feels to me like the most likely response is that the team will hold its nose and invest in improving the team elsewhere.
But cutting him will cost as well
Based on sport trac - looks like his cap hit next year is $8 mil with $7.5 mil in dead money.
Who is replacing Beatty?
Pugh isn't killing it at RT...so who is our new LT?
Beatty has been as good as I had hoped. He is not the problem. We need Schwartz back, will likely move Richburg to Center and pick up another Guard in the first dew rounds of next year's draft
First, they have no real alternative this test. Second, Beatty has played reasonably well much of the year especially compared to the rest of the line. Third, Beatty is not paid at the higher levels of LTs in the league. I believe his contract is in line with the middle level starting LTs. It sounds like a lot but LT is a premium position and in paid way higher than other OLs. Graziano could have written this last year, not likely this year.
trash and we need to move on ASAP. Jerry shouldn't be starting but he is really an emergency option after Snee retired and Schwartz got hurt. Walton is ok but Richburg should take over next season there. If he does we have 2 holes on the oline at LG and LT.
I really don't even think Beatty is playing for his job in these final games. The only way I see the Giants moving on from Beatty is if we do a total overhaul with at least the coaching staff. If TC retired, which I doubt, I could see the new coach wanting to start fresh. Otherwise, if TC is still here then so is Beatty. Just my opinion.
In some ways he is the left tackle version of Kerry Collins: when things are humming along, he is an asset; but when things aren't going so well, he becomes part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
As far as his contract is concerned, it's not as bad as people make it out to be and they can afford to hang with him for another year if he continues to be their best option at left tackle. And at this point, there is no reason to believe he won't be (which is more an indictment on the Giants ability to find an improvement any time soon than it is a pat on the back for Beatty).
trying to copy the Cowboys OL dominance. The whole "copycat league" thing. If so, Pugh, Schwartz and Richburg are the only guarantees. Another high draft pick and big-splash signing could be in order for the remaining spots.
been much more good than bad from Beatty this season IMO. In any event, absent a real shit show from him the rest of the year, I can't imagine the Giants cutting him. He is owed $8M next year, but it would be $8.1M in dead money to cut him. I'm not sure if that could be spread over two years if he's cut post June 1. And who would replace him?
For a LT it's quite reasonable. He's being paid like an average LT and performing like one. That doesn't mean they shouldn't move on but those killing the Giants for his contract are out of touch with what LTs earn in the NFL.
been much more good than bad from Beatty this season IMO. In any event, absent a real shit show from him the rest of the year, I can't imagine the Giants cutting him. He is owed $8M next year, but it would be $8.1M in dead money to cut him. I'm not sure if that could be spread over two years if he's cut post June 1. And who would replace him?
His salary is $5.5M next year (and I'm guessing he receives another $50K-$250K in the form of an offseason workout bonus). And given that the Giants aren't in cap hell, the only real question is whether or not he is worth the $5.5M (or so) in new money that he is due to receive. And I'm guessing the Giants will view him as worth that kind of money even if they actively explore replacement possibilities (i.e., a 1st round pick).
One caveat (besides him completely shitting the bed) would be if he should once again finish the year on IR.
He has been adequate this year and we are stuck with him because of the cap. Pugh is worse. The interior of the line has had some shitty moments, but the tackleS are the problem.
...unless you're sure you've got a better or more cost efficient alternative and as far as I can tell, we certainly do not.
Beatty isn't a problem. Neither tackle spot is. We need two legitimate guards because I'm not sold on Walton and I am assuming Richburg is more likely a long-term fixture at C.
We'll have to see what we get out of Schwartz. Maybe LG will wind up being the only major hole. But I can't see us getting rid of Beatty unless we're in a spot where we think we can get a blue chip, long-term solution in the draft. I'd just hate to create another hole if we don't need to. Especially when we don't really benefit in terms of cap space from cutting ties from what I've seen.
ESPN's Dan Graziano believes the Giants could move on from LT Will Beatty after this season.
Beatty has three years and $26.5 million remaining on his current deal. The Giants can get out of his contract next offseason by making him a June 1 cut. Beatty is PFF's No. 7 left tackle through eight weeks, but has struggled with injuries and consistency throughout his career. His future with the Giants will be determined by how he plays over the final nine games.
Our LT who will cost us 7.5 mil in dead cap space and then invest another XXXX dollars into another LT? Yes Beatty is average but what better then average LT are you going to find on the FA market? Even if we do find one, we are going to pay him 7-10 mil and have 15+ mil tied up into thw LT position next year? (Beatty's dead cap space + new LT's contract). Not gonna happen. I could see us drafting his eventual replacement but that's about it
that many do. He considers the player in isolation ... the player is not great, he makes a lot of money, etc. But the total picture has to include such things as what is available to replace him, what are the other team needs, is he bad enough that replacing him becomes a priority, what are the odds that a draft choice will step in and be an upgrade, will keeping an expensive but adequate player allow you to address more pressing needs, etc. Frankly I think we have other priorities.
I'm sure this has been debated enough- who would mean more to us, Martin or Beckham, but we all can agree, Zach would look good in blue.
Only Giants fans on BBI can still be whining about screwing up a draft pick less than a week after that draft pick had a 2 TD performance. Just shut the fuck up already. It's played out, so I'm not going to get into why this is just stupid thinking, other than to simply say,moor the one millionth time,mop end WRs are much harder to come by than top end guards. Can you imagine this WR corp without Beckham? And the OL would still suck with the immortal Martin.
Jeezus you whining cunts. How about you try supporting the guys that are on the team for once?
Saying they may move on and actually finding someone better are entirely 2 different things. Any top end LT costs more than Beatty. That leaves you the draft, which the Giants are not going to be picking in the top 10.
Picking LT outside top 10 or 12 is a complete mixed bag
His pay is about 13th or 14th. That would be avg
Sans the Detroit game he has played fine. Walton is the guy who clearly has not made it all the way back
I see 3 positions on OL set for the near future, LT, RT, and C. Beatty is going nowhere for a few years and he is okay at LT for now. Richburg will be moving to center and, since this is his natural position, I see him playing even better than he has at LG. Pugh has struggled mightily this year. I think this may be due to opposing coaches having a full year of tape on him and now exploiting his weaknesses. Since these weaknesses tend to be the technique type they are correctable with good coaching. We have to wait and see what we have in Schwartz. If he plays well at RG we may need only one big nasty LG to be a good offensive line.
Well, this OL is nowhere near where it will be next year....
Next year, I think you see Rich at center, Schw at RG, Pugh at LG, and we possibly draft a tackle and pick up a free agent tackle....
Beatty is what he is....of all the OLmen, he should have been the last to be offside on a 4th and one.....he can't handle speed rushers one on one, and he is overpaid for what he produces.....so, if there is a tackle available to replace him, he could be cut, but it would be a huge loss in cap(-2M net, plus loss of a player)....I think his replacement will be on the team next year, and it's possible that he will be an overpriced backup next season.....the following season, I think he is definitely cut....
But as stated, he is the least of this OL's current problems....Rich is playing well out of position, Jerry and Walton are mistakes waiting to happen, and you have to hope it's an injury that is hampering Pugh's play thus far....add to that a lack of blocking from the TE position, and you have an OL that can't handle pressure when a DC sends exotic schemes against them....
We are still not sure of Schwatz's status.....he could be OK, or another Beason.....and I seriously doubt you will see the same Jennings when he returns.....how will that knee hold up to the pounding it will take?
We had two games, where we were healthy enough, where Eli could possibly have won games, if we were not so stubborn to maintain balance between rushing and passing the ball....we should have set up the run with the pass, instead of the other way around.....I think it's too late now....I don't think this PF defense has a remote chance of stopping Luck, or any good QB.....Our offense will be forced to play catch up, and defenses will concentrate on OBj to take away the long pass....there are no other burners on this team.....
and it led to the shit show of an Eagles game. The Dallas game wasn't anything to rave about. However, he is a young player on a work in progress offense. So it's going to take some time for everyone.
That was games ago and if that doesn't tell you how stats can be skewed I don't know what else can convince people not to over rate PFF analysis.
He's not the worst OL This year like he was last year hit he's one of the most over paid players on the roster. Reese has no one else on the roster who can play LT even at the mediocre level Beatty has shown so he's safe for another season. He will be 30 next year. They better draft a LT/RT player high next year.
So he's an average LT being paid average LT money.
We don't have anyone on the current roster better than him.
Any hopes of Pugh being the answer at LT have been dampened a bit by his seeming regression at RT (maybe injury related? maybe because he's playing next to Jerry?)
The only way to upgrade outside of Pugh is to pay a FA (no way we take the cap hit and pay huge money for a LT) or
Draft a LT (we won't be picking in the top 5 and hopefully not the top 10)
Yeah sometimes you read stuff where a fan says bench him. Problem is we have garbage backing us up. It's amazing how far our OL has slipped from the days where we can run against anyone.
I hope we actually draft and upgrade it even more this off season.
with which to acquire a blue goose, then it's fair to say it could very well accelerate Beatty's departure as a June 1 cut. He's been ok but still inconsistent, especially in the running game where he's not showing much improvement in moving defenders. No blue goose in the draft, he probably gets one more year.
agreed...he is not worth 39 million dollars.
Is his contract bad enough that the team has to devote its offseason resources to finding a new starting OLT? It feels to me like the most likely response is that the team will hold its nose and invest in improving the team elsewhere.
Based on sport trac - looks like his cap hit next year is $8 mil with $7.5 mil in dead money.
Who is replacing Beatty?
Pugh isn't killing it at RT...so who is our new LT?
Beatty has been as good as I had hoped. He is not the problem. We need Schwartz back, will likely move Richburg to Center and pick up another Guard in the first dew rounds of next year's draft
Purely speculative on his part, as usual.
I don't read him and never will.
As far as his contract is concerned, it's not as bad as people make it out to be and they can afford to hang with him for another year if he continues to be their best option at left tackle. And at this point, there is no reason to believe he won't be (which is more an indictment on the Giants ability to find an improvement any time soon than it is a pat on the back for Beatty).
From a mechanics perspective.
Now the $$$ is another matter.
One caveat (besides him completely shitting the bed) would be if he should once again finish the year on IR.
coaching next year
Beatty isn't a problem. Neither tackle spot is. We need two legitimate guards because I'm not sold on Walton and I am assuming Richburg is more likely a long-term fixture at C.
We'll have to see what we get out of Schwartz. Maybe LG will wind up being the only major hole. But I can't see us getting rid of Beatty unless we're in a spot where we think we can get a blue chip, long-term solution in the draft. I'd just hate to create another hole if we don't need to. Especially when we don't really benefit in terms of cap space from cutting ties from what I've seen.
Beatty has three years and $26.5 million remaining on his current deal. The Giants can get out of his contract next offseason by making him a June 1 cut. Beatty is PFF's No. 7 left tackle through eight weeks, but has struggled with injuries and consistency throughout his career. His future with the Giants will be determined by how he plays over the final nine games.
Only Giants fans on BBI can still be whining about screwing up a draft pick less than a week after that draft pick had a 2 TD performance. Just shut the fuck up already. It's played out, so I'm not going to get into why this is just stupid thinking, other than to simply say,moor the one millionth time,mop end WRs are much harder to come by than top end guards. Can you imagine this WR corp without Beckham? And the OL would still suck with the immortal Martin.
Jeezus you whining cunts. How about you try supporting the guys that are on the team for once?
Picking LT outside top 10 or 12 is a complete mixed bag
His pay is about 13th or 14th. That would be avg
Sans the Detroit game he has played fine. Walton is the guy who clearly has not made it all the way back
Beatty is what he is....of all the OLmen, he should have been the last to be offside on a 4th and one.....he can't handle speed rushers one on one, and he is overpaid for what he produces.....so, if there is a tackle available to replace him, he could be cut, but it would be a huge loss in cap(-2M net, plus loss of a player)....I think his replacement will be on the team next year, and it's possible that he will be an overpriced backup next season.....the following season, I think he is definitely cut....
But as stated, he is the least of this OL's current problems....Rich is playing well out of position, Jerry and Walton are mistakes waiting to happen, and you have to hope it's an injury that is hampering Pugh's play thus far....add to that a lack of blocking from the TE position, and you have an OL that can't handle pressure when a DC sends exotic schemes against them....
We are still not sure of Schwatz's status.....he could be OK, or another Beason.....and I seriously doubt you will see the same Jennings when he returns.....how will that knee hold up to the pounding it will take?
We had two games, where we were healthy enough, where Eli could possibly have won games, if we were not so stubborn to maintain balance between rushing and passing the ball....we should have set up the run with the pass, instead of the other way around.....I think it's too late now....I don't think this PF defense has a remote chance of stopping Luck, or any good QB.....Our offense will be forced to play catch up, and defenses will concentrate on OBj to take away the long pass....there are no other burners on this team.....
That was games ago and if that doesn't tell you how stats can be skewed I don't know what else can convince people not to over rate PFF analysis.
He's not the worst OL This year like he was last year hit he's one of the most over paid players on the roster. Reese has no one else on the roster who can play LT even at the mediocre level Beatty has shown so he's safe for another season. He will be 30 next year. They better draft a LT/RT player high next year.
We don't have anyone on the current roster better than him.
Any hopes of Pugh being the answer at LT have been dampened a bit by his seeming regression at RT (maybe injury related? maybe because he's playing next to Jerry?)
The only way to upgrade outside of Pugh is to pay a FA (no way we take the cap hit and pay huge money for a LT) or
Draft a LT (we won't be picking in the top 5 and hopefully not the top 10)
Beatty is our LT. Accept reality
I hope we actually draft and upgrade it even more this off season.
Beatty hasn't been great but he's been more than serviceable.