After watching the Steelers game plan on Sunday I came to a realization that our team better hope the Colts have a lot of turnovers. As bad as the Steelers have played this year they still have the playmakers to beat a high scoring team like the Colts. The Giants do not have the firepower on offense and our defense gives up too many big plays especially on third down to make me optomistic about our chances. The more I watch some of the better teams it is obvious that we are pretty much 2 years away from being a playoff team. Injuries, poor drafts and some bad coaching have put this team down in the bottom third competitively. In our division I see the Cowboys and Eagles getting better as we struggle to field a team with better talent that is in need of better coaching.
The offense could use more speed from the backups too, but that's a lesser issue. Unfortunately, the slower players happen to be special teams players and that's the other problem.
We could really benefit from a good guard or 2 on the offensive line (depending on what Schwartz gives us). Another good west coast style RB would be great as well. Learn how to blitz effectively (maybe a better DC). I don't think that's 2 years out.
Could use a few less injuries each year I suppose as well.
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And whipped (non-competitive) by the Eagles.
This Colts game could be quite telling. Another non-competitive game? Could be. I hope not. I lived through "non-competitive" in the 70s.
Teams that are worse than the Giants are Washington, Jets, Jax, Tenn, Houston, Raiders, Vikings, Bears, Rams
^^^THIS. Wise words.
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especially, on defensive side of ball.
You know folks say this and I think are DRC, Rolle, Prince, J. Williams, Demps, Thurmond, Brown even a healthy Beason or McLain really not fast enough given their positions? Don't see it.
I agree BillT. Just what speed do they need to increase? Some 320 DT? Beckham and Randle aren't fast enough? I could see the need for some strength.
Did they compete in 2007-2008? Did they compete in 2011-2012?
I think we all have learned that, with this QB and this coach, the Giants just need to get to the dance.
Wanna dump the coach or replace the QB? "Competing" will take on a different meaning.
Realistically, I wouldn't be hoping for a SB until 2016, but I expect them to "compete" every year(I'd define that as making the playoffs), I'm sure the FO does as well.Add Wilson, Schwartz,Beason from game one, a healthy Thurmond, Cruz and DRC, who's to say we wouldn't have been doing better this year?
The reality of the NFL is that it is ridiculous to say that any team is two years away from competing.
But they will...It's a week to week thing..2 games ago we were competitive..Now, we're two years away..
Please stop with this.
If Donnell does not cough up his first fumble, would it surprise anyone if the Giants drive to tie it up and maybe pull out the win?
There are very few, maybe no, consistent powerhouse teams in the NFL anymore. The Giants have to play better and recapture a winning culture. This is a new roster compared to what we have seen most of TC's tenure.
Let's see how the rest of the season plays out.
I also do not think it is going out on too much of a limb to predict that either the Eagles or Cowboys, maybe both, will fall back to Earth.
The reality of the NFL is that it is ridiculous to say that any team is two years away from competing.
There are so many here still caught in the old days. The league has been leveled almost completely. Teams go hot and cold, a penalty at the wrong time, a key injury, one draft and you go can go from the outhouse to the penthouse and back again.
Dallas is a Romo or Murray injury from heading back to the cellar from whence they came. The hot teams now may not be the hot teams come December. Take heart.
You deducted from your information that we are two years away from competing, as opposed to the opposite, which would be/should have been that anybody can compete with anybody.
I'm not even saying that is the case, but you literally drew the opposite logical conclusion based on the facts you presented.
Team should continue to get better this year and make a serious run next year. Had everyone stayed healthy this year we might have made playoffs.
Dallas' defense is more decimated then ours.
Because the Steelers have some pretty bad losses.
Christ only on BBI can we have threads hoping we give efforts like the steelers - - - - or Jets.
The Giants are 3-4, heading into a brutal schedule stretch, and are all but eliminated from serious playoff contention already in October if you realistically look at how the NFC is shaping up and what their losses have been.
Some might bitch about a couple ugly losses (though, hey, they weren't shut out yet), but the Steelers are easily in a better position than the Giants are right now. Logically, why wouldn't anyone want more of their "effort" and less of ours?
Because the Steelers have some pretty bad losses.
Christ only on BBI can we have threads hoping we give efforts like the steelers - - - - or Jets.
Well you know FMIC, the jets should be an inspiration for the giants...(courtesy of a BBI thread)
When we get some of our players back we'll be competitive.
The reality of the NFL is that it is ridiculous to say that any team is two years away from competing.
We knew the offense had talent but the question was the shitshow defense.The defense with no name guys have played well.
3 first round picks on the OL has made them really good. Factor in Murray being productive and staying healthy and you get a good team.
For us, we have a lot of holes. It depends on drafting and our free agent signings.I do believe we are couple years away to address our weakness on both sides of the ball.
Best move by Dallas was adding 3 first round picks to the OL. Now they are playing at a very high level. Factor in balance running and passing, and now that offense is efficient.
That team has impressed me a lot.
Romo hasn't been as good as Eli for a single day of his life. They have a top RB and one, count um one, great WR. Their #2 WR is on track for another 40 catch 700 yard season. Their #2 TE has 6 starts, 0 catches and their #3 TE Escobar has 7 catches in 7 games. Love their OL.
our oline is embarrassing
And most of us can name 10 right off the top.
Even in a lesser quantity/quality FA and draft this coming offseason, they will 'be competitive' in '15, with now a 2nd year OC, and some younger talent on D.
'16 should be a great year.
our oline is embarrassing
Great examples! You realize that Fowles [sic] and Rogers [sic] both lost yesterday, right?
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Eagles....Fowles had all day...so did brees and rogers...
our oline is embarrassing
Great examples! You realize that Fowles [sic] and Rogers [sic] both lost yesterday, right?
Heh. You realize bossman (sic), right?
Fewell is a question that may need to be considered, but I'm not convinced he needs to go.
I think this year is about growing with some new personnel.
They have 1 WR and a good TE who is in his 10th year and no longer top 10 at his position.
I'll take Beckham and Donnell going forward over anything PIT has at WR/TE.
Giants are not far away.
Please stop with this.
Antonio Brown, Markus Wheaton, and Martavious Bryant are a pretty promising and solid trio of WR; all have speed, can get open, and take it to the house on any given play.
Yeah Heath Miller is old, but the guy can still play.
There OL is and always has been the problem to that Offense being consistent.
They really only need one more good off season, F/A & draft to get back to playing very well.
The reality of the NFL is that it is ridiculous to say that any team is two years away from competing.
+1. Right now, there are 32 mediocre teams in the NFL. Different shades but mediocre nonetheless.
Just another way of saying "the Giants have no depth talent-wise". Remember, the Giants aren't only team to suffer injuries.
If only we were talking about 2007 and 2011.....
1. RT - go out and get the best young free agent RT that is out there. Move Pugh inside, move Richburg to OC and Schwartz slides into guard. Beatty has done a decent job coming off the injury and is in his prime. The OL will be solid inside and tackle will be good enough as well.
2. Re-sign JPP, Thurmond & anyone else that we deem worthy including Rolle for one more year at a fair price. JPP has made a comeback and is playing solid. No way the Giants let him go.
3. Cut the fat. That may include Beason who is now always hurt.
4. Draft well again. Our 2013 and 2014 drafts don't look too bad so lets keep it up with another solid draft.
Lets hope TE Donnell develops into that 70-850-10 TD type of TE or better cause I think he can. Lets also hope the JPP of TE's (Robinson) also comes on and finally develops in year four. A two TE set with speed and athleticism could make our offense unique, especially if both develop their blocking.
Cruz must come back healthy and stay healthy. Jennings has one more year in him but Williams has to be the horse next year cause he is a bruiser.
On defense, we clearly need a safety and youth at LB. I suspect we'll target both in free agency. But lets hope Brown comes on and shows he can play in a pinch if needed to start. He just lacks top end speed to be a full time starter.
Well, with some good off-season moves, cuts, re-signings, draft and yes LUCK we'll compete for the playoffs next year.
1. RT - go out and get the best young free agent RT that is out there. Move Pugh inside, move Richburg to OC and Schwartz slides into guard. Beatty has done a decent job coming off the injury and is in his prime. The OL will be solid inside and tackle will be good enough as well.
2. Re-sign JPP, Thurmond & anyone else that we deem worthy including Rolle for one more year at a fair price. JPP has made a comeback and is playing solid. No way the Giants let him go.
3. Cut the fat. That may include Beason who is now always hurt.
4. Draft well again. Our 2013 and 2014 drafts don't look too bad so lets keep it up with another solid draft.
Lets hope TE Donnell develops into that 70-850-10 TD type of TE or better cause I think he can. Lets also hope the JPP of TE's (Robinson) also comes on and finally develops in year four. A two TE set with speed and athleticism could make our offense unique, especially if both develop their blocking.
Cruz must come back healthy and stay healthy. Jennings has one more year in him but Williams has to be the horse next year cause he is a bruiser.
On defense, we clearly need a safety and youth at LB. I suspect we'll target both in free agency. But lets hope Brown comes on and shows he can play in a pinch if needed to start. He just lacks top end speed to be a full time starter.
Well, with some good off-season moves, cuts, re-signings, draft and yes LUCK we'll compete for the playoffs next year.
We very well could be solid with that OL. However, you're moving 2 guys to new positions and adding a new guy in. Also, who is a FA that's solid? Is there another Kareem M. type guy or we can have success with?
Of course we can let JPP go. If he wants top elite level DE money, then we say thanks but no thanks. Would you break the bank for JPP?
You're very optimistic. I think we are still 2 years away, assuming we can add good FA and draft well. I don't think this is a talented team and needs a face lift on both sides of the ball.
I think neither is likely but are possible. My belief is Reese will stupidly assume that getting Schwartz back healthy will deem the OL 'fixed' and continue to piss draft picks away on useless positions like CB and WR again for this team.