Graziano: Giants may move on from Will Beatty at LT?

during last year's shakeup of the staff. He allegedly has a good reputation, but it's been a while since he's coached up a winner. We were hoping Pugh would be one, but he doesn't seem to have taken a second year step up.

I'm convinced that position coaches get input on acquisitions (would be a fucked up organization if he doesn't), so he isn't blameless on the players brought in.

All in all, it's been a long time since we've had a competent OL.

At this point, I'd dump the coach before I dumped Beatty.

they have already identified a few tackles that are viable options for the 1st or 2nd round.

Shwartz will take over at RG and Richburg will slide in to center. I want to draft a mauling guard next year early.

It's the interior.

In comment 11940370 ZGiants98 said:

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Shwartz will take over at RG and Richburg will slide in to center. I want to draft a mauling guard next year early.

Or move Pugh to LG and draft/sign a RT

that Schwartz will be healthy, and play much better at RG than he did at LG....

they have pugh out of position at RT he is a guard at nfl level,beatty is a problem you need your LT to be your strongest OL player when he isnt you get the poor running game the giants have had with beatty there past 3 seasons

i do agree that walton and terry are the bigger problems right now but if they draft an OT beatty might make a better OG than an OT

would probably need to be a first round pick at OT you dont get good OT in round 2 very often they need 2 OL with the first 3 picks this year and either a LB or DE depending on which is the better guy with the other pick

Move Pugh to LG. Draft a G on day two and a T/G tweener project type on day 3.

Beatty, Pugh, Richburg, Schwartz, Bulaga

That's a much better OL than what we have now.

Thought I've seen it all. Move Beatty inside? The Giants won a SB with David Diehl as a LT and another with Beatty. You don't need a star at LT. For sure, Beatty's performance last year was horrible but if you think that he hasnt improved this year big time, you're not watching the games. The Giants OL was most effective over the years when they had guards who could pull effectively and Snee and McKenzie who could pretty much move the pile on 3rd and short makeable first downs. The team is now part of the way back assuming Pugh's recent decline is injury related and Schwartz plays to expectations and Jennings can stay healthy. But, the notion of replacing Beatty, unless the team totally falls apart and we draft something like top 5-7, is typical Graziano trolling to bust chops.

Beatty was placed on IR in 2011 after suffering a detached retina. David Diehl was the LT in both our Super Bowl wins.
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Beatty and Richburg have been the only bright spots on this O-line all season. If anyone warrants getting cut, it sould be Walton or Jerry. This team continues to ignore the fact that it is the interior of this unit that is the problem.

Pugh may be beat up so I don't know what to expect from his performance. I would still love that K-Mac type mauling RT their and maybe slide him to the interior in the future to help the run gam, and provide better pass pro in the middle. Beatty is fine IMO, He's not a top LT, but he doesn't have to be. I think he plays fine, and he's not really overpaid for his performance. Getting rid of him, unless its for a trade for a high pick, it makes no sense.

I think a future OL of Beatty/Pugh/Richburg/Schwartz/(FA or Draft Pick) looks promising, and would solidify the true weakness of this OL which is the middle.The sooner Richburg moves to C, the better. I don't know where Graziano is gettng this info from, but it seems off to me.

come from a poster named "Spock". Seriously, still lamenting taking Zach Martin? Our offense would look like a fucking joke without Cruz and Beckham.

for the past few years. The way I see it, our situation can be one (or more) of these three.

1. We have selected (drafted or free agent) players who were "misses".
2. We selected players who can do the job but they are not being coached effectively.
3. We have been ignoring the problem or not truly taking it seriously.

Which is it? Is there another option?

but, with a handful of seasons with NYG, the coaches and brass know what they have. If the inconsistency continues, they could jettison Beatty if the draft produces a blue goose. His pass pro remains better than his run blocking. Bad football teams tend to pull the plug and eat dead money. Pugh is better suited to OG, imo, and potentially replacing both OTs in one offseason isn't likely, and it's uncertain NYG is bad enough to get a pick high enough to grab a blue goose. That, and the WB's dead money could buy him one more season. Multiple moving parts ...

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this sounds like he's recycling last year's notes on Beatty. He's arguably been our best OL.

Yea, lets continue to scapegoat our proven, affordable growing starting LT and replace with some unproven prospect LT out of college who needs 3 years to develop.

Cause that 2013 - 2014 LT class is working out so well.

G. Robinson starts season as a reserve then to LG in StL
J. Matthews cant beat out either of the Falcons tackles (arguably the worst in the league)
T. Lewan penciled in back up guard in Tenn
E. Fisher has been injured and had surgeries since last year for chiefs.
L. Joeckel - struggling mightily in Jax
Dj. Fluker - Only one that stands out starting in the position

find his replacement? LT is tough spot to fill even with a 1st round pick in the draft. A lot of 1st rounders do not work out either. Nobody gives a good one up if they have one. This is nonsense and speculation.

In comment 11940836 Rory said:

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Yea, lets continue to scapegoat our proven, affordable growing starting LT and replace with some unproven prospect LT out of college who needs 3 years to develop. Cause that 2013 - 2014 LT class is working out so well. G. Robinson starts season as a reserve then to LG in StL J. Matthews cant beat out either of the Falcons tackles (arguably the worst in the league) T. Lewan penciled in back up guard in Tenn E. Fisher has been injured and had surgeries since last year for chiefs. L. Joeckel - struggling mightily in Jax Dj. Fluker - Only one that stands out starting in the position

Affordable? 8 mil is not affordable. Proven. He's proven he's mediocre at best. Growing? Most players are at the top of their game at 30. He's not getting better next year. He' ll be the same mediocre up and down guy. Lastly, Most tackles done play well into to their 30s.

They most likely won't let him go because Reese is going to draft other positions and it's a lot of dead money. 2016 though if he's still mediocre 8 mil is a lot for a guy who wl never make a pro bowl

LT salaries are high - fact of the NFL.

18 LT are making over 6.9M

Then you have rookie cap LT (Joeckel, Johnson, Fisher, Robinson) who are at 5M with 100% guaranteed contract

You can continue to bitch about his salary, but that is what LT make.

Draft a LT early, and if he is not the sure thing, you will be giving him more guaranteed money than Beatty will have gotten as 1st rd players have 100% guaranteed contracts

Look how many bad RT are making 6M per year

He meets all the Giants criteria for a tackle.
1. Can't figure out where to play him.
2. Mental rehab project. Perfect to overpay for him.
3. Needs to re-earn respect.
4. Former high draft pick who never lived up to his press clippings.
5. Oh yeah, and he is smart, college team leader, good family, not from the 'Hood.