After watching the Steelers game plan on Sunday I came to a realization that our team better hope the Colts have a lot of turnovers. As bad as the Steelers have played this year they still have the playmakers to beat a high scoring team like the Colts. The Giants do not have the firepower on offense and our defense gives up too many big plays especially on third down to make me optomistic about our chances. The more I watch some of the better teams it is obvious that we are pretty much 2 years away from being a playoff team. Injuries, poor drafts and some bad coaching have put this team down in the bottom third competitively. In our division I see the Cowboys and Eagles getting better as we struggle to field a team with better talent that is in need of better coaching.
Team should continue to get better this year and make a serious run next year. Had everyone stayed healthy this year we might have made playoffs.
The reality of the NFL is that it is ridiculous to say that any team is two years away from competing.
Please stop with this.
Please stop with this.
The NFL can be week to week at times. Did anybody think we had a chance after the 2nd Redskins loss in 2011? No way. Not saying they're gonna win it all this year, but things change so much from week to week that it's impossible to predict what will happen 2 years from now.
Did they compete in 2007-2008? Did they compete in 2011-2012?
I think we all have learned that, with this QB and this coach, the Giants just need to get to the dance.
Wanna dump the coach or replace the QB? "Competing" will take on a different meaning.
If they're two more seasons away from the playoffs in theory, they're probably farther than that in terms of any type [moderately] successful run in reality.
More importantly, I realize things don't look great, but there is no reason to give up on this year AND next year.
I think we need 2 OL, 1 TE, 1 WR on Offense
Defense, 1-2 DL, 1 LB, 1 S
And most of all we need playmakers, guys that can break games open ( ala Cruz, Nicks, Tuck, Stra, Osi, Eli, JPP, Bradshaw ).
I don't see players like that on this team and some are not what they once were either. They could come from the roster, but I don't see where for TE/DE/LB/OL
You know folks say this and I think are DRC, Rolle, Prince, J. Williams, Demps, Thurmond, Brown even a healthy Beason or McLain really not fast enough given their positions? Don't see it.
So Donnell, Moore, Kennard, and Richburg don't have any possibility of being those players.
The offense could use more speed from the backups too, but that's a lesser issue. Unfortunately, the slower players happen to be special teams players and that's the other problem.
We could really benefit from a good guard or 2 on the offensive line (depending on what Schwartz gives us). Another good west coast style RB would be great as well. Learn how to blitz effectively (maybe a better DC). I don't think that's 2 years out.
Could use a few less injuries each year I suppose as well.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/downs/sort/thirdDownConvPct/position/defense - ( New Window )
And whipped (non-competitive) by the Eagles.
This Colts game could be quite telling. Another non-competitive game? Could be. I hope not. I lived through "non-competitive" in the 70s.
Teams that are worse than the Giants are Washington, Jets, Jax, Tenn, Houston, Raiders, Vikings, Bears, Rams
^^^THIS. Wise words.
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especially, on defensive side of ball.
You know folks say this and I think are DRC, Rolle, Prince, J. Williams, Demps, Thurmond, Brown even a healthy Beason or McLain really not fast enough given their positions? Don't see it.
I agree BillT. Just what speed do they need to increase? Some 320 DT? Beckham and Randle aren't fast enough? I could see the need for some strength.
Did they compete in 2007-2008? Did they compete in 2011-2012?
I think we all have learned that, with this QB and this coach, the Giants just need to get to the dance.
Wanna dump the coach or replace the QB? "Competing" will take on a different meaning.
Realistically, I wouldn't be hoping for a SB until 2016, but I expect them to "compete" every year(I'd define that as making the playoffs), I'm sure the FO does as well.Add Wilson, Schwartz,Beason from game one, a healthy Thurmond, Cruz and DRC, who's to say we wouldn't have been doing better this year?
The reality of the NFL is that it is ridiculous to say that any team is two years away from competing.
But they will...It's a week to week thing..2 games ago we were competitive..Now, we're two years away..
Please stop with this.
If Donnell does not cough up his first fumble, would it surprise anyone if the Giants drive to tie it up and maybe pull out the win?
There are very few, maybe no, consistent powerhouse teams in the NFL anymore. The Giants have to play better and recapture a winning culture. This is a new roster compared to what we have seen most of TC's tenure.
Let's see how the rest of the season plays out.
I also do not think it is going out on too much of a limb to predict that either the Eagles or Cowboys, maybe both, will fall back to Earth.
The reality of the NFL is that it is ridiculous to say that any team is two years away from competing.
There are so many here still caught in the old days. The league has been leveled almost completely. Teams go hot and cold, a penalty at the wrong time, a key injury, one draft and you go can go from the outhouse to the penthouse and back again.
Dallas is a Romo or Murray injury from heading back to the cellar from whence they came. The hot teams now may not be the hot teams come December. Take heart.
You deducted from your information that we are two years away from competing, as opposed to the opposite, which would be/should have been that anybody can compete with anybody.
I'm not even saying that is the case, but you literally drew the opposite logical conclusion based on the facts you presented.
Team should continue to get better this year and make a serious run next year. Had everyone stayed healthy this year we might have made playoffs.
Dallas' defense is more decimated then ours.
Because the Steelers have some pretty bad losses.
Christ only on BBI can we have threads hoping we give efforts like the steelers - - - - or Jets.
The Giants are 3-4, heading into a brutal schedule stretch, and are all but eliminated from serious playoff contention already in October if you realistically look at how the NFC is shaping up and what their losses have been.
Some might bitch about a couple ugly losses (though, hey, they weren't shut out yet), but the Steelers are easily in a better position than the Giants are right now. Logically, why wouldn't anyone want more of their "effort" and less of ours?
Because the Steelers have some pretty bad losses.
Christ only on BBI can we have threads hoping we give efforts like the steelers - - - - or Jets.
Well you know FMIC, the jets should be an inspiration for the giants...(courtesy of a BBI thread)
When we get some of our players back we'll be competitive.
The reality of the NFL is that it is ridiculous to say that any team is two years away from competing.
We knew the offense had talent but the question was the shitshow defense.The defense with no name guys have played well.
3 first round picks on the OL has made them really good. Factor in Murray being productive and staying healthy and you get a good team.
For us, we have a lot of holes. It depends on drafting and our free agent signings.I do believe we are couple years away to address our weakness on both sides of the ball.
Best move by Dallas was adding 3 first round picks to the OL. Now they are playing at a very high level. Factor in balance running and passing, and now that offense is efficient.
That team has impressed me a lot.
Romo hasn't been as good as Eli for a single day of his life. They have a top RB and one, count um one, great WR. Their #2 WR is on track for another 40 catch 700 yard season. Their #2 TE has 6 starts, 0 catches and their #3 TE Escobar has 7 catches in 7 games. Love their OL.
our oline is embarrassing
And most of us can name 10 right off the top.
Even in a lesser quantity/quality FA and draft this coming offseason, they will 'be competitive' in '15, with now a 2nd year OC, and some younger talent on D.
'16 should be a great year.
our oline is embarrassing
Great examples! You realize that Fowles [sic] and Rogers [sic] both lost yesterday, right?